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  • Yes the government did waste the time of the house

    From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Monday, November 21, 2016 22:42:11
    Andrew Geddis is always worth reading: http://pundit.co.nz/content/post-tpp-confusion-or-will-ms-miller-come-to-wellington

    More wasted time from National - with the conclusion entirely
    consistent with objections from the Oopposition when the bill was
    pushed through . . .

    Key is just blustering to try and avoid the reality that he has failed
    again - I suspect the talk of tax cuts is a similar distraction.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Liberty@3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Monday, November 21, 2016 23:26:53
    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 22:42:11 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    Andrew Geddis is always worth reading: >http://pundit.co.nz/content/post-tpp-confusion-or-will-ms-miller-come-to-wellington

    More wasted time from National - with the conclusion entirely
    consistent with objections from the Oopposition when the bill was
    pushed through . . .

    Key is just blustering to try and avoid the reality that he has failed
    again - I suspect the talk of tax cuts is a similar distraction.

    More crap from the resident dichead.
    The only way for the country to prosper is to trade.
    A free trade deal is the only way that is going to happen.
    If trump wants to live in 1950 time warp good on him.
    Meanwhile free trade with more enlighten countries
    can only be a good thing.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)
  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, November 22, 2016 00:04:39
    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 23:26:53 +1300, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 22:42:11 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    Andrew Geddis is always worth reading: >>http://pundit.co.nz/content/post-tpp-confusion-or-will-ms-miller-come-to-wellington

    More wasted time from National - with the conclusion entirely
    consistent with objections from the Oopposition when the bill was
    pushed through . . .

    Key is just blustering to try and avoid the reality that he has failed >>again - I suspect the talk of tax cuts is a similar distraction.

    More crap from the resident dichead.
    OK, so we can expect crap from you - congratulationson your honesty.

    The only way for the country to prosper is to trade.
    Agreed

    A free trade deal is the only way that is going to happen.
    Well we have been doing some trade without free trade agreements, but
    I agree that they can help.

    If trump wants to live in 1950 time warp good on him.
    It depends on what decisions he makes I guess

    Meanwhile free trade with more enlighten countries
    can only be a good thing.
    What free trade deal?
    Did you read the Andrew Geddis article? - we made a number of
    concessions to the USA which are only of value if they agree to sign
    the TPPA. Since that now looks very unlikely we won't get value for
    those concessions on things like extending the term for copyright from
    50 to 70 years - why spend our negotiating capital without the
    benefits? (And extending copyright does cost us - without the USA
    there is no benefit - and extending copyright doesn't have much to do
    with free trade'! ).

    So the time passing a bill in the house was a total waste - which was
    the point I was making.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)
  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, November 22, 2016 01:06:00
    On 22/11/2016 12:04 a.m., Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 23:26:53 +1300, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 22:42:11 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>
    Andrew Geddis is always worth reading:
    http://pundit.co.nz/content/post-tpp-confusion-or-will-ms-miller-come-to-wellington

    More wasted time from National - with the conclusion entirely
    consistent with objections from the Oopposition when the bill was
    pushed through . . .

    Key is just blustering to try and avoid the reality that he has failed
    again - I suspect the talk of tax cuts is a similar distraction.

    More crap from the resident dichead.
    OK, so we can expect crap from you - congratulationson your honesty.

    The only way for the country to prosper is to trade.
    Agreed

    A free trade deal is the only way that is going to happen.
    Well we have been doing some trade without free trade agreements, but
    I agree that they can help.

    If trump wants to live in 1950 time warp good on him.
    It depends on what decisions he makes I guess

    Meanwhile free trade with more enlighten countries
    can only be a good thing.
    What free trade deal?
    Did you read the Andrew Geddis article? - we made a number of
    concessions to the USA which are only of value if they agree to sign
    the TPPA. Since that now looks very unlikely we won't get value for
    those concessions on things like extending the term for copyright from
    50 to 70 years - why spend our negotiating capital without the
    benefits? (And extending copyright does cost us - without the USA
    there is no benefit - and extending copyright doesn't have much to do
    with free trade'! ).

    So the time passing a bill in the house was a total waste - which was
    the point I was making.

    Rich. The pundit, like you is just another Labour party spin doctor. It
    is slightly better balanced in it's rants than you are and certainly
    seems to share your "Labour good, National bad' mantra.

    Pooh

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)
  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to Liberty on Tuesday, November 22, 2016 01:02:07
    On 21/11/2016 11:26 p.m., Liberty wrote:
    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 22:42:11 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    Andrew Geddis is always worth reading:
    http://pundit.co.nz/content/post-tpp-confusion-or-will-ms-miller-come-to-wellington

    More wasted time from National - with the conclusion entirely
    consistent with objections from the Oopposition when the bill was
    pushed through . . .

    Key is just blustering to try and avoid the reality that he has failed
    again - I suspect the talk of tax cuts is a similar distraction.

    More crap from the resident dichead.
    The only way for the country to prosper is to trade.
    A free trade deal is the only way that is going to happen.
    If trump wants to live in 1950 time warp good on him.
    Meanwhile free trade with more enlighten countries
    can only be a good thing.

    Rich the troll is just pissed because the countries doing better n'
    better n' the stupid marxist muppet is embarrassed about the despicable performance from the left in parliament.

    Pooh

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)
  • From Tony @3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Monday, November 21, 2016 13:35:12
    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 23:26:53 +1300, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 22:42:11 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>
    Andrew Geddis is always worth reading: >>>http://pundit.co.nz/content/post-tpp-confusion-or-will-ms-miller-come-to-wellington

    More wasted time from National - with the conclusion entirely
    consistent with objections from the Oopposition when the bill was
    pushed through . . .

    Key is just blustering to try and avoid the reality that he has failed >>>again - I suspect the talk of tax cuts is a similar distraction.

    More crap from the resident dichead.
    OK, so we can expect crap from you - congratulationson your honesty.

    The only way for the country to prosper is to trade.
    Agreed

    A free trade deal is the only way that is going to happen.
    Well we have been doing some trade without free trade agreements, but
    I agree that they can help.

    If trump wants to live in 1950 time warp good on him.
    It depends on what decisions he makes I guess

    Meanwhile free trade with more enlighten countries
    can only be a good thing.
    What free trade deal?
    Did you read the Andrew Geddis article? - we made a number of
    concessions to the USA which are only of value if they agree to sign
    the TPPA. Since that now looks very unlikely we won't get value for
    those concessions on things like extending the term for copyright from
    50 to 70 years - why spend our negotiating capital without the
    benefits? (And extending copyright does cost us - without the USA
    there is no benefit - and extending copyright doesn't have much to do
    with free trade'! ).

    So the time passing a bill in the house was a total waste - which was
    the point I was making.
    A point that you completely failed to make.
    The TPPA is of value even without the USA, less value perhaps but value nonetheless. Trade afreements don't "help", they are absulutely essential to countries like this one.
    Tony

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)
  • From Liberty@3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Tuesday, November 22, 2016 11:43:55
    On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 00:04:39 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:




    So the time passing a bill in the house was a total waste - which was
    the point I was making.

    I would be more concerned about the 3 hr wasted a week by the coalition of losers.
    During question time. Most of the time they are incapable of answering a question.
    So they cop out by asking " does the minister stand by his statements"
    The spokesperson on fish wives will then ask some crap question on some cry of
    the week story that's been dug up from the Standard.
    Gayboy who is right out of his depth with finance will dig himself a deeper hole.
    NZ first will have another bitch about immigration before waddling of for another
    Committee meeting at the Green parrot.
    Miss Piggy from the Green will rant on about compulsory sugar taxs.
    They really are appalling dull.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)