• Another knee-jerk grab for a headline

    From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Sunday, November 20, 2016 23:06:35
    https://www.facebook.com/Channel4NewsDemocracy/videos/1118263898251552/

    Since cell phone towers were among the first to go in the recent
    earthquakes, this will not be as useful as keeping National Radiowell
    funded - but what else was Key trying to distract from?

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  • From HitAnyKey@3:770/3 to All on Sunday, November 20, 2016 10:24:27
    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 23:06:35 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    https://www.facebook.com/Channel4NewsDemocracy/videos/1118263898251552/

    Since cell phone towers were among the first to go in the recent
    earthquakes, this will not be as useful as keeping National Radiowell
    funded - but what else was Key trying to distract from?

    What's the connection between that URL and cellphone towers, I wonder?

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to HitAnyKey on Monday, November 21, 2016 00:35:05
    On 20/11/2016 11:24 p.m., HitAnyKey wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 23:06:35 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    https://www.facebook.com/Channel4NewsDemocracy/videos/1118263898251552/

    Since cell phone towers were among the first to go in the recent
    earthquakes, this will not be as useful as keeping National Radiowell
    funded - but what else was Key trying to distract from?

    What's the connection between that URL and cellphone towers, I wonder?

    As is normal for Rich and his posts. Absolutely NOTHING. Bit like what
    fills the space between the twits ears.

    Though he might be trying to distract from several other threads where
    he's making a total idiot of himself :)

    Pooh

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to HitAnyKey on Sunday, November 20, 2016 10:45:41
    On Sunday, 20 November 2016 23:25:02 UTC+13, HitAnyKey wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 23:06:35 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    https://www.facebook.com/Channel4NewsDemocracy/videos/1118263898251552/

    Since cell phone towers were among the first to go in the recent earthquakes, this will not be as useful as keeping National Radiowell funded - but what else was Key trying to distract from?

    What's the connection between that URL and cellphone towers, I wonder?

    Dickbot's on hard times. He can't find something local to whinge about, so drags in something random from overseas and makes a fairly pathetic attempt to pin it on Key. Clearly Dickbot is demented and rapidly falling to pieces, as evidenced by this
    bizarre cellphone tower reference.

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  • From george152@3:770/3 to HitAnyKey on Monday, November 21, 2016 08:33:11
    On 11/20/2016 11:24 PM, HitAnyKey wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 23:06:35 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    https://www.facebook.com/Channel4NewsDemocracy/videos/1118263898251552/

    Since cell phone towers were among the first to go in the recent
    earthquakes, this will not be as useful as keeping National Radiowell
    funded - but what else was Key trying to distract from?

    What's the connection between that URL and cellphone towers, I wonder?

    Another pitiful attempt by a bot to insult a popular PM....

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to nobody@nowhere.com on Monday, November 21, 2016 08:33:38
    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 10:24:27 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 23:06:35 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    https://www.facebook.com/Channel4NewsDemocracy/videos/1118263898251552/

    Since cell phone towers were among the first to go in the recent
    earthquakes, this will not be as useful as keeping National Radiowell
    funded - but what else was Key trying to distract from?

    What's the connection between that URL and cellphone towers, I wonder?
    Sorry, that was for the previous post
    See http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/86647304/national-tsunami-warning-system-being-announced-shortly-john-key

    Meanwhile, the monitoring agency remains short funded . . .

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  • From HitAnyKey@3:770/3 to All on Sunday, November 20, 2016 20:39:37
    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 08:33:38 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 10:24:27 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 23:06:35 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    https://www.facebook.com/Channel4NewsDemocracy/
    videos/1118263898251552/

    Since cell phone towers were among the first to go in the recent
    earthquakes, this will not be as useful as keeping National Radiowell
    funded - but what else was Key trying to distract from?

    What's the connection between that URL and cellphone towers, I wonder?
    Sorry, that was for the previous post See http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/86647304/national-tsunami-warning-
    system-being-announced-shortly-john-key

    Meanwhile, the monitoring agency remains short funded . . .

    I don't recall that cellphone towers in Wellington were disabled by the earthquake near Kaikoura. But I do recall that the tsunami warming
    applied to many places beyond Kaikoura, including Wellington, even to
    some that didn't feel the earthquake itself.

    Your posit that cellphone warnings and radio are mutually exclusive alternatives is therefore nonsense - classic false dilemma. Cellphones
    and radio are not an "either-or", but an "and".

    The seventh deadly sin is said to be to see evil where none exists. Your habitual anti-government hysteria causes you to fall into that pit.
    Frequently.

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  • From Tony @3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Sunday, November 20, 2016 16:15:26
    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 10:24:27 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 23:06:35 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    https://www.facebook.com/Channel4NewsDemocracy/videos/1118263898251552/

    Since cell phone towers were among the first to go in the recent
    earthquakes, this will not be as useful as keeping National Radiowell
    funded - but what else was Key trying to distract from?

    What's the connection between that URL and cellphone towers, I wonder? >Sorry, that was for the previous post
    See >http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/86647304/national-tsunami-warning-system-being-announced-shortly-john-key

    Meanwhile, the monitoring agency remains short funded . . .
    There is no reason to believe that there will not be a move/requirement to strengthen cell towers against earthquakes as there is in California. Not that there was a problem this time in Wellington.
    There is no reason to believe that there will be no increase in funding.
    Your assumption that these will not happen is predictable.
    The plan is yet to be announced and I bet both of those will be considered and hopefully funded.
    There are disadvantages in radio as the only solution, many radio transmitters do not have back up power; indeed the cost would be prohibitive. Cell phone towers usually do have battery backup because the technology does not need the same amountt of power and they are nearly always more readily accessible. Relying on radio is not a good thing at all, if in doubt ask a qualified communications engineer.


    Tony

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  • From HitAnyKey@3:770/3 to HitAnyKey on Sunday, November 20, 2016 22:20:56
    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 20:39:37 +0000, HitAnyKey wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 08:33:38 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 10:24:27 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey
    <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 23:06:35 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    https://www.facebook.com/Channel4NewsDemocracy/
    videos/1118263898251552/

    Since cell phone towers were among the first to go in the recent
    earthquakes, this will not be as useful as keeping National Radiowell
    funded - but what else was Key trying to distract from?

    What's the connection between that URL and cellphone towers, I wonder?
    Sorry, that was for the previous post See
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/86647304/national-tsunami-warning-
    system-being-announced-shortly-john-key

    Meanwhile, the monitoring agency remains short funded . . .

    I don't recall that cellphone towers in Wellington were disabled by the earthquake near Kaikoura. But I do recall that the tsunami warming
    applied to many places beyond Kaikoura, including Wellington, even to
    some that didn't feel the earthquake itself.

    Your posit that cellphone warnings and radio are mutually exclusive alternatives is therefore nonsense - classic false dilemma. Cellphones
    and radio are not an "either-or", but an "and".

    The seventh deadly sin is said to be to see evil where none exists.
    Your habitual anti-government hysteria causes you to fall into that pit. Frequently.

    For "seventh", read "eighth". For "warming", read "warning".

    I should be more careful. As should you.

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to HitAnyKey on Monday, November 21, 2016 16:20:35
    On 21/11/2016 11:20 a.m., HitAnyKey wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 20:39:37 +0000, HitAnyKey wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 08:33:38 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 10:24:27 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey
    <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 23:06:35 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    https://www.facebook.com/Channel4NewsDemocracy/
    videos/1118263898251552/

    Since cell phone towers were among the first to go in the recent
    earthquakes, this will not be as useful as keeping National Radiowell >>>>> funded - but what else was Key trying to distract from?

    What's the connection between that URL and cellphone towers, I wonder?
    Sorry, that was for the previous post See
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/86647304/national-tsunami-warning-
    system-being-announced-shortly-john-key

    Meanwhile, the monitoring agency remains short funded . . .

    I don't recall that cellphone towers in Wellington were disabled by the
    earthquake near Kaikoura. But I do recall that the tsunami warming
    applied to many places beyond Kaikoura, including Wellington, even to
    some that didn't feel the earthquake itself.

    Your posit that cellphone warnings and radio are mutually exclusive
    alternatives is therefore nonsense - classic false dilemma. Cellphones
    and radio are not an "either-or", but an "and".

    The seventh deadly sin is said to be to see evil where none exists.
    Your habitual anti-government hysteria causes you to fall into that pit.
    Frequently.

    For "seventh", read "eighth". For "warming", read "warning".

    I should be more careful. As should you.

    For "frequently" read "constantly"? ;)

    Pooh

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to nobody@nowhere.com on Monday, November 21, 2016 17:15:18
    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 20:39:37 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 08:33:38 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 10:24:27 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 23:06:35 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    https://www.facebook.com/Channel4NewsDemocracy/
    videos/1118263898251552/

    Since cell phone towers were among the first to go in the recent
    earthquakes, this will not be as useful as keeping National Radiowell
    funded - but what else was Key trying to distract from?

    What's the connection between that URL and cellphone towers, I wonder?
    Sorry, that was for the previous post See
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/86647304/national-tsunami-warning- >system-being-announced-shortly-john-key

    Meanwhile, the monitoring agency remains short funded . . .

    I don't recall that cellphone towers in Wellington were disabled by the >earthquake near Kaikoura. But I do recall that the tsunami warming
    applied to many places beyond Kaikoura, including Wellington, even to
    some that didn't feel the earthquake itself.

    Perhaps you are a little Wellington fixated - I understand the towers
    near the centre of the quake did go down - they are the people most
    affected. There were reports of people whose only copntact witht he
    outside world was thrugh radio - and Radio NZ did better than
    commercial radio that morning.


    Your posit that cellphone warnings and radio are mutually exclusive >alternatives is therefore nonsense - classic false dilemma. Cellphones
    and radio are not an "either-or", but an "and".
    I don't see them as mutually exclusive - it is a matter of priorities.
    I don;t think we disagree - it was John Key that was looking to only
    put money into a system to send text messages . . .

    The seventh deadly sin is said to be to see evil where none exists. Your >habitual anti-government hysteria causes you to fall into that pit. >Frequently.

    I did not see evil - merely incompetence. You are over-reacting.


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  • From HitAnyKey@3:770/3 to All on Monday, November 21, 2016 05:31:54
    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 17:15:18 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 20:39:37 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 08:33:38 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 10:24:27 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey
    <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 23:06:35 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    https://www.facebook.com/Channel4NewsDemocracy/ >>videos/1118263898251552/

    Since cell phone towers were among the first to go in the recent
    earthquakes, this will not be as useful as keeping National
    Radiowell funded - but what else was Key trying to distract from?

    What's the connection between that URL and cellphone towers, I wonder?
    Sorry, that was for the previous post See
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/86647304/national-tsunami-warning- >>system-being-announced-shortly-john-key

    Meanwhile, the monitoring agency remains short funded . . .

    I don't recall that cellphone towers in Wellington were disabled by the >>earthquake near Kaikoura. But I do recall that the tsunami warming
    applied to many places beyond Kaikoura, including Wellington, even to
    some that didn't feel the earthquake itself.

    Perhaps you are a little Wellington fixated - I understand the towers
    near the centre of the quake did go down - they are the people most
    affected. There were reports of people whose only copntact witht he
    outside world was thrugh radio - and Radio NZ did better than commercial radio that morning.


    Your posit that cellphone warnings and radio are mutually exclusive >>alternatives is therefore nonsense - classic false dilemma. Cellphones
    and radio are not an "either-or", but an "and".
    I don't see them as mutually exclusive - it is a matter of priorities.
    I don;t think we disagree - it was John Key that was looking to only put money into a system to send text messages . . .

    The seventh deadly sin is said to be to see evil where none exists.
    Your habitual anti-government hysteria causes you to fall into that pit. >>Frequently.

    I did not see evil - merely incompetence. You are over-reacting.


    ... and, not unexpectedly, you've completely missed my point.

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Sunday, November 20, 2016 23:26:28
    On Monday, 21 November 2016 17:15:21 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 20:39:37 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 08:33:38 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 10:24:27 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey <nobody@nowhere.com> >> wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 23:06:35 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    https://www.facebook.com/Channel4NewsDemocracy/ >videos/1118263898251552/

    Since cell phone towers were among the first to go in the recent
    earthquakes, this will not be as useful as keeping National Radiowell >>>> funded - but what else was Key trying to distract from?

    What's the connection between that URL and cellphone towers, I wonder?
    Sorry, that was for the previous post See
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/86647304/national-tsunami-warning- >system-being-announced-shortly-john-key

    Meanwhile, the monitoring agency remains short funded . . .

    I don't recall that cellphone towers in Wellington were disabled by the >earthquake near Kaikoura. But I do recall that the tsunami warming
    applied to many places beyond Kaikoura, including Wellington, even to
    some that didn't feel the earthquake itself.

    Perhaps you are a little Wellington fixated - I understand the towers

    There you go again with the "I understand..." bullshit, Dickbot. It really is obvious that when you start with "I understand..." that you are just making shit up.

    near the centre of the quake did go down - they are the people most
    affected. There were reports of people whose only copntact witht he
    outside world was thrugh radio - and Radio NZ did better than
    commercial radio that morning.


    Your posit that cellphone warnings and radio are mutually exclusive >alternatives is therefore nonsense - classic false dilemma. Cellphones
    and radio are not an "either-or", but an "and".
    I don't see them as mutually exclusive - it is a matter of priorities.
    I don;t think we disagree - it was John Key that was looking to only
    put money into a system to send text messages . . .

    The seventh deadly sin is said to be to see evil where none exists. Your >habitual anti-government hysteria causes you to fall into that pit. >Frequently.

    I did not see evil - merely incompetence. You are over-reacting.


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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to nobody@nowhere.com on Monday, November 21, 2016 22:28:45
    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 05:31:54 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 17:15:18 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 20:39:37 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 08:33:38 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 10:24:27 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey
    <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 23:06:35 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    https://www.facebook.com/Channel4NewsDemocracy/ >>>videos/1118263898251552/

    Since cell phone towers were among the first to go in the recent
    earthquakes, this will not be as useful as keeping National
    Radiowell funded - but what else was Key trying to distract from?

    What's the connection between that URL and cellphone towers, I wonder? >>>> Sorry, that was for the previous post See
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/86647304/national-tsunami-warning- >>>system-being-announced-shortly-john-key

    Meanwhile, the monitoring agency remains short funded . . .

    I don't recall that cellphone towers in Wellington were disabled by the >>>earthquake near Kaikoura. But I do recall that the tsunami warming >>>applied to many places beyond Kaikoura, including Wellington, even to >>>some that didn't feel the earthquake itself.

    Perhaps you are a little Wellington fixated - I understand the towers
    near the centre of the quake did go down - they are the people most
    affected. There were reports of people whose only copntact witht he
    outside world was thrugh radio - and Radio NZ did better than commercial
    radio that morning.


    Your posit that cellphone warnings and radio are mutually exclusive >>>alternatives is therefore nonsense - classic false dilemma. Cellphones >>>and radio are not an "either-or", but an "and".
    I don't see them as mutually exclusive - it is a matter of priorities.
    I don;t think we disagree - it was John Key that was looking to only put
    money into a system to send text messages . . .

    The seventh deadly sin is said to be to see evil where none exists.
    Your habitual anti-government hysteria causes you to fall into that pit. >>>Frequently.

    I did not see evil - merely incompetence. You are over-reacting.


    ... and, not unexpectedly, you've completely missed my point.

    Was there a point you were trying to make?

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to HitAnyKey on Tuesday, November 22, 2016 01:12:46
    On 22/11/2016 12:30 a.m., HitAnyKey wrote:
    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 22:28:45 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 05:31:54 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 17:15:18 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 20:39:37 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey
    <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 08:33:38 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 10:24:27 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey
    <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 23:06:35 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    https://www.facebook.com/Channel4NewsDemocracy/
    videos/1118263898251552/

    Since cell phone towers were among the first to go in the recent >>>>>>>> earthquakes, this will not be as useful as keeping National
    Radiowell funded - but what else was Key trying to distract from? >>>>>>>
    What's the connection between that URL and cellphone towers, I
    wonder?
    Sorry, that was for the previous post See
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/86647304/national-tsunami-warning-
    system-being-announced-shortly-john-key

    Meanwhile, the monitoring agency remains short funded . . .

    I don't recall that cellphone towers in Wellington were disabled by
    the earthquake near Kaikoura. But I do recall that the tsunami
    warming applied to many places beyond Kaikoura, including Wellington, >>>>> even to some that didn't feel the earthquake itself.

    Perhaps you are a little Wellington fixated - I understand the towers
    near the centre of the quake did go down - they are the people most
    affected. There were reports of people whose only copntact witht he
    outside world was thrugh radio - and Radio NZ did better than
    commercial radio that morning.


    Your posit that cellphone warnings and radio are mutually exclusive
    alternatives is therefore nonsense - classic false dilemma.
    Cellphones and radio are not an "either-or", but an "and".
    I don't see them as mutually exclusive - it is a matter of priorities. >>>> I don;t think we disagree - it was John Key that was looking to only
    put money into a system to send text messages . . .

    The seventh deadly sin is said to be to see evil where none exists.
    Your habitual anti-government hysteria causes you to fall into that
    pit.
    Frequently.

    I did not see evil - merely incompetence. You are over-reacting.


    ... and, not unexpectedly, you've completely missed my point.

    Was there a point you were trying to make?

    What an extraordinarily stupid thing to say.


    It's Rich. A daily failing by the troll.

    Pooh

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, November 22, 2016 01:11:45
    On 21/11/2016 5:15 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 20:39:37 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 08:33:38 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 10:24:27 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey <nobody@nowhere.com> >>> wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 23:06:35 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    https://www.facebook.com/Channel4NewsDemocracy/
    videos/1118263898251552/

    Since cell phone towers were among the first to go in the recent
    earthquakes, this will not be as useful as keeping National Radiowell >>>>> funded - but what else was Key trying to distract from?

    What's the connection between that URL and cellphone towers, I wonder?
    Sorry, that was for the previous post See
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/86647304/national-tsunami-warning-
    system-being-announced-shortly-john-key

    Meanwhile, the monitoring agency remains short funded . . .

    I don't recall that cellphone towers in Wellington were disabled by the
    earthquake near Kaikoura. But I do recall that the tsunami warming
    applied to many places beyond Kaikoura, including Wellington, even to
    some that didn't feel the earthquake itself.

    Perhaps you are a little Wellington fixated - I understand the towers
    near the centre of the quake did go down - they are the people most
    affected. There were reports of people whose only copntact witht he
    outside world was thrugh radio - and Radio NZ did better than
    commercial radio that morning.


    Bullshit!


    Your posit that cellphone warnings and radio are mutually exclusive
    alternatives is therefore nonsense - classic false dilemma. Cellphones
    and radio are not an "either-or", but an "and".
    I don't see them as mutually exclusive - it is a matter of priorities.
    I don;t think we disagree - it was John Key that was looking to only
    put money into a system to send text messages . . .


    Wrong! The government is going to instigate a system that will advise
    all those with cell phones tsunami warnings in conjunction with warnings already in place. Why don't you try reading the whole article instead of
    just reading the headline. You might find yourself better informed
    though with your comprehension skills that's debatable.

    The seventh deadly sin is said to be to see evil where none exists. Your
    habitual anti-government hysteria causes you to fall into that pit.
    Frequently.

    I did not see evil - merely incompetence. You are over-reacting.
    That's only because of your lack of comprehension skills Rich. Sad to
    see it now includes whatever your commissars give you to post.

    Pooh

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  • From HitAnyKey@3:770/3 to All on Monday, November 21, 2016 11:30:08
    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 22:28:45 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 05:31:54 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 17:15:18 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 20:39:37 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey
    <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 08:33:38 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 10:24:27 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey
    <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 23:06:35 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    https://www.facebook.com/Channel4NewsDemocracy/ >>>>videos/1118263898251552/

    Since cell phone towers were among the first to go in the recent >>>>>>> earthquakes, this will not be as useful as keeping National
    Radiowell funded - but what else was Key trying to distract from? >>>>>>
    What's the connection between that URL and cellphone towers, I >>>>>>wonder?
    Sorry, that was for the previous post See
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/86647304/national-tsunami-warning- >>>>system-being-announced-shortly-john-key

    Meanwhile, the monitoring agency remains short funded . . .

    I don't recall that cellphone towers in Wellington were disabled by
    the earthquake near Kaikoura. But I do recall that the tsunami
    warming applied to many places beyond Kaikoura, including Wellington, >>>>even to some that didn't feel the earthquake itself.

    Perhaps you are a little Wellington fixated - I understand the towers
    near the centre of the quake did go down - they are the people most
    affected. There were reports of people whose only copntact witht he
    outside world was thrugh radio - and Radio NZ did better than
    commercial radio that morning.


    Your posit that cellphone warnings and radio are mutually exclusive >>>>alternatives is therefore nonsense - classic false dilemma.
    Cellphones and radio are not an "either-or", but an "and".
    I don't see them as mutually exclusive - it is a matter of priorities.
    I don;t think we disagree - it was John Key that was looking to only
    put money into a system to send text messages . . .

    The seventh deadly sin is said to be to see evil where none exists. >>>>Your habitual anti-government hysteria causes you to fall into that >>>>pit.
    Frequently.

    I did not see evil - merely incompetence. You are over-reacting.


    ... and, not unexpectedly, you've completely missed my point.

    Was there a point you were trying to make?

    What an extraordinarily stupid thing to say.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)
  • From george152@3:770/3 to HitAnyKey on Tuesday, November 22, 2016 08:04:47
    On 11/22/2016 12:30 AM, HitAnyKey wrote:
    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 22:28:45 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 05:31:54 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 17:15:18 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 20:39:37 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey
    <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 08:33:38 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 10:24:27 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey
    <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 23:06:35 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    https://www.facebook.com/Channel4NewsDemocracy/
    videos/1118263898251552/

    Since cell phone towers were among the first to go in the recent >>>>>>>> earthquakes, this will not be as useful as keeping National
    Radiowell funded - but what else was Key trying to distract from? >>>>>>>
    What's the connection between that URL and cellphone towers, I
    wonder?
    Sorry, that was for the previous post See
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/86647304/national-tsunami-warning-
    system-being-announced-shortly-john-key

    Meanwhile, the monitoring agency remains short funded . . .

    I don't recall that cellphone towers in Wellington were disabled by
    the earthquake near Kaikoura. But I do recall that the tsunami
    warming applied to many places beyond Kaikoura, including Wellington, >>>>> even to some that didn't feel the earthquake itself.

    Perhaps you are a little Wellington fixated - I understand the towers
    near the centre of the quake did go down - they are the people most
    affected. There were reports of people whose only copntact witht he
    outside world was thrugh radio - and Radio NZ did better than
    commercial radio that morning.


    Your posit that cellphone warnings and radio are mutually exclusive
    alternatives is therefore nonsense - classic false dilemma.
    Cellphones and radio are not an "either-or", but an "and".
    I don't see them as mutually exclusive - it is a matter of priorities. >>>> I don;t think we disagree - it was John Key that was looking to only
    put money into a system to send text messages . . .

    The seventh deadly sin is said to be to see evil where none exists.
    Your habitual anti-government hysteria causes you to fall into that
    pit.
    Frequently.

    I did not see evil - merely incompetence. You are over-reacting.


    ... and, not unexpectedly, you've completely missed my point.

    Was there a point you were trying to make?

    What an extraordinarily stupid thing to say.

    From an extraordinarily stupid person totally expected though

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)
  • From Allistar@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, November 22, 2016 08:44:01
    Rich80105 wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 20:39:37 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 08:33:38 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 10:24:27 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey <nobody@nowhere.com> >>> wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 23:06:35 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    https://www.facebook.com/Channel4NewsDemocracy/ >>videos/1118263898251552/

    Since cell phone towers were among the first to go in the recent
    earthquakes, this will not be as useful as keeping National Radiowell >>>>> funded - but what else was Key trying to distract from?

    What's the connection between that URL and cellphone towers, I wonder?
    Sorry, that was for the previous post See
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/86647304/national-tsunami-warning->>system-being-announced-shortly-john-key

    Meanwhile, the monitoring agency remains short funded . . .

    I don't recall that cellphone towers in Wellington were disabled by the >>earthquake near Kaikoura. But I do recall that the tsunami warming
    applied to many places beyond Kaikoura, including Wellington, even to
    some that didn't feel the earthquake itself.

    Perhaps you are a little Wellington fixated - I understand the towers
    near the centre of the quake did go down - they are the people most
    affected. There were reports of people whose only copntact witht he
    outside world was thrugh radio - and Radio NZ did better than
    commercial radio that morning.

    Can you provide proof of that claim?
    --
    "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
    creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)
  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to nobody@nowhere.com on Tuesday, November 22, 2016 08:54:40
    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 11:30:08 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 22:28:45 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 05:31:54 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 17:15:18 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 20:39:37 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey
    <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 08:33:38 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 10:24:27 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey
    <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 23:06:35 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    https://www.facebook.com/Channel4NewsDemocracy/ >>>>>videos/1118263898251552/

    Since cell phone towers were among the first to go in the recent >>>>>>>> earthquakes, this will not be as useful as keeping National
    Radiowell funded - but what else was Key trying to distract from? >>>>>>>
    What's the connection between that URL and cellphone towers, I >>>>>>>wonder?
    Sorry, that was for the previous post See
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/86647304/national-tsunami-warning- >>>>>system-being-announced-shortly-john-key

    Meanwhile, the monitoring agency remains short funded . . .

    I don't recall that cellphone towers in Wellington were disabled by >>>>>the earthquake near Kaikoura. But I do recall that the tsunami >>>>>warming applied to many places beyond Kaikoura, including Wellington, >>>>>even to some that didn't feel the earthquake itself.

    Perhaps you are a little Wellington fixated - I understand the towers
    near the centre of the quake did go down - they are the people most
    affected. There were reports of people whose only copntact witht he
    outside world was thrugh radio - and Radio NZ did better than
    commercial radio that morning.


    Your posit that cellphone warnings and radio are mutually exclusive >>>>>alternatives is therefore nonsense - classic false dilemma. >>>>>Cellphones and radio are not an "either-or", but an "and".
    I don't see them as mutually exclusive - it is a matter of priorities. >>>> I don;t think we disagree - it was John Key that was looking to only
    put money into a system to send text messages . . .

    The seventh deadly sin is said to be to see evil where none exists. >>>>>Your habitual anti-government hysteria causes you to fall into that >>>>>pit.
    Frequently.

    I did not see evil - merely incompetence. You are over-reacting.


    ... and, not unexpectedly, you've completely missed my point.

    Was there a point you were trying to make?

    What an extraordinarily stupid thing to say.

    Yes your post was stupid. If you wish to disagree, it is useful to
    give some reason for that disagreement. I have disagreed with a
    proposal that sending text messages to mobile phones (which may be
    themselves disabled in an earthquake area of most importance) is the
    most useful use of money for emergency money , and suggested that
    funding for Geonet and Radio NZ are a higher priority. In the absence
    of any suggestion of any professional avice, the brain-fart of Key
    looks ike a typical attempt to be seen to be doing something.
    anything, to distract from something - possibly the lack of real
    action after the Christchurch quakes to review emergency services:

    For example we have this: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11752316
    which includes:
    Speaking to reporters this afternoon, he said it was now apparent that
    GNS had raised a 24-hour, seven-day-a-week monitoring system in
    various reports over the years.

    "But they have never, ever provided anything directly to Government or
    even close to it."

    Brownlee agrees that the public warning system will need to upgraded,
    given the inconsistency or total absence of warnings in some regions
    after the quake.

    But it was irritating to face criticism "at a time when people were
    suffering", he said. A new warning system could not be "magic-ed up
    overnight".
    ___

    Translation - Brownlee bullied a scientist before checking is facts -
    typical Nat arrogance and lack of preperedness to take advice.

    then we have this: https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/john-armstrong-opinion-government-knows-play-disaster

    and this:
    https://twitter.com/NZNationalParty/status/799084907368546304/photo/1 https://twitter.com/NZNationalParty/status/799084907368546304

    Notice the little logos telling you the government is spending money
    to help victims of the earthquakes? - oh wait . . . .

    National's priorities are themselves first. business second, and
    others can wait.

    Have you seen any acknowledgement that Radio NZ did a good job of
    getting out public interest information on the night of the first
    quake? They would prefer that profit goes to private broadcasters -
    but some of them broadcasting canned programmes didn't even know about
    the quakes until hours later . . .

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)
  • From george152@3:770/3 to Allistar on Tuesday, November 22, 2016 09:30:11
    On 11/22/2016 8:44 AM, Allistar wrote:
    Rich80105 wrote:

    Perhaps you are a little Wellington fixated - I understand the towers
    near the centre of the quake did go down - they are the people most
    affected. There were reports of people whose only copntact witht he
    outside world was thrugh radio - and Radio NZ did better than
    commercial radio that morning.

    Can you provide proof of that claim?


    Radio is dependent upon -their- aerials remaining up and unbroken.
    And no disruption to the main and alternate power supplies

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)
  • From HitAnyKey@3:770/3 to All on Monday, November 21, 2016 20:22:19
    On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 08:54:40 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 11:30:08 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 22:28:45 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 05:31:54 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey
    <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 17:15:18 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 20:39:37 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey
    <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 08:33:38 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 10:24:27 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey
    <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 23:06:35 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    https://www.facebook.com/Channel4NewsDemocracy/ >>>>>>videos/1118263898251552/

    Since cell phone towers were among the first to go in the recent >>>>>>>>> earthquakes, this will not be as useful as keeping National
    Radiowell funded - but what else was Key trying to distract
    from?

    What's the connection between that URL and cellphone towers, I >>>>>>>>wonder?
    Sorry, that was for the previous post See
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/86647304/national-tsunami-warning- >>>>>>system-being-announced-shortly-john-key

    Meanwhile, the monitoring agency remains short funded . . .

    I don't recall that cellphone towers in Wellington were disabled by >>>>>>the earthquake near Kaikoura. But I do recall that the tsunami >>>>>>warming applied to many places beyond Kaikoura, including >>>>>>Wellington,
    even to some that didn't feel the earthquake itself.

    Perhaps you are a little Wellington fixated - I understand the
    towers near the centre of the quake did go down - they are the
    people most affected. There were reports of people whose only
    copntact witht he outside world was thrugh radio - and Radio NZ did
    better than commercial radio that morning.


    Your posit that cellphone warnings and radio are mutually exclusive >>>>>>alternatives is therefore nonsense - classic false dilemma. >>>>>>Cellphones and radio are not an "either-or", but an "and".
    I don't see them as mutually exclusive - it is a matter of
    priorities.
    I don;t think we disagree - it was John Key that was looking to only >>>>> put money into a system to send text messages . . .

    The seventh deadly sin is said to be to see evil where none exists. >>>>>>Your habitual anti-government hysteria causes you to fall into that >>>>>>pit.
    Frequently.

    I did not see evil - merely incompetence. You are over-reacting.


    ... and, not unexpectedly, you've completely missed my point.

    Was there a point you were trying to make?

    What an extraordinarily stupid thing to say.

    Yes your post was stupid. If you wish to disagree, it is useful to give
    some reason for that disagreement. I have disagreed with a proposal that sending text messages to mobile phones (which may be themselves disabled
    in an earthquake area of most importance) is the most useful use of
    money for emergency money , and suggested that funding for Geonet and
    Radio NZ are a higher priority. In the absence of any suggestion of any professional avice, the brain-fart of Key looks ike a typical attempt to
    be seen to be doing something.
    anything, to distract from something - possibly the lack of real action
    after the Christchurch quakes to review emergency services:

    For example we have this: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11752316
    which includes:
    Speaking to reporters this afternoon, he said it was now apparent that
    GNS had raised a 24-hour, seven-day-a-week monitoring system in various reports over the years.

    "But they have never, ever provided anything directly to Government or
    even close to it."

    Brownlee agrees that the public warning system will need to upgraded,
    given the inconsistency or total absence of warnings in some regions
    after the quake.

    But it was irritating to face criticism "at a time when people were suffering", he said. A new warning system could not be "magic-ed up overnight".
    ___

    Translation - Brownlee bullied a scientist before checking is facts -
    typical Nat arrogance and lack of preperedness to take advice.

    then we have this: https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/john-armstrong-opinion-
    government-knows-play-disaster

    and this: https://twitter.com/NZNationalParty/status/799084907368546304/photo/1 https://twitter.com/NZNationalParty/status/799084907368546304

    Notice the little logos telling you the government is spending money to
    help victims of the earthquakes? - oh wait . . . .

    National's priorities are themselves first. business second, and others
    can wait.

    Have you seen any acknowledgement that Radio NZ did a good job of
    getting out public interest information on the night of the first quake?
    They would prefer that profit goes to private broadcasters -
    but some of them broadcasting canned programmes didn't even know about
    the quakes until hours later . . .

    Your fantasies know no bounds, especially in situating the appreciation
    as distinct from appreciating the situation.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)
  • From Tony @3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Monday, November 21, 2016 21:24:42
    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 11:30:08 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 22:28:45 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 05:31:54 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey <nobody@nowhere.com> >>> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 17:15:18 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 20:39:37 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey
    <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 08:33:38 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 10:24:27 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey
    <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 23:06:35 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    https://www.facebook.com/Channel4NewsDemocracy/ >>>>>>videos/1118263898251552/

    Since cell phone towers were among the first to go in the recent >>>>>>>>> earthquakes, this will not be as useful as keeping National
    Radiowell funded - but what else was Key trying to distract from? >>>>>>>>
    What's the connection between that URL and cellphone towers, I >>>>>>>>wonder?
    Sorry, that was for the previous post See
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/86647304/national-tsunami-warning- >>>>>>system-being-announced-shortly-john-key

    Meanwhile, the monitoring agency remains short funded . . .

    I don't recall that cellphone towers in Wellington were disabled by >>>>>>the earthquake near Kaikoura. But I do recall that the tsunami >>>>>>warming applied to many places beyond Kaikoura, including Wellington, >>>>>>even to some that didn't feel the earthquake itself.

    Perhaps you are a little Wellington fixated - I understand the towers >>>>> near the centre of the quake did go down - they are the people most
    affected. There were reports of people whose only copntact witht he
    outside world was thrugh radio - and Radio NZ did better than
    commercial radio that morning.


    Your posit that cellphone warnings and radio are mutually exclusive >>>>>>alternatives is therefore nonsense - classic false dilemma. >>>>>>Cellphones and radio are not an "either-or", but an "and".
    I don't see them as mutually exclusive - it is a matter of priorities. >>>>> I don;t think we disagree - it was John Key that was looking to only >>>>> put money into a system to send text messages . . .

    The seventh deadly sin is said to be to see evil where none exists. >>>>>>Your habitual anti-government hysteria causes you to fall into that >>>>>>pit.
    Frequently.

    I did not see evil - merely incompetence. You are over-reacting.


    ... and, not unexpectedly, you've completely missed my point.

    Was there a point you were trying to make?

    What an extraordinarily stupid thing to say.

    Yes your post was stupid. If you wish to disagree, it is useful to
    give some reason for that disagreement. I have disagreed with a
    proposal that sending text messages to mobile phones (which may be
    themselves disabled in an earthquake area of most importance) is the
    most useful use of money for emergency money , and suggested that
    funding for Geonet and Radio NZ are a higher priority. In the absence
    of any suggestion of any professional avice, the brain-fart of Key
    looks ike a typical attempt to be seen to be doing something.
    anything, to distract from something - possibly the lack of real
    action after the Christchurch quakes to review emergency services:

    For example we have this: >http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11752316
    which includes:
    Speaking to reporters this afternoon, he said it was now apparent that
    GNS had raised a 24-hour, seven-day-a-week monitoring system in
    various reports over the years.

    "But they have never, ever provided anything directly to Government or
    even close to it."

    Brownlee agrees that the public warning system will need to upgraded,
    given the inconsistency or total absence of warnings in some regions
    after the quake.

    But it was irritating to face criticism "at a time when people were >suffering", he said. A new warning system could not be "magic-ed up >overnight".
    ___

    Translation - Brownlee bullied a scientist before checking is facts -
    typical Nat arrogance and lack of preperedness to take advice.

    then we have this: >https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/john-armstrong-opinion-government-knows-play-disaster

    and this: >https://twitter.com/NZNationalParty/status/799084907368546304/photo/1 >https://twitter.com/NZNationalParty/status/799084907368546304

    Notice the little logos telling you the government is spending money
    to help victims of the earthquakes? - oh wait . . . .

    National's priorities are themselves first. business second, and
    others can wait.

    Have you seen any acknowledgement that Radio NZ did a good job of
    getting out public interest information on the night of the first
    quake? They would prefer that profit goes to private broadcasters -
    but some of them broadcasting canned programmes didn't even know about
    the quakes until hours later . . .
    You are pontificating on a subject that you do not even begin to comprehend. You are guessing, making stuff up and extracting spurious bits of data to try to support your unsupportable position.
    The Americans have been there just as often and far more seriously than we have and they have concluded that Cellphones are the way to go. Our government have come to the same conclusion with, I am sure, expert opinion; and yet you, an absolute amateur, know better. What a crock you are! Do you have any more lies to add to your litany?
    Tony

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)
  • From Tony @3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Tuesday, November 22, 2016 01:02:18
    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 20:39:37 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 08:33:38 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 10:24:27 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey <nobody@nowhere.com> >>> wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 23:06:35 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    https://www.facebook.com/Channel4NewsDemocracy/ >>videos/1118263898251552/

    Since cell phone towers were among the first to go in the recent
    earthquakes, this will not be as useful as keeping National Radiowell >>>>> funded - but what else was Key trying to distract from?

    What's the connection between that URL and cellphone towers, I wonder?
    Sorry, that was for the previous post See
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/86647304/national-tsunami-warning- >>system-being-announced-shortly-john-key

    Meanwhile, the monitoring agency remains short funded . . .

    I don't recall that cellphone towers in Wellington were disabled by the >>earthquake near Kaikoura. But I do recall that the tsunami warming
    applied to many places beyond Kaikoura, including Wellington, even to
    some that didn't feel the earthquake itself.

    Perhaps you are a little Wellington fixated - I understand the towers
    near the centre of the quake did go down - they are the people most
    affected. There were reports of people whose only copntact witht he
    outside world was thrugh radio - and Radio NZ did better than
    commercial radio that morning.


    Your posit that cellphone warnings and radio are mutually exclusive >>alternatives is therefore nonsense - classic false dilemma. Cellphones
    and radio are not an "either-or", but an "and".
    I don't see them as mutually exclusive - it is a matter of priorities.
    I don;t think we disagree - it was John Key that was looking to only
    put money into a system to send text messages . . .
    You are lying again. He did not suggest that it was exclusive. How do you manage to sleep at night knowing that you manufacture nonsense like this?

    The seventh deadly sin is said to be to see evil where none exists. Your >>habitual anti-government hysteria causes you to fall into that pit. >>Frequently.

    I did not see evil - merely incompetence. You are over-reacting.
    You would not recognise incompetence if it hit you in the face; otherwise you would not support the Labour party!


    Tony

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)
  • From Tony @3:770/3 to gblack@hnpl.net on Tuesday, November 22, 2016 01:03:49
    george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
    On 11/22/2016 8:44 AM, Allistar wrote:
    Rich80105 wrote:

    Perhaps you are a little Wellington fixated - I understand the towers
    near the centre of the quake did go down - they are the people most
    affected. There were reports of people whose only copntact witht he
    outside world was thrugh radio - and Radio NZ did better than
    commercial radio that morning.

    Can you provide proof of that claim?


    Radio is dependent upon -their- aerials remaining up and unbroken.
    And no disruption to the main and alternate power supplies
    They do not all have aletrnative supplies and almost none have battery backup for well understood technical reasons. Unlike cellphone towers.
    Tony

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)
  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, November 22, 2016 21:52:04
    On 22/11/2016 8:54 a.m., Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 11:30:08 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 22:28:45 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 05:31:54 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey <nobody@nowhere.com> >>> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 17:15:18 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 20:39:37 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey
    <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 08:33:38 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 10:24:27 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey
    <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 23:06:35 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    https://www.facebook.com/Channel4NewsDemocracy/
    videos/1118263898251552/

    Since cell phone towers were among the first to go in the recent >>>>>>>>> earthquakes, this will not be as useful as keeping National
    Radiowell funded - but what else was Key trying to distract from? >>>>>>>>
    What's the connection between that URL and cellphone towers, I >>>>>>>> wonder?
    Sorry, that was for the previous post See
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/86647304/national-tsunami-warning- >>>>>> system-being-announced-shortly-john-key

    Meanwhile, the monitoring agency remains short funded . . .

    I don't recall that cellphone towers in Wellington were disabled by >>>>>> the earthquake near Kaikoura. But I do recall that the tsunami
    warming applied to many places beyond Kaikoura, including Wellington, >>>>>> even to some that didn't feel the earthquake itself.

    Perhaps you are a little Wellington fixated - I understand the towers >>>>> near the centre of the quake did go down - they are the people most
    affected. There were reports of people whose only copntact witht he
    outside world was thrugh radio - and Radio NZ did better than
    commercial radio that morning.


    Your posit that cellphone warnings and radio are mutually exclusive >>>>>> alternatives is therefore nonsense - classic false dilemma.
    Cellphones and radio are not an "either-or", but an "and".
    I don't see them as mutually exclusive - it is a matter of priorities. >>>>> I don;t think we disagree - it was John Key that was looking to only >>>>> put money into a system to send text messages . . .

    The seventh deadly sin is said to be to see evil where none exists. >>>>>> Your habitual anti-government hysteria causes you to fall into that >>>>>> pit.
    Frequently.

    I did not see evil - merely incompetence. You are over-reacting.


    ... and, not unexpectedly, you've completely missed my point.

    Was there a point you were trying to make?

    What an extraordinarily stupid thing to say.

    Yes your post was stupid. If you wish to disagree, it is useful to
    give some reason for that disagreement. I have disagreed with a
    proposal that sending text messages to mobile phones (which may be
    themselves disabled in an earthquake area of most importance) is the
    most useful use of money for emergency money , and suggested that
    funding for Geonet and Radio NZ are a higher priority. In the absence
    of any suggestion of any professional avice, the brain-fart of Key
    looks ike a typical attempt to be seen to be doing something.
    anything, to distract from something - possibly the lack of real
    action after the Christchurch quakes to review emergency services:


    This is your initial statement Rich:Since cell phone towers were among
    the first to go in the recent
    earthquakes, this will not be as useful as keeping National Radiowell
    funded - but what else was Key trying to distract from?" You then went
    on to suggest that RadioNZ had the best overall coverage for New
    Zealand. You failed to comprehend that first of all commercial radio has
    as good or a better overall coverage of New Zealand and either failed to comprehend or were just to stupid to bother to understand that the text messaging for tsunami warning was on top of everything that's in place
    now. Your consistent misinterpreting of anything the current government
    does is just further evidence of what a mysoginistic, lying troll you are!

    <further bullshit from the resident trolling, Trotskyite troll trashed>
    Pooh

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  • From george152@3:770/3 to Tony on Wednesday, November 23, 2016 08:17:40
    On 11/22/2016 8:03 PM, Tony wrote:
    george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
    On 11/22/2016 8:44 AM, Allistar wrote:
    Rich80105 wrote:

    Perhaps you are a little Wellington fixated - I understand the towers
    near the centre of the quake did go down - they are the people most
    affected. There were reports of people whose only copntact witht he
    outside world was thrugh radio - and Radio NZ did better than
    commercial radio that morning.

    Can you provide proof of that claim?


    Radio is dependent upon -their- aerials remaining up and unbroken.
    And no disruption to the main and alternate power supplies
    They do not all have aletrnative supplies and almost none have battery backup for well understood technical reasons. Unlike cellphone towers.
    Tony

    True.
    Which is why during disasters they use radio hams to do the comms

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  • From Tony @3:770/3 to gblack@hnpl.net on Tuesday, November 22, 2016 13:34:51
    george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
    On 11/22/2016 8:03 PM, Tony wrote:
    george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
    On 11/22/2016 8:44 AM, Allistar wrote:
    Rich80105 wrote:

    Perhaps you are a little Wellington fixated - I understand the towers >>>>> near the centre of the quake did go down - they are the people most
    affected. There were reports of people whose only copntact witht he
    outside world was thrugh radio - and Radio NZ did better than
    commercial radio that morning.

    Can you provide proof of that claim?


    Radio is dependent upon -their- aerials remaining up and unbroken.
    And no disruption to the main and alternate power supplies
    They do not all have aletrnative supplies and almost none have battery backup
    for well understood technical reasons. Unlike cellphone towers.
    Tony

    True.
    Which is why during disasters they use radio hams to do the comms
    Funny.
    I had never made that connection despite my background.
    I was certainly aware that hams get heavily involved following major incidents, and many of them have generators.
    To use the main radio networks would involve huge expenditire for the provision of secondary power. Most cellphone towers already have that.
    Tony

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