On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 17:29:50 UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:

JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 16:51:09 UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com

wrote:

Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:

On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:22:56 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Nick Smith doesn't seem to understand that it is not approriate to
have a public servant at a Natonal Party event, let alone charge the
taxpayers for that

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/76900787/taxpayer-paid-for-nick-smiths-press-secretary-at-national-party-dinner

So far Rich - I agree with you and Faafoi. It seems inappropriate for
a press secretary to attend a 'private' and 'National Party' function
let alone to incur expenses for doing so.

It seems quite a few Ministers are having private fund-raisers or
dinners where those coming to hear a political announcmenet are
expected to pay for a meal - if not also be members of the Party.

Where did you get this from? None of this was mentioned on the
article as far as I can see.

Previous governments have understood the need to keep a
distancebetween party and State - it is a sign of the arrogance and
third-term-itis that Smith doesn't understand. It is an even bigger
sign of the danger Key believes he is in that he needs to take
security details to National Party events . . .

Rich article you quoted is over a small amount but an important
principle. You have then taken this on to irrelevant political
rhetoric. I see Faafoi had the good sense to stick to the issue
(only) despite being a Labour MP.


--
Crash McBash

Faafoi seems to me to be a very good MP (he is not mine but I wouldn't

mind

at
all if he was), I have actually heard him on the radio acknowledge the
government doing something right. Even when he criticises them (as he is >> entitled to) he is very professional and keeps to the point. I wonder if

he

is
someone that Labour should be grooming!
Tony

Faafoi is not union affiliated and is associated with Goff. From that it

seems

he's not going to last in today's Labour Party.

Entirely likely, what a shame that a party ignores quality because of historical garbage that is decades out of date! He is liked heaps by his constituents because he listens to them and fights for them - wow! who would have thought an MP would do that?

Rather unlike Andrew Little who simply cannot get himself elected in the formerly red New Plymouth electorate and drops their vote every time he stands.

Tony

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On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 20:52:51 UTC+13, Crash wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 22:11:20 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 17:29:50 UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com

wrote:

JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 16:51:09 UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com

wrote:

Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:

On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:22:56 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> >> >> >wrote:

Nick Smith doesn't seem to understand that it is not approriate to
have a public servant at a Natonal Party event, let alone charge the >> >> >>taxpayers for that

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/76900787/taxpayer-paid-for-nick-smiths-press-secretary-at-national-party-dinner

So far Rich - I agree with you and Faafoi. It seems inappropriate for >> >> >a press secretary to attend a 'private' and 'National Party' function >> >> >let alone to incur expenses for doing so.

It seems quite a few Ministers are having private fund-raisers or
dinners where those coming to hear a political announcmenet are
expected to pay for a meal - if not also be members of the Party.

Where did you get this from? None of this was mentioned on the
article as far as I can see.

Previous governments have understood the need to keep a
distancebetween party and State - it is a sign of the arrogance and >> >> >>third-term-itis that Smith doesn't understand. It is an even bigger >> >> >>sign of the danger Key believes he is in that he needs to take
security details to National Party events . . .

Rich article you quoted is over a small amount but an important
principle. You have then taken this on to irrelevant political
rhetoric. I see Faafoi had the good sense to stick to the issue
(only) despite being a Labour MP.


--
Crash McBash

Faafoi seems to me to be a very good MP (he is not mine but I wouldn't

mind

at
all if he was), I have actually heard him on the radio acknowledge the >> >> government doing something right. Even when he criticises them (as he

is

entitled to) he is very professional and keeps to the point. I wonder

if he

is
someone that Labour should be grooming!
Tony

Faafoi is not union affiliated and is associated with Goff. From that it

seems

he's not going to last in today's Labour Party.

Entirely likely, what a shame that a party ignores quality because of
historical garbage that is decades out of date! He is liked heaps by his >> constituents because he listens to them and fights for them - wow! who

would

have thought an MP would do that?

Rather unlike Andrew Little who simply cannot get himself elected in the

formerly red New Plymouth electorate and drops their vote every time he stands.

Compared to that Faafoi has increased his electorate vote
substantially in 2014 vs 2011. Being up against a National Cabinet
Minister (Parata) means that Faafoi has achieved against a
high-profile National candidate.

Interesting though that the party vote went to National in both
elections. So Faafoi is outstrips Labour in popularity.

Given that Andrew Little has had embarrassing results from New
Plymouth (Little and Labour both beaten by a mile in 2014) perhaps
Little will look elsewhere in 2017?

He had his beady little eyes on Rongotai but Annette having none of that!

--
Crash McBash

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On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 22:11:20 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 17:29:50 UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote: >> JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 16:51:09 UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:

Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:

On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:22:56 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Nick Smith doesn't seem to understand that it is not approriate to
have a public servant at a Natonal Party event, let alone charge the
taxpayers for that

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/76900787/taxpayer-paid-for-nick-smiths-press-secretary-at-national-party-dinner

So far Rich - I agree with you and Faafoi. It seems inappropriate for >> >> >a press secretary to attend a 'private' and 'National Party' function
let alone to incur expenses for doing so.

It seems quite a few Ministers are having private fund-raisers or
dinners where those coming to hear a political announcmenet are
expected to pay for a meal - if not also be members of the Party.

Where did you get this from? None of this was mentioned on the
article as far as I can see.

Previous governments have understood the need to keep a
distancebetween party and State - it is a sign of the arrogance and
third-term-itis that Smith doesn't understand. It is an even bigger
sign of the danger Key believes he is in that he needs to take
security details to National Party events . . .

Rich article you quoted is over a small amount but an important
principle. You have then taken this on to irrelevant political
rhetoric. I see Faafoi had the good sense to stick to the issue
(only) despite being a Labour MP.


--
Crash McBash

Faafoi seems to me to be a very good MP (he is not mine but I wouldn't mind
at
all if he was), I have actually heard him on the radio acknowledge the
government doing something right. Even when he criticises them (as he is >> >> entitled to) he is very professional and keeps to the point. I wonder if he
is
someone that Labour should be grooming!
Tony

Faafoi is not union affiliated and is associated with Goff. From that it seems
he's not going to last in today's Labour Party.

Entirely likely, what a shame that a party ignores quality because of
historical garbage that is decades out of date! He is liked heaps by his
constituents because he listens to them and fights for them - wow! who would >> have thought an MP would do that?

Rather unlike Andrew Little who simply cannot get himself elected in the formerly red New Plymouth electorate and drops their vote every time he stands.

Compared to that Faafoi has increased his electorate vote
substantially in 2014 vs 2011. Being up against a National Cabinet
Minister (Parata) means that Faafoi has achieved against a
high-profile National candidate.

Interesting though that the party vote went to National in both
elections. So Faafoi is outstrips Labour in popularity.

Given that Andrew Little has had embarrassing results from New
Plymouth (Little and Labour both beaten by a mile in 2014) perhaps
Little will look elsewhere in 2017?


--
Crash McBash

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On 2/16/2016 5:11 PM, JohnO wrote:

Faafoi is not union affiliated and is associated with Goff. From that it

seems he's not going to last in today's Labour Party.


He is however a member of the MSM with all that that entails.
And five bob says that he's still a member of the relevant union

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On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 16:42:53 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:

On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:22:56 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Nick Smith doesn't seem to understand that it is not approriate to
have a public servant at a Natonal Party event, let alone charge the >>taxpayers for that >>http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/76900787/taxpayer-paid-for-nick-smiths-press-secretary-at-national-party-dinner

So far Rich - I agree with you and Faafoi. It seems inappropriate for
a press secretary to attend a 'private' and 'National Party' function
let alone to incur expenses for doing so.

It seems quite a few Ministers are having private fund-raisers or
dinners where those coming to hear a political announcmenet are
expected to pay for a meal - if not also be members of the Party.

Where did you get this from? None of this was mentioned on the
article as far as I can see.

There is another thread referring to John Key charging for speeches -
see http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/296044/ratepayers-pay-for-seats-at-pm's-speechYou
No Right Turn identified that 5 of the 7 speeches on the PMs website
were "user-pays"- since then PM staff have added some more where he
did not chare - speeches at overseas conferences and funtions where he
was not in control of the organisation

Previous governments have understood the need to keep a
distancebetween party and State - it is a sign of the arrogance and >>third-term-itis that Smith doesn't understand. It is an even bigger
sign of the danger Key believes he is in that he needs to take
security details to National Party events . . .

Rich article you quoted is over a small amount but an important
principle. You have then taken this on to irrelevant political
rhetoric. I see Faafoi had the good sense to stick to the issue
(only) despite being a Labour MP.

The media are well aware of being asked to attend (and sometimes pay)
for access to an event where the PM is speaking. Personally I think
that they should refuse to pay anything, and not attend if payment is
insisted on, but Mediaworks would probably still cover events, and
that would suit National just fine . . .

This is not a single instance, Crash, its a deliberate ploy to
restrict attendance to National-sympathetic attendees - but note that
even then Key still finds it necessary to have a security detail . . .

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On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 00:15:36 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 20:52:51 UTC+13, Crash wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 22:11:20 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 17:29:50 UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:

JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 16:51:09 UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:

Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:

On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:22:56 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> >> >> >> >wrote:

Nick Smith doesn't seem to understand that it is not approriate to >> >> >> >>have a public servant at a Natonal Party event, let alone charge the >> >> >> >>taxpayers for that

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/76900787/taxpayer-paid-for-nick-smiths-press-secretary-at-national-party-dinner

So far Rich - I agree with you and Faafoi. It seems inappropriate for
a press secretary to attend a 'private' and 'National Party' function >> >> >> >let alone to incur expenses for doing so.

It seems quite a few Ministers are having private fund-raisers or
dinners where those coming to hear a political announcmenet are
expected to pay for a meal - if not also be members of the Party.

Where did you get this from? None of this was mentioned on the
article as far as I can see.

Previous governments have understood the need to keep a
distancebetween party and State - it is a sign of the arrogance and >> >> >> >>third-term-itis that Smith doesn't understand. It is an even bigger >> >> >> >>sign of the danger Key believes he is in that he needs to take
security details to National Party events . . .

Rich article you quoted is over a small amount but an important
principle. You have then taken this on to irrelevant political
rhetoric. I see Faafoi had the good sense to stick to the issue
(only) despite being a Labour MP.


--
Crash McBash

Faafoi seems to me to be a very good MP (he is not mine but I wouldn't

mind

at
all if he was), I have actually heard him on the radio acknowledge the >> >> >> government doing something right. Even when he criticises them (as he is
entitled to) he is very professional and keeps to the point. I wonder if he
is
someone that Labour should be grooming!
Tony

Faafoi is not union affiliated and is associated with Goff. From that it

seems

he's not going to last in today's Labour Party.

Entirely likely, what a shame that a party ignores quality because of
historical garbage that is decades out of date! He is liked heaps by his >> >> constituents because he listens to them and fights for them - wow! who would
have thought an MP would do that?

Rather unlike Andrew Little who simply cannot get himself elected in the formerly red New Plymouth electorate and drops their vote every time he stands. >>

Compared to that Faafoi has increased his electorate vote
substantially in 2014 vs 2011. Being up against a National Cabinet
Minister (Parata) means that Faafoi has achieved against a
high-profile National candidate.

Interesting though that the party vote went to National in both
elections. So Faafoi is outstrips Labour in popularity.

Given that Andrew Little has had embarrassing results from New
Plymouth (Little and Labour both beaten by a mile in 2014) perhaps
Little will look elsewhere in 2017?

He had his beady little eyes on Rongotai but Annette having none of that!

Do you have a cite for that? It has been re[orted that Anette King may
retire at the next election, ans there was speculation that Little may
stand, but I have not heard any reaction to that media speculation
from anyone in Labour.

--
Crash McBash

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On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 20:52:34 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 22:11:20 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 17:29:50 UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote: >>> JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 16:51:09 UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:

Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:

On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:22:56 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> >>> >> >wrote:

Nick Smith doesn't seem to understand that it is not approriate to
have a public servant at a Natonal Party event, let alone charge the >>> >> >>taxpayers for that

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/76900787/taxpayer-paid-for-nick-smiths-press-secretary-at-national-party-dinner

So far Rich - I agree with you and Faafoi. It seems inappropriate for >>> >> >a press secretary to attend a 'private' and 'National Party' function >>> >> >let alone to incur expenses for doing so.

It seems quite a few Ministers are having private fund-raisers or
dinners where those coming to hear a political announcmenet are
expected to pay for a meal - if not also be members of the Party.

Where did you get this from? None of this was mentioned on the
article as far as I can see.

Previous governments have understood the need to keep a
distancebetween party and State - it is a sign of the arrogance and >>> >> >>third-term-itis that Smith doesn't understand. It is an even bigger >>> >> >>sign of the danger Key believes he is in that he needs to take
security details to National Party events . . .

Rich article you quoted is over a small amount but an important
principle. You have then taken this on to irrelevant political
rhetoric. I see Faafoi had the good sense to stick to the issue
(only) despite being a Labour MP.


--
Crash McBash

Faafoi seems to me to be a very good MP (he is not mine but I wouldn't mind
at
all if he was), I have actually heard him on the radio acknowledge the >>> >> government doing something right. Even when he criticises them (as he is >>> >> entitled to) he is very professional and keeps to the point. I wonder if

he

is
someone that Labour should be grooming!
Tony

Faafoi is not union affiliated and is associated with Goff. From that it seems
he's not going to last in today's Labour Party.

Entirely likely, what a shame that a party ignores quality because of
historical garbage that is decades out of date! He is liked heaps by his >>> constituents because he listens to them and fights for them - wow! who would
have thought an MP would do that?

Rather unlike Andrew Little who simply cannot get himself elected in the formerly red New Plymouth electorate and drops their vote every time he stands.

Compared to that Faafoi has increased his electorate vote
substantially in 2014 vs 2011. Being up against a National Cabinet
Minister (Parata) means that Faafoi has achieved against a
high-profile National candidate.

Interesting though that the party vote went to National in both
elections. So Faafoi is outstrips Labour in popularity.

2014: National 14850
Labour plus Green Party 17,292

I'm sure you woulsd be happy with such a "win"in every electorate,
Crash.

Given that Andrew Little has had embarrassing results from New
Plymouth (Little and Labour both beaten by a mile in 2014) perhaps
Little will look elsewhere in 2017?

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On Wednesday, 17 February 2016 09:44:35 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 00:15:36 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 20:52:51 UTC+13, Crash wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 22:11:20 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 17:29:50 UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com

wrote:

JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 16:51:09 UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com

wrote:

Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:

On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:22:56 +1300,

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>

wrote:

Nick Smith doesn't seem to understand that it is not approriate to >> >> >> >>have a public servant at a Natonal Party event, let alone charge

the

taxpayers for that

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/76900787/taxpayer-paid-for-nick-smiths-press-secretary-at-national-party-dinner

So far Rich - I agree with you and Faafoi. It seems inappropriate

for

a press secretary to attend a 'private' and 'National Party'

function

let alone to incur expenses for doing so.

It seems quite a few Ministers are having private fund-raisers or >> >> >> >>dinners where those coming to hear a political announcmenet are
expected to pay for a meal - if not also be members of the Party. >> >> >> >

Where did you get this from? None of this was mentioned on the
article as far as I can see.

Previous governments have understood the need to keep a
distancebetween party and State - it is a sign of the arrogance

and

third-term-itis that Smith doesn't understand. It is an even

bigger

sign of the danger Key believes he is in that he needs to take
security details to National Party events . . .

Rich article you quoted is over a small amount but an important
principle. You have then taken this on to irrelevant political
rhetoric. I see Faafoi had the good sense to stick to the issue
(only) despite being a Labour MP.


--
Crash McBash

Faafoi seems to me to be a very good MP (he is not mine but I

wouldn't mind

at
all if he was), I have actually heard him on the radio acknowledge

the

government doing something right. Even when he criticises them (as

he is

entitled to) he is very professional and keeps to the point. I

wonder if he

is
someone that Labour should be grooming!
Tony

Faafoi is not union affiliated and is associated with Goff. From that

it seems

he's not going to last in today's Labour Party.

Entirely likely, what a shame that a party ignores quality because of >> >> historical garbage that is decades out of date! He is liked heaps by

his

constituents because he listens to them and fights for them - wow! who

would

have thought an MP would do that?

Rather unlike Andrew Little who simply cannot get himself elected in the

formerly red New Plymouth electorate and drops their vote every time he stands.

Compared to that Faafoi has increased his electorate vote
substantially in 2014 vs 2011. Being up against a National Cabinet
Minister (Parata) means that Faafoi has achieved against a
high-profile National candidate.

Interesting though that the party vote went to National in both
elections. So Faafoi is outstrips Labour in popularity.

Given that Andrew Little has had embarrassing results from New
Plymouth (Little and Labour both beaten by a mile in 2014) perhaps
Little will look elsewhere in 2017?

He had his beady little eyes on Rongotai but Annette having none of that!

Do you have a cite for that? It has been re[orted that Anette King may
retire at the next election, ans there was speculation that Little may
stand, but I have not heard any reaction to that media speculation
from anyone in Labour.

Do you have a cite for that?

--
Crash McBash

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"Rich80105" <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:a827cbhfen2mfehi28vhif0mfoh9uh0j6a@4ax.com...

On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 20:52:34 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 22:11:20 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 17:29:50 UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com >>>wrote:

JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 16:51:09 UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com >>>> >wrote:

Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:

On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:22:56 +1300,
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Nick Smith doesn't seem to understand that it is not approriate to >>>> >> >>have a public servant at a Natonal Party event, let alone charge
the
taxpayers for that

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/76900787/taxpayer-paid-for-nick-smiths-press-secretary-at-national-party-dinner

So far Rich - I agree with you and Faafoi. It seems inappropriate >>>> >> >for
a press secretary to attend a 'private' and 'National Party'
function
let alone to incur expenses for doing so.

It seems quite a few Ministers are having private fund-raisers or >>>> >> >>dinners where those coming to hear a political announcmenet are
expected to pay for a meal - if not also be members of the Party. >>>> >> >

Where did you get this from? None of this was mentioned on the
article as far as I can see.

Previous governments have understood the need to keep a
distancebetween party and State - it is a sign of the arrogance
and
third-term-itis that Smith doesn't understand. It is an even
bigger
sign of the danger Key believes he is in that he needs to take
security details to National Party events . . .

Rich article you quoted is over a small amount but an important
principle. You have then taken this on to irrelevant political
rhetoric. I see Faafoi had the good sense to stick to the issue
(only) despite being a Labour MP.


--
Crash McBash

Faafoi seems to me to be a very good MP (he is not mine but I
wouldn't mind
at
all if he was), I have actually heard him on the radio acknowledge
the
government doing something right. Even when he criticises them (as
he is
entitled to) he is very professional and keeps to the point. I
wonder if he
is
someone that Labour should be grooming!
Tony

Faafoi is not union affiliated and is associated with Goff. From that >>>> >it seems
he's not going to last in today's Labour Party.

Entirely likely, what a shame that a party ignores quality because of
historical garbage that is decades out of date! He is liked heaps by
his
constituents because he listens to them and fights for them - wow! who >>>> would
have thought an MP would do that?

Rather unlike Andrew Little who simply cannot get himself elected in the >>>formerly red New Plymouth electorate and drops their vote every time he >>>stands.

Compared to that Faafoi has increased his electorate vote
substantially in 2014 vs 2011. Being up against a National Cabinet >>Minister (Parata) means that Faafoi has achieved against a
high-profile National candidate.

Interesting though that the party vote went to National in both
elections. So Faafoi is outstrips Labour in popularity.

2014: National 14850
Labour plus Green Party 17,292

I'm sure you woulsd be happy with such a "win"in every electorate,
Crash.

That isn't a win Rich. That's just you showing what a stupid bloody trolling marxist you are.

Given that Andrew Little has had embarrassing results from New
Plymouth (Little and Labour both beaten by a mile in 2014) perhaps
Little will look elsewhere in 2017?

What no comment on how the Labour/Green vote would have given the win to Little?

Pooh

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"Rich80105" <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1517cb9puqs9ftumha09mgue659pu36t0r@4ax.com...

On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 16:42:53 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:

On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:22:56 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Nick Smith doesn't seem to understand that it is not approriate to
have a public servant at a Natonal Party event, let alone charge the >>>taxpayers for that >>>http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/76900787/taxpayer-paid-for-nick-smiths-press-secretary-at-national-party-dinner

So far Rich - I agree with you and Faafoi. It seems inappropriate for
a press secretary to attend a 'private' and 'National Party' function
let alone to incur expenses for doing so.

It seems quite a few Ministers are having private fund-raisers or
dinners where those coming to hear a political announcmenet are
expected to pay for a meal - if not also be members of the Party.

Where did you get this from? None of this was mentioned on the
article as far as I can see.

There is another thread referring to John Key charging for speeches -
see http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/296044/ratepayers-pay-for-seats-at-pm's-speechYou
No Right Turn identified that 5 of the 7 speeches on the PMs website
were "user-pays"- since then PM staff have added some more where he
did not chare - speeches at overseas conferences and funtions where he
was not in control of the organisation

Previous governments have understood the need to keep a
distancebetween party and State - it is a sign of the arrogance and >>>third-term-itis that Smith doesn't understand. It is an even bigger
sign of the danger Key believes he is in that he needs to take
security details to National Party events . . .

Rich article you quoted is over a small amount but an important
principle. You have then taken this on to irrelevant political
rhetoric. I see Faafoi had the good sense to stick to the issue
(only) despite being a Labour MP.

The media are well aware of being asked to attend (and sometimes pay)
for access to an event where the PM is speaking. Personally I think
that they should refuse to pay anything, and not attend if payment is insisted on, but Mediaworks would probably still cover events, and
that would suit National just fine . . .

This is not a single instance, Crash, its a deliberate ploy to
restrict attendance to National-sympathetic attendees - but note that
even then Key still finds it necessary to have a security detail . . .

Got anything to show Clark never did this Rich? Or are you just desperatly trying to divert the thread as you usualy do when you're getting your arse handed to you?

Pooh

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On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 09:41:15 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:

On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 20:52:34 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 22:11:20 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 17:29:50 UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:

JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 16:51:09 UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:

Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:

On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:22:56 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>> >> >wrote:

Nick Smith doesn't seem to understand that it is not approriate to >>>> >> >>have a public servant at a Natonal Party event, let alone charge the >>>> >> >>taxpayers for that

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/76900787/taxpayer-paid-for-nick-smiths-press-secretary-at-national-party-dinner

So far Rich - I agree with you and Faafoi. It seems inappropriate for >>>> >> >a press secretary to attend a 'private' and 'National Party' function >>>> >> >let alone to incur expenses for doing so.

It seems quite a few Ministers are having private fund-raisers or >>>> >> >>dinners where those coming to hear a political announcmenet are
expected to pay for a meal - if not also be members of the Party. >>>> >> >

Where did you get this from? None of this was mentioned on the
article as far as I can see.

Previous governments have understood the need to keep a
distancebetween party and State - it is a sign of the arrogance and >>>> >> >>third-term-itis that Smith doesn't understand. It is an even bigger >>>> >> >>sign of the danger Key believes he is in that he needs to take
security details to National Party events . . .

Rich article you quoted is over a small amount but an important
principle. You have then taken this on to irrelevant political
rhetoric. I see Faafoi had the good sense to stick to the issue
(only) despite being a Labour MP.


--
Crash McBash

Faafoi seems to me to be a very good MP (he is not mine but I wouldn't mind
at
all if he was), I have actually heard him on the radio acknowledge the >>>> >> government doing something right. Even when he criticises them (as he is
entitled to) he is very professional and keeps to the point. I wonder if he
is
someone that Labour should be grooming!
Tony

Faafoi is not union affiliated and is associated with Goff. From that it seems
he's not going to last in today's Labour Party.

Entirely likely, what a shame that a party ignores quality because of
historical garbage that is decades out of date! He is liked heaps by his >>>> constituents because he listens to them and fights for them - wow! who would
have thought an MP would do that?

Rather unlike Andrew Little who simply cannot get himself elected in the formerly red New Plymouth electorate and drops their vote every time he stands. >>

Compared to that Faafoi has increased his electorate vote
substantially in 2014 vs 2011. Being up against a National Cabinet >>Minister (Parata) means that Faafoi has achieved against a
high-profile National candidate.

Interesting though that the party vote went to National in both
elections. So Faafoi is outstrips Labour in popularity.

2014: National 14850
Labour plus Green Party 17,292

I'm sure you woulsd be happy with such a "win"in every electorate,
Crash.

Given that Andrew Little has had embarrassing results from New
Plymouth (Little and Labour both beaten by a mile in 2014) perhaps
Little will look elsewhere in 2017?

Rich I am astonished that you consider the 2014 result in Mana a 'win'
for labour.

In electorate votes Faafoi got 19,651 but in the party vote Labour got
12,601. For the Greens Jan Logie got 3024 and in the party vote the
Greens got 4,691. Parata (National) got 11,698 and National 14,850.

The result clearly shows that the Labour party candidate vastly
outscored his party. Equally the National and Green Parties outscored
their individual candidates. The result is that the electorate
candidates received quite different levels of support to the parties
they represent - and for Faafoi this was a deficit.






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On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 21:19:41 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:

On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 09:41:15 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:

On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 20:52:34 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 22:11:20 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 17:29:50 UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:

JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 16:51:09 UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:

Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:

On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:22:56 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>> >> >wrote:

Nick Smith doesn't seem to understand that it is not approriate to >>>>> >> >>have a public servant at a Natonal Party event, let alone charge the >>>>> >> >>taxpayers for that

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/76900787/taxpayer-paid-for-nick-smiths-press-secretary-at-national-party-dinner

So far Rich - I agree with you and Faafoi. It seems inappropriate for
a press secretary to attend a 'private' and 'National Party' function >>>>> >> >let alone to incur expenses for doing so.

It seems quite a few Ministers are having private fund-raisers or >>>>> >> >>dinners where those coming to hear a political announcmenet are >>>>> >> >>expected to pay for a meal - if not also be members of the Party. >>>>> >> >

Where did you get this from? None of this was mentioned on the
article as far as I can see.

Previous governments have understood the need to keep a
distancebetween party and State - it is a sign of the arrogance and >>>>> >> >>third-term-itis that Smith doesn't understand. It is an even bigger >>>>> >> >>sign of the danger Key believes he is in that he needs to take
security details to National Party events . . .

Rich article you quoted is over a small amount but an important
principle. You have then taken this on to irrelevant political
rhetoric. I see Faafoi had the good sense to stick to the issue >>>>> >> >(only) despite being a Labour MP.


--
Crash McBash

Faafoi seems to me to be a very good MP (he is not mine but I wouldn't

mind

at
all if he was), I have actually heard him on the radio acknowledge the >>>>> >> government doing something right. Even when he criticises them (as he is
entitled to) he is very professional and keeps to the point. I wonder if he
is
someone that Labour should be grooming!
Tony

Faafoi is not union affiliated and is associated with Goff. From that it

seems

he's not going to last in today's Labour Party.

Entirely likely, what a shame that a party ignores quality because of >>>>> historical garbage that is decades out of date! He is liked heaps by his >>>>> constituents because he listens to them and fights for them - wow! who would
have thought an MP would do that?

Rather unlike Andrew Little who simply cannot get himself elected in the formerly red New Plymouth electorate and drops their vote every time he stands. >>>

Compared to that Faafoi has increased his electorate vote
substantially in 2014 vs 2011. Being up against a National Cabinet >>>Minister (Parata) means that Faafoi has achieved against a
high-profile National candidate.

Interesting though that the party vote went to National in both >>>elections. So Faafoi is outstrips Labour in popularity.

2014: National 14850
Labour plus Green Party 17,292

I'm sure you woulsd be happy with such a "win"in every electorate,
Crash.

Given that Andrew Little has had embarrassing results from New
Plymouth (Little and Labour both beaten by a mile in 2014) perhaps
Little will look elsewhere in 2017?

Rich I am astonished that you consider the 2014 result in Mana a 'win'
for labour.

In electorate votes Faafoi got 19,651 but in the party vote Labour got >12,601. For the Greens Jan Logie got 3024 and in the party vote the
Greens got 4,691. Parata (National) got 11,698 and National 14,850.

The result clearly shows that the Labour party candidate vastly
outscored his party. Equally the National and Green Parties outscored
their individual candidates. The result is that the electorate
candidates received quite different levels of support to the parties
they represent - and for Faafoi this was a deficit.

Parata was deeply unpopular personally - those votes went to Faafoi.
Quite a few National voters probably decided that they were better off
with Faafoin as their MP, but still wanted a National Government -
amessage to National if you like. But equally you could attribute the
electoral votes for Faafoi not translating into party votes as being
due to the Green Party, who would always expecttheeir party vote to
exceed their electoral vote.

Its complex; the result was that Parata went and Faafoi got in, which
the electorate clearly wanted, but National continued in government
despite more voters in the electorate voting for other parties.

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"Rich80105" <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:ek2jcb1dt226bb8opkd98gnf1hvh1gsqrd@4ax.com...

On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 21:19:41 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:

On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 09:41:15 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:

On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 20:52:34 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 22:11:20 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 17:29:50 UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com >>>>>wrote:

JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 16:51:09 UTC+13,
nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:

Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:

On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:22:56 +1300,
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Nick Smith doesn't seem to understand that it is not approriate >>>>>> >> >>to
have a public servant at a Natonal Party event, let alone charge >>>>>> >> >>the
taxpayers for that

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/76900787/taxpayer-paid-for-nick-smiths-press-secretary-at-national-party-dinner

So far Rich - I agree with you and Faafoi. It seems
inappropriate for
a press secretary to attend a 'private' and 'National Party'
function
let alone to incur expenses for doing so.

It seems quite a few Ministers are having private fund-raisers >>>>>> >> >>or
dinners where those coming to hear a political announcmenet are >>>>>> >> >>expected to pay for a meal - if not also be members of the
Party.

Where did you get this from? None of this was mentioned on the >>>>>> >> >article as far as I can see.

Previous governments have understood the need to keep a
distancebetween party and State - it is a sign of the arrogance >>>>>> >> >>and
third-term-itis that Smith doesn't understand. It is an even
bigger
sign of the danger Key believes he is in that he needs to take >>>>>> >> >>security details to National Party events . . .

Rich article you quoted is over a small amount but an important >>>>>> >> >principle. You have then taken this on to irrelevant political >>>>>> >> >rhetoric. I see Faafoi had the good sense to stick to the issue >>>>>> >> >(only) despite being a Labour MP.


--
Crash McBash

Faafoi seems to me to be a very good MP (he is not mine but I
wouldn't mind
at
all if he was), I have actually heard him on the radio acknowledge >>>>>> >> the
government doing something right. Even when he criticises them (as >>>>>> >> he is
entitled to) he is very professional and keeps to the point. I
wonder if he
is
someone that Labour should be grooming!
Tony

Faafoi is not union affiliated and is associated with Goff. From
that it seems
he's not going to last in today's Labour Party.

Entirely likely, what a shame that a party ignores quality because of >>>>>> historical garbage that is decades out of date! He is liked heaps by >>>>>> his
constituents because he listens to them and fights for them - wow! >>>>>> who would
have thought an MP would do that?

Rather unlike Andrew Little who simply cannot get himself elected in >>>>>the formerly red New Plymouth electorate and drops their vote every >>>>>time he stands.

Compared to that Faafoi has increased his electorate vote
substantially in 2014 vs 2011. Being up against a National Cabinet >>>>Minister (Parata) means that Faafoi has achieved against a
high-profile National candidate.

Interesting though that the party vote went to National in both >>>>elections. So Faafoi is outstrips Labour in popularity.

2014: National 14850
Labour plus Green Party 17,292

I'm sure you woulsd be happy with such a "win"in every electorate,
Crash.

Given that Andrew Little has had embarrassing results from New
Plymouth (Little and Labour both beaten by a mile in 2014) perhaps >>>>Little will look elsewhere in 2017?

Rich I am astonished that you consider the 2014 result in Mana a 'win'
for labour.

In electorate votes Faafoi got 19,651 but in the party vote Labour got >>12,601. For the Greens Jan Logie got 3024 and in the party vote the
Greens got 4,691. Parata (National) got 11,698 and National 14,850.

The result clearly shows that the Labour party candidate vastly
outscored his party. Equally the National and Green Parties outscored >>their individual candidates. The result is that the electorate
candidates received quite different levels of support to the parties
they represent - and for Faafoi this was a deficit.

Parata was deeply unpopular personally - those votes went to Faafoi.
Quite a few National voters probably decided that they were better off
with Faafoin as their MP, but still wanted a National Government -
amessage to National if you like. But equally you could attribute the electoral votes for Faafoi not translating into party votes as being
due to the Green Party, who would always expecttheeir party vote to
exceed their electoral vote.

Its complex; the result was that Parata went and Faafoi got in, which
the electorate clearly wanted, but National continued in government
despite more voters in the electorate voting for other parties.

You ignore the fact the electorate is a traditional Labour electorate that
is shifting position as so many have done since Clark lost in 2008.

Pooh

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