There was an ad for Kiwibank on recently that pretended to be a
marketer in Australia testing the idea of bringing an overseas bank to Australia - it probably went right over the heads of the far-right
nz.general nutters,
On Friday, 18 November 2016 11:00:59 UTC+13, Allistar wrote:If there had been one they would be without a party in this country!
Rich80105 wrote:
There was an ad for Kiwibank on recently that pretended to be a
marketer in Australia testing the idea of bringing an overseas bank to
Australia - it probably went right over the heads of the far-right
nz.general nutters,
At that piece of puerile ad hominem any further point you're trying to make >> is irrelevant.
I've never even seen a "far-right" posting in this ng.
--
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.
Rich80105 wrote:
There was an ad for Kiwibank on recently that pretended to be a
marketer in Australia testing the idea of bringing an overseas bank to Australia - it probably went right over the heads of the far-right nz.general nutters,
At that piece of puerile ad hominem any further point you're trying to make is irrelevant.
--
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.
On Friday, 18 November 2016 11:00:59 UTC+13, Allistar wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
There was an ad for Kiwibank on recently that pretended to be a
marketer in Australia testing the idea of bringing an overseas bank to
Australia - it probably went right over the heads of the far-right
nz.general nutters,
At that piece of puerile ad hominem any further point you're trying to make >> is irrelevant.
I've never even seen a "far-right" posting in this ng.
--
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.
There was an ad for Kiwibank on recently that pretended to be a
marketer in Australia testing the idea of bringing an overseas bank to Australia - it probably went right over the heads of the far-right
nz.general nutters, but the following sends a similar message in a
slightly different way: http://thespinoff.co.nz/economy/28-10-2016/the-new-economy-why-the-spinoff-teamed-up-with-kiwibank-to-ask-some-tough-questions/
There have been varous campaigns over the eyars to Buy New Zealand
products - well this shows that by buying banking services from
Kiwibank (or Heartland or Cooperative) we could benefit our country,
and ultimately ourlseves - its worth looking into at least!
Rich80105 wrote:
There was an ad for Kiwibank on recently that pretended to be a
marketer in Australia testing the idea of bringing an overseas bank to
Australia - it probably went right over the heads of the far-right
nz.general nutters,
At that piece of puerile ad hominem any further point you're trying to make >is irrelevant.
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:00:52 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
There was an ad for Kiwibank on recently that pretended to be a
marketer in Australia testing the idea of bringing an overseas bank to
Australia - it probably went right over the heads of the far-right
nz.general nutters,
At that piece of puerile ad hominem any further point you're trying to
make is irrelevant.
Just look at this then: http://thespinoff.co.nz/economy/28-10-2016/the-new-economy-why-the-spinoff-teamed-up-with-kiwibank-to-ask-some-tough-questions/
There was an ad for Kiwibank on recently that pretended to be a
marketer in Australia testing the idea of bringing an overseas bank to >Australia - it probably went right over the heads of the far-right
nz.general nutters,
but the following sends a similar message in a
slightly different way: >http://thespinoff.co.nz/economy/28-10-2016/the-new-economy-why-the-spinoff-teamed-up-with-kiwibank-to-ask-some-tough-questions/
There have been varous campaigns over the eyars to Buy New Zealand
products - well this shows that by buying banking services from
Kiwibank (or Heartland or Cooperative) we could benefit our country,
and ultimately ourlseves - its worth looking into at least!
Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:00:52 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
There was an ad for Kiwibank on recently that pretended to be a
marketer in Australia testing the idea of bringing an overseas bank to >>>> Australia - it probably went right over the heads of the far-right
nz.general nutters,
At that piece of puerile ad hominem any further point you're trying to
make is irrelevant.
Just look at this then:
http://thespinoff.co.nz/economy/28-10-2016/the-new-economy-why-the-spinoff-teamed-up-with-kiwibank-to-ask-some-tough-questions/
No thanks.
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 23:27:20 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
There was an ad for Kiwibank on recently that pretended to be a
marketer in Australia testing the idea of bringing an overseas bank to
Australia - it probably went right over the heads of the far-right
nz.general nutters,
Why make an insulting comment like that, Rich, when you are trying to
raise an issue?
but the following sends a similar message in a
slightly different way:
http://thespinoff.co.nz/economy/28-10-2016/the-new-economy-why-the-spinoff-teamed-up-with-kiwibank-to-ask-some-tough-questions/
There have been varous campaigns over the eyars to Buy New Zealand
products - well this shows that by buying banking services from
Kiwibank (or Heartland or Cooperative) we could benefit our country,
and ultimately ourlseves - its worth looking into at least!
You are correct Rich - it is worth looking at. However Kiwibank
originated as a directive to NZ Post by the Labour Government of the
day (around 2001) to start a bank. This directive stemmed from an
agreement between Labour and the Alliance (lead by Jim Anderton) to
form a coalition government. So NZ Post did not start Kiwibank as a
normal business opportunity.
It is interesting that to this day Kiwibank have failed to get the
business of its owner - Westpac is the Government's banker - further reinforcing that the dominant party in NZ Governments has never been committed to Kiwibank beyond political requirements or the retention
of the status quo. I can think of no other situation where the owner
of any business uses their biggest competitor in preference to the
business they (ultimately) own.
--
Crash McBash
On 18/11/2016 9:05 PM, Crash wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 23:27:20 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>The govt. doesn't use kiwibank because it's a toy bank; a bit like a
wrote:
There was an ad for Kiwibank on recently that pretended to be a
marketer in Australia testing the idea of bringing an overseas bank to
Australia - it probably went right over the heads of the far-right
nz.general nutters,
Why make an insulting comment like that, Rich, when you are trying to
raise an issue?
but the following sends a similar message in a
slightly different way:
http://thespinoff.co.nz/economy/28-10-2016/the-new-economy-why-the-spinoff-teamed-up-with-kiwibank-to-ask-some-tough-questions/
There have been varous campaigns over the eyars to Buy New Zealand
products - well this shows that by buying banking services from
Kiwibank (or Heartland or Cooperative) we could benefit our country,
and ultimately ourlseves - its worth looking into at least!
You are correct Rich - it is worth looking at. However Kiwibank
originated as a directive to NZ Post by the Labour Government of the
day (around 2001) to start a bank. This directive stemmed from an
agreement between Labour and the Alliance (lead by Jim Anderton) to
form a coalition government. So NZ Post did not start Kiwibank as a
normal business opportunity.
It is interesting that to this day Kiwibank have failed to get the
business of its owner - Westpac is the Government's banker - further
reinforcing that the dominant party in NZ Governments has never been
committed to Kiwibank beyond political requirements or the retention
of the status quo. I can think of no other situation where the owner
of any business uses their biggest competitor in preference to the
business they (ultimately) own.
--
Crash McBash
kid's piggy bank. Same reason as I use real banks.
On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 08:55:04 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 18/11/2016 9:05 PM, Crash wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 23:27:20 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>The govt. doesn't use kiwibank because it's a toy bank; a bit like a
wrote:
There was an ad for Kiwibank on recently that pretended to be a
marketer in Australia testing the idea of bringing an overseas bank to >>>> Australia - it probably went right over the heads of the far-right
nz.general nutters,
Why make an insulting comment like that, Rich, when you are trying to
raise an issue?
but the following sends a similar message in a
slightly different way:
http://thespinoff.co.nz/economy/28-10-2016/the-new-economy-why-the-spinoff-teamed-up-with-kiwibank-to-ask-some-tough-questions/
There have been varous campaigns over the eyars to Buy New Zealand
products - well this shows that by buying banking services from
Kiwibank (or Heartland or Cooperative) we could benefit our country,
and ultimately ourlseves - its worth looking into at least!
You are correct Rich - it is worth looking at. However Kiwibank
originated as a directive to NZ Post by the Labour Government of the
day (around 2001) to start a bank. This directive stemmed from an
agreement between Labour and the Alliance (lead by Jim Anderton) to
form a coalition government. So NZ Post did not start Kiwibank as a
normal business opportunity.
It is interesting that to this day Kiwibank have failed to get the
business of its owner - Westpac is the Government's banker - further
reinforcing that the dominant party in NZ Governments has never been
committed to Kiwibank beyond political requirements or the retention
of the status quo. I can think of no other situation where the owner
of any business uses their biggest competitor in preference to the
business they (ultimately) own.
--
Crash McBash
kid's piggy bank. Same reason as I use real banks.
The govoernment contract is largely for administration services - it
does not provide any significant funds under management. I don;t know
when Westpac got the contract, but it is quite a long time ago, when
Kiwibank was quite a bit smaller than it is now. It could also be
noted that the other major banks have not won the contract from
Westpac either - and neither they or Kiwibank are 'toy banks'.
On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 08:55:04 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 18/11/2016 9:05 PM, Crash wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 23:27:20 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>The govt. doesn't use kiwibank because it's a toy bank; a bit like a
wrote:
There was an ad for Kiwibank on recently that pretended to be a
marketer in Australia testing the idea of bringing an overseas bank to >>>> Australia - it probably went right over the heads of the far-right
nz.general nutters,
Why make an insulting comment like that, Rich, when you are trying to
raise an issue?
but the following sends a similar message in a
slightly different way:
http://thespinoff.co.nz/economy/28-10-2016/the-new-economy-why-the-spinoff-teamed-up-with-kiwibank-to-ask-some-tough-questions/
There have been varous campaigns over the eyars to Buy New Zealand
products - well this shows that by buying banking services from
Kiwibank (or Heartland or Cooperative) we could benefit our country,
and ultimately ourlseves - its worth looking into at least!
You are correct Rich - it is worth looking at. However Kiwibank
originated as a directive to NZ Post by the Labour Government of the
day (around 2001) to start a bank. This directive stemmed from an
agreement between Labour and the Alliance (lead by Jim Anderton) to
form a coalition government. So NZ Post did not start Kiwibank as a
normal business opportunity.
It is interesting that to this day Kiwibank have failed to get the
business of its owner - Westpac is the Government's banker - further
reinforcing that the dominant party in NZ Governments has never been
committed to Kiwibank beyond political requirements or the retention
of the status quo. I can think of no other situation where the owner
of any business uses their biggest competitor in preference to the
business they (ultimately) own.
--
Crash McBash
kid's piggy bank. Same reason as I use real banks.
The govoernment contract is largely for administration services - it
does not provide any significant funds under management. I don;t know
when Westpac got the contract, but it is quite a long time ago, when
Kiwibank was quite a bit smaller than it is now. It could also be
noted that the other major banks have not won the contract from
Westpac either - and neither they or Kiwibank are 'toy banks'.
On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 08:55:04 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 18/11/2016 9:05 PM, Crash wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 23:27:20 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>The govt. doesn't use kiwibank because it's a toy bank; a bit like a
wrote:
There was an ad for Kiwibank on recently that pretended to be a
marketer in Australia testing the idea of bringing an overseas bank to >>>> Australia - it probably went right over the heads of the far-right
nz.general nutters,
Why make an insulting comment like that, Rich, when you are trying to
raise an issue?
but the following sends a similar message in a
slightly different way:
http://thespinoff.co.nz/economy/28-10-2016/the-new-economy-why-the-spinoff-teamed-up-with-kiwibank-to-ask-some-tough-questions/
There have been varous campaigns over the eyars to Buy New Zealand
products - well this shows that by buying banking services from
Kiwibank (or Heartland or Cooperative) we could benefit our country,
and ultimately ourlseves - its worth looking into at least!
You are correct Rich - it is worth looking at. However Kiwibank
originated as a directive to NZ Post by the Labour Government of the
day (around 2001) to start a bank. This directive stemmed from an
agreement between Labour and the Alliance (lead by Jim Anderton) to
form a coalition government. So NZ Post did not start Kiwibank as a
normal business opportunity.
It is interesting that to this day Kiwibank have failed to get the
business of its owner - Westpac is the Government's banker - further
reinforcing that the dominant party in NZ Governments has never been
committed to Kiwibank beyond political requirements or the retention
of the status quo. I can think of no other situation where the owner
of any business uses their biggest competitor in preference to the
business they (ultimately) own.
--
Crash McBash
kid's piggy bank. Same reason as I use real banks.
The govoernment contract is largely for administration services - it
does not provide any significant funds under management. I don;t know
when Westpac got the contract, but it is quite a long time ago, when
Kiwibank was quite a bit smaller than it is now. It could also be
noted that the other major banks have not won the contract from
Westpac either - and neither they or Kiwibank are 'toy banks'.
On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 08:55:04 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 18/11/2016 9:05 PM, Crash wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 23:27:20 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>The govt. doesn't use kiwibank because it's a toy bank; a bit like a
wrote:
There was an ad for Kiwibank on recently that pretended to be a
marketer in Australia testing the idea of bringing an overseas bank to >>>> Australia - it probably went right over the heads of the far-right
nz.general nutters,
Why make an insulting comment like that, Rich, when you are trying to
raise an issue?
but the following sends a similar message in a
slightly different way:
http://thespinoff.co.nz/economy/28-10-2016/the-new-economy-why-the-spinoff-teamed-up-with-kiwibank-to-ask-some-tough-questions/
There have been varous campaigns over the eyars to Buy New Zealand
products - well this shows that by buying banking services from
Kiwibank (or Heartland or Cooperative) we could benefit our country,
and ultimately ourlseves - its worth looking into at least!
You are correct Rich - it is worth looking at. However Kiwibank
originated as a directive to NZ Post by the Labour Government of the
day (around 2001) to start a bank. This directive stemmed from an
agreement between Labour and the Alliance (lead by Jim Anderton) to
form a coalition government. So NZ Post did not start Kiwibank as a
normal business opportunity.
It is interesting that to this day Kiwibank have failed to get the
business of its owner - Westpac is the Government's banker - further
reinforcing that the dominant party in NZ Governments has never been
committed to Kiwibank beyond political requirements or the retention
of the status quo. I can think of no other situation where the owner
of any business uses their biggest competitor in preference to the
business they (ultimately) own.
--
Crash McBash
kid's piggy bank. Same reason as I use real banks.
The govoernment contract is largely for administration services - it
does not provide any significant funds under management. I don;t know
when Westpac got the contract, but it is quite a long time ago, when
Kiwibank was quite a bit smaller than it is now. It could also be
noted that the other major banks have not won the contract from
Westpac either - and neither they or Kiwibank are 'toy banks'.
On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 12:44:00 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 08:55:04 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 18/11/2016 9:05 PM, Crash wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 23:27:20 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>The govt. doesn't use kiwibank because it's a toy bank; a bit like a >>>kid's piggy bank. Same reason as I use real banks.
wrote:
There was an ad for Kiwibank on recently that pretended to be a
marketer in Australia testing the idea of bringing an overseas bank to >>>>> Australia - it probably went right over the heads of the far-right
nz.general nutters,
Why make an insulting comment like that, Rich, when you are trying to
raise an issue?
but the following sends a similar message in a
slightly different way:
http://thespinoff.co.nz/economy/28-10-2016/the-new-economy-why-the-spinoff-teamed-up-with-kiwibank-to-ask-some-tough-questions/
There have been varous campaigns over the eyars to Buy New Zealand
products - well this shows that by buying banking services from
Kiwibank (or Heartland or Cooperative) we could benefit our country, >>>>> and ultimately ourlseves - its worth looking into at least!
You are correct Rich - it is worth looking at. However Kiwibank
originated as a directive to NZ Post by the Labour Government of the
day (around 2001) to start a bank. This directive stemmed from an
agreement between Labour and the Alliance (lead by Jim Anderton) to
form a coalition government. So NZ Post did not start Kiwibank as a
normal business opportunity.
It is interesting that to this day Kiwibank have failed to get the
business of its owner - Westpac is the Government's banker - further
reinforcing that the dominant party in NZ Governments has never been
committed to Kiwibank beyond political requirements or the retention
of the status quo. I can think of no other situation where the owner
of any business uses their biggest competitor in preference to the
business they (ultimately) own.
--
Crash McBash
The govoernment contract is largely for administration services - it
does not provide any significant funds under management. I don;t know
when Westpac got the contract, but it is quite a long time ago, when >>Kiwibank was quite a bit smaller than it is now. It could also be
noted that the other major banks have not won the contract from
Westpac either - and neither they or Kiwibank are 'toy banks'.
Labour directed NZ Post to get Kiwibank established. If there was any >enduring commitment by Labour of the day to Kiwibank it would surely
have insisted that the establishment include provision for it to act
as its owner's banker. It did not.
There were and are plenty of options for those looking for a bank
totally NZ-owned - for whatever the need. The Alliance has been and
gone and so has the Jim Anderton Progressive Party so the reason
Kiwibank was established is long gone. Kiwibank has not been a
commercial success in that it has failed to attract customers away
from the overseas-owned banks. It really is time to sell Kiwibank to
one of the other NZ-owned banks - unless its commercial value is too
low.
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 12:44:00 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 08:55:04 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 18/11/2016 9:05 PM, Crash wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 23:27:20 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>> wrote:The govt. doesn't use kiwibank because it's a toy bank; a bit like a >>>>kid's piggy bank. Same reason as I use real banks.
There was an ad for Kiwibank on recently that pretended to be a
marketer in Australia testing the idea of bringing an overseas bank >>>>>> to Australia - it probably went right over the heads of the far-right >>>>>> nz.general nutters,
Why make an insulting comment like that, Rich, when you are trying to >>>>> raise an issue?
but the following sends a similar message in a
slightly different way:
http://thespinoff.co.nz/economy/28-10-2016/the-new-economy-why-the-spinoff-teamed-up-with-kiwibank-to-ask-some-tough-questions/
There have been varous campaigns over the eyars to Buy New Zealand >>>>>> products - well this shows that by buying banking services from
Kiwibank (or Heartland or Cooperative) we could benefit our country, >>>>>> and ultimately ourlseves - its worth looking into at least!
You are correct Rich - it is worth looking at. However Kiwibank
originated as a directive to NZ Post by the Labour Government of the >>>>> day (around 2001) to start a bank. This directive stemmed from an
agreement between Labour and the Alliance (lead by Jim Anderton) to
form a coalition government. So NZ Post did not start Kiwibank as a >>>>> normal business opportunity.
It is interesting that to this day Kiwibank have failed to get the
business of its owner - Westpac is the Government's banker - further >>>>> reinforcing that the dominant party in NZ Governments has never been >>>>> committed to Kiwibank beyond political requirements or the retention >>>>> of the status quo. I can think of no other situation where the owner >>>>> of any business uses their biggest competitor in preference to the
business they (ultimately) own.
--
Crash McBash
The govoernment contract is largely for administration services - it
does not provide any significant funds under management. I don;t know >>>when Westpac got the contract, but it is quite a long time ago, when >>>Kiwibank was quite a bit smaller than it is now. It could also be
noted that the other major banks have not won the contract from
Westpac either - and neither they or Kiwibank are 'toy banks'.
Labour directed NZ Post to get Kiwibank established. If there was any >>enduring commitment by Labour of the day to Kiwibank it would surely
have insisted that the establishment include provision for it to act
as its owner's banker. It did not.
There were and are plenty of options for those looking for a bank
totally NZ-owned - for whatever the need. The Alliance has been and
gone and so has the Jim Anderton Progressive Party so the reason
Kiwibank was established is long gone. Kiwibank has not been a
commercial success in that it has failed to attract customers away
from the overseas-owned banks. It really is time to sell Kiwibank to
one of the other NZ-owned banks - unless its commercial value is too
low.
The problem is that the commercial banks don't want the sort of person
who uses Kiwi Bank. Where would they go to??
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 12:44:00 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 08:55:04 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 18/11/2016 9:05 PM, Crash wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 23:27:20 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>> wrote:The govt. doesn't use kiwibank because it's a toy bank; a bit like a
There was an ad for Kiwibank on recently that pretended to be a
marketer in Australia testing the idea of bringing an overseas bank to >>>>>> Australia - it probably went right over the heads of the far-right >>>>>> nz.general nutters,
Why make an insulting comment like that, Rich, when you are trying to >>>>> raise an issue?
but the following sends a similar message in a
slightly different way:
http://thespinoff.co.nz/economy/28-10-2016/the-new-economy-why-the-spinoff-teamed-up-with-kiwibank-to-ask-some-tough-questions/
There have been varous campaigns over the eyars to Buy New Zealand >>>>>> products - well this shows that by buying banking services from
Kiwibank (or Heartland or Cooperative) we could benefit our country, >>>>>> and ultimately ourlseves - its worth looking into at least!
You are correct Rich - it is worth looking at. However Kiwibank
originated as a directive to NZ Post by the Labour Government of the >>>>> day (around 2001) to start a bank. This directive stemmed from an
agreement between Labour and the Alliance (lead by Jim Anderton) to
form a coalition government. So NZ Post did not start Kiwibank as a >>>>> normal business opportunity.
It is interesting that to this day Kiwibank have failed to get the
business of its owner - Westpac is the Government's banker - further >>>>> reinforcing that the dominant party in NZ Governments has never been >>>>> committed to Kiwibank beyond political requirements or the retention >>>>> of the status quo. I can think of no other situation where the owner >>>>> of any business uses their biggest competitor in preference to the
business they (ultimately) own.
--
Crash McBash
kid's piggy bank. Same reason as I use real banks.
The govoernment contract is largely for administration services - it
does not provide any significant funds under management. I don;t know
when Westpac got the contract, but it is quite a long time ago, when
Kiwibank was quite a bit smaller than it is now. It could also be
noted that the other major banks have not won the contract from
Westpac either - and neither they or Kiwibank are 'toy banks'.
Labour directed NZ Post to get Kiwibank established. If there was any
enduring commitment by Labour of the day to Kiwibank it would surely
have insisted that the establishment include provision for it to act
as its owner's banker. It did not.
There were and are plenty of options for those looking for a bank
totally NZ-owned - for whatever the need. The Alliance has been and
gone and so has the Jim Anderton Progressive Party so the reason
Kiwibank was established is long gone. Kiwibank has not been a
commercial success in that it has failed to attract customers away
from the overseas-owned banks. It really is time to sell Kiwibank to
one of the other NZ-owned banks - unless its commercial value is too
low.
The problem is that the commercial banks don't want the sort of person
who uses Kiwi Bank. Where would they go to??
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