• Re: National's policy - Hit em when they are down

    From Allistar@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, February 16, 2016 15:10:25
    Rich80105 wrote:

    but why they want to apply that to stressesd New Zealanders in
    Christchurch is a mystery - I guess a few lives lost in Christchurch
    are worth it to Key and English to get a little off the top tax rate .

    Has there been a policy announcement that only the top tax rate will be cut?
    If not, why do you mention "top tax rate" and not just "tax rate"?
    --
    "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
    creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, February 16, 2016 15:00:33
    but why they want to apply that to stressesd New Zealanders in
    Christchurch is a mystery - I guess a few lives lost in Christchurch
    are worth it to Key and English to get a little off the top tax rate .
    . . http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/76850687/canterburys-mental-health-funding-to-be-cut.html

    and for a comment on the problems of services generally: http://thestandard.org.nz/more-blood-on-its-hands-as-national-ltdcuts-mental-health-funding-in-christchurch/

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, February 16, 2016 15:51:21
    On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:10:25 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 wrote:

    but why they want to apply that to stressesd New Zealanders in
    Christchurch is a mystery - I guess a few lives lost in Christchurch
    are worth it to Key and English to get a little off the top tax rate .

    Has there been a policy announcement that only the top tax rate will be cut? >If not, why do you mention "top tax rate" and not just "tax rate"?

    Because there is more than one rate,and the focus of the 'selling' of
    tax cuts is to appeal to their base, who benefit from cuts to the top
    tax rate.

    Do you agree with them cutting funding for mental health in
    Christchurch?

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  • From Fred@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, February 16, 2016 15:58:43
    On 16/02/2016 3:51 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:10:25 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 wrote:

    but why they want to apply that to stressesd New Zealanders in
    Christchurch is a mystery - I guess a few lives lost in Christchurch
    are worth it to Key and English to get a little off the top tax rate .

    Has there been a policy announcement that only the top tax rate will be cut? >> If not, why do you mention "top tax rate" and not just "tax rate"?

    Because there is more than one rate,and the focus of the 'selling' of
    tax cuts is to appeal to their base, who benefit from cuts to the top
    tax rate.

    Do you agree with them cutting funding for mental health in
    Christchurch?

    You're a sad sad man.

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  • From Tony @3:770/3 to Fred on Monday, February 15, 2016 21:04:00
    Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 16/02/2016 3:51 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:10:25 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 wrote:

    but why they want to apply that to stressesd New Zealanders in
    Christchurch is a mystery - I guess a few lives lost in Christchurch
    are worth it to Key and English to get a little off the top tax rate .

    Has there been a policy announcement that only the top tax rate will be cut?
    If not, why do you mention "top tax rate" and not just "tax rate"?

    Because there is more than one rate,and the focus of the 'selling' of
    tax cuts is to appeal to their base, who benefit from cuts to the top
    tax rate.

    Do you agree with them cutting funding for mental health in
    Christchurch?

    You're a sad sad man.
    I hope he doesn't live in Christchurch (in fact I am sure that he doesn't!) because he needs all the mental health help he can get!
    Tony

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  • From Fred@3:770/3 to Tony on Tuesday, February 16, 2016 16:25:13
    On 16/02/2016 4:04 p.m., Tony wrote:
    Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 16/02/2016 3:51 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:10:25 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 wrote:

    but why they want to apply that to stressesd New Zealanders in
    Christchurch is a mystery - I guess a few lives lost in Christchurch >>>>> are worth it to Key and English to get a little off the top tax rate . >>>>
    Has there been a policy announcement that only the top tax rate will be cut?
    If not, why do you mention "top tax rate" and not just "tax rate"?

    Because there is more than one rate,and the focus of the 'selling' of
    tax cuts is to appeal to their base, who benefit from cuts to the top
    tax rate.

    Do you agree with them cutting funding for mental health in
    Christchurch?

    You're a sad sad man.
    I hope he doesn't live in Christchurch (in fact I am sure that he doesn't!) because he needs all the mental health help he can get!
    Tony


    Paranoia. Spends all day and every day worrying about the John Key and
    the National party - trolling through every publication know to man and
    if he can't find anything detrimental to post here, he puts a spin on to
    make the good sound like dog shit. Difficult condition to cure. Biggest
    problem is getting them to stay on medication. Often they don't even
    trust that.

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  • From Crash@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, February 16, 2016 16:25:34
    On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:00:33 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    but why they want to apply that to stressesd New Zealanders in
    Christchurch is a mystery - I guess a few lives lost in Christchurch
    are worth it to Key and English to get a little off the top tax rate .
    . . >http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/76850687/canterburys-mental-health-funding-to-be-cut.html

    [snip]

    The article was not about mental health as such but funding of the
    Canterbury DHB and the likely impact on its mental health obligations.
    As a taxpayer I am comfortable that each DHB faces scrutiny of their
    funding and I am also comfortable with an article like this seeking to
    expose funding issues.

    This is not 'hit em when they are down'. There is nothing being done
    by the National party as the subject Rich has chosen implies. It is
    normal financial performance scrutiny.


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    Crash McBash

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  • From Allistar@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, February 16, 2016 19:25:40
    Rich80105 wrote:

    On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:10:25 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 wrote:

    but why they want to apply that to stressesd New Zealanders in
    Christchurch is a mystery - I guess a few lives lost in Christchurch
    are worth it to Key and English to get a little off the top tax rate .

    Has there been a policy announcement that only the top tax rate will be >>cut? If not, why do you mention "top tax rate" and not just "tax rate"?

    Because there is more than one rate, and the focus of the 'selling' of
    tax cuts is to appeal to their base, who benefit from cuts to the top
    tax rate.

    That doesn't make sense. If they plan to cut all tax rates then it's
    dishonest to imply that they're only going to cut the top tax rate.

    Do you agree with them cutting funding for mental health in
    Christchurch?

    I am not familiar enough with this policy to comment.
    --
    "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
    creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Wednesday, February 17, 2016 09:33:12
    On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 16:25:34 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:00:33 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    but why they want to apply that to stressesd New Zealanders in
    Christchurch is a mystery - I guess a few lives lost in Christchurch
    are worth it to Key and English to get a little off the top tax rate .
    . . >>http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/76850687/canterburys-mental-health-funding-to-be-cut.html

    [snip]

    The article was not about mental health as such but funding of the
    Canterbury DHB and the likely impact on its mental health obligations.
    As a taxpayer I am comfortable that each DHB faces scrutiny of their
    funding and I am also comfortable with an article like this seeking to
    expose funding issues.

    This is not 'hit em when they are down'. There is nothing being done
    by the National party as the subject Rich has chosen implies. It is
    normal financial performance scrutiny.

    You have identified the problem Crash - "There is nothing being done
    by the National party" - despite evidence of growing problems in
    Christchurch they are putting tax cuts ahead of looking after New
    Zealanders; they are determined not to intervene to fund an
    understandable increase in requirements for services.

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to Allistar on Friday, February 19, 2016 22:04:57
    "Allistar" <me@hiddenaddress.com> wrote in message news:MeWdnRsQu7-PGF_LnZ2dnUU7-Y_OydjZ@giganews.com...
    Rich80105 wrote:

    but why they want to apply that to stressesd New Zealanders in
    Christchurch is a mystery - I guess a few lives lost in Christchurch
    are worth it to Key and English to get a little off the top tax rate .

    Has there been a policy announcement that only the top tax rate will be
    cut?
    If not, why do you mention "top tax rate" and not just "tax rate"?
    --
    "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

    It's Rich. He doesn't like being honest about National policys. Or for that matter Labour policys :)

    Pooh

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to Fred on Friday, February 19, 2016 22:06:30
    "Fred" <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:n9u33k$21n$1@dont-email.me...
    On 16/02/2016 3:51 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:10:25 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 wrote:

    but why they want to apply that to stressesd New Zealanders in
    Christchurch is a mystery - I guess a few lives lost in Christchurch
    are worth it to Key and English to get a little off the top tax rate .

    Has there been a policy announcement that only the top tax rate will be
    cut?
    If not, why do you mention "top tax rate" and not just "tax rate"?

    Because there is more than one rate,and the focus of the 'selling' of
    tax cuts is to appeal to their base, who benefit from cuts to the top
    tax rate.

    Do you agree with them cutting funding for mental health in
    Christchurch?

    You're a sad sad man.

    Who desperatly needs help with his phsycological problems. Probably explains why he's worried about cuts to psych services.

    Pooh

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to All on Friday, February 19, 2016 22:07:51
    "Tony" <lizandtony at orcon dot net dot nz> wrote in message news:part1of1.1.AyPRkUxtzE1Axg@ue.ph...
    Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 16/02/2016 3:51 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:10:25 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 wrote:

    but why they want to apply that to stressesd New Zealanders in
    Christchurch is a mystery - I guess a few lives lost in Christchurch >>>>> are worth it to Key and English to get a little off the top tax rate . >>>>
    Has there been a policy announcement that only the top tax rate will be >>>> cut?
    If not, why do you mention "top tax rate" and not just "tax rate"?

    Because there is more than one rate,and the focus of the 'selling' of
    tax cuts is to appeal to their base, who benefit from cuts to the top
    tax rate.

    Do you agree with them cutting funding for mental health in
    Christchurch?

    You're a sad sad man.
    I hope he doesn't live in Christchurch (in fact I am sure that he
    doesn't!)
    because he needs all the mental health help he can get!
    Tony


    Wellington according to one of the Richies. Though considering his truthfullness I'd take that with a LARGE grain of salt.

    Pooh

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Friday, February 19, 2016 22:10:09
    "Rich80105" <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:fp17cbp5v82fsqbtoth34gv9rj4uk9a40b@4ax.com...
    On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 16:25:34 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:00:33 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    but why they want to apply that to stressesd New Zealanders in >>>Christchurch is a mystery - I guess a few lives lost in Christchurch
    are worth it to Key and English to get a little off the top tax rate .
    . . >>>http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/76850687/canterburys-mental-health-funding-to-be-cut.html

    [snip]

    The article was not about mental health as such but funding of the >>Canterbury DHB and the likely impact on its mental health obligations.
    As a taxpayer I am comfortable that each DHB faces scrutiny of their >>funding and I am also comfortable with an article like this seeking to >>expose funding issues.

    This is not 'hit em when they are down'. There is nothing being done
    by the National party as the subject Rich has chosen implies. It is
    normal financial performance scrutiny.

    You have identified the problem Crash - "There is nothing being done
    by the National party" - despite evidence of growing problems in
    Christchurch they are putting tax cuts ahead of looking after New
    Zealanders; they are determined not to intervene to fund an
    understandable increase in requirements for services.

    You sad, sad, widdle troll Rich. Twist as much as you like. You LIED! For purely polical purposes so typical of the troll you are Rich.

    Pooh

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  • From Crash@3:770/3 to All on Saturday, February 20, 2016 12:56:42
    On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 09:33:12 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 16:25:34 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:00:33 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    but why they want to apply that to stressesd New Zealanders in >>>Christchurch is a mystery - I guess a few lives lost in Christchurch
    are worth it to Key and English to get a little off the top tax rate .
    . . >>>http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/76850687/canterburys-mental-health-funding-to-be-cut.html

    [snip]

    The article was not about mental health as such but funding of the >>Canterbury DHB and the likely impact on its mental health obligations.
    As a taxpayer I am comfortable that each DHB faces scrutiny of their >>funding and I am also comfortable with an article like this seeking to >>expose funding issues.

    This is not 'hit em when they are down'. There is nothing being done
    by the National party as the subject Rich has chosen implies. It is
    normal financial performance scrutiny.

    You have identified the problem Crash - "There is nothing being done
    by the National party" - despite evidence of growing problems in
    Christchurch they are putting tax cuts ahead of looking after New
    Zealanders; they are determined not to intervene to fund an
    understandable increase in requirements for services.

    The article you cite did not mention tax cuts and although National
    have signaled an intent to cut income taxes this future intent has no
    direct connection to the current funding issues faced by the
    Canterbury DHB under scrutiny in the article.

    Here is a key statement that puts the situation in context:

    "However, the Ministry of Health continues to argue Canterbury's
    access rates for mental health were low pre-quake and money can be
    found within their current funding."

    The rest of the article covers various viewpoints on CCHDB funding.
    There is nothing to suggest anything of political importance here -
    simply that CCHDB funding (like all taxpayer-funded activities) is
    under scrutiny. You are attempting to make political capital out of
    this scrutiny simply because it gives you an angle to attack National.
    Your motivation is political, as it would be if National raised taxes
    to increase CCHDB funding.


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    Crash McBash

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