wrote:
http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/86535472/convicted-murderer-phillip-john-smith-sues-corrections-over-confiscated-hairpiece
He has suffered a loss of dignity, apparently!
Well, what about the boy he abused and the man he killed?
In addition to losing the privilege of voting (which I believe he and
other criminals should lose), I think he should lose the right to private
litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges!
Tony
They're having a court case over a wig? FFS, what a waste.
http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/86535472/convicted-murderer-phillip-john-smith-sues-corrections-over-confiscated-hairpiece
He has suffered a loss of dignity, apparently!
Well, what about the boy he abused and the man he killed?
In addition to losing the privilege of voting (which I believe he and
other criminals should lose), I think he should lose the right to private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges!
Tony
On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 22:39:17 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
wrote:
http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/86535472/convicted-murderer-phillip-john-smith-sues-corrections-over-confiscated-hairpiece
He has suffered a loss of dignity, apparently!
Well, what about the boy he abused and the man he killed?
In addition to losing the privilege of voting (which I believe he and
other criminals should lose), I think he should lose the right to
private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges!
Tony
They're having a court case over a wig? FFS, what a waste.
Ignore it Allistar - Tony is just being a troll - if the case is
deemed vexatious Smith could end up paying for Crown costs, but it is unlikely to take much time. Tony is trying to do a Trump by ignoring
the principles of Justice.
Rich80105 wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 22:39:17 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
wrote:
http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/86535472/convicted-murderer-phillip-john-smith-sues-corrections-over-confiscated-hairpiece
He has suffered a loss of dignity, apparently!
Well, what about the boy he abused and the man he killed?
In addition to losing the privilege of voting (which I believe he and
other criminals should lose), I think he should lose the right to
private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges!
Tony
They're having a court case over a wig? FFS, what a waste.
Ignore it Allistar - Tony is just being a troll - if the case is
deemed vexatious Smith could end up paying for Crown costs, but it is unlikely to take much time. Tony is trying to do a Trump by ignoring
the principles of Justice.
Ad hominem attacks aren't needed Rich. You can do better.
--
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.
wrote:
http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/86535472/convicted-murderer-phillip-john-smith-sues-corrections-over-confiscated-hairpiece
He has suffered a loss of dignity, apparently!
Well, what about the boy he abused and the man he killed?
In addition to losing the privilege of voting (which I believe he and
other criminals should lose), I think he should lose the right to private
litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges!
Tony
They're having a court case over a wig? FFS, what a waste.
On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 22:39:17 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>My goodness you really do get upset when I call you out for lying and for accusing a minister of covering up a homicide don't you.
wrote:
wrote:
He has suffered a loss of dignity, apparently!http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/86535472/convicted-murderer-phillip-john-smith-sues-corrections-over-confiscated-hairpiece
Well, what about the boy he abused and the man he killed?
In addition to losing the privilege of voting (which I believe he and
other criminals should lose), I think he should lose the right to private >>> litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges!
Tony
They're having a court case over a wig? FFS, what a waste.
Ignore it Allistar - Tony is just being a troll - if the case is
deemed vexatious Smith could end up paying for Crown costs, but it is >unlikely to take much time. Tony is trying to do a Trump by ignoring
the principles of Justice.
Rich80105 wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 22:39:17 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
wrote:
http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/86535472/convicted-murderer-phillip-john-smith-sues-corrections-over-confiscated-hairpiece
He has suffered a loss of dignity, apparently!
Well, what about the boy he abused and the man he killed?
In addition to losing the privilege of voting (which I believe he and
other criminals should lose), I think he should lose the right to
private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges!
Tony
They're having a court case over a wig? FFS, what a waste.
Ignore it Allistar - Tony is just being a troll - if the case is
deemed vexatious Smith could end up paying for Crown costs, but it is
unlikely to take much time. Tony is trying to do a Trump by ignoring
the principles of Justice.
Ad hominem attacks aren't needed Rich. You can do better.
On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 22:39:17 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
wrote:
http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/86535472/convicted-murderer-phillip-john-smith-sues-corrections-over-confiscated-hairpiece
He has suffered a loss of dignity, apparently!
Well, what about the boy he abused and the man he killed?
In addition to losing the privilege of voting (which I believe he and
other criminals should lose), I think he should lose the right to private >>> litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges!
Tony
They're having a court case over a wig? FFS, what a waste.
Ignore it Allistar - Tony is just being a troll - if the case is
deemed vexatious Smith could end up paying for Crown costs, but it is unlikely to take much time. Tony is trying to do a Trump by ignoring
the principles of Justice.
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 05:00:57 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 22:39:17 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
wrote:
http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/86535472/convicted-murderer-phillip-john-smith-sues-corrections-over-confiscated-hairpiece
He has suffered a loss of dignity, apparently!
Well, what about the boy he abused and the man he killed?
In addition to losing the privilege of voting (which I believe he and >>>>> other criminals should lose), I think he should lose the right to
private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges!
Tony
They're having a court case over a wig? FFS, what a waste.
Ignore it Allistar - Tony is just being a troll - if the case is
deemed vexatious Smith could end up paying for Crown costs, but it is
unlikely to take much time. Tony is trying to do a Trump by ignoring
the principles of Justice.
Ad hominem attacks aren't needed Rich. You can do better.
In effect Tony is trying to conpeople into agreeing that any action, including physical abuse / torture, is or should be acceptable for
people convicted of any offence. A penalty in relatin to any crime
does not remove all human rights. Inadvertant trolls are just
ignorant, deliberate trolls are vexatious
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 05:00:57 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 22:39:17 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
wrote:
http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/86535472/convicted-murderer-phillip-john-smith-sues-corrections-over-confiscated-hairpiece
He has suffered a loss of dignity, apparently!
Well, what about the boy he abused and the man he killed?
In addition to losing the privilege of voting (which I believe he and >>>>> other criminals should lose), I think he should lose the right to
private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges!
Tony
They're having a court case over a wig? FFS, what a waste.
Ignore it Allistar - Tony is just being a troll - if the case is
deemed vexatious Smith could end up paying for Crown costs, but it is
unlikely to take much time. Tony is trying to do a Trump by ignoring
the principles of Justice.
Ad hominem attacks aren't needed Rich. You can do better.
In effect Tony is trying to conpeople into agreeing that any action, including physical abuse / torture, is or should be acceptable for
people convicted of any offence.
A penalty in relatin to any crime
does not remove all human rights. Inadvertant trolls are just
ignorant, deliberate trolls are vexatious
Rich80105 wrote:No, but Tony is saying that no laws should apply to prisoners in
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 05:00:57 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 22:39:17 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
wrote:
http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/86535472/convicted-murderer-phillip-john-smith-sues-corrections-over-confiscated-hairpiece
He has suffered a loss of dignity, apparently!
Well, what about the boy he abused and the man he killed?
In addition to losing the privilege of voting (which I believe he and >>>>>> other criminals should lose), I think he should lose the right to
private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges!
Tony
They're having a court case over a wig? FFS, what a waste.
Ignore it Allistar - Tony is just being a troll - if the case is
deemed vexatious Smith could end up paying for Crown costs, but it is
unlikely to take much time. Tony is trying to do a Trump by ignoring
the principles of Justice.
Ad hominem attacks aren't needed Rich. You can do better.
In effect Tony is trying to conpeople into agreeing that any action,
including physical abuse / torture, is or should be acceptable for
people convicted of any offence.
No he's not. Are you saying the denying someone a hair piece constitutes >torture?
A penalty in relatin to any crime
does not remove all human rights. Inadvertant trolls are just
ignorant, deliberate trolls are vexatious
Is that a mirror you've found?
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:05:06 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>No I am not you stupid old man.
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:No, but Tony is saying that no laws should apply to prisoners in
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 05:00:57 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 22:39:17 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
wrote:
He has suffered a loss of dignity, apparently!http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/86535472/convicted-murderer-phillip-john-smith-sues-corrections-over-confiscated-hairpiece
Well, what about the boy he abused and the man he killed?
In addition to losing the privilege of voting (which I believe he and >>>>>>> other criminals should lose), I think he should lose the right to >>>>>>> private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges!
Tony
They're having a court case over a wig? FFS, what a waste.
Ignore it Allistar - Tony is just being a troll - if the case is
deemed vexatious Smith could end up paying for Crown costs, but it is >>>>> unlikely to take much time. Tony is trying to do a Trump by ignoring >>>>> the principles of Justice.
Ad hominem attacks aren't needed Rich. You can do better.
In effect Tony is trying to conpeople into agreeing that any action,
including physical abuse / torture, is or should be acceptable for
people convicted of any offence.
No he's not. Are you saying the denying someone a hair piece constitutes >>torture?
custody.
A penalty in relatin to any crime
does not remove all human rights. Inadvertant trolls are just
ignorant, deliberate trolls are vexatious
Is that a mirror you've found?
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:05:06 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 05:00:57 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 22:39:17 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
wrote:
http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/86535472/convicted-murderer-phillip-john-smith-sues-corrections-over-confiscated-hairpiece
He has suffered a loss of dignity, apparently!
Well, what about the boy he abused and the man he killed?
In addition to losing the privilege of voting (which I believe he >>>>>>> and other criminals should lose), I think he should lose the right >>>>>>> to private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges!
Tony
They're having a court case over a wig? FFS, what a waste.
Ignore it Allistar - Tony is just being a troll - if the case is
deemed vexatious Smith could end up paying for Crown costs, but it is >>>>> unlikely to take much time. Tony is trying to do a Trump by ignoring >>>>> the principles of Justice.
Ad hominem attacks aren't needed Rich. You can do better.
In effect Tony is trying to conpeople into agreeing that any action,
including physical abuse / torture, is or should be acceptable for
people convicted of any offence.
No he's not. Are you saying the denying someone a hair piece constitutes >>torture?
No, but Tony is saying that no laws should apply to prisoners in
custody.
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:05:06 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>Rich starts losing and immediately the silliest and stupidest lies start flowing....
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:No, but Tony is saying that no laws should apply to prisoners in
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 05:00:57 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 22:39:17 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
wrote:
http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/86535472/convicted-murderer-phillip-john-smith-sues-corrections-over-confiscated-hairpiece
He has suffered a loss of dignity, apparently!
Well, what about the boy he abused and the man he killed?
In addition to losing the privilege of voting (which I believe he and >>>>>>> other criminals should lose), I think he should lose the right to >>>>>>> private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges!
Tony
They're having a court case over a wig? FFS, what a waste.
Ignore it Allistar - Tony is just being a troll - if the case is
deemed vexatious Smith could end up paying for Crown costs, but it is >>>>> unlikely to take much time. Tony is trying to do a Trump by ignoring >>>>> the principles of Justice.
Ad hominem attacks aren't needed Rich. You can do better.
In effect Tony is trying to conpeople into agreeing that any action,
including physical abuse / torture, is or should be acceptable for
people convicted of any offence.
No he's not. Are you saying the denying someone a hair piece constitutes
torture?
custody.
A penalty in relatin to any crime
does not remove all human rights. Inadvertant trolls are just
ignorant, deliberate trolls are vexatious
Is that a mirror you've found?
Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:05:06 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 05:00:57 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 22:39:17 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>>>>> wrote:
wrote:
http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/86535472/convicted-murderer-phillip-john-smith-sues-corrections-over-confiscated-hairpiece
He has suffered a loss of dignity, apparently!
Well, what about the boy he abused and the man he killed?
In addition to losing the privilege of voting (which I believe he >>>>>>>> and other criminals should lose), I think he should lose the right >>>>>>>> to private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges!
Tony
They're having a court case over a wig? FFS, what a waste.
Ignore it Allistar - Tony is just being a troll - if the case is
deemed vexatious Smith could end up paying for Crown costs, but it is >>>>>> unlikely to take much time. Tony is trying to do a Trump by ignoring >>>>>> the principles of Justice.
Ad hominem attacks aren't needed Rich. You can do better.
In effect Tony is trying to conpeople into agreeing that any action,
including physical abuse / torture, is or should be acceptable for
people convicted of any offence.
No he's not. Are you saying the denying someone a hair piece constitutes >>>torture?
No, but Tony is saying that no laws should apply to prisoners in
custody.
Tony has said nothing of the sort. You're being extremely dishonest Rich.
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 20:07:41 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>You are wrong again.
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:05:06 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 05:00:57 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 22:39:17 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
wrote:
He has suffered a loss of dignity, apparently!http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/86535472/convicted-murderer-phillip-john-smith-sues-corrections-over-confiscated-hairpiece
Well, what about the boy he abused and the man he killed?
In addition to losing the privilege of voting (which I believe he >>>>>>>>> and other criminals should lose), I think he should lose the right >>>>>>>>> to private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges!
Tony
They're having a court case over a wig? FFS, what a waste.
Ignore it Allistar - Tony is just being a troll - if the case is >>>>>>> deemed vexatious Smith could end up paying for Crown costs, but it is >>>>>>> unlikely to take much time. Tony is trying to do a Trump by ignoring >>>>>>> the principles of Justice.
Ad hominem attacks aren't needed Rich. You can do better.
In effect Tony is trying to conpeople into agreeing that any action, >>>>> including physical abuse / torture, is or should be acceptable for
people convicted of any offence.
No he's not. Are you saying the denying someone a hair piece constitutes >>>>torture?
No, but Tony is saying that no laws should apply to prisoners in
custody.
Tony has said nothing of the sort. You're being extremely dishonest Rich.
He may not have meant to, but that is what he said:
"I think he should lose the rightYou clearly do not understand the difference between a right and a privilege (a word I chose carefully).
to private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges! "
To not be able to defend oyourself against capricious or eveil actsHe would still have that right, just not the privilege of suing capriciously. You are wrong again.
through the courts may bew the srt of totalitarian state that some
fantasise about, but it is not the sort of New Zealand that most of us
want. The rule of law, and its disassionate and uniform application is
our defence against capricious assult. Tony was wrong - and in a way
that leads directly to the sort of abuses of human rights that New
Zealand opbjects to when carried out in other countries.
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 20:07:41 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:05:06 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 05:00:57 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 22:39:17 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
wrote:
http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/86535472/convicted-murderer-phillip-john-smith-sues-corrections-over-confiscated-hairpiece
He has suffered a loss of dignity, apparently!
Well, what about the boy he abused and the man he killed?
In addition to losing the privilege of voting (which I believe he >>>>>>>>> and other criminals should lose), I think he should lose the right >>>>>>>>> to private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges!
Tony
They're having a court case over a wig? FFS, what a waste.
Ignore it Allistar - Tony is just being a troll - if the case is >>>>>>> deemed vexatious Smith could end up paying for Crown costs, but it >>>>>>> is unlikely to take much time. Tony is trying to do a Trump by
ignoring the principles of Justice.
Ad hominem attacks aren't needed Rich. You can do better.
In effect Tony is trying to conpeople into agreeing that any action, >>>>> including physical abuse / torture, is or should be acceptable for
people convicted of any offence.
No he's not. Are you saying the denying someone a hair piece constitutes >>>>torture?
No, but Tony is saying that no laws should apply to prisoners in
custody.
Tony has said nothing of the sort. You're being extremely dishonest Rich.
He may not have meant to, but that is what he said:
"I think he should lose the right
to private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges! "
To not be able to defend oyourself against capricious or eveil acts
through the courts may bew the srt of totalitarian state that some
fantasise about, but it is not the sort of New Zealand that most of us
want. The rule of law, and its disassionate and uniform application is
our defence against capricious assult. Tony was wrong - and in a way
that leads directly to the sort of abuses of human rights that New
Zealand opbjects to when carried out in other countries.
Rich80105 wrote:It is malice because I accused him, with proof, of accusing a minister of condoning (covering up) a murder and of ignoring an expert opinion that Pike River was unsafe to enter and failing to provide any evidence to the contrary (which he incorrectly claimed exists) and I accused him of making political points out of human misery.
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 20:07:41 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:05:06 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 05:00:57 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>>>>> wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 22:39:17 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:
wrote:
He has suffered a loss of dignity, apparently!http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/86535472/convicted-murderer-phillip-john-smith-sues-corrections-over-confiscated-hairpiece
Well, what about the boy he abused and the man he killed?
In addition to losing the privilege of voting (which I believe he >>>>>>>>>> and other criminals should lose), I think he should lose the right >>>>>>>>>> to private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges! >>>>>>>>>> Tony
They're having a court case over a wig? FFS, what a waste.
Ignore it Allistar - Tony is just being a troll - if the case is >>>>>>>> deemed vexatious Smith could end up paying for Crown costs, but it >>>>>>>> is unlikely to take much time. Tony is trying to do a Trump by >>>>>>>> ignoring the principles of Justice.
Ad hominem attacks aren't needed Rich. You can do better.
In effect Tony is trying to conpeople into agreeing that any action, >>>>>> including physical abuse / torture, is or should be acceptable for >>>>>> people convicted of any offence.
No he's not. Are you saying the denying someone a hair piece constitutes >>>>>torture?
No, but Tony is saying that no laws should apply to prisoners in
custody.
Tony has said nothing of the sort. You're being extremely dishonest Rich.
He may not have meant to, but that is what he said:
"I think he should lose the right
to private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges! "
Where does that say that no laws should apply? Your dishonesty knows no >bounds.
To not be able to defend oyourself against capricious or eveil acts
through the courts may bew the srt of totalitarian state that some
fantasise about, but it is not the sort of New Zealand that most of us
want. The rule of law, and its disassionate and uniform application is
our defence against capricious assult. Tony was wrong - and in a way
that leads directly to the sort of abuses of human rights that New
Zealand opbjects to when carried out in other countries.
That was difficult to read. You're begging the question. Tony has not >advocated all laws be suspended for prisoners. To suggest he has said that >shows either massive comprehension issues on your part or malice. Which is >it?
--
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." >creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.
Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 20:07:41 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:05:06 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 05:00:57 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>>>>> wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 22:39:17 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:
wrote:
http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/86535472/convicted-murderer-phillip-john-smith-sues-corrections-over-confiscated-hairpiece
He has suffered a loss of dignity, apparently!
Well, what about the boy he abused and the man he killed?
In addition to losing the privilege of voting (which I believe he >>>>>>>>>> and other criminals should lose), I think he should lose the right >>>>>>>>>> to private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges! >>>>>>>>>> Tony
They're having a court case over a wig? FFS, what a waste.
Ignore it Allistar - Tony is just being a troll - if the case is >>>>>>>> deemed vexatious Smith could end up paying for Crown costs, but it >>>>>>>> is unlikely to take much time. Tony is trying to do a Trump by >>>>>>>> ignoring the principles of Justice.
Ad hominem attacks aren't needed Rich. You can do better.
In effect Tony is trying to conpeople into agreeing that any action, >>>>>> including physical abuse / torture, is or should be acceptable for >>>>>> people convicted of any offence.
No he's not. Are you saying the denying someone a hair piece constitutes >>>>>torture?
No, but Tony is saying that no laws should apply to prisoners in
custody.
Tony has said nothing of the sort. You're being extremely dishonest Rich.
He may not have meant to, but that is what he said:
"I think he should lose the right
to private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges! "
Where does that say that no laws should apply? Your dishonesty knows no >bounds.
To not be able to defend oyourself against capricious or eveil acts
through the courts may bew the srt of totalitarian state that some
fantasise about, but it is not the sort of New Zealand that most of us
want. The rule of law, and its disassionate and uniform application is
our defence against capricious assult. Tony was wrong - and in a way
that leads directly to the sort of abuses of human rights that New
Zealand opbjects to when carried out in other countries.
That was difficult to read. You're begging the question. Tony has not >advocated all laws be suspended for prisoners. To suggest he has said that >shows either massive comprehension issues on your part or malice. Which is >it?
On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 11:08:11 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 20:07:41 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:05:06 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 05:00:57 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 22:39:17 +1300, Allistar
<me@hiddenaddress.com> wrote:
wrote:
http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/86535472/convicted-murderer-phillip-john-smith-sues-corrections-over-confiscated-hairpiece
He has suffered a loss of dignity, apparently!
Well, what about the boy he abused and the man he killed? >>>>>>>>>>> In addition to losing the privilege of voting (which I believe >>>>>>>>>>> he and other criminals should lose), I think he should lose the >>>>>>>>>>> right to private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges! >>>>>>>>>>> Tony
They're having a court case over a wig? FFS, what a waste.
Ignore it Allistar - Tony is just being a troll - if the case is >>>>>>>>> deemed vexatious Smith could end up paying for Crown costs, but it >>>>>>>>> is unlikely to take much time. Tony is trying to do a Trump by >>>>>>>>> ignoring the principles of Justice.
Ad hominem attacks aren't needed Rich. You can do better.
In effect Tony is trying to conpeople into agreeing that any action, >>>>>>> including physical abuse / torture, is or should be acceptable for >>>>>>> people convicted of any offence.
No he's not. Are you saying the denying someone a hair piece >>>>>>constitutes torture?
No, but Tony is saying that no laws should apply to prisoners in
custody.
Tony has said nothing of the sort. You're being extremely dishonest >>>>Rich.
He may not have meant to, but that is what he said:
"I think he should lose the right
to private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges! "
Where does that say that no laws should apply? Your dishonesty knows no >>bounds.
To not be able to defend oyourself against capricious or eveil acts
through the courts may bew the srt of totalitarian state that some
fantasise about, but it is not the sort of New Zealand that most of us
want. The rule of law, and its disassionate and uniform application is
our defence against capricious assult. Tony was wrong - and in a way
that leads directly to the sort of abuses of human rights that New
Zealand opbjects to when carried out in other countries.
That was difficult to read. You're begging the question. Tony has not >>advocated all laws be suspended for prisoners. To suggest he has said that >>shows either massive comprehension issues on your part or malice. Which is >>it?
If you are a prisoner and are not able to take a grievance through the courts, for whatever reason, what defence do you have against any
actions by prison staff that otherwise would be againstthe law.
Removing the right to private litigation effectively removes the
ability to make an effective protest against all sorts of actions,
niot jkust the one that raised this issue. Tony is just being a
troll,; he probably throught he was being slippery enough to wriggle
away from his own words. but to remove the rights of prisoners to
private litigation is effectively the same as removing redres against
any legal action contrary to the rights of a prisoner.
On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 11:08:11 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 20:07:41 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:He may not have meant to, but that is what he said:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:05:06 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 05:00:57 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 22:39:17 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
wrote:
http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/86535472/convicted-murderer-phillip-john-smith-sues-corrections-over-confiscated-hairpiece
He has suffered a loss of dignity, apparently!
Well, what about the boy he abused and the man he killed? >>>>>>>>>>> In addition to losing the privilege of voting (which I believe he >>>>>>>>>>> and other criminals should lose), I think he should lose the right >>>>>>>>>>> to private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges! >>>>>>>>>>> Tony
They're having a court case over a wig? FFS, what a waste.
Ignore it Allistar - Tony is just being a troll - if the case is >>>>>>>>> deemed vexatious Smith could end up paying for Crown costs, but it >>>>>>>>> is unlikely to take much time. Tony is trying to do a Trump by >>>>>>>>> ignoring the principles of Justice.
Ad hominem attacks aren't needed Rich. You can do better.
In effect Tony is trying to conpeople into agreeing that any action, >>>>>>> including physical abuse / torture, is or should be acceptable for >>>>>>> people convicted of any offence.
No he's not. Are you saying the denying someone a hair piece constitutes >>>>>> torture?
No, but Tony is saying that no laws should apply to prisoners in
custody.
Tony has said nothing of the sort. You're being extremely dishonest Rich. >>>
"I think he should lose the right
to private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges! "
Where does that say that no laws should apply? Your dishonesty knows no
bounds.
To not be able to defend oyourself against capricious or eveil acts
through the courts may bew the srt of totalitarian state that some
fantasise about, but it is not the sort of New Zealand that most of us
want. The rule of law, and its disassionate and uniform application is
our defence against capricious assult. Tony was wrong - and in a way
that leads directly to the sort of abuses of human rights that New
Zealand opbjects to when carried out in other countries.
That was difficult to read. You're begging the question. Tony has not
advocated all laws be suspended for prisoners. To suggest he has said that >> shows either massive comprehension issues on your part or malice. Which is >> it?
If you are a prisoner and are not able to take a grievance through the courts, for whatever reason, what defence do you have against any
actions by prison staff that otherwise would be againstthe law.
Removing the right to private litigation effectively removes the
ability to make an effective protest against all sorts of actions,
niot jkust the one that raised this issue. Tony is just being a
troll,; he probably throught he was being slippery enough to wriggle
away from his own words. but to remove the rights of prisoners to
private litigation is effectively the same as removing redres against
any legal action contrary to the rights of a prisoner.
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 20:07:41 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:05:06 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 05:00:57 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 22:39:17 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
wrote:
http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/86535472/convicted-murderer-phillip-john-smith-sues-corrections-over-confiscated-hairpiece
He has suffered a loss of dignity, apparently!
Well, what about the boy he abused and the man he killed?
In addition to losing the privilege of voting (which I believe he >>>>>>>>> and other criminals should lose), I think he should lose the right >>>>>>>>> to private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges!
Tony
They're having a court case over a wig? FFS, what a waste.
Ignore it Allistar - Tony is just being a troll - if the case is >>>>>>> deemed vexatious Smith could end up paying for Crown costs, but it is >>>>>>> unlikely to take much time. Tony is trying to do a Trump by ignoring >>>>>>> the principles of Justice.
Ad hominem attacks aren't needed Rich. You can do better.
In effect Tony is trying to conpeople into agreeing that any action, >>>>> including physical abuse / torture, is or should be acceptable for
people convicted of any offence.
No he's not. Are you saying the denying someone a hair piece constitutes >>>> torture?
No, but Tony is saying that no laws should apply to prisoners in
custody.
Tony has said nothing of the sort. You're being extremely dishonest Rich.
He may not have meant to, but that is what he said:
"I think he should lose the right
to private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges! "
To not be able to defend oyourself against capricious or eveil acts
through the courts may bew the srt of totalitarian state that some
fantasise about, but it is not the sort of New Zealand that most of us
want. The rule of law, and its disassionate and uniform application is
our defence against capricious assult. Tony was wrong - and in a way
that leads directly to the sort of abuses of human rights that New
Zealand opbjects to when carried out in other countries.
On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 11:08:11 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 20:07:41 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:He may not have meant to, but that is what he said:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:05:06 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 05:00:57 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 22:39:17 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
wrote:
http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/86535472/convicted-murderer-phillip-john-smith-sues-corrections-over-confiscated-hairpiece
He has suffered a loss of dignity, apparently!
Well, what about the boy he abused and the man he killed? >>>>>>>>>>> In addition to losing the privilege of voting (which I believe he >>>>>>>>>>> and other criminals should lose), I think he should lose the right >>>>>>>>>>> to private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges! >>>>>>>>>>> Tony
They're having a court case over a wig? FFS, what a waste.
Ignore it Allistar - Tony is just being a troll - if the case is >>>>>>>>> deemed vexatious Smith could end up paying for Crown costs, but it >>>>>>>>> is unlikely to take much time. Tony is trying to do a Trump by >>>>>>>>> ignoring the principles of Justice.
Ad hominem attacks aren't needed Rich. You can do better.
In effect Tony is trying to conpeople into agreeing that any action, >>>>>>> including physical abuse / torture, is or should be acceptable for >>>>>>> people convicted of any offence.
No he's not. Are you saying the denying someone a hair piece constitutes >>>>>>torture?
No, but Tony is saying that no laws should apply to prisoners in
custody.
Tony has said nothing of the sort. You're being extremely dishonest Rich. >>>
"I think he should lose the right
to private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges! "
Where does that say that no laws should apply? Your dishonesty knows no >>bounds.
To not be able to defend oyourself against capricious or eveil acts
through the courts may bew the srt of totalitarian state that some
fantasise about, but it is not the sort of New Zealand that most of us
want. The rule of law, and its disassionate and uniform application is
our defence against capricious assult. Tony was wrong - and in a way
that leads directly to the sort of abuses of human rights that New
Zealand opbjects to when carried out in other countries.
That was difficult to read. You're begging the question. Tony has not >>advocated all laws be suspended for prisoners. To suggest he has said that >>shows either massive comprehension issues on your part or malice. Which is >>it?
If you are a prisoner and are not able to take a grievance through the >courts, for whatever reason, what defence do you have against any
actions by prison staff that otherwise would be againstthe law.
Removing the right to private litigation effectively removes the
ability to make an effective protest against all sorts of actions,
niot jkust the one that raised this issue. Tony is just being a
troll,; he probably throught he was being slippery enough to wriggle
away from his own words. but to remove the rights of prisoners to
private litigation is effectively the same as removing redres against
any legal action contrary to the rights of a prisoner.
On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 20:16:00 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid><me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 12:51:07 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 11:08:11 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 20:07:41 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:05:06 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>>>>> wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 05:00:57 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 22:39:17 +1300, Allistar
hewrote:
wrote:
http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/86535472/convicted-murderer-phillip-john-smith-sues-corrections-over-confiscated-hairpiece
He has suffered a loss of dignity, apparently!
Well, what about the boy he abused and the man he killed? >>>>>>>>>>>> In addition to losing the privilege of voting (which I believe
rightand other criminals should lose), I think he should lose the
constitutesIgnore it Allistar - Tony is just being a troll - if the case is >>>>>>>>>> deemed vexatious Smith could end up paying for Crown costs, but it >>>>>>>>>> is unlikely to take much time. Tony is trying to do a Trump by >>>>>>>>>> ignoring the principles of Justice.to private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges! >>>>>>>>>>>> Tony
They're having a court case over a wig? FFS, what a waste. >>>>>>>>>>
Ad hominem attacks aren't needed Rich. You can do better.
In effect Tony is trying to conpeople into agreeing that any action, >>>>>>>> including physical abuse / torture, is or should be acceptable for >>>>>>>> people convicted of any offence.
No he's not. Are you saying the denying someone a hair piece
Rich.torture?
No, but Tony is saying that no laws should apply to prisoners in >>>>>> custody.
Tony has said nothing of the sort. You're being extremely dishonest
He may not have meant to, but that is what he said:
"I think he should lose the right
to private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges! "
Where does that say that no laws should apply? Your dishonesty knows no >>>bounds.
To not be able to defend oyourself against capricious or eveil acts
through the courts may bew the srt of totalitarian state that some
fantasise about, but it is not the sort of New Zealand that most of us >>>> want. The rule of law, and its disassionate and uniform application is >>>> our defence against capricious assult. Tony was wrong - and in a way >>>> that leads directly to the sort of abuses of human rights that New
Zealand opbjects to when carried out in other countries.
That was difficult to read. You're begging the question. Tony has not >>>advocated all laws be suspended for prisoners. To suggest he has said that >>>shows either massive comprehension issues on your part or malice. Which is >>>it?
If you are a prisoner and are not able to take a grievance through the >>courts, for whatever reason, what defence do you have against any
actions by prison staff that otherwise would be againstthe law.
Removing the right to private litigation effectively removes the
ability to make an effective protest against all sorts of actions,
niot jkust the one that raised this issue. Tony is just being a
troll,; he probably throught he was being slippery enough to wriggle
away from his own words. but to remove the rights of prisoners to
private litigation is effectively the same as removing redres against
any legal action contrary to the rights of a prisoner.
Rich you have totally got yourself in a hole. Tony covered theSmith is in prison! Are you saying that by haing a wig that he was previously allowed, and that is known about is a threat to proson
problem with Smith complaining about Corrections actions in removing
his access to a wig. This is the guy that gave them the slip, fled to >Brazil via Argentina on a false passport and got caught through shear
luck. That wig was a large part in Smith's identity disguise.
security?
Smith wants to object to a decision of the prison not to allow him to
keep his wig. Do you know why the prison mreversed their decision? I
suspect tony doesnt, but he has made up his mind that it is
sufficiently heinous 'fopr Smith to object that human rights for all prisoners should be reduced. Tony is getting more idiotic by the day,
and you are tag-teaming . . .
Keep digging Rich - you will simply get further into the hole you have
dug yourself into. You need to be far more cautious in picking >anti-National fights.
On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 12:51:07 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>Smith is in prison! Are you saying that by haing a wig that he was
wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 11:08:11 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 20:07:41 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:He may not have meant to, but that is what he said:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:05:06 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>>>>> wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 05:00:57 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 22:39:17 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
wrote:Ignore it Allistar - Tony is just being a troll - if the case is >>>>>>>>>> deemed vexatious Smith could end up paying for Crown costs, but it >>>>>>>>>> is unlikely to take much time. Tony is trying to do a Trump by >>>>>>>>>> ignoring the principles of Justice.
http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/86535472/convicted-murderer-phillip-john-smith-sues-corrections-over-confiscated-hairpiece
He has suffered a loss of dignity, apparently!
Well, what about the boy he abused and the man he killed? >>>>>>>>>>>> In addition to losing the privilege of voting (which I believe he >>>>>>>>>>>> and other criminals should lose), I think he should lose the right >>>>>>>>>>>> to private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges! >>>>>>>>>>>> Tony
They're having a court case over a wig? FFS, what a waste. >>>>>>>>>>
Ad hominem attacks aren't needed Rich. You can do better.
In effect Tony is trying to conpeople into agreeing that any action, >>>>>>>> including physical abuse / torture, is or should be acceptable for >>>>>>>> people convicted of any offence.
No he's not. Are you saying the denying someone a hair piece constitutes >>>>>>>torture?
No, but Tony is saying that no laws should apply to prisoners in
custody.
Tony has said nothing of the sort. You're being extremely dishonest Rich. >>>>
"I think he should lose the right
to private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges! "
Where does that say that no laws should apply? Your dishonesty knows no >>>bounds.
To not be able to defend oyourself against capricious or eveil acts
through the courts may bew the srt of totalitarian state that some
fantasise about, but it is not the sort of New Zealand that most of us >>>> want. The rule of law, and its disassionate and uniform application is >>>> our defence against capricious assult. Tony was wrong - and in a way
that leads directly to the sort of abuses of human rights that New
Zealand opbjects to when carried out in other countries.
That was difficult to read. You're begging the question. Tony has not >>>advocated all laws be suspended for prisoners. To suggest he has said that >>>shows either massive comprehension issues on your part or malice. Which is >>>it?
If you are a prisoner and are not able to take a grievance through the >>courts, for whatever reason, what defence do you have against any
actions by prison staff that otherwise would be againstthe law.
Removing the right to private litigation effectively removes the
ability to make an effective protest against all sorts of actions,
niot jkust the one that raised this issue. Tony is just being a
troll,; he probably throught he was being slippery enough to wriggle
away from his own words. but to remove the rights of prisoners to
private litigation is effectively the same as removing redres against
any legal action contrary to the rights of a prisoner.
Rich you have totally got yourself in a hole. Tony covered the
problem with Smith complaining about Corrections actions in removing
his access to a wig. This is the guy that gave them the slip, fled to
Brazil via Argentina on a false passport and got caught through shear
luck. That wig was a large part in Smith's identity disguise.
Keep digging Rich - you will simply get further into the hole you have
dug yourself into. You need to be far more cautious in picking
anti-National fights.
On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 20:16:00 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 12:51:07 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>Smith is in prison! Are you saying that by haing a wig that he was previously allowed, and that is known about is a threat to proson
wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 11:08:11 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>>wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 20:07:41 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:05:06 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 05:00:57 +1300, Allistar
<me@hiddenaddress.com> wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 22:39:17 +1300, Allistar
<me@hiddenaddress.com> wrote:
wrote:Ignore it Allistar - Tony is just being a troll - if the case is >>>>>>>>>>> deemed vexatious Smith could end up paying for Crown costs, but >>>>>>>>>>> it is unlikely to take much time. Tony is trying to do a Trump >>>>>>>>>>> by ignoring the principles of Justice.
http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/86535472/convicted-murderer-phillip-john-smith-sues-corrections-over-confiscated-hairpiece
He has suffered a loss of dignity, apparently!
Well, what about the boy he abused and the man he killed? >>>>>>>>>>>>> In addition to losing the privilege of voting (which I believe >>>>>>>>>>>>> he and other criminals should lose), I think he should lose >>>>>>>>>>>>> the right to private litigation until his sentence is over. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges! >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tony
They're having a court case over a wig? FFS, what a waste. >>>>>>>>>>>
Ad hominem attacks aren't needed Rich. You can do better.
In effect Tony is trying to conpeople into agreeing that any >>>>>>>>> action, including physical abuse / torture, is or should be
acceptable for people convicted of any offence.
No he's not. Are you saying the denying someone a hair piece >>>>>>>>constitutes torture?
No, but Tony is saying that no laws should apply to prisoners in >>>>>>> custody.
Tony has said nothing of the sort. You're being extremely dishonest >>>>>>Rich.
He may not have meant to, but that is what he said:
"I think he should lose the right
to private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges! "
Where does that say that no laws should apply? Your dishonesty knows no >>>>bounds.
To not be able to defend oyourself against capricious or eveil acts
through the courts may bew the srt of totalitarian state that some
fantasise about, but it is not the sort of New Zealand that most of us >>>>> want. The rule of law, and its disassionate and uniform application is >>>>> our defence against capricious assult. Tony was wrong - and in a way >>>>> that leads directly to the sort of abuses of human rights that New
Zealand opbjects to when carried out in other countries.
That was difficult to read. You're begging the question. Tony has not >>>>advocated all laws be suspended for prisoners. To suggest he has said >>>>that shows either massive comprehension issues on your part or malice. >>>>Which is it?
If you are a prisoner and are not able to take a grievance through the >>>courts, for whatever reason, what defence do you have against any
actions by prison staff that otherwise would be againstthe law.
Removing the right to private litigation effectively removes the
ability to make an effective protest against all sorts of actions,
niot jkust the one that raised this issue. Tony is just being a
troll,; he probably throught he was being slippery enough to wriggle
away from his own words. but to remove the rights of prisoners to
private litigation is effectively the same as removing redres against
any legal action contrary to the rights of a prisoner.
Rich you have totally got yourself in a hole. Tony covered the
problem with Smith complaining about Corrections actions in removing
his access to a wig. This is the guy that gave them the slip, fled to >>Brazil via Argentina on a false passport and got caught through shear
luck. That wig was a large part in Smith's identity disguise.
security?
Smith wants to object to a decision of the prison not to allow him to
keep his wig. Do you know why the prison mreversed their decision? I
suspect tony doesnt, but he has made up his mind that it is
sufficiently heinous 'fopr Smith to object that human rights for all prisoners should be reduced.
Tony is getting more idiotic by the day,
and you are tag-teaming . . .
Smith wants to object to a decision of the prison not to allow him to
keep his wig. Do you know why the prison reversed their decision? I
suspect tony doesnt, but he has made up his mind that it is
sufficiently heinous for Smith to object that human rights for all
prisoners should be reduced.
You can't seem to help yourself but to continue misrepresenting what people >say. It's extremely dishonest.
Tony said "I think he should lose the right to private litigation until his >sentence is over". You translate that to "human rights for all prisoners >should be reduced". Are you serious?
On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 23:24:48 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>What bullshit you write!
wrote:
Smith wants to object to a decision of the prison not to allow him to
keep his wig. Do you know why the prison reversed their decision? I
suspect tony doesnt, but he has made up his mind that it is
sufficiently heinous for Smith to object that human rights for all
prisoners should be reduced.
You can't seem to help yourself but to continue misrepresenting what people >>say. It's extremely dishonest.
Tony said "I think he should lose the right to private litigation until his >>sentence is over". You translate that to "human rights for all prisoners >>should be reduced". Are you serious?
Yes. Access to justice, through the courts, is a basic human right.
Tony was clerly referring to a particular prisoner, but to remove a
human right for only one person would be unlawful discrimination. Tony
was clearly looking for a law change to remve that right from
prisoners.
Where is the misrepresentation, Allistar?You know that I meant nothing of the sort but you are so incensed by me pointing out your lying and your use of personal tragedy for politicaql ends and your accusation that a minister covered up murder that you cannot control yourself. Your continued descent into childish behaviour is becoming wearisome. Tony
On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 20:16:00 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>Tag teaming? What idiocy!
wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 12:51:07 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>Smith is in prison! Are you saying that by haing a wig that he was >previously allowed, and that is known about is a threat to proson
wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 11:08:11 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>>wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 20:07:41 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:He may not have meant to, but that is what he said:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:05:06 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 05:00:57 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 22:39:17 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
wrote:Ignore it Allistar - Tony is just being a troll - if the case is >>>>>>>>>>> deemed vexatious Smith could end up paying for Crown costs, but it >>>>>>>>>>> is unlikely to take much time. Tony is trying to do a Trump by >>>>>>>>>>> ignoring the principles of Justice.
He has suffered a loss of dignity, apparently!http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/86535472/convicted-murderer-phillip-john-smith-sues-corrections-over-confiscated-hairpiece
Well, what about the boy he abused and the man he killed? >>>>>>>>>>>>> In addition to losing the privilege of voting (which I believe he >>>>>>>>>>>>> and other criminals should lose), I think he should lose the right
to private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges! >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tony
They're having a court case over a wig? FFS, what a waste. >>>>>>>>>>>
Ad hominem attacks aren't needed Rich. You can do better.
In effect Tony is trying to conpeople into agreeing that any action, >>>>>>>>> including physical abuse / torture, is or should be acceptable for >>>>>>>>> people convicted of any offence.
No he's not. Are you saying the denying someone a hair piece constitutes
torture?
No, but Tony is saying that no laws should apply to prisoners in >>>>>>> custody.
Tony has said nothing of the sort. You're being extremely dishonest Rich. >>>>>
"I think he should lose the right
to private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges! "
Where does that say that no laws should apply? Your dishonesty knows no >>>>bounds.
To not be able to defend oyourself against capricious or eveil acts
through the courts may bew the srt of totalitarian state that some
fantasise about, but it is not the sort of New Zealand that most of us >>>>> want. The rule of law, and its disassionate and uniform application is >>>>> our defence against capricious assult. Tony was wrong - and in a way >>>>> that leads directly to the sort of abuses of human rights that New
Zealand opbjects to when carried out in other countries.
That was difficult to read. You're begging the question. Tony has not >>>>advocated all laws be suspended for prisoners. To suggest he has said that >>>>shows either massive comprehension issues on your part or malice. Which is >>>>it?
If you are a prisoner and are not able to take a grievance through the >>>courts, for whatever reason, what defence do you have against any
actions by prison staff that otherwise would be againstthe law.
Removing the right to private litigation effectively removes the
ability to make an effective protest against all sorts of actions,
niot jkust the one that raised this issue. Tony is just being a
troll,; he probably throught he was being slippery enough to wriggle
away from his own words. but to remove the rights of prisoners to
private litigation is effectively the same as removing redres against
any legal action contrary to the rights of a prisoner.
Rich you have totally got yourself in a hole. Tony covered the
problem with Smith complaining about Corrections actions in removing
his access to a wig. This is the guy that gave them the slip, fled to >>Brazil via Argentina on a false passport and got caught through shear
luck. That wig was a large part in Smith's identity disguise.
security?
Smith wants to object to a decision of the prison not to allow him to
keep his wig. Do you know why the prison mreversed their decision? I
suspect tony doesnt, but he has made up his mind that it is
sufficiently heinous 'fopr Smith to object that human rights for all >prisoners should be reduced. Tony is getting more idiotic by the day,
and you are tag-teaming . . .
Keep digging Rich - you will simply get further into the hole you have
dug yourself into. You need to be far more cautious in picking >>anti-National fights.
On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 23:24:48 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Smith wants to object to a decision of the prison not to allow him to
keep his wig. Do you know why the prison reversed their decision? I
suspect tony doesnt, but he has made up his mind that it is
sufficiently heinous for Smith to object that human rights for all
prisoners should be reduced.
You can't seem to help yourself but to continue misrepresenting what people >> say. It's extremely dishonest.
Tony said "I think he should lose the right to private litigation until his >> sentence is over". You translate that to "human rights for all prisoners
should be reduced". Are you serious?
Yes. Access to justice, through the courts, is a basic human right.
Tony was clerly referring to a particular prisoner, but to remove a
human right for only one person would be unlawful discrimination. Tony
was clearly looking for a law change to remve that right from
prisoners.
Where is the misrepresentation, Allistar?
On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 20:16:00 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>You're talking pure shit again Rich. On top of that you're lying like
wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 12:51:07 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>Smith is in prison! Are you saying that by haing a wig that he was previously allowed, and that is known about is a threat to proson
wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 11:08:11 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 20:07:41 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:05:06 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 05:00:57 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 22:39:17 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
wrote:Ignore it Allistar - Tony is just being a troll - if the case is >>>>>>>>>>> deemed vexatious Smith could end up paying for Crown costs, but it >>>>>>>>>>> is unlikely to take much time. Tony is trying to do a Trump by >>>>>>>>>>> ignoring the principles of Justice.
http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/86535472/convicted-murderer-phillip-john-smith-sues-corrections-over-confiscated-hairpiece
He has suffered a loss of dignity, apparently!
Well, what about the boy he abused and the man he killed? >>>>>>>>>>>>> In addition to losing the privilege of voting (which I believe he >>>>>>>>>>>>> and other criminals should lose), I think he should lose the right
to private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges! >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tony
They're having a court case over a wig? FFS, what a waste. >>>>>>>>>>>
Ad hominem attacks aren't needed Rich. You can do better.
In effect Tony is trying to conpeople into agreeing that any action, >>>>>>>>> including physical abuse / torture, is or should be acceptable for >>>>>>>>> people convicted of any offence.
No he's not. Are you saying the denying someone a hair piece constitutes
torture?
No, but Tony is saying that no laws should apply to prisoners in >>>>>>> custody.
Tony has said nothing of the sort. You're being extremely dishonest Rich.
He may not have meant to, but that is what he said:
"I think he should lose the right
to private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges! "
Where does that say that no laws should apply? Your dishonesty knows no >>>> bounds.
To not be able to defend oyourself against capricious or eveil acts
through the courts may bew the srt of totalitarian state that some
fantasise about, but it is not the sort of New Zealand that most of us >>>>> want. The rule of law, and its disassionate and uniform application is >>>>> our defence against capricious assult. Tony was wrong - and in a way >>>>> that leads directly to the sort of abuses of human rights that New
Zealand opbjects to when carried out in other countries.
That was difficult to read. You're begging the question. Tony has not
advocated all laws be suspended for prisoners. To suggest he has said that >>>> shows either massive comprehension issues on your part or malice. Which is >>>> it?
If you are a prisoner and are not able to take a grievance through the
courts, for whatever reason, what defence do you have against any
actions by prison staff that otherwise would be againstthe law.
Removing the right to private litigation effectively removes the
ability to make an effective protest against all sorts of actions,
niot jkust the one that raised this issue. Tony is just being a
troll,; he probably throught he was being slippery enough to wriggle
away from his own words. but to remove the rights of prisoners to
private litigation is effectively the same as removing redres against
any legal action contrary to the rights of a prisoner.
Rich you have totally got yourself in a hole. Tony covered the
problem with Smith complaining about Corrections actions in removing
his access to a wig. This is the guy that gave them the slip, fled to
Brazil via Argentina on a false passport and got caught through shear
luck. That wig was a large part in Smith's identity disguise.
security?
Smith wants to object to a decision of the prison not to allow him to
keep his wig. Do you know why the prison mreversed their decision? I
suspect tony doesnt, but he has made up his mind that it is
sufficiently heinous 'fopr Smith to object that human rights for all prisoners should be reduced. Tony is getting more idiotic by the day,
and you are tag-teaming . . .
Keep digging Rich - you will simply get further into the hole you have
dug yourself into. You need to be far more cautious in picking
anti-National fights.
On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 11:08:11 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>Absolute nonsense and you deliberately lie once more. I talked about removing certain priveleges not rights. Why you cannot understand the difference is a worry - oh - but you do understand the difference but that would not suit you because it would be honest!
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 20:07:41 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:He may not have meant to, but that is what he said:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:05:06 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 05:00:57 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 22:39:17 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
wrote:
He has suffered a loss of dignity, apparently!http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/86535472/convicted-murderer-phillip-john-smith-sues-corrections-over-confiscated-hairpiece
Well, what about the boy he abused and the man he killed? >>>>>>>>>>> In addition to losing the privilege of voting (which I believe he >>>>>>>>>>> and other criminals should lose), I think he should lose the right >>>>>>>>>>> to private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges! >>>>>>>>>>> Tony
They're having a court case over a wig? FFS, what a waste.
Ignore it Allistar - Tony is just being a troll - if the case is >>>>>>>>> deemed vexatious Smith could end up paying for Crown costs, but it >>>>>>>>> is unlikely to take much time. Tony is trying to do a Trump by >>>>>>>>> ignoring the principles of Justice.
Ad hominem attacks aren't needed Rich. You can do better.
In effect Tony is trying to conpeople into agreeing that any action, >>>>>>> including physical abuse / torture, is or should be acceptable for >>>>>>> people convicted of any offence.
No he's not. Are you saying the denying someone a hair piece constitutes >>>>>>torture?
No, but Tony is saying that no laws should apply to prisoners in
custody.
Tony has said nothing of the sort. You're being extremely dishonest Rich. >>>
"I think he should lose the right
to private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges! "
Where does that say that no laws should apply? Your dishonesty knows no >>bounds.
To not be able to defend oyourself against capricious or eveil acts
through the courts may bew the srt of totalitarian state that some
fantasise about, but it is not the sort of New Zealand that most of us
want. The rule of law, and its disassionate and uniform application is
our defence against capricious assult. Tony was wrong - and in a way
that leads directly to the sort of abuses of human rights that New
Zealand opbjects to when carried out in other countries.
That was difficult to read. You're begging the question. Tony has not >>advocated all laws be suspended for prisoners. To suggest he has said that >>shows either massive comprehension issues on your part or malice. Which is >>it?
If you are a prisoner and are not able to take a grievance through the >courts, for whatever reason, what defence do you have against any
actions by prison staff that otherwise would be againstthe law.
Removing the right to private litigation effectively removes the
ability to make an effective protest against all sorts of actions,
niot jkust the one that raised this issue. Tony is just being a
troll,; he probably throught he was being slippery enough to wriggle
away from his own words. but to remove the rights of prisoners to
private litigation is effectively the same as removing redres against
any legal action contrary to the rights of a prisoner.
On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 11:08:11 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>Absolute nonsense and you deliberately lie once more. I talked about
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 20:07:41 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:05:06 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 05:00:57 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 22:39:17 +1300, Allistar
<me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
wrote:
He has suffered a loss of dignity, apparently!http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/86535472/convicted-murderer-phillip-john-smith-sues-corrections-over-confiscated-hairpiece
Well, what about the boy he abused and the man he killed? >>>>>>>>>>> In addition to losing the privilege of voting (which I believe >>>>>>>>>>> he
and other criminals should lose), I think he should lose the >>>>>>>>>>> right
to private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges! >>>>>>>>>>> Tony
They're having a court case over a wig? FFS, what a waste.
Ignore it Allistar - Tony is just being a troll - if the case is >>>>>>>>> deemed vexatious Smith could end up paying for Crown costs, but it >>>>>>>>> is unlikely to take much time. Tony is trying to do a Trump by >>>>>>>>> ignoring the principles of Justice.
Ad hominem attacks aren't needed Rich. You can do better.
In effect Tony is trying to conpeople into agreeing that any action, >>>>>>> including physical abuse / torture, is or should be acceptable for >>>>>>> people convicted of any offence.
No he's not. Are you saying the denying someone a hair piece >>>>>>constitutes
torture?
No, but Tony is saying that no laws should apply to prisoners in
custody.
Tony has said nothing of the sort. You're being extremely dishonest >>>>Rich.
He may not have meant to, but that is what he said:
"I think he should lose the right
to private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges! "
Where does that say that no laws should apply? Your dishonesty knows no >>bounds.
To not be able to defend oyourself against capricious or eveil acts
through the courts may bew the srt of totalitarian state that some
fantasise about, but it is not the sort of New Zealand that most of us
want. The rule of law, and its disassionate and uniform application is
our defence against capricious assult. Tony was wrong - and in a way
that leads directly to the sort of abuses of human rights that New
Zealand opbjects to when carried out in other countries.
That was difficult to read. You're begging the question. Tony has not >>advocated all laws be suspended for prisoners. To suggest he has said that >>shows either massive comprehension issues on your part or malice. Which is >>it?
If you are a prisoner and are not able to take a grievance through the >courts, for whatever reason, what defence do you have against any
actions by prison staff that otherwise would be againstthe law.
Removing the right to private litigation effectively removes the
ability to make an effective protest against all sorts of actions,
niot jkust the one that raised this issue. Tony is just being a
troll,; he probably throught he was being slippery enough to wriggle
away from his own words. but to remove the rights of prisoners to
private litigation is effectively the same as removing redres against
any legal action contrary to the rights of a prisoner.
"Tony" wrote in message news:part1of1.1.abcUTVQfYQVgug@ue.ph...Geopelia, always the voice of reason and common sense.
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 11:08:11 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>Absolute nonsense and you deliberately lie once more. I talked about
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 20:07:41 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:05:06 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>>>>> wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 05:00:57 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 22:39:17 +1300, Allistar
<me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
wrote:Ignore it Allistar - Tony is just being a troll - if the case is >>>>>>>>>> deemed vexatious Smith could end up paying for Crown costs, but it >>>>>>>>>> is unlikely to take much time. Tony is trying to do a Trump by >>>>>>>>>> ignoring the principles of Justice.
He has suffered a loss of dignity, apparently!http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/86535472/convicted-murderer-phillip-john-smith-sues-corrections-over-confiscated-hairpiece
Well, what about the boy he abused and the man he killed? >>>>>>>>>>>> In addition to losing the privilege of voting (which I believe >>>>>>>>>>>> he
and other criminals should lose), I think he should lose the >>>>>>>>>>>> right
to private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges! >>>>>>>>>>>> Tony
They're having a court case over a wig? FFS, what a waste. >>>>>>>>>>
Ad hominem attacks aren't needed Rich. You can do better.
In effect Tony is trying to conpeople into agreeing that any action, >>>>>>>> including physical abuse / torture, is or should be acceptable for >>>>>>>> people convicted of any offence.
No he's not. Are you saying the denying someone a hair piece >>>>>>>constitutes
torture?
No, but Tony is saying that no laws should apply to prisoners in
custody.
Tony has said nothing of the sort. You're being extremely dishonest >>>>>Rich.
He may not have meant to, but that is what he said:
"I think he should lose the right
to private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges! "
Where does that say that no laws should apply? Your dishonesty knows no >>>bounds.
To not be able to defend oyourself against capricious or eveil acts
through the courts may bew the srt of totalitarian state that some
fantasise about, but it is not the sort of New Zealand that most of us >>>> want. The rule of law, and its disassionate and uniform application is >>>> our defence against capricious assult. Tony was wrong - and in a way
that leads directly to the sort of abuses of human rights that New
Zealand opbjects to when carried out in other countries.
That was difficult to read. You're begging the question. Tony has not >>>advocated all laws be suspended for prisoners. To suggest he has said that >>>shows either massive comprehension issues on your part or malice. Which is >>>it?
If you are a prisoner and are not able to take a grievance through the >>courts, for whatever reason, what defence do you have against any
actions by prison staff that otherwise would be againstthe law.
Removing the right to private litigation effectively removes the
ability to make an effective protest against all sorts of actions,
niot jkust the one that raised this issue. Tony is just being a
troll,; he probably throught he was being slippery enough to wriggle
away from his own words. but to remove the rights of prisoners to
private litigation is effectively the same as removing redres against
any legal action contrary to the rights of a prisoner.
removing
certain priveleges not rights. Why you cannot understand the difference is a >worry - oh - but you do understand the difference but that would not suit
you
because it would be honest!
Tony
Just give it back to him if he is ever released from prison. Why all the >fuss?
If he gets it now the other prisoners could grab it and destroy it.
It's not like dentures or spectacles. Prisoners should certainly be allowed >to keep those.
A wooden leg? Maybe, but that could be used to bash somebody.
Ridiculous, isn't it? And now everybody knows he is partly bald!
"Tony" wrote in message news:part1of1.1.abcUTVQfYQVgug@ue.ph...
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 11:08:11 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>Absolute nonsense and you deliberately lie once more. I talked about
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 20:07:41 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:05:06 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>>>>> wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 05:00:57 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 22:39:17 +1300, Allistar
<me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
wrote:Ignore it Allistar - Tony is just being a troll - if the case is >>>>>>>>>> deemed vexatious Smith could end up paying for Crown costs, but it >>>>>>>>>> is unlikely to take much time. Tony is trying to do a Trump by >>>>>>>>>> ignoring the principles of Justice.
He has suffered a loss of dignity, apparently!http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/86535472/convicted-murderer-phillip-john-smith-sues-corrections-over-confiscated-hairpiece
Well, what about the boy he abused and the man he killed? >>>>>>>>>>>> In addition to losing the privilege of voting (which I believe >>>>>>>>>>>> he
and other criminals should lose), I think he should lose the >>>>>>>>>>>> right
to private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges! >>>>>>>>>>>> Tony
They're having a court case over a wig? FFS, what a waste. >>>>>>>>>>
Ad hominem attacks aren't needed Rich. You can do better.
In effect Tony is trying to conpeople into agreeing that any action, >>>>>>>> including physical abuse / torture, is or should be acceptable for >>>>>>>> people convicted of any offence.
No he's not. Are you saying the denying someone a hair piece >>>>>>>constitutes
torture?
No, but Tony is saying that no laws should apply to prisoners in
custody.
Tony has said nothing of the sort. You're being extremely dishonest >>>>>Rich.
He may not have meant to, but that is what he said:
"I think he should lose the right
to private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges! "
Where does that say that no laws should apply? Your dishonesty knows no >>>bounds.
To not be able to defend oyourself against capricious or eveil acts
through the courts may bew the srt of totalitarian state that some
fantasise about, but it is not the sort of New Zealand that most of us >>>> want. The rule of law, and its disassionate and uniform application is >>>> our defence against capricious assult. Tony was wrong - and in a way
that leads directly to the sort of abuses of human rights that New
Zealand opbjects to when carried out in other countries.
That was difficult to read. You're begging the question. Tony has not >>>advocated all laws be suspended for prisoners. To suggest he has said that >>>shows either massive comprehension issues on your part or malice. Which is >>>it?
If you are a prisoner and are not able to take a grievance through the >>courts, for whatever reason, what defence do you have against any
actions by prison staff that otherwise would be againstthe law.
Removing the right to private litigation effectively removes the
ability to make an effective protest against all sorts of actions,
niot jkust the one that raised this issue. Tony is just being a
troll,; he probably throught he was being slippery enough to wriggle
away from his own words. but to remove the rights of prisoners to
private litigation is effectively the same as removing redres against
any legal action contrary to the rights of a prisoner.
removing
certain priveleges not rights. Why you cannot understand the difference is a >worry - oh - but you do understand the difference but that would not suit
you
because it would be honest!
Tony
Just give it back to him if he is ever released from prison. Why all the >fuss?
If he gets it now the other prisoners could grab it and destroy it.
It's not like dentures or spectacles. Prisoners should certainly be allowed >to keep those.
A wooden leg? Maybe, but that could be used to bash somebody.
Ridiculous, isn't it? And now everybody knows he is partly bald!
On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 16:19:53 +1300, "geopelia" <geopelia@nowhere.com>
wrote:
"Tony" wrote in message news:part1of1.1.abcUTVQfYQVgug@ue.ph...
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 11:08:11 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>wrote:Absolute nonsense and you deliberately lie once more. I talked about >removing
Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 20:07:41 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:05:06 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>>>>> wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 05:00:57 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 22:39:17 +1300, Allistar
<me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
wrote:Ignore it Allistar - Tony is just being a troll - if the case is >>>>>>>>>> deemed vexatious Smith could end up paying for Crown costs, but it >>>>>>>>>> is unlikely to take much time. Tony is trying to do a Trump by >>>>>>>>>> ignoring the principles of Justice.
He has suffered a loss of dignity, apparently!http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/86535472/convicted-murderer-phillip-john-smith-sues-corrections-over-confiscated-hairpiece
Well, what about the boy he abused and the man he killed? >>>>>>>>>>>> In addition to losing the privilege of voting (which I believe >>>>>>>>>>>> he
and other criminals should lose), I think he should lose the >>>>>>>>>>>> right
to private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges! >>>>>>>>>>>> Tony
They're having a court case over a wig? FFS, what a waste. >>>>>>>>>>
Ad hominem attacks aren't needed Rich. You can do better.
In effect Tony is trying to conpeople into agreeing that any action, >>>>>>>> including physical abuse / torture, is or should be acceptable for >>>>>>>> people convicted of any offence.
No he's not. Are you saying the denying someone a hair piece >>>>>>>constitutes
torture?
No, but Tony is saying that no laws should apply to prisoners in >>>>>> custody.
Tony has said nothing of the sort. You're being extremely dishonest >>>>>Rich.
He may not have meant to, but that is what he said:
"I think he should lose the right
to private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges! "
Where does that say that no laws should apply? Your dishonesty knows no >>>bounds.
To not be able to defend oyourself against capricious or eveil acts
through the courts may bew the srt of totalitarian state that some
fantasise about, but it is not the sort of New Zealand that most of us >>>> want. The rule of law, and its disassionate and uniform application is >>>> our defence against capricious assult. Tony was wrong - and in a way >>>> that leads directly to the sort of abuses of human rights that New
Zealand opbjects to when carried out in other countries.
That was difficult to read. You're begging the question. Tony has not >>>advocated all laws be suspended for prisoners. To suggest he has said that >>>shows either massive comprehension issues on your part or malice. Which is >>>it?
If you are a prisoner and are not able to take a grievance through the >>courts, for whatever reason, what defence do you have against any
actions by prison staff that otherwise would be againstthe law.
Removing the right to private litigation effectively removes the
ability to make an effective protest against all sorts of actions,
niot jkust the one that raised this issue. Tony is just being a
troll,; he probably throught he was being slippery enough to wriggle
away from his own words. but to remove the rights of prisoners to
private litigation is effectively the same as removing redres against
any legal action contrary to the rights of a prisoner.
certain priveleges not rights. Why you cannot understand the difference is a >worry - oh - but you do understand the difference but that would not suit >you
because it would be honest!
Tony
Just give it back to him if he is ever released from prison. Why all the >fuss?
If he gets it now the other prisoners could grab it and destroy it.
It's not like dentures or spectacles. Prisoners should certainly be allowed >to keep those.
A wooden leg? Maybe, but that could be used to bash somebody.
Ridiculous, isn't it? And now everybody knows he is partly bald!
We don't really know why he is not allowed to have the wig - we do
however know that he sees this as an additional punishment not set by
the court but unreasonably imposed by the prison management. Whether
removing it is reasonable to not will be determined by the court. Tony
is calling for prison management to be able to impose additional
penalties by not allowing anything they do to be questioned to the appropriate authorities - in this case the court. He has not explained
how he would allow that, but it would in my view require a law change.
If there is no danger to him or other prisoners then why not let him
keep the wig - if it causes problems take it away on safety grounds,
but his lawyer seems to think there is a legal case to be answered -
getting around the court by allowing arbitrary actions by the prison
is not the right way to go.
We did see a photo of Smith without the wig - I didn;t think the wig
did much for him, but that is no reason to ban it!
On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 16:19:53 +1300, "geopelia" <geopelia@nowhere.com>You are a liar, I have said nothing of the sort. Of course you must lie because there is nothing left in your somewhat trivial armoury!
wrote:
"Tony" wrote in message news:part1of1.1.abcUTVQfYQVgug@ue.ph...
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 11:08:11 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>>wrote:Absolute nonsense and you deliberately lie once more. I talked about >>removing
Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 20:07:41 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:05:06 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 05:00:57 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 22:39:17 +1300, Allistar
<me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
wrote:Ignore it Allistar - Tony is just being a troll - if the case is >>>>>>>>>>> deemed vexatious Smith could end up paying for Crown costs, but it >>>>>>>>>>> is unlikely to take much time. Tony is trying to do a Trump by >>>>>>>>>>> ignoring the principles of Justice.
He has suffered a loss of dignity, apparently!http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/86535472/convicted-murderer-phillip-john-smith-sues-corrections-over-confiscated-hairpiece
Well, what about the boy he abused and the man he killed? >>>>>>>>>>>>> In addition to losing the privilege of voting (which I believe >>>>>>>>>>>>> he
and other criminals should lose), I think he should lose the >>>>>>>>>>>>> right
to private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges! >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tony
They're having a court case over a wig? FFS, what a waste. >>>>>>>>>>>
Ad hominem attacks aren't needed Rich. You can do better.
In effect Tony is trying to conpeople into agreeing that any action, >>>>>>>>> including physical abuse / torture, is or should be acceptable for >>>>>>>>> people convicted of any offence.
No he's not. Are you saying the denying someone a hair piece >>>>>>>>constitutes
torture?
No, but Tony is saying that no laws should apply to prisoners in >>>>>>> custody.
Tony has said nothing of the sort. You're being extremely dishonest >>>>>>Rich.
He may not have meant to, but that is what he said:
"I think he should lose the right
to private litigation until his sentence is over.
Screw the community, get caught, and lose your privileges! "
Where does that say that no laws should apply? Your dishonesty knows no >>>>bounds.
To not be able to defend oyourself against capricious or eveil acts
through the courts may bew the srt of totalitarian state that some
fantasise about, but it is not the sort of New Zealand that most of us >>>>> want. The rule of law, and its disassionate and uniform application is >>>>> our defence against capricious assult. Tony was wrong - and in a way >>>>> that leads directly to the sort of abuses of human rights that New
Zealand opbjects to when carried out in other countries.
That was difficult to read. You're begging the question. Tony has not >>>>advocated all laws be suspended for prisoners. To suggest he has said that >>>>shows either massive comprehension issues on your part or malice. Which is >>>>it?
If you are a prisoner and are not able to take a grievance through the >>>courts, for whatever reason, what defence do you have against any
actions by prison staff that otherwise would be againstthe law.
Removing the right to private litigation effectively removes the
ability to make an effective protest against all sorts of actions,
niot jkust the one that raised this issue. Tony is just being a
troll,; he probably throught he was being slippery enough to wriggle
away from his own words. but to remove the rights of prisoners to
private litigation is effectively the same as removing redres against
any legal action contrary to the rights of a prisoner.
certain priveleges not rights. Why you cannot understand the difference is a >>worry - oh - but you do understand the difference but that would not suit >>you
because it would be honest!
Tony
Just give it back to him if he is ever released from prison. Why all the >>fuss?
If he gets it now the other prisoners could grab it and destroy it.
It's not like dentures or spectacles. Prisoners should certainly be allowed >>to keep those.
A wooden leg? Maybe, but that could be used to bash somebody.
Ridiculous, isn't it? And now everybody knows he is partly bald!
We don't really know why he is not allowed to have the wig - we do
however know that he sees this as an additional punishment not set by
the court but unreasonably imposed by the prison management. Whether
removing it is reasonable to not will be determined by the court. Tony
is calling for prison management to be able to impose additional
penalties by not allowing anything they do to be questioned to the >appropriate authorities - in this case the court.
He has not explainedWhat makes you think it was arbitrary? Lying again are you?
how he would allow that, but it would in my view require a law change.
If there is no danger to him or other prisoners then why not let him
keep the wig - if it causes problems take it away on safety grounds,
but his lawyer seems to think there is a legal case to be answered -
getting around the court by allowing arbitrary actions by the prison
is not the right way to go.
We did see a photo of Smith without the wig - I didn;t think the wig
did much for him, but that is no reason to ban it!
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