FIrst the Promise >http://www.newshub.co.nz/tvshows/campbelllive/pike-river-mine-families-feeling-abandoned-by-prime-minster-2012101515Nobody feels for the families more than I do.
and the position back in >2012:http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/7929647/Pike-entry-possible-experts
Now there are plans to seal the mine.
and John Campbell after another 4 years:
https://youtu.be/W5wbwWkIfKM
Another article >http://thejackalman.blogspot.co.nz/2012/01/pike-river-broken-promises.html
From that article:
"Monk would write to Prime Minister John Key urging the Government to
allow access to the drift.
"It's just bloody frustrating. Have we had any more explosions in the
last six years? Have we had any more gas problems? The answer is no.
Yet they still won't do the job," he said.
"We're not asking them to go and get the men out, we're asking them to >retrieve the drift. It'll give accountability and justice, which is
what the families want."
Key said he had not seen any evidence suggesting the mine was safe to >re-enter.
"I haven't seen any evidence to support that.
"Historically the view has been from our officials and our experts
that it's too dangerous, and I haven't seen anything that would
counter that view," he said. "
___
Those are weasel words from our prime minister - he carefully avoids
saying whether theere is any advice, and if there is not he should get
some!
John Key made a promise - the issue now is how often he can break
promises and get away with it
FIrst the Promise http://www.newshub.co.nz/tvshows/campbelllive/pike-river-mine-families-feeling-abandoned-by-prime-minster-2012101515
and the position back in 2012:http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/7929647/Pike-entry-possible-experts
Now there are plans to seal the mine.
and John Campbell after another 4 years:
https://youtu.be/W5wbwWkIfKM
Another article http://thejackalman.blogspot.co.nz/2012/01/pike-river-broken-promises.html
From that article:
"Monk would write to Prime Minister John Key urging the Government to
allow access to the drift.
"It's just bloody frustrating. Have we had any more explosions in the
last six years? Have we had any more gas problems? The answer is no.
Yet they still won't do the job," he said.
"We're not asking them to go and get the men out, we're asking them to retrieve the drift. It'll give accountability and justice, which is
what the families want."
Key said he had not seen any evidence suggesting the mine was safe to re-enter.
"I haven't seen any evidence to support that.
"Historically the view has been from our officials and our experts
that it's too dangerous, and I haven't seen anything that would
counter that view," he said. "
___
Those are weasel words from our prime minister - he carefully avoids
saying whether theere is any advice, and if there is not he should get
some!
John Key made a promise - the issue now is how often he can break
promises and get away with it
On Sunday, 13 November 2016 08:30:44 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
FIrst the Promise
http://www.newshub.co.nz/tvshows/campbelllive/pike-river-mine-families-feeling-abandoned-by-prime-minster-2012101515
and the position back in
2012:http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/7929647/Pike-entry-possible-experts
Now there are plans to seal the mine.
and John Campbell after another 4 years:
https://youtu.be/W5wbwWkIfKM
Another article
http://thejackalman.blogspot.co.nz/2012/01/pike-river-broken-promises.html >>
From that article:
"Monk would write to Prime Minister John Key urging the Government to
allow access to the drift.
"It's just bloody frustrating. Have we had any more explosions in the
last six years? Have we had any more gas problems? The answer is no.
Yet they still won't do the job," he said.
"We're not asking them to go and get the men out, we're asking them to
retrieve the drift. It'll give accountability and justice, which is
what the families want."
Key said he had not seen any evidence suggesting the mine was safe to
re-enter.
"I haven't seen any evidence to support that.
"Historically the view has been from our officials and our experts
that it's too dangerous, and I haven't seen anything that would
counter that view," he said. "
___
Those are weasel words from our prime minister - he carefully avoids
saying whether theere is any advice, and if there is not he should get
some!
John Key made a promise - the issue now is how often he can break
promises and get away with it
Key will do whatever his experts tell him. Not what you or a family member wants.
If Angry Andy was in charge he'd be the same. And you'd be silent. Because youare a fucking little shit stain attempting to make political capital out of a tragedy.
On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 22:25:16 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
FIrst the PromiseNobody feels for the families more than I do.
http://www.newshub.co.nz/tvshows/campbelllive/pike-river-mine-families-feeling-abandoned-by-prime-minster-2012101515
and the position back in
2012:http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/7929647/Pike-entry-possible-experts
Now there are plans to seal the mine.
and John Campbell after another 4 years:
https://youtu.be/W5wbwWkIfKM
Another article
http://thejackalman.blogspot.co.nz/2012/01/pike-river-broken-promises.html >>>
From that article:
"Monk would write to Prime Minister John Key urging the Government to
allow access to the drift.
"It's just bloody frustrating. Have we had any more explosions in the
last six years? Have we had any more gas problems? The answer is no.
Yet they still won't do the job," he said.
"We're not asking them to go and get the men out, we're asking them to
retrieve the drift. It'll give accountability and justice, which is
what the families want."
Key said he had not seen any evidence suggesting the mine was safe to
re-enter.
"I haven't seen any evidence to support that.
"Historically the view has been from our officials and our experts
that it's too dangerous, and I haven't seen anything that would
counter that view," he said. "
___
Those are weasel words from our prime minister - he carefully avoids
saying whether theere is any advice, and if there is not he should get
some!
John Key made a promise - the issue now is how often he can break
promises and get away with it
I have looked for any information about how safe the mine is but there is
nothing specific that I have found, one of your links is about 3 unnamed
experts; it would be useful to have names so we can judge the authenticity of
their opinions.
The folks who want their loved ones returned and buried would surely not want
anybody else to die. There is no logic in suggesting the decision is financial.
The actual cost is close to trivial; a few million dollars at most. No, I think
we need more evidence before we commit the safety of others to this.
Tony
But in the meantime you do not see why they are objecting to money
being spent on a permanat sealing of the mine . . .
John Key promised, and is now being seen as breaking that promise - he
should be putting his actions where his mouth was, and at least
getting truly independent advise on whether at least part of the mine
can now be re-entered to see if any bodies can be recovered. The
families are not asking for anyone to be put in danger of death - that appears to be your addition to the debate; it has not been suggested
by anyone else, but appears to be an attempt on your part at
attributing a distorted claim to the families to try and distract from
the lack of proper action in accordance with the promise made by the
PM 6 years ago. Your spin would make Farrar proud . . .
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
FIrst the Promise >>http://www.newshub.co.nz/tvshows/campbelllive/pike-river-mine-families-feeling-abandoned-by-prime-minster-2012101515Nobody feels for the families more than I do.
and the position back in >>2012:http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/7929647/Pike-entry-possible-experts
Now there are plans to seal the mine.
and John Campbell after another 4 years:
https://youtu.be/W5wbwWkIfKM
Another article >>http://thejackalman.blogspot.co.nz/2012/01/pike-river-broken-promises.html
From that article:
"Monk would write to Prime Minister John Key urging the Government to
allow access to the drift.
"It's just bloody frustrating. Have we had any more explosions in the
last six years? Have we had any more gas problems? The answer is no.
Yet they still won't do the job," he said.
"We're not asking them to go and get the men out, we're asking them to >>retrieve the drift. It'll give accountability and justice, which is
what the families want."
Key said he had not seen any evidence suggesting the mine was safe to >>re-enter.
"I haven't seen any evidence to support that.
"Historically the view has been from our officials and our experts
that it's too dangerous, and I haven't seen anything that would
counter that view," he said. "
___
Those are weasel words from our prime minister - he carefully avoids
saying whether theere is any advice, and if there is not he should get >>some!
John Key made a promise - the issue now is how often he can break
promises and get away with it
I have looked for any information about how safe the mine is but there is >nothing specific that I have found, one of your links is about 3 unnamed >experts; it would be useful to have names so we can judge the authenticity of >their opinions.
The folks who want their loved ones returned and buried would surely not want >anybody else to die. There is no logic in suggesting the decision is financial.
The actual cost is close to trivial; a few million dollars at most. No, I think
we need more evidence before we commit the safety of others to this.
Tony
FIrst the Promise >http://www.newshub.co.nz/tvshows/campbelllive/pike-river-mine-families-feeling-abandoned-by-prime-minster-2012101515
and the position back in >2012:http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/7929647/Pike-entry-possible-experts
Now there are plans to seal the mine.
and John Campbell after another 4 years:
https://youtu.be/W5wbwWkIfKM
Another article >http://thejackalman.blogspot.co.nz/2012/01/pike-river-broken-promises.html
From that article:
"Monk would write to Prime Minister John Key urging the Government to
allow access to the drift.
"It's just bloody frustrating. Have we had any more explosions in the
last six years? Have we had any more gas problems? The answer is no.
Yet they still won't do the job," he said.
"We're not asking them to go and get the men out, we're asking them to >retrieve the drift. It'll give accountability and justice, which is
what the families want."
Key said he had not seen any evidence suggesting the mine was safe to >re-enter.
"I haven't seen any evidence to support that.
"Historically the view has been from our officials and our experts
that it's too dangerous, and I haven't seen anything that would
counter that view," he said. "
___
Those are weasel words from our prime minister - he carefully avoids
saying whether theere is any advice, and if there is not he should get
some!
John Key made a promise - the issue now is how often he can break
promises and get away with it
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 00:22:55 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sunday, 13 November 2016 08:30:44 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
FIrst the Promise
http://www.newshub.co.nz/tvshows/campbelllive/pike-river-mine-families-feeling-abandoned-by-prime-minster-2012101515
and the position back in
2012:http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/7929647/Pike-entry-possible-experts
Now there are plans to seal the mine.
and John Campbell after another 4 years:
https://youtu.be/W5wbwWkIfKM
Another article
http://thejackalman.blogspot.co.nz/2012/01/pike-river-broken-promises.html >>>
From that article:
"Monk would write to Prime Minister John Key urging the Government to
allow access to the drift.
"It's just bloody frustrating. Have we had any more explosions in the
last six years? Have we had any more gas problems? The answer is no.
Yet they still won't do the job," he said.
"We're not asking them to go and get the men out, we're asking them to
retrieve the drift. It'll give accountability and justice, which is
what the families want."
Key said he had not seen any evidence suggesting the mine was safe to
re-enter.
"I haven't seen any evidence to support that.
"Historically the view has been from our officials and our experts
that it's too dangerous, and I haven't seen anything that would
counter that view," he said. "
___
Those are weasel words from our prime minister - he carefully avoids
saying whether theere is any advice, and if there is not he should get
some!
John Key made a promise - the issue now is how often he can break
promises and get away with it
Key will do whatever his experts tell him. Not what you or a family member wants.
What experts! - He is standing by and watching whilethe Company plans
on sealing the mine permanently. Do you think he has even asked for
any experts to give an opinion?
a tragedy.If Angry Andy was in charge he'd be the same. And you'd be silent. Because you are a fucking little shit stain attempting to make political capital out of
If a prime minister cannot be held to his promise then its time for
another prime minister. This is not about the opposition - and your
statement is just a pathetic attempt to claim - without any evidence -
that Key is only doing what others would do. Your sleazy and
irrelevant accusations ignore that it is the promise that John Key
made that is being measured - no-one forced him to make such a
promise, but he did, and should now live up to it.
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 00:22:55 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>wants.
wrote:
On Sunday, 13 November 2016 08:30:44 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
FIrst the Promise
http://www.newshub.co.nz/tvshows/campbelllive/pike-river-mine-families-feeling-abandoned-by-prime-minster-2012101515
and the position back in
2012:http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/7929647/Pike-entry-possible-experts
Now there are plans to seal the mine.
and John Campbell after another 4 years:
https://youtu.be/W5wbwWkIfKM
Another article
http://thejackalman.blogspot.co.nz/2012/01/pike-river-broken-promises.html >>
From that article:
"Monk would write to Prime Minister John Key urging the Government to
allow access to the drift.
"It's just bloody frustrating. Have we had any more explosions in the
last six years? Have we had any more gas problems? The answer is no.
Yet they still won't do the job," he said.
"We're not asking them to go and get the men out, we're asking them to
retrieve the drift. It'll give accountability and justice, which is
what the families want."
Key said he had not seen any evidence suggesting the mine was safe to
re-enter.
"I haven't seen any evidence to support that.
"Historically the view has been from our officials and our experts
that it's too dangerous, and I haven't seen anything that would
counter that view," he said. "
___
Those are weasel words from our prime minister - he carefully avoids
saying whether theere is any advice, and if there is not he should get
some!
John Key made a promise - the issue now is how often he can break
promises and get away with it
Key will do whatever his experts tell him. Not what you or a family member
What experts!
- He is standing by and watching whilethe Company plans
on sealing the mine permanently. Do you think he has even asked for
any experts to give an opinion?
you are a fucking little shit stain attempting to make political capital out ofIf Angry Andy was in charge he'd be the same. And you'd be silent. Because
If a prime minister cannot be held to his promise then its time for
another prime minister. This is not about the opposition - and your
statement is just a pathetic attempt to claim - without any evidence -
that Key is only doing what others would do. Your sleazy and
irrelevant accusations ignore that it is the promise that John Key
made that is being measured - no-one forced him to make such a
promise, but he did, and should now live up to it.
Nobody feels for the families more than I do.financial.
I have looked for any information about how safe the mine is but there is nothing specific that I have found, one of your links is about 3 unnamed experts; it would be useful to have names so we can judge the authenticity of their opinions.
The folks who want their loved ones returned and buried would surely not want anybody else to die. There is no logic in suggesting the decision is
The actual cost is close to trivial; a few million dollars at most. No, Ithink
we need more evidence before we commit the safety of others to this.
Tony
On Sunday, 13 November 2016 23:07:44 UTC+13, Pooh wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 00:22:55 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sunday, 13 November 2016 08:30:44 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
FIrst the Promise
http://www.newshub.co.nz/tvshows/campbelllive/pike-river-mine-families-feeling-abandoned-by-prime-minster-2012101515
and the position back in
2012:http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/7929647/Pike-entry-possible-experts
Now there are plans to seal the mine.
and John Campbell after another 4 years:
https://youtu.be/W5wbwWkIfKM
Another article
http://thejackalman.blogspot.co.nz/2012/01/pike-river-broken-promises.html
From that article:
"Monk would write to Prime Minister John Key urging the Government to
allow access to the drift.
"It's just bloody frustrating. Have we had any more explosions in the
last six years? Have we had any more gas problems? The answer is no.
Yet they still won't do the job," he said.
"We're not asking them to go and get the men out, we're asking them to
retrieve the drift. It'll give accountability and justice, which is
what the families want."
Key said he had not seen any evidence suggesting the mine was safe to
re-enter.
"I haven't seen any evidence to support that.
"Historically the view has been from our officials and our experts
that it's too dangerous, and I haven't seen anything that would
counter that view," he said. "
___
Those are weasel words from our prime minister - he carefully avoids
saying whether theere is any advice, and if there is not he should get
some!
John Key made a promise - the issue now is how often he can break
promises and get away with it
Key will do whatever his experts tell him. Not what you or a family member wants.
There is no evidence that any advice has been asked for - they just
What experts!
- He is standing by and watching whilethe Company plans
on sealing the mine permanently. Do you think he has even asked for
any experts to give an opinion?
Yes I do. As would any sane person.
a tragedy.
If Angry Andy was in charge he'd be the same. And you'd be silent. Because you are a fucking little shit stain attempting to make political capital out of
He doesn;t know that - as he says he has not seen any advice.If a prime minister cannot be held to his promise then its time for
His promise was they would do they best they could to get them out. Key's a politician. Why wouldn't he get them out - it would be a PR goldmine. But he can't because it is too risky.
You don't risk people's lives to retrieve bodies. End of story.
Unless you a re a filthy little propagandist looking for political capital outof tragedy that is.
And of course you avoid replying to that - I am surprised you did notanother prime minister. This is not about the opposition - and your
statement is just a pathetic attempt to claim - without any evidence -
that Key is only doing what others would do. Your sleazy and
irrelevant accusations ignore that it is the promise that John Key
made that is being measured - no-one forced him to make such a
promise, but he did, and should now live up to it.
On 11/13/2016 5:25 PM, Tony wrote:
Nobody feels for the families more than I do.Why doesn't Rich whip down there and do the big entry thing as he knows
I have looked for any information about how safe the mine is but there is
nothing specific that I have found, one of your links is about 3 unnamed
experts; it would be useful to have names so we can judge the authenticity of
their opinions.
The folks who want their loved ones returned and buried would surely not want
anybody else to die. There is no logic in suggesting the decision is financial.
The actual cost is close to trivial; a few million dollars at most. No, I think
we need more evidence before we commit the safety of others to this.
Tony
so much about mine safety.
If some-one with a number of years underground says its not safe I'd
rather believe him.
They've lost enough men.And no-one wants to lose more - the only people talking of putting
Seal it up
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 08:42:45 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:of
On 11/13/2016 5:25 PM, Tony wrote:
Nobody feels for the families more than I do.
I have looked for any information about how safe the mine is but there is >> nothing specific that I have found, one of your links is about 3 unnamed >> experts; it would be useful to have names so we can judge the authenticity
wanttheir opinions.
The folks who want their loved ones returned and buried would surely not
financial.anybody else to die. There is no logic in suggesting the decision is
thinkThe actual cost is close to trivial; a few million dollars at most. No, I
we need more evidence before we commit the safety of others to this.Why doesn't Rich whip down there and do the big entry thing as he knows
Tony
so much about mine safety.
If some-one with a number of years underground says its not safe I'd
rather believe him.
Do you have a cite for any expert opinion being asked for or received?
Even John Key says he has not seen any advice.
They've lost enough men.And no-one wants to lose more - the only people talking of putting
people at risk are those running spin for our lying and uncaring prime minister
Seal it up
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 08:30:53 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
FIrst the Promise >>http://www.newshub.co.nz/tvshows/campbelllive/pike-river-mine-families-feeling-abandoned-by-prime-minster-2012101515
and the position back in >>2012:http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/7929647/Pike-entry-possible-experts
Now there are plans to seal the mine.
and John Campbell after another 4 years:
https://youtu.be/W5wbwWkIfKM
Another article >>http://thejackalman.blogspot.co.nz/2012/01/pike-river-broken-promises.html
From that article:
"Monk would write to Prime Minister John Key urging the Government to
allow access to the drift.
"It's just bloody frustrating. Have we had any more explosions in the
last six years? Have we had any more gas problems? The answer is no.
Yet they still won't do the job," he said.
"We're not asking them to go and get the men out, we're asking them to >>retrieve the drift. It'll give accountability and justice, which is
what the families want."
Key said he had not seen any evidence suggesting the mine was safe to >>re-enter.
"I haven't seen any evidence to support that.
"Historically the view has been from our officials and our experts
that it's too dangerous, and I haven't seen anything that would
counter that view," he said. "
___
Those are weasel words from our prime minister - he carefully avoids
saying whether theere is any advice, and if there is not he should get >>some!
John Key made a promise - the issue now is how often he can break
promises and get away with it
"John Key made a promise"
So what
Only a complete Fuckwit would expect Key to send a team of men two km underground To collect a bit of ash. If they did find a bit of ash. What are >the families going to do with it.Who has suggested 2km? Apparently there is a certain distance which
Stick it into the ground again. All a bit pointless.
Then again. They may find the gaz detectors still taped up. And a few fag ends laying around.
Better to seal up and move on.
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 11:16:30 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>member wants.
wrote:
On Sunday, 13 November 2016 23:07:44 UTC+13, Pooh wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 00:22:55 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sunday, 13 November 2016 08:30:44 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
FIrst the Promise
http://www.newshub.co.nz/tvshows/campbelllive/pike-river-mine-families-feeling-abandoned-by-prime-minster-2012101515
and the position back in
2012:http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/7929647/Pike-entry-possible-experts
Now there are plans to seal the mine.
and John Campbell after another 4 years:
https://youtu.be/W5wbwWkIfKM
Another article
http://thejackalman.blogspot.co.nz/2012/01/pike-river-broken-promises.html
From that article:
"Monk would write to Prime Minister John Key urging the Government to >> >> allow access to the drift.
"It's just bloody frustrating. Have we had any more explosions in the >> >> last six years? Have we had any more gas problems? The answer is no.
Yet they still won't do the job," he said.
"We're not asking them to go and get the men out, we're asking them to >> >> retrieve the drift. It'll give accountability and justice, which is
what the families want."
Key said he had not seen any evidence suggesting the mine was safe to >> >> re-enter.
"I haven't seen any evidence to support that.
"Historically the view has been from our officials and our experts
that it's too dangerous, and I haven't seen anything that would
counter that view," he said. "
___
Those are weasel words from our prime minister - he carefully avoids
saying whether theere is any advice, and if there is not he should get >> >> some!
John Key made a promise - the issue now is how often he can break
promises and get away with it
Key will do whatever his experts tell him. Not what you or a family
From his statements it appears that Key has not even asked for any
advice from experts.
What experts!
- He is standing by and watching whilethe Company plans
on sealing the mine permanently. Do you think he has even asked for
any experts to give an opinion?
Yes I do. As would any sane person.There is no evidence that any advice has been asked for - they just
want to close it up - permanently.
Because you are a fucking little shit stain attempting to make political capital out of a tragedy.
If Angry Andy was in charge he'd be the same. And you'd be silent.
politician. Why wouldn't he get them out - it would be a PR goldmine. But he can't because it is too risky.If a prime minister cannot be held to his promise then its time for
His promise was they would do they best they could to get them out. Key's a
He doesn;t know that - as he says he has not seen any advice.
You don't risk people's lives to retrieve bodies. End of story.
Nobody is asking for that.
out of tragedy that is.Unless you a re a filthy little propagandist looking for political capital
So you don't care about the fdamilies feelings either . . . - or
about a politician weaseling his way to avoid a promise by not even
asking for advice before seeing the mine permanently sealed..
And of course you avoid replying to that - I am surprised you did notanother prime minister. This is not about the opposition - and your
statement is just a pathetic attempt to claim - without any evidence -
that Key is only doing what others would do. Your sleazy and
irrelevant accusations ignore that it is the promise that John Key
made that is being measured - no-one forced him to make such a
promise, but he did, and should now live up to it.
do the usual right-spin and delete it from teh post - perhaps there is
some little hope for you yet .
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen no advice.that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support the view
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said.
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 08:42:45 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:of
On 11/13/2016 5:25 PM, Tony wrote:
Nobody feels for the families more than I do.
I have looked for any information about how safe the mine is but there is >> nothing specific that I have found, one of your links is about 3 unnamed >> experts; it would be useful to have names so we can judge the authenticity
wanttheir opinions.
The folks who want their loved ones returned and buried would surely not
financial.anybody else to die. There is no logic in suggesting the decision is
thinkThe actual cost is close to trivial; a few million dollars at most. No, I
we need more evidence before we commit the safety of others to this.Why doesn't Rich whip down there and do the big entry thing as he knows
Tony
so much about mine safety.
If some-one with a number of years underground says its not safe I'd
rather believe him.
Do you have a cite for any expert opinion being asked for or received?
Even John Key says he has not seen any advice.
They've lost enough men.And no-one wants to lose more - the only people talking of putting
people at risk are those running spin for our lying and uncaring prime minister
Seal it up
On Monday, 14 November 2016 09:53:56 UTC+13, george wrote:
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen no advice. >>>
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support the view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said.
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
Pretty much any time he posts it contains a lie.
On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 22:25:16 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netThe promise was to do whatever is possible. In the last two weeks the only report is that it is still dangerous.
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
FIrst the Promise >>>http://www.newshub.co.nz/tvshows/campbelllive/pike-river-mine-families-feeling-abandoned-by-prime-minster-2012101515Nobody feels for the families more than I do.
and the position back in >>>2012:http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/7929647/Pike-entry-possible-experts
Now there are plans to seal the mine.
and John Campbell after another 4 years:
https://youtu.be/W5wbwWkIfKM
Another article >>>http://thejackalman.blogspot.co.nz/2012/01/pike-river-broken-promises.html >>>
From that article:
"Monk would write to Prime Minister John Key urging the Government to >>>allow access to the drift.
"It's just bloody frustrating. Have we had any more explosions in the >>>last six years? Have we had any more gas problems? The answer is no.
Yet they still won't do the job," he said.
"We're not asking them to go and get the men out, we're asking them to >>>retrieve the drift. It'll give accountability and justice, which is
what the families want."
Key said he had not seen any evidence suggesting the mine was safe to >>>re-enter.
"I haven't seen any evidence to support that.
"Historically the view has been from our officials and our experts
that it's too dangerous, and I haven't seen anything that would
counter that view," he said. "
___
Those are weasel words from our prime minister - he carefully avoids >>>saying whether theere is any advice, and if there is not he should get >>>some!
John Key made a promise - the issue now is how often he can break >>>promises and get away with it
I have looked for any information about how safe the mine is but there is >>nothing specific that I have found, one of your links is about 3 unnamed >>experts; it would be useful to have names so we can judge the authenticity of >>their opinions.
The folks who want their loved ones returned and buried would surely not want >>anybody else to die. There is no logic in suggesting the decision is >>financial.
The actual cost is close to trivial; a few million dollars at most. No, I >>think
we need more evidence before we commit the safety of others to this.
Tony
But in the meantime you do not see why they are objecting to money
being spent on a permanat sealing of the mine . . .
John Key promised, and is now being seen as breaking that promise - he
should be putting his actions where his mouth was, and at least
getting truly independent advise on whether at least part of the mine
can now be re-entered to see if any bodies can be recovered. The
families are not asking for anyone to be put in danger of death - that >appears to be your addition to the debate; it has not been suggested
by anyone else, but appears to be an attempt on your part at
attributing a distorted claim to the families to try and distract from
the lack of proper action in accordance with the promise made by the
PM 6 years ago. Your spin would make Farrar proud . . .
On Monday, 14 November 2016 09:32:52 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 11:16:30 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sunday, 13 November 2016 23:07:44 UTC+13, Pooh wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 00:22:55 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sunday, 13 November 2016 08:30:44 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
FIrst the Promise
http://www.newshub.co.nz/tvshows/campbelllive/pike-river-mine-families-feeling-abandoned-by-prime-minster-2012101515
and the position back in
2012:http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/7929647/Pike-entry-possible-experts
Now there are plans to seal the mine.
and John Campbell after another 4 years:
https://youtu.be/W5wbwWkIfKM
Another article
http://thejackalman.blogspot.co.nz/2012/01/pike-river-broken-promises.html
From that article:
"Monk would write to Prime Minister John Key urging the Government to >> >> >> allow access to the drift.
"It's just bloody frustrating. Have we had any more explosions in the >> >> >> last six years? Have we had any more gas problems? The answer is no. >> >> >> Yet they still won't do the job," he said.
"We're not asking them to go and get the men out, we're asking them to >> >> >> retrieve the drift. It'll give accountability and justice, which is
what the families want."
Key said he had not seen any evidence suggesting the mine was safe to >> >> >> re-enter.
"I haven't seen any evidence to support that.
"Historically the view has been from our officials and our experts
that it's too dangerous, and I haven't seen anything that would
counter that view," he said. "
___
Those are weasel words from our prime minister - he carefully avoids >> >> >> saying whether theere is any advice, and if there is not he should get >> >> >> some!
John Key made a promise - the issue now is how often he can break
promises and get away with it
Key will do whatever his experts tell him. Not what you or a family member wants.
published source and don't make it up.
From his statements it appears that Key has not even asked for any
advice from experts.
What statements are you referring to? Please cite with a proper reference to a
What experts!
- He is standing by and watching whilethe Company plans
on sealing the mine permanently. Do you think he has even asked for
any experts to give an opinion?
Yes I do. As would any sane person.
There is no evidence that any advice has been asked for - they just
want to close it up - permanently.
Why would they want to do that?
If Angry Andy was in charge he'd be the same. And you'd be silent. Because you are a fucking little shit stain attempting to make political capital out of a tragedy.If a prime minister cannot be held to his promise then its time for
politician. Why wouldn't he get them out - it would be a PR goldmine. But he can't because it is too risky.
His promise was they would do they best they could to get them out. Key's a
See above, but just for you :He doesn;t know that - as he says he has not seen any advice.
Cite.
The experts say it can be done safely - do you think they should be
You don't risk people's lives to retrieve bodies. End of story.
Nobody is asking for that.
Of course they are. Re-entering the mine is dangerous.
It was one option - but then you are a just a filthy littleSo you don't care about the fdamilies feelings either . . . - or
Unless you a re a filthy little propagandist looking for political capital out of tragedy that is.
I never said or indicated that. You made it up.
See above - and watch the video of Jhn Key making the promiseabout a politician weaseling his way to avoid a promise by not even
asking for advice before seeing the mine permanently sealed..
Cite.
Watch the video - apparently Key chooses not to remember what he said
And of course you avoid replying to that - I am surprised you did not
another prime minister. This is not about the opposition - and your
statement is just a pathetic attempt to claim - without any evidence -
that Key is only doing what others would do. Your sleazy and
irrelevant accusations ignore that it is the promise that John Key
made that is being measured - no-one forced him to make such a
promise, but he did, and should now live up to it.
do the usual right-spin and delete it from teh post - perhaps there is
some little hope for you yet .
As I already explained, you dead brained little fuckwit, Key only ever made a promise to do the best they could. He's not dumb enough to promise more than that.
"John Key made a promise"
So what
I agree - most people now know that a John Key promise is not worthThe mine is unsafe.
its weight in toilet paper.
The mine is unsafe.Only a complete Fuckwit would expect Key to send a team of men two km underground To collect a bit of ash. If they did find a bit of ash. What are >>the families going to do with it.Who has suggested 2km? Apparently there is a certain distance which
experts believed in 2012 could be searched; but advice should be
sought now instead of just sealing the mne permanently.
Stick it into the ground again. All a bit pointless.
Then again. They may find the gaz detectors still taped up. And a few fag ends laying around.
Better to seal up and move on.
Yes there ae some dipsticks who just want to cover things up - can't
stand the truth, and don't care about the feelings of the families. I
am not surprised that you join John Key in utter contempt of promises
made and the feelings of the families.
On Monday, 14 November 2016 09:35:48 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:think
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 08:42:45 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 11/13/2016 5:25 PM, Tony wrote:
Nobody feels for the families more than I do.
I have looked for any information about how safe the mine is but there is >> >> nothing specific that I have found, one of your links is about 3 unnamed >> >> experts; it would be useful to have names so we can judge the authenticity of
their opinions.
The folks who want their loved ones returned and buried would surely not want
anybody else to die. There is no logic in suggesting the decision is financial.
The actual cost is close to trivial; a few million dollars at most. No, I
Pike River Mine was safe to enter.we need more evidence before we commit the safety of others to this.Why doesn't Rich whip down there and do the big entry thing as he knows
Tony
so much about mine safety.
If some-one with a number of years underground says its not safe I'd
rather believe him.
Do you have a cite for any expert opinion being asked for or received?
Even John Key says he has not seen any advice.
They've lost enough men.And no-one wants to lose more - the only people talking of putting
people at risk are those running spin for our lying and uncaring prime
minister
Seal it up
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen no advice.
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support the view that
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said.
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen no advice. >>
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support the view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said.
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...Key is carefully avoiding reading any new advice - read: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378
On Monday, 14 November 2016 09:53:56 UTC+13, george wrote:Read:
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen no advice. >> >
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support the view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said.
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
Pretty much any time he posts it contains a lie.
On 11/14/2016 10:27 AM, JohnO wrote:
On Monday, 14 November 2016 09:53:56 UTC+13, george wrote:With a score card like that
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen no advice. >>>>
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support the view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said.
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
Pretty much any time he posts it contains a lie.
Is he working for pitiful Peters or lying Liebor ?
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen no advice.
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support the view
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said.
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 12:49:46 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>is
wrote:
On Monday, 14 November 2016 09:35:48 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 08:42:45 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 11/13/2016 5:25 PM, Tony wrote:
Nobody feels for the families more than I do.
I have looked for any information about how safe the mine is but there
unnamednothing specific that I have found, one of your links is about 3
authenticity ofexperts; it would be useful to have names so we can judge the
not wanttheir opinions.
The folks who want their loved ones returned and buried would surely
financial.anybody else to die. There is no logic in suggesting the decision is
I thinkThe actual cost is close to trivial; a few million dollars at most. No,
that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.we need more evidence before we commit the safety of others to this.Why doesn't Rich whip down there and do the big entry thing as he knows >> >so much about mine safety.
Tony
If some-one with a number of years underground says its not safe I'd
rather believe him.
Do you have a cite for any expert opinion being asked for or received?
Even John Key says he has not seen any advice.
They've lost enough men.And no-one wants to lose more - the only people talking of putting
people at risk are those running spin for our lying and uncaring prime
minister
Seal it up
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen no advice.
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support the view
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said.
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
That is Key saying he had seen no advice - he is referring to historic
advice from a few years ago . . .
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 12:38:23 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>to
wrote:
On Monday, 14 November 2016 09:32:52 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 11:16:30 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sunday, 13 November 2016 23:07:44 UTC+13, Pooh wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 00:22:55 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >> >> wrote:
On Sunday, 13 November 2016 08:30:44 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
FIrst the Promise
http://www.newshub.co.nz/tvshows/campbelllive/pike-river-mine-families-feeling-abandoned-by-prime-minster-2012101515
and the position back in
2012:http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/7929647/Pike-entry-possible-experts
Now there are plans to seal the mine.
and John Campbell after another 4 years:
https://youtu.be/W5wbwWkIfKM
Another article
http://thejackalman.blogspot.co.nz/2012/01/pike-river-broken-promises.html
From that article:
"Monk would write to Prime Minister John Key urging the Government
theallow access to the drift.
"It's just bloody frustrating. Have we had any more explosions in
tolast six years? Have we had any more gas problems? The answer is no. >> >> >> Yet they still won't do the job," he said.
"We're not asking them to go and get the men out, we're asking them
toretrieve the drift. It'll give accountability and justice, which is >> >> >> what the families want."
Key said he had not seen any evidence suggesting the mine was safe
getre-enter.
"I haven't seen any evidence to support that.
"Historically the view has been from our officials and our experts >> >> >> that it's too dangerous, and I haven't seen anything that would
counter that view," he said. "
___
Those are weasel words from our prime minister - he carefully avoids >> >> >> saying whether theere is any advice, and if there is not he should
member wants.some!
John Key made a promise - the issue now is how often he can break
promises and get away with it
Key will do whatever his experts tell him. Not what you or a family
He carefully avoids reading any evidence - so what experts are youa published source and don't make it up.
referring to?
From his statements it appears that Key has not even asked for any
advice from experts.
What statements are you referring to? Please cite with a proper reference to
Read above: "I haven't seen any evidence to support that.
"Historically the view has been from our officials and our experts
that it's too dangerous, and I haven't seen anything that would
counter that view," he said. "
What experts!
- He is standing by and watching whilethe Company plans
on sealing the mine permanently. Do you think he has even asked for
any experts to give an opinion?
Yes I do. As would any sane person.
A report today says that there is such expert opinion - which is that
the mine can be entered safely: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378
There is no evidence that any advice has been asked for - they just
want to close it up - permanently.
Why would they want to do that?
Who knows - but you can't go far wrong by looking at the money - that
trumps people any day in Planet Key . . .
Because you are a fucking little shit stain attempting to make political capital out of a tragedy.If Angry Andy was in charge he'd be the same. And you'd be silent.
If a prime minister cannot be held to his promise then its time for
From the link above:
"Labour leader Andrew Little said independent, objective advice from
mines experts had shown the drift near the entrance of the mine was
safe to re-enter.
"If the advice that they now seem to be receiving is accurate ... thena politician. Why wouldn't he get them out - it would be a PR goldmine. But he can't because it is too risky.
what possible impediment is there to go and check that out. Why
wouldn't you give it a go?"
The Government could not say it had fulfilled its promise to do
"everything it could" unless it took this step, he said. "
His promise was they would do they best they could to get them out. Key's
He doesn;t know that - as he says he has not seen any advice.
Cite.See above, but just for you :
"I haven't seen any evidence to support that. "Historically the view
has been from our officials and our experts that it's too dangerous,
and I haven't seen anything that would
counter that view," he said. "
capital out of tragedy that is.
You don't risk people's lives to retrieve bodies. End of story.
Nobody is asking for that.
Of course they are. Re-entering the mine is dangerous.The experts say it can be done safely - do you think they should be
ignored?
Unless you a re a filthy little propagandist looking for political
a promise to do the best they could. He's not dumb enough to promise more than that.So you don't care about the fdamilies feelings either . . . - or
I never said or indicated that. You made it up.It was one option - but then you are a just a filthy little
propagandist sputing lines you do not really understand . . .
about a politician weaseling his way to avoid a promise by not even
asking for advice before seeing the mine permanently sealed..
Cite.See above - and watch the video of Jhn Key making the promise
And of course you avoid replying to that - I am surprised you did not
another prime minister. This is not about the opposition - and your
statement is just a pathetic attempt to claim - without any evidence - >> >> that Key is only doing what others would do. Your sleazy and
irrelevant accusations ignore that it is the promise that John Key
made that is being measured - no-one forced him to make such a
promise, but he did, and should now live up to it.
do the usual right-spin and delete it from teh post - perhaps there is
some little hope for you yet .
As I already explained, you dead brained little fuckwit, Key only ever made
Watch the video - apparently Key chooses not to remember what he said
. . .
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 13:27:06 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>advice.
wrote:
On Monday, 14 November 2016 09:53:56 UTC+13, george wrote:
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen no
view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support the
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said.
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
Pretty much any time he posts it contains a lie.Read:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:What report is that, Tony? All John Key said was that he had not seen
On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 22:25:16 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netThe promise was to do whatever is possible. In the last two weeks the only >report is that it is still dangerous.
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
FIrst the Promise >>>>http://www.newshub.co.nz/tvshows/campbelllive/pike-river-mine-families-feeling-abandoned-by-prime-minster-2012101515Nobody feels for the families more than I do.
and the position back in >>>>2012:http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/7929647/Pike-entry-possible-experts
Now there are plans to seal the mine.
and John Campbell after another 4 years:
https://youtu.be/W5wbwWkIfKM
Another article >>>>http://thejackalman.blogspot.co.nz/2012/01/pike-river-broken-promises.html >>>>
From that article:
"Monk would write to Prime Minister John Key urging the Government to >>>>allow access to the drift.
"It's just bloody frustrating. Have we had any more explosions in the >>>>last six years? Have we had any more gas problems? The answer is no. >>>>Yet they still won't do the job," he said.
"We're not asking them to go and get the men out, we're asking them to >>>>retrieve the drift. It'll give accountability and justice, which is >>>>what the families want."
Key said he had not seen any evidence suggesting the mine was safe to >>>>re-enter.
"I haven't seen any evidence to support that.
"Historically the view has been from our officials and our experts
that it's too dangerous, and I haven't seen anything that would
counter that view," he said. "
___
Those are weasel words from our prime minister - he carefully avoids >>>>saying whether theere is any advice, and if there is not he should get >>>>some!
John Key made a promise - the issue now is how often he can break >>>>promises and get away with it
I have looked for any information about how safe the mine is but there is >>>nothing specific that I have found, one of your links is about 3 unnamed >>>experts; it would be useful to have names so we can judge the authenticity of
their opinions.
The folks who want their loved ones returned and buried would surely not want
anybody else to die. There is no logic in suggesting the decision is >>>financial.
The actual cost is close to trivial; a few million dollars at most. No, I >>>think
we need more evidence before we commit the safety of others to this.
Tony
But in the meantime you do not see why they are objecting to money
being spent on a permanat sealing of the mine . . .
John Key promised, and is now being seen as breaking that promise - he >>should be putting his actions where his mouth was, and at least
getting truly independent advise on whether at least part of the mine
can now be re-entered to see if any bodies can be recovered. The
families are not asking for anyone to be put in danger of death - that >>appears to be your addition to the debate; it has not been suggested
by anyone else, but appears to be an attempt on your part at
attributing a distorted claim to the families to try and distract from
the lack of proper action in accordance with the promise made by the
PM 6 years ago. Your spin would make Farrar proud . . .
Do you have any more lies for us? Or are you happy that more men die?
Tony
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 16:04:19 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netNo you read http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:What report is that, Tony? All John Key said was that he had not seen
On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 22:25:16 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netThe promise was to do whatever is possible. In the last two weeks the only >>report is that it is still dangerous.
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
FIrst the Promise >>>>>http://www.newshub.co.nz/tvshows/campbelllive/pike-river-mine-families-feeling-abandoned-by-prime-minster-2012101515Nobody feels for the families more than I do.
and the position back in >>>>>2012:http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/7929647/Pike-entry-possible-experts
Now there are plans to seal the mine.
and John Campbell after another 4 years:
https://youtu.be/W5wbwWkIfKM
Another article >>>>>http://thejackalman.blogspot.co.nz/2012/01/pike-river-broken-promises.html >>>>>
From that article:
"Monk would write to Prime Minister John Key urging the Government to >>>>>allow access to the drift.
"It's just bloody frustrating. Have we had any more explosions in the >>>>>last six years? Have we had any more gas problems? The answer is no. >>>>>Yet they still won't do the job," he said.
"We're not asking them to go and get the men out, we're asking them to >>>>>retrieve the drift. It'll give accountability and justice, which is >>>>>what the families want."
Key said he had not seen any evidence suggesting the mine was safe to >>>>>re-enter.
"I haven't seen any evidence to support that.
"Historically the view has been from our officials and our experts >>>>>that it's too dangerous, and I haven't seen anything that would >>>>>counter that view," he said. "
___
Those are weasel words from our prime minister - he carefully avoids >>>>>saying whether theere is any advice, and if there is not he should get >>>>>some!
John Key made a promise - the issue now is how often he can break >>>>>promises and get away with it
I have looked for any information about how safe the mine is but there is >>>>nothing specific that I have found, one of your links is about 3 unnamed >>>>experts; it would be useful to have names so we can judge the authenticity >>>>of
their opinions.
The folks who want their loved ones returned and buried would surely not >>>>want
anybody else to die. There is no logic in suggesting the decision is >>>>financial.
The actual cost is close to trivial; a few million dollars at most. No, I >>>>think
we need more evidence before we commit the safety of others to this. >>>>Tony
But in the meantime you do not see why they are objecting to money
being spent on a permanat sealing of the mine . . .
John Key promised, and is now being seen as breaking that promise - he >>>should be putting his actions where his mouth was, and at least
getting truly independent advise on whether at least part of the mine
can now be re-entered to see if any bodies can be recovered. The
families are not asking for anyone to be put in danger of death - that >>>appears to be your addition to the debate; it has not been suggested
by anyone else, but appears to be an attempt on your part at
attributing a distorted claim to the families to try and distract from >>>the lack of proper action in accordance with the promise made by the
PM 6 years ago. Your spin would make Farrar proud . . .
any recent reports, but historically the reports indicated it was
dangerous to enter.
Read:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378
Do you have any more lies for us? Or are you happy that more men die?
Tony
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 11:16:30 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sunday, 13 November 2016 23:07:44 UTC+13, Pooh wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 00:22:55 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sunday, 13 November 2016 08:30:44 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
FIrst the Promise
http://www.newshub.co.nz/tvshows/campbelllive/pike-river-mine- families-feeling-abandoned-by-prime-minster-2012101515
and the position back in
2012:http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/7929647/Pike-entry- possible-experts
Now there are plans to seal the mine.
and John Campbell after another 4 years:
https://youtu.be/W5wbwWkIfKM
Another article
http://thejackalman.blogspot.co.nz/2012/01/pike-river-broken- promises.html
From that article:
"Monk would write to Prime Minister John Key urging the Government
to allow access to the drift.
"It's just bloody frustrating. Have we had any more explosions in
the last six years? Have we had any more gas problems? The answer
is no.
Yet they still won't do the job," he said.
"We're not asking them to go and get the men out, we're asking them
to retrieve the drift. It'll give accountability and justice, which
is what the families want."
Key said he had not seen any evidence suggesting the mine was safe
to re-enter.
"I haven't seen any evidence to support that.
"Historically the view has been from our officials and our experts
that it's too dangerous, and I haven't seen anything that would
counter that view," he said. "
___
Those are weasel words from our prime minister - he carefully
avoids saying whether theere is any advice, and if there is not he
should get some!
John Key made a promise - the issue now is how often he can break
promises and get away with it
Key will do whatever his experts tell him. Not what you or a family
member wants.
From his statements it appears that Key has not even asked for any
advice from experts.
There is no evidence that any advice has been asked for - they just wantWhat experts!
- He is standing by and watching whilethe Company plans
on sealing the mine permanently. Do you think he has even asked for
any experts to give an opinion?
Yes I do. As would any sane person.
to close it up - permanently.
He doesn;t know that - as he says he has not seen any advice.
If Angry Andy was in charge he'd be the same. And you'd be silent.If a prime minister cannot be held to his promise then its time for
Because you are a fucking little shit stain attempting to make
political capital out of a tragedy.
His promise was they would do they best they could to get them out.
Key's a politician. Why wouldn't he get them out - it would be a PR >>goldmine. But he can't because it is too risky.
You don't risk people's lives to retrieve bodies. End of story.
Nobody is asking for that.
So you don't care about the fdamilies feelings either . . . - or about
Unless you a re a filthy little propagandist looking for political
capital out of tragedy that is.
a politician weaseling his way to avoid a promise by not even asking for advice before seeing the mine permanently sealed..
And of course you avoid replying to that - I am surprised you did not doanother prime minister. This is not about the opposition - and your
statement is just a pathetic attempt to claim - without any evidence -
that Key is only doing what others would do. Your sleazy and
irrelevant accusations ignore that it is the promise that John Key
made that is being measured - no-one forced him to make such a
promise, but he did, and should now live up to it.
the usual right-spin and delete it from teh post - perhaps there is some little hope for you yet .
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:53:53 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:Key is carefully avoiding reading any new advice - read: >http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen no advice. >>>
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support the view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said.
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:19:11 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:53:53 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:Key is carefully avoiding reading any new advice - read:
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen no advice. >>>>
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support the view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said.
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378
Its time the families hardened up an moved on.
On Monday, 14 November 2016 12:19:11 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:further lives by allowing entry when it is not safe to do so."
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 13:27:06 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Monday, 14 November 2016 09:53:56 UTC+13, george wrote:Read:
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen no advice.
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support the view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said.
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
Pretty much any time he posts it contains a lie.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378
"The expert advice remains that the mine is unsafe to enter and we cannot risk
Which blows you continued lies out of the water.
Again.
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 16:05:49 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>advice.
wrote:
On Monday, 14 November 2016 12:19:11 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 13:27:06 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Monday, 14 November 2016 09:53:56 UTC+13, george wrote:
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen no
view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support the
risk further lives by allowing entry when it is not safe to do so."Read:
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said.
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
Pretty much any time he posts it contains a lie.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378
"The expert advice remains that the mine is unsafe to enter and we cannot
Which blows you continued lies out of the water.
Again.
Labour leader Andrew Little said independent, objective advice from
mines experts had shown the drift near the entrance of the mine was
safe to re-enter.
"If the advice that they now seem to be receiving is accurate ... then
what possible impediment is there to go and check that out. Why
wouldn't you give it a go?"
Listen to the video at that link as well.
And of course remember that John Key said that he had not seen any
recent reports - or similar weasel words . . .
With the recent earthquakes it will of course be appropriate to seek
further advice about entering the mine . . .
On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 08:13:28 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:advice.
On 11/14/2016 9:49 PM, Liberty wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:19:11 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:53:53 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote: >>>
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen no
view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support the
There are a number of coal workings in the South Island that were sealedKey is carefully avoiding reading any new advice - read:
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said.
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378
Its time the families hardened up an moved on.
up after fatal accidents.
Should we reopen them?
Nobody is asking for that - as far as I am aware John Key did not make promises he has not kept in relation to those mine disasters. People
are asking that war dead from Malaysia be repatriated back to New
Zealand - did that happen? - but of course that is not really relevant
to the Pike River situation either. Nive try at a distraction, george.
I do think it would be sensible to get another report about the drift
area of Pike River Mine following the recent earthquakes before anyone
does enter though - when the situation changes, conclusions may need
to change . .
On 11/14/2016 9:49 PM, Liberty wrote:that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:19:11 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:53:53 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen no advice.
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support the view
There are a number of coal workings in the South Island that were sealedKey is carefully avoiding reading any new advice - read:
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said.
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378
Its time the families hardened up an moved on.
up after fatal accidents.
Should we reopen them?
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 09:28:32 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:advice.
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 16:05:49 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, 14 November 2016 12:19:11 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 13:27:06 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Monday, 14 November 2016 09:53:56 UTC+13, george wrote:
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen no
the view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support
risk further lives by allowing entry when it is not safe to do so."Read:
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said.
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
Pretty much any time he posts it contains a lie.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378
"The expert advice remains that the mine is unsafe to enter and we cannot
mine and you have been asked many times to cite this advice but cannot. So stopWhich blows you continued lies out of the water.
Again.
Labour leader Andrew Little said independent, objective advice from
mines experts had shown the drift near the entrance of the mine was
safe to re-enter.
"If the advice that they now seem to be receiving is accurate ... then
what possible impediment is there to go and check that out. Why
wouldn't you give it a go?"
Listen to the video at that link as well.
And of course remember that John Key said that he had not seen any
recent reports - or similar weasel words . . .
With the recent earthquakes it will of course be appropriate to seek further advice about entering the mine . . .
Once again you repeat this third party advice that it is safe to re-enter the
I bet nobody will reveal this advice because it will say that the only placein the mine that is safe to enter is the drift from where the two survivors barely made it out. The rest of the miners were far deeper into the mine at the
So let's have this mysterious report that indicates the mine can bere-entered.
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:33:09 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 11:16:30 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>"It appears ..."; and, elsewhere, "apparently" used often. Weasel words
wrote:
On Sunday, 13 November 2016 23:07:44 UTC+13, Pooh wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 00:22:55 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sunday, 13 November 2016 08:30:44 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
FIrst the Promise
http://www.newshub.co.nz/tvshows/campbelllive/pike-river-mine- >families-feeling-abandoned-by-prime-minster-2012101515
and the position back in
2012:http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/7929647/Pike-entry- >possible-experts
Now there are plans to seal the mine.
and John Campbell after another 4 years:
https://youtu.be/W5wbwWkIfKM
Another article
http://thejackalman.blogspot.co.nz/2012/01/pike-river-broken- >promises.html
From that article:
"Monk would write to Prime Minister John Key urging the Government
to allow access to the drift.
"It's just bloody frustrating. Have we had any more explosions in
the last six years? Have we had any more gas problems? The answer
is no.
Yet they still won't do the job," he said.
"We're not asking them to go and get the men out, we're asking them >>>> >> to retrieve the drift. It'll give accountability and justice, which >>>> >> is what the families want."
Key said he had not seen any evidence suggesting the mine was safe
to re-enter.
"I haven't seen any evidence to support that.
"Historically the view has been from our officials and our experts
that it's too dangerous, and I haven't seen anything that would
counter that view," he said. "
___
Those are weasel words from our prime minister - he carefully
avoids saying whether theere is any advice, and if there is not he
should get some!
John Key made a promise - the issue now is how often he can break
promises and get away with it
Key will do whatever his experts tell him. Not what you or a family
member wants.
From his statements it appears that Key has not even asked for any
advice from experts.
that even Wikipedia won't accept!
Anyway, if Mr Key is to be required to reveal the expert source of his >belief, then so is Bernie Monk. With the facts then available on both
sides of the argument, we'll have no need for "it appears" or
"apparently".
Offering a premise that includes a claim that the conclusion is true is a >logical fallacy known as begging the question. It's a manoeuvre at whichThere is no evidence that any advice has been asked for - they just wantWhat experts!
- He is standing by and watching whilethe Company plans
on sealing the mine permanently. Do you think he has even asked for
any experts to give an opinion?
Yes I do. As would any sane person.
to close it up - permanently.
He doesn;t know that - as he says he has not seen any advice.
If Angry Andy was in charge he'd be the same. And you'd be silent.If a prime minister cannot be held to his promise then its time for
Because you are a fucking little shit stain attempting to make
political capital out of a tragedy.
His promise was they would do they best they could to get them out.
Key's a politician. Why wouldn't he get them out - it would be a PR >>>goldmine. But he can't because it is too risky.
You don't risk people's lives to retrieve bodies. End of story.
Nobody is asking for that.
So you don't care about the fdamilies feelings either . . . - or about
Unless you a re a filthy little propagandist looking for political >>>capital out of tragedy that is.
a politician weaseling his way to avoid a promise by not even asking for
advice before seeing the mine permanently sealed..
you are well-practiced, I have to say. But why you should think the rest
of us are dumb enough to be taken in by it is the real mystery.
And of course you avoid replying to that - I am surprised you did not doanother prime minister. This is not about the opposition - and your
statement is just a pathetic attempt to claim - without any evidence - >>>> that Key is only doing what others would do. Your sleazy and
irrelevant accusations ignore that it is the promise that John Key
made that is being measured - no-one forced him to make such a
promise, but he did, and should now live up to it.
the usual right-spin and delete it from teh post - perhaps there is some
little hope for you yet .
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 09:53:47 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:John Key? You are retarded.
On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 08:13:28 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 11/14/2016 9:49 PM, Liberty wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:19:11 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>There are a number of coal workings in the South Island that were sealed >>> up after fatal accidents.
wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:53:53 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote: >>>>>Its time the families hardened up an moved on.
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:Key is carefully avoiding reading any new advice - read:
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen no advice.
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support the view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said.
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378 >>>>
Should we reopen them?
Nobody is asking for that - as far as I am aware John Key did not make
promises he has not kept in relation to those mine disasters. People
So you think those others can be left closed and Pike River opened because of
retarded.are asking that war dead from Malaysia be repatriated back to New
Zealand - did that happen? - but of course that is not really relevant
to the Pike River situation either. Nive try at a distraction, george.
You bring up Malaysia and then criticise george for distraction? You are
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 13:03:29 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>advice.
wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 09:28:32 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 16:05:49 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Monday, 14 November 2016 12:19:11 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 13:27:06 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >> >> wrote:
On Monday, 14 November 2016 09:53:56 UTC+13, george wrote:
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen no
the view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support
risk further lives by allowing entry when it is not safe to do so.""The expert advice remains that the mine is unsafe to enter and we cannotRead:
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said.
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
Pretty much any time he posts it contains a lie.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378 >> >
the mine and you have been asked many times to cite this advice but cannot. So stop repeating it if you can't cite the advice.
Which blows you continued lies out of the water.
Again.
Labour leader Andrew Little said independent, objective advice from
mines experts had shown the drift near the entrance of the mine was
safe to re-enter.
"If the advice that they now seem to be receiving is accurate ... then
what possible impediment is there to go and check that out. Why
wouldn't you give it a go?"
Listen to the video at that link as well.
And of course remember that John Key said that he had not seen any
recent reports - or similar weasel words . . .
With the recent earthquakes it will of course be appropriate to seek
further advice about entering the mine . . .
Once again you repeat this third party advice that it is safe to re-enter
in the mine that is safe to enter is the drift from where the two survivors barely made it out. The rest of the miners were far deeper into the mine at theI bet nobody will reveal this advice because it will say that the only place
re-entered.So let's have this mysterious report that indicates the mine can be
We have not seen any advice that the whole mine is unsafge to enter,
and your statement above indicates that you believe the drift is safe
to enter - which is all anyone has claimed.
I am glad that you agree
with the miners that they should explore the drift part of the mine. I
do think that now we have had a whole lot of earthquakes, there whould
now be a wait before anything is done and fresh advice received.
Do you agree?
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 10:03:30 UTC+13, JohnO wrote:advice.
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 09:28:32 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 16:05:49 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Monday, 14 November 2016 12:19:11 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 13:27:06 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >> > >> wrote:
On Monday, 14 November 2016 09:53:56 UTC+13, george wrote:
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen no
risk further lives by allowing entry when it is not safe to do so.""The expert advice remains that the mine is unsafe to enter and we cannotRead:
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support the view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said.
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
Pretty much any time he posts it contains a lie.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378 >> > >
in the mine that is safe to enter is the drift from where the two survivors barely made it out. The rest of the miners were far deeper into the mine at the
Which blows you continued lies out of the water.
Again.
Labour leader Andrew Little said independent, objective advice from
mines experts had shown the drift near the entrance of the mine was
safe to re-enter.
"If the advice that they now seem to be receiving is accurate ... then
what possible impediment is there to go and check that out. Why
wouldn't you give it a go?"
Listen to the video at that link as well.
And of course remember that John Key said that he had not seen any
recent reports - or similar weasel words . . .
With the recent earthquakes it will of course be appropriate to seek
further advice about entering the mine . . .
Once again you repeat this third party advice that it is safe to re-enter the mine and you have been asked many times to cite this advice but cannot. So stop repeating it if you can't cite the advice.
I bet nobody will reveal this advice because it will say that the only place
instead of using them for politicking.
So let's have this mysterious report that indicates the mine can be re-entered.
According to Angry little Andy, the mystery report says the drift is safe to enter. The bodies are not there - some may be the other side of a large rockfall and many of them are likely to be miles further up in the operating areas of the mine.
So all this talk of the drift being safe to enter, even if true, is rather irrelevant. Robots were sent 1.5km up the drift between the first and second explosions and no bodies were seen.
There is nothing to gain from risking further lives by entering the mine.
So Dickbot, as I said, shut the fuck up and let the poor buggers rest in peace
On 11/15/2016 10:05 AM, JohnO wrote:It is as relevant as JohnO asking whether other South Island mines
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 09:53:47 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:i
On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 08:13:28 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 11/14/2016 9:49 PM, Liberty wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:19:11 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>> wrote:There are a number of coal workings in the South Island that were sealed >>>> up after fatal accidents.
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:53:53 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote: >>>>>>Its time the families hardened up an moved on.
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:Key is carefully avoiding reading any new advice - read:
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen no advice.
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support the view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said.
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378 >>>>>
Should we reopen them?
Nobody is asking for that - as far as I am aware John Key did not make
promises he has not kept in relation to those mine disasters. People
So you think those others can be left closed and Pike River opened because of John Key? You are retarded.
are asking that war dead from Malaysia be repatriated back to New
Zealand - did that happen? - but of course that is not really relevant
to the Pike River situation either. Nive try at a distraction, george.
You bring up Malaysia and then criticise george for distraction? You are retarded.
If I could be bothered I'd ask the village idiot as to how he equates
The servicemen lying in Malayan cemeteries with miners bodies in a
wrecked coal mine....
Seal it up
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 09:28:32 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 16:05:49 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Monday, 14 November 2016 12:19:11 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 13:27:06 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Monday, 14 November 2016 09:53:56 UTC+13, george wrote:
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen no advice.
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support the
repeating it if you can't cite the advice.Read:
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said.
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
Pretty much any time he posts it contains a lie.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378
"The expert advice remains that the mine is unsafe to enter and we cannot risk further lives by allowing entry when it is not safe to do so."
Which blows you continued lies out of the water.
Again.
Labour leader Andrew Little said independent, objective advice from
mines experts had shown the drift near the entrance of the mine was
safe to re-enter.
"If the advice that they now seem to be receiving is accurate ... then
what possible impediment is there to go and check that out. Why
wouldn't you give it a go?"
Listen to the video at that link as well.
And of course remember that John Key said that he had not seen any
recent reports - or similar weasel words . . .
With the recent earthquakes it will of course be appropriate to seek
further advice about entering the mine . . .
Once again you repeat this third party advice that it is safe to re-enter the mine and you have been asked many times to cite this advice but cannot. So stop
I bet nobody will reveal this advice because it will say that the only place in the mine that is safe to enter is the drift from where the two survivors barely made it out. The rest of the miners were far deeper into the mine at thetime of the
So let's have this mysterious report that indicates the mine can be re-entered.
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 09:53:47 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:Who is asking for other mines to be reopened?
On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 08:13:28 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 11/14/2016 9:49 PM, Liberty wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:19:11 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>There are a number of coal workings in the South Island that were sealed
wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:53:53 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote: >> >>>Its time the families hardened up an moved on.
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:Key is carefully avoiding reading any new advice - read:
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen no advice.
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support the view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said.
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378 >> >>
up after fatal accidents.
Should we reopen them?
Nobody is asking for that - as far as I am aware John Key did not make
promises he has not kept in relation to those mine disasters. People
So you think those others can be left closed and Pike River opened because of John Key? You are retarded.
It is an analagous example - intended to show you the lack of logic ofare asking that war dead from Malaysia be repatriated back to New
Zealand - did that happen? - but of course that is not really relevant
to the Pike River situation either. Nive try at a distraction, george.
You bring up Malaysia and then criticise george for distraction? You are retarded.
I do think it would be sensible to get another report about the drift
area of Pike River Mine following the recent earthquakes before anyone
does enter though - when the situation changes, conclusions may need
to change . .
The drift is the easy part. The bodies are in far more dangerous areas than the drift you nincompoop.
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 13:19:06 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>no advice.
wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 10:03:30 UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 09:28:32 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 16:05:49 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Monday, 14 November 2016 12:19:11 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 13:27:06 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >> > >> wrote:
On Monday, 14 November 2016 09:53:56 UTC+13, george wrote:
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen
the view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support
cannot risk further lives by allowing entry when it is not safe to do so."Read:
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said.
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
Pretty much any time he posts it contains a lie.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378
"The expert advice remains that the mine is unsafe to enter and we
the mine and you have been asked many times to cite this advice but cannot. So stop repeating it if you can't cite the advice.
Which blows you continued lies out of the water.
Again.
Labour leader Andrew Little said independent, objective advice from
mines experts had shown the drift near the entrance of the mine was
safe to re-enter.
"If the advice that they now seem to be receiving is accurate ... then >> > what possible impediment is there to go and check that out. Why
wouldn't you give it a go?"
Listen to the video at that link as well.
And of course remember that John Key said that he had not seen any
recent reports - or similar weasel words . . .
With the recent earthquakes it will of course be appropriate to seek
further advice about entering the mine . . .
Once again you repeat this third party advice that it is safe to re-enter
place in the mine that is safe to enter is the drift from where the two survivors barely made it out. The rest of the miners were far deeper into the mine at the time of the
I bet nobody will reveal this advice because it will say that the only
re-entered.
So let's have this mysterious report that indicates the mine can be
enter. The bodies are not there - some may be the other side of a large rockfall and many of them are likely to be miles further up in the operating areas of the mine.According to Angry little Andy, the mystery report says the drift is safe to
irrelevant. Robots were sent 1.5km up the drift between the first and second explosions and no bodies were seen.So all this talk of the drift being safe to enter, even if true, is rather
peace instead of using them for politicking.There is nothing to gain from risking further lives by entering the mine.
So Dickbot, as I said, shut the fuck up and let the poor buggers rest in
The families are not dead!
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 13:05:34 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>advice.
wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 09:53:47 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 08:13:28 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 11/14/2016 9:49 PM, Liberty wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:19:11 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:53:53 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote: >> >>>
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen no
view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support the
of John Key? You are retarded.There are a number of coal workings in the South Island that were sealed >> >up after fatal accidents.Its time the families hardened up an moved on.Key is carefully avoiding reading any new advice - read:
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said.
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378 >> >>
Should we reopen them?
Nobody is asking for that - as far as I am aware John Key did not make
promises he has not kept in relation to those mine disasters. People
So you think those others can be left closed and Pike River opened because
Who is asking for other mines to be reopened?retarded.
are asking that war dead from Malaysia be repatriated back to New
Zealand - did that happen? - but of course that is not really relevant
to the Pike River situation either. Nive try at a distraction, george.
You bring up Malaysia and then criticise george for distraction? You are
It is an analagous example - intended to show you the lack of logic ofthe drift you nincompoop.
your questions as to whether other coal workings in the South Isalnd
should be reopened.
I do think it would be sensible to get another report about the drift
area of Pike River Mine following the recent earthquakes before anyone
does enter though - when the situation changes, conclusions may need
to change . .
The drift is the easy part. The bodies are in far more dangerous areas than
The families are only asking that the drift beexplored again -
apparently it was not fully explored. If that is easy why was it not
done?
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 13:05:34 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>advice.
wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 09:53:47 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 08:13:28 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 11/14/2016 9:49 PM, Liberty wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:19:11 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:53:53 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote: >> >>>
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen no
view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support the
of John Key? You are retarded.There are a number of coal workings in the South Island that were sealed >> >up after fatal accidents.Its time the families hardened up an moved on.Key is carefully avoiding reading any new advice - read:
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said.
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378 >> >>
Should we reopen them?
Nobody is asking for that - as far as I am aware John Key did not make
promises he has not kept in relation to those mine disasters. People
So you think those others can be left closed and Pike River opened because
Who is asking for other mines to be reopened?
retarded.are asking that war dead from Malaysia be repatriated back to New
Zealand - did that happen? - but of course that is not really relevant
to the Pike River situation either. Nive try at a distraction, george.
You bring up Malaysia and then criticise george for distraction? You are
It is an analagous example - intended to show you the lack of logic of
your questions as to whether other coal workings in the South Isalndthe drift you nincompoop.
should be reopened.
I do think it would be sensible to get another report about the drift
area of Pike River Mine following the recent earthquakes before anyone
does enter though - when the situation changes, conclusions may need
to change . .
The drift is the easy part. The bodies are in far more dangerous areas than
The families are only asking that the drift beexplored again -
apparently it was not fully explored. If that is easy why was it not
done?
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 13:19:06 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>Quite right......But your brain is!
wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 10:03:30 UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 09:28:32 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 16:05:49 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Monday, 14 November 2016 12:19:11 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 13:27:06 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>> > >> wrote:"The expert advice remains that the mine is unsafe to enter and we
On Monday, 14 November 2016 09:53:56 UTC+13, george wrote:Read:
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen >>> > >> >> >no advice.
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support >>> > >> >> >the view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said.
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
Pretty much any time he posts it contains a lie.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378 >>> > >
cannot risk further lives by allowing entry when it is not safe to do so."
Which blows you continued lies out of the water.
Again.
Labour leader Andrew Little said independent, objective advice from
mines experts had shown the drift near the entrance of the mine was
safe to re-enter.
"If the advice that they now seem to be receiving is accurate ... then >>> > what possible impediment is there to go and check that out. Why
wouldn't you give it a go?"
Listen to the video at that link as well.
And of course remember that John Key said that he had not seen any
recent reports - or similar weasel words . . .
With the recent earthquakes it will of course be appropriate to seek
further advice about entering the mine . . .
Once again you repeat this third party advice that it is safe to re-enter >>>the mine and you have been asked many times to cite this advice but cannot. So
stop repeating it if you can't cite the advice.
I bet nobody will reveal this advice because it will say that the only >>>place in the mine that is safe to enter is the drift from where the two >>>survivors barely made it out. The rest of the miners were far deeper into the
mine at the time of the explosions.
So let's have this mysterious report that indicates the mine can be >>>re-entered.
According to Angry little Andy, the mystery report says the drift is safe to >>enter. The bodies are not there - some may be the other side of a large >>rockfall and many of them are likely to be miles further up in the operating >>areas of the mine.
So all this talk of the drift being safe to enter, even if true, is rather >>irrelevant. Robots were sent 1.5km up the drift between the first and second >>explosions and no bodies were seen.
There is nothing to gain from risking further lives by entering the mine.
So Dickbot, as I said, shut the fuck up and let the poor buggers rest in >>peace instead of using them for politicking.
The families are not dead!
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 16:05:49 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>This is by far and away some of the most disgraceful posting I have ever seen on Usenet, and all of it is by you. You have been given a link (twice) to expert opinion that the mine is unsafe, you have failed to provide links to any expert opinion to the contrary and you continue to gratuitously use the misery of the families for political gain. It is even worse than your accusation that a minister of the crown condoned a homicide with absolutely no evidential support.
wrote:
On Monday, 14 November 2016 12:19:11 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 13:27:06 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Monday, 14 November 2016 09:53:56 UTC+13, george wrote:Read:
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen no
advice.
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support the >>> >> >view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said.
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
Pretty much any time he posts it contains a lie.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378
"The expert advice remains that the mine is unsafe to enter and we cannot >>risk further lives by allowing entry when it is not safe to do so."
Which blows you continued lies out of the water.
Again.
Labour leader Andrew Little said independent, objective advice from
mines experts had shown the drift near the entrance of the mine was
safe to re-enter.
"If the advice that they now seem to be receiving is accurate ... then
what possible impediment is there to go and check that out. Why
wouldn't you give it a go?"
Listen to the video at that link as well.
And of course remember that John Key said that he had not seen any
recent reports - or similar weasel words . . .
With the recent earthquakes it will of course be appropriate to seek
further advice about entering the mine . . .
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 16:05:49 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>wrote:This is by far and away some of the most disgraceful posting I have ever seen >on Usenet, and all of it is by you. You have been given a link (twice) to >expert opinion that the mine is unsafe, you have failed to provide links to any
On Monday, 14 November 2016 12:19:11 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 13:27:06 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Monday, 14 November 2016 09:53:56 UTC+13, george wrote:Read:
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen no >>>> >> >advice.
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support the >>>> >> >view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said.
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
Pretty much any time he posts it contains a lie.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378
"The expert advice remains that the mine is unsafe to enter and we cannot >>>risk further lives by allowing entry when it is not safe to do so."
Which blows you continued lies out of the water.
Again.
Labour leader Andrew Little said independent, objective advice from
mines experts had shown the drift near the entrance of the mine was
safe to re-enter.
"If the advice that they now seem to be receiving is accurate ... then
what possible impediment is there to go and check that out. Why
wouldn't you give it a go?"
Listen to the video at that link as well.
And of course remember that John Key said that he had not seen any
recent reports - or similar weasel words . . .
With the recent earthquakes it will of course be appropriate to seek >>further advice about entering the mine . . .
expert opinion to the contrary and you continue to gratuitously use the misery >of the families for political gain. It is even worse than your accusation that >a minister of the crown condoned a homicide with absolutely no evidential >support.
Labour leader Andrew Little said independent, objective advice blah blah blah....
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 08:42:45 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 11/13/2016 5:25 PM, Tony wrote:
Nobody feels for the families more than I do.Why doesn't Rich whip down there and do the big entry thing as he knows
I have looked for any information about how safe the mine is but there is >>> nothing specific that I have found, one of your links is about 3 unnamed >>> experts; it would be useful to have names so we can judge the authenticity of
their opinions.
The folks who want their loved ones returned and buried would surely not want
anybody else to die. There is no logic in suggesting the decision is financial.
The actual cost is close to trivial; a few million dollars at most. No, I think
we need more evidence before we commit the safety of others to this.
Tony
so much about mine safety.
If some-one with a number of years underground says its not safe I'd
rather believe him.
Do you have a cite for any expert opinion being asked for or received?
Even John Key says he has not seen any advice.
They've lost enough men.And no-one wants to lose more - the only people talking of putting
people at risk are those running spin for our lying and uncaring prime minister
Seal it up
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 13:19:06 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>risk further lives by allowing entry when it is not safe to do so."
wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 10:03:30 UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 09:28:32 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 16:05:49 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Monday, 14 November 2016 12:19:11 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 13:27:06 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:"The expert advice remains that the mine is unsafe to enter and we cannot
On Monday, 14 November 2016 09:53:56 UTC+13, george wrote:Read:
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen no advice.
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support the view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said. >>>>>>>>>
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
Pretty much any time he posts it contains a lie.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378 >>>>>
explosions.
Which blows you continued lies out of the water.
Again.
Labour leader Andrew Little said independent, objective advice from
mines experts had shown the drift near the entrance of the mine was
safe to re-enter.
"If the advice that they now seem to be receiving is accurate ... then >>>> what possible impediment is there to go and check that out. Why
wouldn't you give it a go?"
Listen to the video at that link as well.
And of course remember that John Key said that he had not seen any
recent reports - or similar weasel words . . .
With the recent earthquakes it will of course be appropriate to seek
further advice about entering the mine . . .
Once again you repeat this third party advice that it is safe to re-enter the mine and you have been asked many times to cite this advice but cannot. So stop repeating it if you can't cite the advice.
I bet nobody will reveal this advice because it will say that the only place in the mine that is safe to enter is the drift from where the two survivors barely made it out. The rest of the miners were far deeper into the mine at the time of the
enter. The bodies are not there - some may be the other side of a large rockfall and many of them are likely to be miles further up in the operating areas of the mine.
So let's have this mysterious report that indicates the mine can be re-entered.
According to Angry little Andy, the mystery report says the drift is safe to
So all this talk of the drift being safe to enter, even if true, is rather irrelevant. Robots were sent 1.5km up the drift between the first and second explosions and no bodies were seen.
There is nothing to gain from risking further lives by entering the mine.
So Dickbot, as I said, shut the fuck up and let the poor buggers rest in peace instead of using them for politicking.
The families are not dead!
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 13:03:29 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>in the mine that is safe to enter is the drift from where the two survivors barely made it out. The rest of the miners were far deeper into the mine at the
wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 09:28:32 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 16:05:49 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Monday, 14 November 2016 12:19:11 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 13:27:06 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote:"The expert advice remains that the mine is unsafe to enter and we cannot risk further lives by allowing entry when it is not safe to do so."
On Monday, 14 November 2016 09:53:56 UTC+13, george wrote:Read:
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen no advice.
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support the view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said.
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
Pretty much any time he posts it contains a lie.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378 >>>>
Which blows you continued lies out of the water.
Again.
Labour leader Andrew Little said independent, objective advice from
mines experts had shown the drift near the entrance of the mine was
safe to re-enter.
"If the advice that they now seem to be receiving is accurate ... then
what possible impediment is there to go and check that out. Why
wouldn't you give it a go?"
Listen to the video at that link as well.
And of course remember that John Key said that he had not seen any
recent reports - or similar weasel words . . .
With the recent earthquakes it will of course be appropriate to seek
further advice about entering the mine . . .
Once again you repeat this third party advice that it is safe to re-enter the mine and you have been asked many times to cite this advice but cannot. So stop repeating it if you can't cite the advice.
I bet nobody will reveal this advice because it will say that the only place
So let's have this mysterious report that indicates the mine can be re-entered.
We have not seen any advice that the whole mine is unsafge to enter,
and your statement above indicates that you believe the drift is safe
to enter - which is all anyone has claimed. I am glad that you agree
with the miners that they should explore the drift part of the mine. I
do think that now we have had a whole lot of earthquakes, there whould
now be a wait before anything is done and fresh advice received.
Do you agree?
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 12:49:46 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>think
wrote:
On Monday, 14 November 2016 09:35:48 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 08:42:45 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 11/13/2016 5:25 PM, Tony wrote:
Nobody feels for the families more than I do.
I have looked for any information about how safe the mine is but there is >>>>> nothing specific that I have found, one of your links is about 3 unnamed >>>>> experts; it would be useful to have names so we can judge the authenticity of
their opinions.
The folks who want their loved ones returned and buried would surely not want
anybody else to die. There is no logic in suggesting the decision is financial.
The actual cost is close to trivial; a few million dollars at most. No, I
we need more evidence before we commit the safety of others to this. >>>>> TonyWhy doesn't Rich whip down there and do the big entry thing as he knows >>>> so much about mine safety.
If some-one with a number of years underground says its not safe I'd
rather believe him.
Do you have a cite for any expert opinion being asked for or received?
Even John Key says he has not seen any advice.
They've lost enough men.And no-one wants to lose more - the only people talking of putting
people at risk are those running spin for our lying and uncaring prime
minister
Seal it up
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen no advice. >>
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support the view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said.
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
That is Key saying he had seen no advice - he is referring to historic
advice from a few years ago . . .
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 00:13:36 +1300, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 08:30:53 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>
FIrst the Promise
http://www.newshub.co.nz/tvshows/campbelllive/pike-river-mine-families-feeling-abandoned-by-prime-minster-2012101515
and the position back in
2012:http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/7929647/Pike-entry-possible-experts
Now there are plans to seal the mine.
and John Campbell after another 4 years:
https://youtu.be/W5wbwWkIfKM
Another article
http://thejackalman.blogspot.co.nz/2012/01/pike-river-broken-promises.html >>>
From that article:
"Monk would write to Prime Minister John Key urging the Government to
allow access to the drift.
"It's just bloody frustrating. Have we had any more explosions in the
last six years? Have we had any more gas problems? The answer is no.
Yet they still won't do the job," he said.
"We're not asking them to go and get the men out, we're asking them to
retrieve the drift. It'll give accountability and justice, which is
what the families want."
Key said he had not seen any evidence suggesting the mine was safe to
re-enter.
"I haven't seen any evidence to support that.
"Historically the view has been from our officials and our experts
that it's too dangerous, and I haven't seen anything that would
counter that view," he said. "
___
Those are weasel words from our prime minister - he carefully avoids
saying whether theere is any advice, and if there is not he should get
some!
John Key made a promise - the issue now is how often he can break
promises and get away with it
"John Key made a promise"
So what
I agree - most people now know that a John Key promise is not worth
its weight in toilet paper.
Only a complete Fuckwit would expect Key to send a team of men two km underground To collect a bit of ash. If they did find a bit of ash. What are >> the families going to do with it.Who has suggested 2km? Apparently there is a certain distance which
experts believed in 2012 could be searched; but advice should be
sought now instead of just sealing the mne permanently.
Stick it into the ground again. All a bit pointless.
Then again. They may find the gaz detectors still taped up. And a few fag ends laying around.
Better to seal up and move on.
Yes there ae some dipsticks who just want to cover things up - can't
stand the truth, and don't care about the feelings of the families. I
am not surprised that you join John Key in utter contempt of promises
made and the feelings of the families.
On Monday, 14 November 2016 09:35:48 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:of
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 08:42:45 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 11/13/2016 5:25 PM, Tony wrote:
Nobody feels for the families more than I do.
I have looked for any information about how safe the mine is but there is >>>> nothing specific that I have found, one of your links is about 3 unnamed >>>> experts; it would be useful to have names so we can judge the authenticity
that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.their opinions.Why doesn't Rich whip down there and do the big entry thing as he knows
The folks who want their loved ones returned and buried would surely not want
anybody else to die. There is no logic in suggesting the decision is financial.
The actual cost is close to trivial; a few million dollars at most. No, I think
we need more evidence before we commit the safety of others to this.
Tony
so much about mine safety.
If some-one with a number of years underground says its not safe I'd
rather believe him.
Do you have a cite for any expert opinion being asked for or received?
Even John Key says he has not seen any advice.
They've lost enough men.And no-one wants to lose more - the only people talking of putting
people at risk are those running spin for our lying and uncaring prime
minister
Seal it up
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen no advice.
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support the view
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said.
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 16:05:49 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Monday, 14 November 2016 12:19:11 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 13:27:06 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Monday, 14 November 2016 09:53:56 UTC+13, george wrote:Read:
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen no advice.
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support the view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said.
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
Pretty much any time he posts it contains a lie.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378
"The expert advice remains that the mine is unsafe to enter and we cannot risk further lives by allowing entry when it is not safe to do so."
Which blows you continued lies out of the water.
Again.
Labour leader Andrew Little said independent, objective advice from
mines experts had shown the drift near the entrance of the mine was
safe to re-enter.
"If the advice that they now seem to be receiving is accurate ... then
what possible impediment is there to go and check that out. Why
wouldn't you give it a go?"
Listen to the video at that link as well.
And of course remember that John Key said that he had not seen any
recent reports - or similar weasel words . . .
With the recent earthquakes it will of course be appropriate to seek
further advice about entering the mine . . .
On 11/13/2016 5:25 PM, Tony wrote:When it comes to Rich and knowledge I'd bet he could write (that's if
Nobody feels for the families more than I do.Why doesn't Rich whip down there and do the big entry thing as he knows
I have looked for any information about how safe the mine is but there is
nothing specific that I have found, one of your links is about 3 unnamed
experts; it would be useful to have names so we can judge the
authenticity of
their opinions.
The folks who want their loved ones returned and buried would surely
not want
anybody else to die. There is no logic in suggesting the decision is
financial.
The actual cost is close to trivial; a few million dollars at most.
No, I think
we need more evidence before we commit the safety of others to this.
Tony
so much about mine safety.
If some-one with a number of years underground says its not safe I'd
rather believe him.
They've lost enough men.
Seal it up
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:53:53 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:Key is carefully avoiding reading any new advice - read: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen no advice. >>>
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support the view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said.
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 14:45:08 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:the drift you nincompoop.
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 13:05:34 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 09:53:47 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:Who is asking for other mines to be reopened?
On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 08:13:28 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote: >>>>
On 11/14/2016 9:49 PM, Liberty wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:19:11 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:There are a number of coal workings in the South Island that were sealed >>>>> up after fatal accidents.
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:53:53 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote: >>>>>>>Its time the families hardened up an moved on.
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:Key is carefully avoiding reading any new advice - read:
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen no advice.
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support the view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said. >>>>>>>>>
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378 >>>>>>
Should we reopen them?
Nobody is asking for that - as far as I am aware John Key did not make >>>> promises he has not kept in relation to those mine disasters. People
So you think those others can be left closed and Pike River opened because of John Key? You are retarded.
It is an analagous example - intended to show you the lack of logic of
are asking that war dead from Malaysia be repatriated back to New
Zealand - did that happen? - but of course that is not really relevant >>>> to the Pike River situation either. Nive try at a distraction, george.
You bring up Malaysia and then criticise george for distraction? You are retarded.
your questions as to whether other coal workings in the South Isalnd
should be reopened.
I do think it would be sensible to get another report about the drift
area of Pike River Mine following the recent earthquakes before anyone >>>> does enter though - when the situation changes, conclusions may need
to change . .
The drift is the easy part. The bodies are in far more dangerous areas than
bodies were observed.
The families are only asking that the drift beexplored again -
apparently it was not fully explored. If that is easy why was it not
done?
Robots were sent up the drift between the first and second explosions. No
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 21:31:46 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netMy aplogy, I guess that in your mind covering up a homicide and condoning one is a different matter.
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 16:05:49 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>wrote:This is by far and away some of the most disgraceful posting I have ever seen >>on Usenet, and all of it is by you. You have been given a link (twice) to >>expert opinion that the mine is unsafe, you have failed to provide links to >>any
On Monday, 14 November 2016 12:19:11 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 13:27:06 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote:"The expert advice remains that the mine is unsafe to enter and we cannot >>>>risk further lives by allowing entry when it is not safe to do so."
On Monday, 14 November 2016 09:53:56 UTC+13, george wrote:Read:
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen no >>>>> >> >advice.
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support the >>>>> >> >view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said.
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
Pretty much any time he posts it contains a lie.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378 >>>>
Which blows you continued lies out of the water.
Again.
Labour leader Andrew Little said independent, objective advice from
mines experts had shown the drift near the entrance of the mine was
safe to re-enter.
"If the advice that they now seem to be receiving is accurate ... then >>>what possible impediment is there to go and check that out. Why
wouldn't you give it a go?"
Listen to the video at that link as well.
And of course remember that John Key said that he had not seen any
recent reports - or similar weasel words . . .
With the recent earthquakes it will of course be appropriate to seek >>>further advice about entering the mine . . .
expert opinion to the contrary and you continue to gratuitously use the >>misery
of the families for political gain. It is even worse than your accusation >>that
a minister of the crown condoned a homicide with absolutely no evidential >>support.
That is a lie - I have accused nobody of condoning a homicide.
You are a dishonest abusing troll. Goodbye. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/nz.general/VScLfi0Fag8/B5RnL0IP3GAJ
On 15/11/2016 3:11 p.m., JohnO wrote:wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 14:45:08 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 13:05:34 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 09:53:47 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 08:13:28 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote: >>>>
On 11/14/2016 9:49 PM, Liberty wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:19:11 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:53:53 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net>
advice.
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen no
the view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support
sealedThere are a number of coal workings in the South Island that wereKey is carefully avoiding reading any new advice - read:
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said. >>>>>>>>>
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378
Its time the families hardened up an moved on.
because of John Key? You are retarded.up after fatal accidents.
Should we reopen them?
Nobody is asking for that - as far as I am aware John Key did not make >>>> promises he has not kept in relation to those mine disasters. People
So you think those others can be left closed and Pike River opened
retarded.Who is asking for other mines to be reopened?
are asking that war dead from Malaysia be repatriated back to NewYou bring up Malaysia and then criticise george for distraction? You are
Zealand - did that happen? - but of course that is not really relevant >>>> to the Pike River situation either. Nive try at a distraction, george. >>>
than the drift you nincompoop.It is an analagous example - intended to show you the lack of logic of
your questions as to whether other coal workings in the South Isalnd
should be reopened.
I do think it would be sensible to get another report about the drift >>>> area of Pike River Mine following the recent earthquakes before anyone >>>> does enter though - when the situation changes, conclusions may need >>>> to change . .
The drift is the easy part. The bodies are in far more dangerous areas
bodies were observed.
The families are only asking that the drift beexplored again -
apparently it was not fully explored. If that is easy why was it not
done?
Robots were sent up the drift between the first and second explosions. No
Give up JohnO. Trying to feed facts to Rich is much like expecting a one
year old to understand how to use a toilet. In both cases you'll just
finish up with shit all over the place....
Pooh
On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 10:41:41 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:BULLSHIT! Sealing the mine would be a fitting memorial to the miners
On 11/15/2016 10:05 AM, JohnO wrote:It is as relevant as JohnO asking whether other South Island mines
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 09:53:47 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:i
On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 08:13:28 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote: >>>>
On 11/14/2016 9:49 PM, Liberty wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:19:11 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:There are a number of coal workings in the South Island that were sealed >>>>> up after fatal accidents.
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:53:53 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote: >>>>>>>Its time the families hardened up an moved on.
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:Key is carefully avoiding reading any new advice - read:
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen no advice.
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support the view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said. >>>>>>>>>
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378 >>>>>>
Should we reopen them?
Nobody is asking for that - as far as I am aware John Key did not make >>>> promises he has not kept in relation to those mine disasters. People
So you think those others can be left closed and Pike River opened because of John Key? You are retarded.
are asking that war dead from Malaysia be repatriated back to New
Zealand - did that happen? - but of course that is not really relevant >>>> to the Pike River situation either. Nive try at a distraction, george.
You bring up Malaysia and then criticise george for distraction? You are retarded.
If I could be bothered I'd ask the village idiot as to how he equates
The servicemen lying in Malayan cemeteries with miners bodies in a
wrecked coal mine....
should be re-opened. I doubt JohnO accepts that he is the village
idiot - why are you being abusive of other posters?
Seal it up
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 13:03:29 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>in the mine that is safe to enter is the drift from where the two survivors barely made it out. The rest of the miners were far deeper into the mine at the
wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 09:28:32 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 16:05:49 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Monday, 14 November 2016 12:19:11 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 13:27:06 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote:"The expert advice remains that the mine is unsafe to enter and we cannot risk further lives by allowing entry when it is not safe to do so."
On Monday, 14 November 2016 09:53:56 UTC+13, george wrote:Read:
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen no advice.
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support the view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said.
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
Pretty much any time he posts it contains a lie.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378 >>>>
Which blows you continued lies out of the water.
Again.
Labour leader Andrew Little said independent, objective advice from
mines experts had shown the drift near the entrance of the mine was
safe to re-enter.
"If the advice that they now seem to be receiving is accurate ... then
what possible impediment is there to go and check that out. Why
wouldn't you give it a go?"
Listen to the video at that link as well.
And of course remember that John Key said that he had not seen any
recent reports - or similar weasel words . . .
With the recent earthquakes it will of course be appropriate to seek
further advice about entering the mine . . .
Once again you repeat this third party advice that it is safe to re-enter the mine and you have been asked many times to cite this advice but cannot. So stop repeating it if you can't cite the advice.
I bet nobody will reveal this advice because it will say that the only place
So let's have this mysterious report that indicates the mine can be re-entered.
We have not seen any advice that the whole mine is unsafge to enter,
and your statement above indicates that you believe the drift is safe
to enter - which is all anyone has claimed. I am glad that you agree
with the miners that they should explore the drift part of the mine. I
do think that now we have had a whole lot of earthquakes, there whould
now be a wait before anything is done and fresh advice received.
Do you agree?
On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 08:13:28 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 11/14/2016 9:49 PM, Liberty wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:19:11 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>There are a number of coal workings in the South Island that were sealed
wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:53:53 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote: >>>>
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:Key is carefully avoiding reading any new advice - read:
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen no advice.
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support the view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said.
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378
Its time the families hardened up an moved on.
up after fatal accidents.
Should we reopen them?
Nobody is asking for that - as far as I am aware John Key did not make promises he has not kept in relation to those mine disasters. People
are asking that war dead from Malaysia be repatriated back to New
Zealand - did that happen? - but of course that is not really relevant
to the Pike River situation either. Nive try at a distraction, george.
I do think it would be sensible to get another report about the drift
area of Pike River Mine following the recent earthquakes before anyone
does enter though - when the situation changes, conclusions may need
to change . .
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 19:34:37 UTC+13, Pooh wrote:advice.
On 15/11/2016 3:11 p.m., JohnO wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 14:45:08 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 13:05:34 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 09:53:47 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 08:13:28 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote: >> >>>>
On 11/14/2016 9:49 PM, Liberty wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:19:11 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> >> >>>>>> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:53:53 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen no
retarded.Who is asking for other mines to be reopened?There are a number of coal workings in the South Island that were sealedKey is carefully avoiding reading any new advice - read:
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support the view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said.
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378
Its time the families hardened up an moved on.
up after fatal accidents.
Should we reopen them?
Nobody is asking for that - as far as I am aware John Key did not make >> >>>> promises he has not kept in relation to those mine disasters. People
So you think those others can be left closed and Pike River opened because of John Key? You are retarded.
are asking that war dead from Malaysia be repatriated back to NewYou bring up Malaysia and then criticise george for distraction? You are
Zealand - did that happen? - but of course that is not really relevant >> >>>> to the Pike River situation either. Nive try at a distraction, george. >> >>>
the mine or their loved ones that survived them. All he cares about is cheap political point scoring.Give up JohnO. Trying to feed facts to Rich is much like expecting a oneIt is an analagous example - intended to show you the lack of logic of
your questions as to whether other coal workings in the South Isalnd
should be reopened.
I do think it would be sensible to get another report about the drift >> >>>> area of Pike River Mine following the recent earthquakes before anyone >> >>>> does enter though - when the situation changes, conclusions may need
to change . .
The drift is the easy part. The bodies are in far more dangerous areas than the drift you nincompoop.
The families are only asking that the drift beexplored again -
apparently it was not fully explored. If that is easy why was it not
done?
Robots were sent up the drift between the first and second explosions. No bodies were observed.
year old to understand how to use a toilet. In both cases you'll just
finish up with shit all over the place....
Pooh
Yep. It is clear that Dickbot could not give a flying fuck about the bodies in
A bit like his total silence over revelations that fight clubs have occurred at non Serco run prisons in New Zealand.
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 23:12:19 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>advice.
wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 19:34:37 UTC+13, Pooh wrote:
On 15/11/2016 3:11 p.m., JohnO wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 14:45:08 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 13:05:34 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 09:53:47 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 08:13:28 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote: >>>>>>>
On 11/14/2016 9:49 PM, Liberty wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:19:11 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:53:53 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen no
retarded.Who is asking for other mines to be reopened?So you think those others can be left closed and Pike River opened because of John Key? You are retarded.There are a number of coal workings in the South Island that were sealedKey is carefully avoiding reading any new advice - read:
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support the view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said. >>>>>>>>>>>>
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."' >>>>>>>>>>>
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378
Its time the families hardened up an moved on.
up after fatal accidents.
Should we reopen them?
Nobody is asking for that - as far as I am aware John Key did not make >>>>>>> promises he has not kept in relation to those mine disasters. People >>>>>>
are asking that war dead from Malaysia be repatriated back to New >>>>>>> Zealand - did that happen? - but of course that is not really relevant >>>>>>> to the Pike River situation either. Nive try at a distraction, george. >>>>>>You bring up Malaysia and then criticise george for distraction? You are
political point scoring.Give up JohnO. Trying to feed facts to Rich is much like expecting a one >>> year old to understand how to use a toilet. In both cases you'll justIt is an analagous example - intended to show you the lack of logic of >>>>> your questions as to whether other coal workings in the South Isalnd >>>>> should be reopened.
I do think it would be sensible to get another report about the drift >>>>>>> area of Pike River Mine following the recent earthquakes before anyone >>>>>>> does enter though - when the situation changes, conclusions may need >>>>>>> to change . .
The drift is the easy part. The bodies are in far more dangerous areas than the drift you nincompoop.
The families are only asking that the drift beexplored again -
apparently it was not fully explored. If that is easy why was it not >>>>> done?
Robots were sent up the drift between the first and second explosions. No bodies were observed.
finish up with shit all over the place....
Pooh
Yep. It is clear that Dickbot could not give a flying fuck about the bodies in the mine or their loved ones that survived them. All he cares about is cheap
at non Serco run prisons in New Zealand.
A bit like his total silence over revelations that fight clubs have occurred
No arguments from the Nat-bots - just personal abuse. Ho hum - well
here we go again - John Key said he had not seen any reports, well
apparently thee now is one - time for JOhn Key to deliver on his
promise . . . http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11750828
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 23:12:19 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>wrote:
wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 19:34:37 UTC+13, Pooh wrote:
On 15/11/2016 3:11 p.m., JohnO wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 14:45:08 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 13:05:34 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >> >> wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 09:53:47 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 08:13:28 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net>
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
On 11/14/2016 9:49 PM, Liberty wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:19:11 +1300,
wrote:wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:53:53 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net>
no advice.
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen
the view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support
sealedThere are a number of coal workings in the South Island that wereKey is carefully avoiding reading any new advice - read:
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said.
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378
Its time the families hardened up an moved on.
makeup after fatal accidents.
Should we reopen them?
Nobody is asking for that - as far as I am aware John Key did not
because of John Key? You are retarded.promises he has not kept in relation to those mine disasters. People >> >>>So you think those others can be left closed and Pike River opened
relevantWho is asking for other mines to be reopened?
are asking that war dead from Malaysia be repatriated back to New
Zealand - did that happen? - but of course that is not really
george.to the Pike River situation either. Nive try at a distraction,
are retarded.
You bring up Malaysia and then criticise george for distraction? You
anyoneIt is an analagous example - intended to show you the lack of logic of >> >> your questions as to whether other coal workings in the South Isalnd
should be reopened.
I do think it would be sensible to get another report about the drift >> >>>> area of Pike River Mine following the recent earthquakes before
than the drift you nincompoop.does enter though - when the situation changes, conclusions may need >> >>>> to change . .
The drift is the easy part. The bodies are in far more dangerous areas
No bodies were observed.
The families are only asking that the drift beexplored again -
apparently it was not fully explored. If that is easy why was it not
done?
Robots were sent up the drift between the first and second explosions.
in the mine or their loved ones that survived them. All he cares about is cheapGive up JohnO. Trying to feed facts to Rich is much like expecting a one >> year old to understand how to use a toilet. In both cases you'll just
finish up with shit all over the place....
Pooh
Yep. It is clear that Dickbot could not give a flying fuck about the bodies
at non Serco run prisons in New Zealand.A bit like his total silence over revelations that fight clubs have occurred
No arguments from the Nat-bots - just personal abuse. Ho hum - well
here we go again - John Key said he had not seen any reports, well
apparently thee now is one - time for JOhn Key to deliver on his
promise . . . http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11750828
I think Dickbot is about to break down. It's got into a loop and keepsrepeating itself.
Sad.
On Saturday, 19 November 2016 13:23:07 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:bodies were observed.
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 23:12:19 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 19:34:37 UTC+13, Pooh wrote:
On 15/11/2016 3:11 p.m., JohnO wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 14:45:08 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 13:05:34 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 09:53:47 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 08:13:28 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>Who is asking for other mines to be reopened?
So you think those others can be left closed and Pike River opened because of John Key? You are retarded.On 11/14/2016 9:49 PM, Liberty wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:19:11 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:There are a number of coal workings in the South Island that were sealed
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:53:53 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:Key is carefully avoiding reading any new advice - read: >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen no advice.
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support the view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."' >>>>>>>>>>>>
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
Its time the families hardened up an moved on.
up after fatal accidents.
Should we reopen them?
Nobody is asking for that - as far as I am aware John Key did not make >>>>>>>> promises he has not kept in relation to those mine disasters. People >>>>>>>
It is an analagous example - intended to show you the lack of logic of >>>>>> your questions as to whether other coal workings in the South Isalnd >>>>>> should be reopened.
are asking that war dead from Malaysia be repatriated back to New >>>>>>>> Zealand - did that happen? - but of course that is not really relevant >>>>>>>> to the Pike River situation either. Nive try at a distraction, george. >>>>>>>You bring up Malaysia and then criticise george for distraction? You are retarded.
I do think it would be sensible to get another report about the drift >>>>>>>> area of Pike River Mine following the recent earthquakes before anyone >>>>>>>> does enter though - when the situation changes, conclusions may need >>>>>>>> to change . .
The drift is the easy part. The bodies are in far more dangerous areas than the drift you nincompoop.
The families are only asking that the drift beexplored again -
apparently it was not fully explored. If that is easy why was it not >>>>>> done?
Robots were sent up the drift between the first and second explosions. No
in the mine or their loved ones that survived them. All he cares about is cheapGive up JohnO. Trying to feed facts to Rich is much like expecting a one >>>> year old to understand how to use a toilet. In both cases you'll just
finish up with shit all over the place....
Pooh
Yep. It is clear that Dickbot could not give a flying fuck about the bodies
repeating itself.
A bit like his total silence over revelations that fight clubs have occurred at non Serco run prisons in New Zealand.
No arguments from the Nat-bots - just personal abuse. Ho hum - well
here we go again - John Key said he had not seen any reports, well
apparently thee now is one - time for JOhn Key to deliver on his
promise . . .
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11750828
I think Dickbot is about to break down. It's got into a loop and keeps
Sad.
On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 02:05:58 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>He is as bad as you, perhaps your favourite mentor!
wrote:
On Saturday, 19 November 2016 13:23:07 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 23:12:19 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 19:34:37 UTC+13, Pooh wrote:
On 15/11/2016 3:11 p.m., JohnO wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 14:45:08 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:Give up JohnO. Trying to feed facts to Rich is much like expecting a one >>> >> year old to understand how to use a toilet. In both cases you'll just >>> >> finish up with shit all over the place....
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 13:05:34 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>> >> >> wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 09:53:47 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:Who is asking for other mines to be reopened?
On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 08:13:28 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net>
wrote:
On 11/14/2016 9:49 PM, Liberty wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:19:11 +1300,There are a number of coal workings in the South Island that were >>> >> >>>>>sealed
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:53:53 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> >>> >> >>>>>>>wrote:
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:Key is carefully avoiding reading any new advice - read:
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had
seen no advice.
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to
support the view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said. >>> >> >>>>>>>>>
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378
Its time the families hardened up an moved on.
up after fatal accidents.
Should we reopen them?
Nobody is asking for that - as far as I am aware John Key did not >>> >> >>>>make
promises he has not kept in relation to those mine disasters. People
So you think those others can be left closed and Pike River opened >>> >> >>>because of John Key? You are retarded.
It is an analagous example - intended to show you the lack of logic of
are asking that war dead from Malaysia be repatriated back to New >>> >> >>>> Zealand - did that happen? - but of course that is not really
relevant
to the Pike River situation either. Nive try at a distraction,
george.
You bring up Malaysia and then criticise george for distraction? You >>> >> >>>are retarded.
your questions as to whether other coal workings in the South Isalnd >>> >> >> should be reopened.
I do think it would be sensible to get another report about the
drift
area of Pike River Mine following the recent earthquakes before
anyone
does enter though - when the situation changes, conclusions may need
to change . .
The drift is the easy part. The bodies are in far more dangerous
areas than the drift you nincompoop.
The families are only asking that the drift beexplored again -
apparently it was not fully explored. If that is easy why was it not >>> >> >> done?
Robots were sent up the drift between the first and second explosions. >>> >> >No bodies were observed.
Pooh
Yep. It is clear that Dickbot could not give a flying fuck about the
bodies in the mine or their loved ones that survived them. All he cares about
is cheap political point scoring.
A bit like his total silence over revelations that fight clubs have
occurred at non Serco run prisons in New Zealand.
No arguments from the Nat-bots - just personal abuse. Ho hum - well
here we go again - John Key said he had not seen any reports, well
apparently thee now is one - time for JOhn Key to deliver on his
promise . . .
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11750828
I think Dickbot is about to break down. It's got into a loop and keeps >>repeating itself.
Sad.
http://www.labour.org.nz/promises_to_pike_families_must_be_kept
I suspect National have done their polling; they know they will notThere are experts that say it is unsafe to go further than the end of the drift (you have been given the cite). If you believe otherwise I would support you trying it for yourself!
take the West Coast, they don't care, and they believe their lies are
not yet cutting through to the general public - indeed they have
useful idiots defending their callous disregard for the promises John
Key denies ever making.
On Saturday, 19 November 2016 13:23:07 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:no advice.
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 23:12:19 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 19:34:37 UTC+13, Pooh wrote:
On 15/11/2016 3:11 p.m., JohnO wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 14:45:08 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 13:05:34 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >> >> >> wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 09:53:47 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 08:13:28 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 11/14/2016 9:49 PM, Liberty wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:19:11 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:53:53 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen
in the mine or their loved ones that survived them. All he cares about is cheapGive up JohnO. Trying to feed facts to Rich is much like expecting a one >> >> year old to understand how to use a toilet. In both cases you'll justWho is asking for other mines to be reopened?So you think those others can be left closed and Pike River opened because of John Key? You are retarded.There are a number of coal workings in the South Island that were sealedKey is carefully avoiding reading any new advice - read:
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support the view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said.
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378
Its time the families hardened up an moved on.
up after fatal accidents.
Should we reopen them?
Nobody is asking for that - as far as I am aware John Key did not make
promises he has not kept in relation to those mine disasters. People >> >> >>>
It is an analagous example - intended to show you the lack of logic of >> >> >> your questions as to whether other coal workings in the South Isalnd >> >> >> should be reopened.
are asking that war dead from Malaysia be repatriated back to New
Zealand - did that happen? - but of course that is not really relevant
to the Pike River situation either. Nive try at a distraction, george.
You bring up Malaysia and then criticise george for distraction? You are retarded.
I do think it would be sensible to get another report about the drift
area of Pike River Mine following the recent earthquakes before anyone
does enter though - when the situation changes, conclusions may need >> >> >>>> to change . .
The drift is the easy part. The bodies are in far more dangerous areas than the drift you nincompoop.
The families are only asking that the drift beexplored again -
apparently it was not fully explored. If that is easy why was it not >> >> >> done?
Robots were sent up the drift between the first and second explosions. No bodies were observed.
finish up with shit all over the place....
Pooh
Yep. It is clear that Dickbot could not give a flying fuck about the bodies
A bit like his total silence over revelations that fight clubs have occurred at non Serco run prisons in New Zealand.
No arguments from the Nat-bots - just personal abuse. Ho hum - well
here we go again - John Key said he had not seen any reports, well
apparently thee now is one - time for JOhn Key to deliver on his
promise . . .
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11750828
I think Dickbot is about to break down. It's got into a loop and keeps repeating itself.
Sad.
On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 02:05:58 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>the view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
wrote:
On Saturday, 19 November 2016 13:23:07 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 23:12:19 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 19:34:37 UTC+13, Pooh wrote:
On 15/11/2016 3:11 p.m., JohnO wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 14:45:08 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 13:05:34 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 09:53:47 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 08:13:28 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 11/14/2016 9:49 PM, Liberty wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:19:11 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:53:53 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen no advice.
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support
than the drift you nincompoop.Who is asking for other mines to be reopened?So you think those others can be left closed and Pike River opened because of John Key? You are retarded.There are a number of coal workings in the South Island that were sealedKey is carefully avoiding reading any new advice - read: >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."' >>>>>>>>>>>>>
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
Its time the families hardened up an moved on.
up after fatal accidents.
Should we reopen them?
Nobody is asking for that - as far as I am aware John Key did not make
promises he has not kept in relation to those mine disasters. People >>>>>>>>
It is an analagous example - intended to show you the lack of logic of >>>>>>> your questions as to whether other coal workings in the South Isalnd >>>>>>> should be reopened.
are asking that war dead from Malaysia be repatriated back to New >>>>>>>>> Zealand - did that happen? - but of course that is not really relevant
to the Pike River situation either. Nive try at a distraction, george.
You bring up Malaysia and then criticise george for distraction? You are retarded.
I do think it would be sensible to get another report about the drift >>>>>>>>> area of Pike River Mine following the recent earthquakes before anyone
does enter though - when the situation changes, conclusions may need >>>>>>>>> to change . .
The drift is the easy part. The bodies are in far more dangerous areas
Give up JohnO. Trying to feed facts to Rich is much like expecting a one >>>>> year old to understand how to use a toilet. In both cases you'll just >>>>> finish up with shit all over the place....
The families are only asking that the drift beexplored again -
apparently it was not fully explored. If that is easy why was it not >>>>>>> done?
Robots were sent up the drift between the first and second explosions. No bodies were observed.
Pooh
Yep. It is clear that Dickbot could not give a flying fuck about the bodies in the mine or their loved ones that survived them. All he cares about is cheap political point scoring.
A bit like his total silence over revelations that fight clubs have occurred at non Serco run prisons in New Zealand.
No arguments from the Nat-bots - just personal abuse. Ho hum - well
here we go again - John Key said he had not seen any reports, well
apparently thee now is one - time for JOhn Key to deliver on his
promise . . .
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11750828
I think Dickbot is about to break down. It's got into a loop and keeps repeating itself.
Sad.
http://www.labour.org.nz/promises_to_pike_families_must_be_kept
I suspect National have done their polling; they know they will not
take the West Coast, they don't care, and they believe their lies are
not yet cutting through to the general public - indeed they have
useful idiots defending their callous disregard for the promises John
Key denies ever making.
There are experts that say it is unsafe to go further than the end of thedrift
(you have been given the cite). If you believe otherwise I would support you trying it for yourself!
Tony
On 11/20/2016 5:12 PM, Tony wrote:The experts said that it was too dangerous, and it was - back in 2012
There are experts that say it is unsafe to go further than the end of the driftThe group kook actually doing something apart from post his anti Key >diatribes ??????
(you have been given the cite). If you believe otherwise I would support you >> trying it for yourself!
Tony
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 23:12:19 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>This is what John Key actually promised.
wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 19:34:37 UTC+13, Pooh wrote:
On 15/11/2016 3:11 p.m., JohnO wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 14:45:08 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:Give up JohnO. Trying to feed facts to Rich is much like expecting a one >>> year old to understand how to use a toilet. In both cases you'll just
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 13:05:34 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>> >> wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 09:53:47 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:Who is asking for other mines to be reopened?
On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 08:13:28 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote: >>> >>>>So you think those others can be left closed and Pike River opened
On 11/14/2016 9:49 PM, Liberty wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:19:11 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> >>> >>>>>> wrote:There are a number of coal workings in the South Island that were
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:53:53 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net>
wrote:
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:Key is carefully avoiding reading any new advice - read:
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen >>> >>>>>>>>>no advice.
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support >>> >>>>>>>>>the view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said.
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378
Its time the families hardened up an moved on.
sealed
up after fatal accidents.
Should we reopen them?
Nobody is asking for that - as far as I am aware John Key did not make >>> >>>> promises he has not kept in relation to those mine disasters. People >>> >>>
because of John Key? You are retarded.
It is an analagous example - intended to show you the lack of logic of >>> >> your questions as to whether other coal workings in the South Isalnd
are asking that war dead from Malaysia be repatriated back to NewYou bring up Malaysia and then criticise george for distraction? You >>> >>>are retarded.
Zealand - did that happen? - but of course that is not really relevant >>> >>>> to the Pike River situation either. Nive try at a distraction, george. >>> >>>
should be reopened.
I do think it would be sensible to get another report about the drift >>> >>>> area of Pike River Mine following the recent earthquakes before anyone >>> >>>> does enter though - when the situation changes, conclusions may need >>> >>>> to change . .
The drift is the easy part. The bodies are in far more dangerous areas >>> >>>than the drift you nincompoop.
The families are only asking that the drift beexplored again -
apparently it was not fully explored. If that is easy why was it not
done?
Robots were sent up the drift between the first and second explosions. No >>> >bodies were observed.
finish up with shit all over the place....
Pooh
Yep. It is clear that Dickbot could not give a flying fuck about the bodies >>in the mine or their loved ones that survived them. All he cares about is cheap
political point scoring.
A bit like his total silence over revelations that fight clubs have occurred >>at non Serco run prisons in New Zealand.
No arguments from the Nat-bots - just personal abuse. Ho hum - well
here we go again - John Key said he had not seen any reports, well
apparently thee now is one - time for JOhn Key to deliver on his
promise . . . >http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11750828
On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 08:35:36 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 11/20/2016 5:12 PM, Tony wrote:The experts said that it was too dangerous, and it was - back in 2012
There are experts that say it is unsafe to go further than the end of the driftThe group kook actually doing something apart from post his anti Key
(you have been given the cite). If you believe otherwise I would support you
trying it for yourself!
Tony
diatribes ??????
- since then gas levels have reduced, and the Pike River Families have
an expert report saying that they are now low enough to have another
look at at least part of the mine.
John Key has been reminded of his promise - it was recorded - but
chooses to ignore it.
On Monday, 21 November 2016 14:33:09 UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:continue to repeat the lies, smears and innuendo.
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 23:12:19 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>This is what John Key actually promised.
wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 19:34:37 UTC+13, Pooh wrote:
On 15/11/2016 3:11 p.m., JohnO wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 14:45:08 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:Give up JohnO. Trying to feed facts to Rich is much like expecting a one >>>>> year old to understand how to use a toilet. In both cases you'll just >>>>> finish up with shit all over the place....
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 13:05:34 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 09:53:47 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 08:13:28 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:Who is asking for other mines to be reopened?
So you think those others can be left closed and Pike River opened >>>>>>>> because of John Key? You are retarded.
On 11/14/2016 9:49 PM, Liberty wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:19:11 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>There are a number of coal workings in the South Island that were >>>>>>>>>> sealed
wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:53:53 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:Key is carefully avoiding reading any new advice - read: >>>>>>>>>>>>
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen >>>>>>>>>>>>>> no advice.
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to support >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."' >>>>>>>>>>>>>
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378
Its time the families hardened up an moved on.
up after fatal accidents.
Should we reopen them?
Nobody is asking for that - as far as I am aware John Key did not make
promises he has not kept in relation to those mine disasters. People >>>>>>>>
It is an analagous example - intended to show you the lack of logic of >>>>>>> your questions as to whether other coal workings in the South Isalnd >>>>>>> should be reopened.
are asking that war dead from Malaysia be repatriated back to New >>>>>>>>> Zealand - did that happen? - but of course that is not really relevant
to the Pike River situation either. Nive try at a distraction, george.
You bring up Malaysia and then criticise george for distraction? You >>>>>>>> are retarded.
I do think it would be sensible to get another report about the drift >>>>>>>>> area of Pike River Mine following the recent earthquakes before anyone
does enter though - when the situation changes, conclusions may need >>>>>>>>> to change . .
The drift is the easy part. The bodies are in far more dangerous areas >>>>>>>> than the drift you nincompoop.
The families are only asking that the drift beexplored again -
apparently it was not fully explored. If that is easy why was it not >>>>>>> done?
Robots were sent up the drift between the first and second explosions. No
bodies were observed.
Pooh
Yep. It is clear that Dickbot could not give a flying fuck about the bodies
in the mine or their loved ones that survived them. All he cares about is cheap
political point scoring.
A bit like his total silence over revelations that fight clubs have occurred
at non Serco run prisons in New Zealand.
No arguments from the Nat-bots - just personal abuse. Ho hum - well
here we go again - John Key said he had not seen any reports, well
apparently thee now is one - time for JOhn Key to deliver on his
promise . . .
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11750828
"After the news that there had been several explosions and the men would not >> have survived, Prime Minister John Key told the miners' families recovering the
bodies would remain "an absolute priority"."
He later promised to do "everything we practically could to get the bodies of
the victims out".
None of which was an uneqquivocal promise, indeed to have given one would have
been stupid and unfair.
So you are lying again!
Also the mine is still unsafe, the drift may not be but the boys were deeper >> than that.
Your inability to sift the truth from wishful fantasy ensures your continued >> ostracisation in this forum.
Tony
And this has been pointed out to Dickbot before. It doesn't care - it will
Which is all very strange, as all it does is damage the credibility of theleft and drive people to the centre-right.
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 23:12:19 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 19:34:37 UTC+13, Pooh wrote:
On 15/11/2016 3:11 p.m., JohnO wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 14:45:08 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 13:05:34 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>> >> wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 09:53:47 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 08:13:28 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net>
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
On 11/14/2016 9:49 PM, Liberty wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:19:11 +1300,
supportwrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:53:53 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> >>> >>>>>>>wrote:
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had seen >>> >>>>>>>>>no advice.
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to
makeThere are a number of coal workings in the South Island that were >>> >>>>>sealedKey is carefully avoiding reading any new advice - read:the view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said. >>> >>>>>>>>>
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378
Its time the families hardened up an moved on.
up after fatal accidents.
Should we reopen them?
Nobody is asking for that - as far as I am aware John Key did not
relevantWho is asking for other mines to be reopened?promises he has not kept in relation to those mine disasters. People >>> >>>So you think those others can be left closed and Pike River opened >>> >>>because of John Key? You are retarded.
are asking that war dead from Malaysia be repatriated back to New >>> >>>> Zealand - did that happen? - but of course that is not really
george.to the Pike River situation either. Nive try at a distraction,
driftIt is an analagous example - intended to show you the lack of logic of >>> >> your questions as to whether other coal workings in the South Isalnd >>> >> should be reopened.
You bring up Malaysia and then criticise george for distraction? You >>> >>>are retarded.
I do think it would be sensible to get another report about the
anyonearea of Pike River Mine following the recent earthquakes before
areasdoes enter though - when the situation changes, conclusions may need >>> >>>> to change . .
The drift is the easy part. The bodies are in far more dangerous
Nothan the drift you nincompoop.
The families are only asking that the drift beexplored again -
apparently it was not fully explored. If that is easy why was it not >>> >> done?
Robots were sent up the drift between the first and second explosions.
cheapbodies were observed.Give up JohnO. Trying to feed facts to Rich is much like expecting a one >>> year old to understand how to use a toilet. In both cases you'll just
finish up with shit all over the place....
Pooh
Yep. It is clear that Dickbot could not give a flying fuck about the bodies >>in the mine or their loved ones that survived them. All he cares about is
occurredpolitical point scoring.
A bit like his total silence over revelations that fight clubs have
theat non Serco run prisons in New Zealand.
No arguments from the Nat-bots - just personal abuse. Ho hum - wellThis is what John Key actually promised.
here we go again - John Key said he had not seen any reports, well >apparently thee now is one - time for JOhn Key to deliver on his
promise . . . >http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11750828
"After the news that there had been several explosions and the men would not have survived, Prime Minister John Key told the miners' families recovering
bodies would remain "an absolute priority"."have
He later promised to do "everything we practically could to get the bodies of the victims out".
None of which was an uneqquivocal promise, indeed to have given one would
been stupid and unfair.
So you are lying again!
Also the mine is still unsafe, the drift may not be but the boys were deeper than that.
Your inability to sift the truth from wishful fantasy ensures your continued ostracisation in this forum.
Tony
On Monday, 21 November 2016 14:33:09 UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote: >> Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Oh no, not the centre right (holds index fingers up in the form of the cross). That den of iniquity and evilness. Very slightly to the right of the centre left NZ Labour party!. We are doomed. I guess we are lucky that the majority of New Zealanders have had more than enough smarts to not vote for a party that has no policy and can only follow Rich's lead and assassinate the characters of their somewhat more talented opponents.
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 23:12:19 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>This is what John Key actually promised.
wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 19:34:37 UTC+13, Pooh wrote:
On 15/11/2016 3:11 p.m., JohnO wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 14:45:08 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:Give up JohnO. Trying to feed facts to Rich is much like expecting a one >> >>> year old to understand how to use a toilet. In both cases you'll just
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 13:05:34 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >> >>> >> wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 November 2016 09:53:47 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 08:13:28 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net>
wrote:
On 11/14/2016 9:49 PM, Liberty wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:19:11 +1300,
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:53:53 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> >> >>> >>>>>>>wrote:
On 11/14/2016 9:49 AM, JohnO wrote:
Dickbot, you have persistently lied, and said that Key had
seen
no advice.
Now read this, then shut the fuck up:
Key is carefully avoiding reading any new advice - read:http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317583/pike-river-mine-still-too-dangerous-to-enter-solid-energy
'Prime Minister John Key said he had seen no evidence to
support
the view that Pike River Mine was safe to enter.
The advice he had indicated it was still dangerous, he said. >> >>> >>>>>>>>>
"I haven't seen anything that would counter that view."'
So rich got caught out in yet another lie...
Who is asking for other mines to be reopened?There are a number of coal workings in the South Island that were >> >>> >>>>>sealedhttp://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747378
Its time the families hardened up an moved on.
up after fatal accidents.
Should we reopen them?
Nobody is asking for that - as far as I am aware John Key did not >> >>> >>>>make
promises he has not kept in relation to those mine disasters. People
So you think those others can be left closed and Pike River opened >> >>> >>>because of John Key? You are retarded.
It is an analagous example - intended to show you the lack of logic of
are asking that war dead from Malaysia be repatriated back to New >> >>> >>>> Zealand - did that happen? - but of course that is not really
relevant
to the Pike River situation either. Nive try at a distraction,
george.
You bring up Malaysia and then criticise george for distraction? You >> >>> >>>are retarded.
your questions as to whether other coal workings in the South Isalnd >> >>> >> should be reopened.
I do think it would be sensible to get another report about the
drift
area of Pike River Mine following the recent earthquakes before
anyone
does enter though - when the situation changes, conclusions may need
to change . .
The drift is the easy part. The bodies are in far more dangerous
areas
than the drift you nincompoop.
The families are only asking that the drift beexplored again -
apparently it was not fully explored. If that is easy why was it not >> >>> >> done?
Robots were sent up the drift between the first and second explosions. >> >>> >No
bodies were observed.
finish up with shit all over the place....
Pooh
Yep. It is clear that Dickbot could not give a flying fuck about the
bodies
in the mine or their loved ones that survived them. All he cares about is >> >>cheap
political point scoring.
A bit like his total silence over revelations that fight clubs have
occurred
at non Serco run prisons in New Zealand.
No arguments from the Nat-bots - just personal abuse. Ho hum - well
here we go again - John Key said he had not seen any reports, well
apparently thee now is one - time for JOhn Key to deliver on his
promise . . .
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11750828
"After the news that there had been several explosions and the men would not >> have survived, Prime Minister John Key told the miners' families recovering >>the
bodies would remain "an absolute priority"."
He later promised to do "everything we practically could to get the bodies >>of
the victims out".
None of which was an uneqquivocal promise, indeed to have given one would >>have
been stupid and unfair.
So you are lying again!
Also the mine is still unsafe, the drift may not be but the boys were deeper >> than that.
Your inability to sift the truth from wishful fantasy ensures your continued >> ostracisation in this forum.
Tony
And this has been pointed out to Dickbot before. It doesn't care - it will >continue to repeat the lies, smears and innuendo.
Which is all very strange, as all it does is damage the credibility of the >left and drive people to the centre-right.
FIrst the Promise http://www.newshub.co.nz/tvshows/campbelllive/pike-river-mine-families-feeling-abandoned-by-prime-minster-2012101515
and the position back in 2012:http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/7929647/Pike-entry-possible-experts
Now there are plans to seal the mine.
and John Campbell after another 4 years:
https://youtu.be/W5wbwWkIfKM
Another article http://thejackalman.blogspot.co.nz/2012/01/pike-river-broken-promises.html
From that article:
"Monk would write to Prime Minister John Key urging the Government to
allow access to the drift.
"It's just bloody frustrating. Have we had any more explosions in the
last six years? Have we had any more gas problems? The answer is no.
Yet they still won't do the job," he said.
"We're not asking them to go and get the men out, we're asking them to retrieve the drift. It'll give accountability and justice, which is
what the families want."
Key said he had not seen any evidence suggesting the mine was safe to re-enter.
"I haven't seen any evidence to support that.
"Historically the view has been from our officials and our experts
that it's too dangerous, and I haven't seen anything that would
counter that view," he said. "
___
Those are weasel words from our prime minister - he carefully avoids
saying whether theere is any advice, and if there is not he should get
some!
John Key made a promise - the issue now is how often he can break
promises and get away with it
On 13/11/2016 8:30 a.m., Rich80105 wrote:Rich you are an absolute prick. You don't give a damn about the families and you continue to try to make political gain from human misery.
FIrst the PromiseGee Rich. Looks like Solid Energy have been reading your posts! >http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/solid-energy-slams-pike-re-entry-claims/ar-AAkxBqL?li=BBqdk7Q&ocid=SK2MDHP
http://www.newshub.co.nz/tvshows/campbelllive/pike-river-mine-families-feeling-abandoned-by-prime-minster-2012101515
and the position back in
2012:http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/7929647/Pike-entry-possible-experts
Now there are plans to seal the mine.
and John Campbell after another 4 years:
https://youtu.be/W5wbwWkIfKM
Another article
http://thejackalman.blogspot.co.nz/2012/01/pike-river-broken-promises.html >>
From that article:
"Monk would write to Prime Minister John Key urging the Government to
allow access to the drift.
"It's just bloody frustrating. Have we had any more explosions in the
last six years? Have we had any more gas problems? The answer is no.
Yet they still won't do the job," he said.
"We're not asking them to go and get the men out, we're asking them to
retrieve the drift. It'll give accountability and justice, which is
what the families want."
Key said he had not seen any evidence suggesting the mine was safe to
re-enter.
"I haven't seen any evidence to support that.
"Historically the view has been from our officials and our experts
that it's too dangerous, and I haven't seen anything that would
counter that view," he said. "
___
Those are weasel words from our prime minister - he carefully avoids
saying whether theere is any advice, and if there is not he should get
some!
John Key made a promise - the issue now is how often he can break
promises and get away with it
Fancy such a fine upstanding troll n' Labour-bot would spread scurrilous >rumours!
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