On Thu, 03 Nov 2016 17:30:46 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 03 Nov 2016 16:26:48 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 3 Nov 2016 12:20:20 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>>wrote:

On Thursday, 3 November 2016 16:14:19 UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com >>>>>>wrote:

That this was foiled because of the SIS activity that this government >>>>>>>has
agreed to? Highly likely I think!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/86059036/domestic-terrorist-incident-threat-triggered-national-security-system

Tony

If the Greens had their way this would most likely never have been picked >>>>>>up.

Perhaps we are lucky anything gets picked up.

Nonsense, it is due to professional vigilence, good information from our >>>>allies
and a determined overwatch bu the SIS and police.

snipped stupidity
Tony

and a little of this? >>>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11741538

Unrelated subject

Perhaps that explains why it has taken so long for any announcement to
be made, the lack of details, and the lack of reason given for why the >>>announcement has been made now. Certainly a terrorit threat is not >>>something to be taken lightly, but it is strange that a threat has
been apparently been prevented from causing harm without any
prosecutions or other information being able to be released.

Not at all strange, the whole matter of security sometimes has to be handled >>in
absolute secrecy so that the miscreants are not warned of the attention that >>is
on them and that can continue for a very long time, even years. But then that >>is hardly brain surgery and I am sure you are deliberately ignoring the >>obvious
as usual. Prosecutions do not always result of course, only the dimwitted >>would
believe that they would.

I have no doubt that our spy agencies do some good work, but there do >>>need to be some safeguards - many found it surprising that Telcos were >>>beng asked to give informatin to agencies without a warrant, and some
of those (like journalists) may not have been too reassured by John
Key's assurances: >>>https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/you-have-more-fear-facebook-and-google-than-our-spy-agencies-says-john-key

Do you want someone to do all possible to keep us safe or would you prefer >>regular attacks on the people of this country? Your call. But if you want a >>large degree of safety you must accept that you will not know what is going >>on
until it is over, very very simple! The political shit that you and others >>have
invented over this matter should make you ashamed.

Tony

I do accept that we cannot know all that is going on with our security >services, but it is then strange for us to be told a headline with no
facts supporting it - why was the statement made now so long after any >events?

We do however also, as a country, want to restrict the activities of
any company or government agency to activities that are lawful, and
the government has provided for some oversight on our behalf, and it
is wrrying that the rport just released says:
"Overall, I conclude that some further work is required before I can
assess NZSIS’s compliance procedures and systems as sound."

and from: >http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11741426 >"In early 2015, Gwyn raised a serious issue about whether certain SIS >activity was lawful and, if not, how that could be remedied.

"I raised the issue with the Director in June 2015 and provided the
Director with detailed provisional findings on my view of the legality
of the activity in August 2015. The NZSIS provided its first
substantive response to the questions raised in March-April 2016,"
Gwyn wrote in the annual report, released today.

While she appreciated the issue was complex and substantial work is
underway on the questions raised, Gwyn said the "time taken to engage
with and resolve this significant issue is in itself a matter of
concern".

"To ensure it operates lawfully, the NZSIS must be able to deal with
such issues in a more timely way. I will report fully on this issue as
soon as possible." "