Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:have
Caught the tail end of the presidential debate. Damn near fell off meI am no supporter of the left and indeed no supporter of any party but you
chair when Clinton channelled Rich and quoted: We'll make sure the rich
pay their fair share of taxes.... A Rich truism he's stated here on many
occasions. Though she, like Rich didn't define wealthy though she did
expose her hypocrisy after she dodged paying taxes on $1,000,000 last
year. The comments enough to make Trump look like a better choice for
president after all :)
Pooh
to be mad to support Trump.Or clinton
Caught the tail end of the presidential debate. Damn near fell off meI am no supporter of the left and indeed no supporter of any party but you have to be mad to support Trump.
chair when Clinton channelled Rich and quoted: We'll make sure the rich
pay their fair share of taxes.... A Rich truism he's stated here on many >occasions. Though she, like Rich didn't define wealthy though she did
expose her hypocrisy after she dodged paying taxes on $1,000,000 last
year. The comments enough to make Trump look like a better choice for >president after all :)
Pooh
On 10/21/2016 7:42 PM, Tony wrote:At this time the Americans have to choose, of course many will not vote. But at the end of the day they have to choose!
Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Or clinton
Caught the tail end of the presidential debate. Damn near fell off meI am no supporter of the left and indeed no supporter of any party but you >>have
chair when Clinton channelled Rich and quoted: We'll make sure the rich
pay their fair share of taxes.... A Rich truism he's stated here on many >>> occasions. Though she, like Rich didn't define wealthy though she did
expose her hypocrisy after she dodged paying taxes on $1,000,000 last
year. The comments enough to make Trump look like a better choice for
president after all :)
Pooh
to be mad to support Trump.
george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:at
On 10/21/2016 7:42 PM, Tony wrote:At this time the Americans have to choose, of course many will not vote. But
Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Or clinton
Caught the tail end of the presidential debate. Damn near fell off meI am no supporter of the left and indeed no supporter of any party but you >>>have
chair when Clinton channelled Rich and quoted: We'll make sure the rich >>>> pay their fair share of taxes.... A Rich truism he's stated here on many >>>> occasions. Though she, like Rich didn't define wealthy though she did
expose her hypocrisy after she dodged paying taxes on $1,000,000 last
year. The comments enough to make Trump look like a better choice for
president after all :)
Pooh
to be mad to support Trump.
the end of the day they have to choose!
Of the two Clinton is the least dangerous and the least septic.
Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:have
Caught the tail end of the presidential debate. Damn near fell off meI am no supporter of the left and indeed no supporter of any party but you
chair when Clinton channelled Rich and quoted: We'll make sure the rich
pay their fair share of taxes.... A Rich truism he's stated here on many >>occasions. Though she, like Rich didn't define wealthy though she did >>expose her hypocrisy after she dodged paying taxes on $1,000,000 last
year. The comments enough to make Trump look like a better choice for >>president after all :)
Pooh
to be mad to support Trump.
On 10/21/2016 7:42 PM, Tony wrote:
Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Or clinton
Caught the tail end of the presidential debate. Damn near fell off meI am no supporter of the left and indeed no supporter of any party but
chair when Clinton channelled Rich and quoted: We'll make sure the rich
pay their fair share of taxes.... A Rich truism he's stated here on many >>> occasions. Though she, like Rich didn't define wealthy though she did
expose her hypocrisy after she dodged paying taxes on $1,000,000 last
year. The comments enough to make Trump look like a better choice for
president after all :)
Pooh
you have
to be mad to support Trump.
Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:have
Caught the tail end of the presidential debate. Damn near fell off meI am no supporter of the left and indeed no supporter of any party but you
chair when Clinton channelled Rich and quoted: We'll make sure the rich
pay their fair share of taxes.... A Rich truism he's stated here on many
occasions. Though she, like Rich didn't define wealthy though she did
expose her hypocrisy after she dodged paying taxes on $1,000,000 last
year. The comments enough to make Trump look like a better choice for
president after all :)
Pooh
to be mad to support Trump.
Tony
On 2016-10-21, Tony <lizandtony> wrote:
Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Caught the tail end of the presidential debate. Damn near fell off meI am no supporter of the left and indeed no supporter of any party but you have
chair when Clinton channelled Rich and quoted: We'll make sure the rich
pay their fair share of taxes.... A Rich truism he's stated here on many >>> occasions. Though she, like Rich didn't define wealthy though she did
expose her hypocrisy after she dodged paying taxes on $1,000,000 last
year. The comments enough to make Trump look like a better choice for
president after all :)
Pooh
to be mad to support Trump.
Or Clinton.
It is amazing to think that these two are who have been selected to stand
for the position of Prezzy of the U S of A. Quite an achievement for the people of that country.
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.Yes that is correct but Rich believes our right of centre parties are extreme right, he has used other more flowery but incorrect descriptions. NZ parties are all pretty close to centrist by world standards.
On 21/10/2016 07:42 PM, Tony wrote:
Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Ditto. Anyway the Democrats are well right of our left parties.
Caught the tail end of the presidential debate. Damn near fell off meI am no supporter of the left and indeed no supporter of any party but you >>have
chair when Clinton channelled Rich and quoted: We'll make sure the rich
pay their fair share of taxes.... A Rich truism he's stated here on many >>> occasions. Though she, like Rich didn't define wealthy though she did
expose her hypocrisy after she dodged paying taxes on $1,000,000 last
year. The comments enough to make Trump look like a better choice for
president after all :)
Pooh
to be mad to support Trump.
Tony
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On 2016-10-21, Tony <lizandtony> wrote:I (and others) can only judge based on what has happened and been seen to date. No contest in my view.
george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 10/21/2016 7:42 PM, Tony wrote:At this time the Americans have to choose, of course many will not vote. But >>at
Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Or clinton
Caught the tail end of the presidential debate. Damn near fell off me >>>>> chair when Clinton channelled Rich and quoted: We'll make sure the rich >>>>> pay their fair share of taxes.... A Rich truism he's stated here on many >>>>> occasions. Though she, like Rich didn't define wealthy though she did >>>>> expose her hypocrisy after she dodged paying taxes on $1,000,000 last >>>>> year. The comments enough to make Trump look like a better choice for >>>>> president after all :)I am no supporter of the left and indeed no supporter of any party but you >>>>have
Pooh
to be mad to support Trump.
the end of the day they have to choose!
Of the two Clinton is the least dangerous and the least septic.
That remains to be seen.
Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.Yes that is correct but Rich believes our right of centre parties are extreme >right, he has used other more flowery but incorrect descriptions. NZ parties >are all pretty close to centrist by world standards.
On 21/10/2016 07:42 PM, Tony wrote:
Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Ditto. Anyway the Democrats are well right of our left parties.
Caught the tail end of the presidential debate. Damn near fell off meI am no supporter of the left and indeed no supporter of any party but you >>>have
chair when Clinton channelled Rich and quoted: We'll make sure the rich >>>> pay their fair share of taxes.... A Rich truism he's stated here on many >>>> occasions. Though she, like Rich didn't define wealthy though she did
expose her hypocrisy after she dodged paying taxes on $1,000,000 last
year. The comments enough to make Trump look like a better choice for
president after all :)
Pooh
to be mad to support Trump.
Tony
[ dryrot.vcf ] (Attachment)
Tony
On Fri, 21 Oct 2016 16:46:25 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.Yes that is correct but Rich believes our right of centre parties are extreme
On 21/10/2016 07:42 PM, Tony wrote:
Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Ditto. Anyway the Democrats are well right of our left parties.
Caught the tail end of the presidential debate. Damn near fell off me >>>>> chair when Clinton channelled Rich and quoted: We'll make sure the rich >>>>> pay their fair share of taxes.... A Rich truism he's stated here on many >>>>> occasions. Though she, like Rich didn't define wealthy though she did >>>>> expose her hypocrisy after she dodged paying taxes on $1,000,000 last >>>>> year. The comments enough to make Trump look like a better choice for >>>>> president after all :)I am no supporter of the left and indeed no supporter of any party but you >>>> have
Pooh
to be mad to support Trump.
Tony
[ dryrot.vcf ] (Attachment)
right, he has used other more flowery but incorrect descriptions. NZ parties >> are all pretty close to centrist by world standards.
Tony
An attemot to compare such things can be seen in these: https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016 https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2014 https://www.politicalcompass.org/uk2015 https://www.politicalcompass.org/aus2016 https://www.politicalcompass.org/canada2015 https://www.politicalcompass.org/germany2013 https://www.politicalcompass.org/ireland2011
A comparison of country charts over time does appear to give a general
move towards the right over the last 10 to 20 years., but a return to
the left more recently. Governments around the world appear to be
fairly authoritarian as well.
Clinton is about as "Left" as the NZ National Party https://www.politicalcompass.org/euchart
On Fri, 21 Oct 2016 16:46:25 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netNone of these show NZ to be left or right in comparison to any international measure therefore all of them have limited academic value and no practical application. MY opinion is as good as theirs.
dot nz> wrote:
Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.Yes that is correct but Rich believes our right of centre parties are extreme >>right, he has used other more flowery but incorrect descriptions. NZ parties >>are all pretty close to centrist by world standards.
On 21/10/2016 07:42 PM, Tony wrote:
Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Ditto. Anyway the Democrats are well right of our left parties.
Caught the tail end of the presidential debate. Damn near fell off me >>>>> chair when Clinton channelled Rich and quoted: We'll make sure the rich >>>>> pay their fair share of taxes.... A Rich truism he's stated here on many >>>>> occasions. Though she, like Rich didn't define wealthy though she did >>>>> expose her hypocrisy after she dodged paying taxes on $1,000,000 last >>>>> year. The comments enough to make Trump look like a better choice for >>>>> president after all :)I am no supporter of the left and indeed no supporter of any party but you >>>>have
Pooh
to be mad to support Trump.
Tony
[ dryrot.vcf ] (Attachment)
Tony
An attemot to compare such things can be seen in these: >https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016 >https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2014 >https://www.politicalcompass.org/uk2015 >https://www.politicalcompass.org/aus2016 >https://www.politicalcompass.org/canada2015 >https://www.politicalcompass.org/germany2013 >https://www.politicalcompass.org/ireland2011
A comparison of country charts over time does appear to give a general
move towards the right over the last 10 to 20 years., but a return to
the left more recently. Governments around the world appear to be
fairly authoritarian as well.
Clinton is about as "Left" as the NZ National PartyWhatever that means, or are you attempting satire?
https://www.politicalcompass.org/euchart
On 21/10/2016 08:09 PM, george152 wrote:
On 10/21/2016 7:42 PM, Tony wrote:You surely see one worse than the other.
Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Or clinton
Caught the tail end of the presidential debate. Damn near fell off meI am no supporter of the left and indeed no supporter of any party but
chair when Clinton channelled Rich and quoted: We'll make sure the rich >>>> pay their fair share of taxes.... A Rich truism he's stated here on
many
occasions. Though she, like Rich didn't define wealthy though she did
expose her hypocrisy after she dodged paying taxes on $1,000,000 last
year. The comments enough to make Trump look like a better choice for
president after all :)
Pooh
you have
to be mad to support Trump.
If I were an American voter I would do my utmost to keep Trump out -
that would mean voting for Clinton.
On Fri, 21 Oct 2016 16:46:25 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.Yes that is correct but Rich believes our right of centre parties are extreme
On 21/10/2016 07:42 PM, Tony wrote:
Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Ditto. Anyway the Democrats are well right of our left parties.
Caught the tail end of the presidential debate. Damn near fell off me >>>>> chair when Clinton channelled Rich and quoted: We'll make sure the rich >>>>> pay their fair share of taxes.... A Rich truism he's stated here on many >>>>> occasions. Though she, like Rich didn't define wealthy though she did >>>>> expose her hypocrisy after she dodged paying taxes on $1,000,000 last >>>>> year. The comments enough to make Trump look like a better choice for >>>>> president after all :)I am no supporter of the left and indeed no supporter of any party but you >>>> have
Pooh
to be mad to support Trump.
Tony
[ dryrot.vcf ] (Attachment)
right, he has used other more flowery but incorrect descriptions. NZ parties >> are all pretty close to centrist by world standards.
Tony
An attemot to compare such things can be seen in these: https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016 https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2014 https://www.politicalcompass.org/uk2015 https://www.politicalcompass.org/aus2016 https://www.politicalcompass.org/canada2015 https://www.politicalcompass.org/germany2013 https://www.politicalcompass.org/ireland2011
A comparison of country charts over time does appear to give a general
move towards the right over the last 10 to 20 years., but a return to
the left more recently. Governments around the world appear to be
fairly authoritarian as well.
Clinton is about as "Left" as the NZ National Party https://www.politicalcompass.org/euchart
On 10/21/2016 8:23 PM, Gordon wrote:
On 2016-10-21, Tony <lizandtony> wrote:fortunately they are surrounded by 'advisors' and these keep they
Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Caught the tail end of the presidential debate. Damn near fell off meI am no supporter of the left and indeed no supporter of any party
chair when Clinton channelled Rich and quoted: We'll make sure the rich >>>> pay their fair share of taxes.... A Rich truism he's stated here on
many
occasions. Though she, like Rich didn't define wealthy though she did
expose her hypocrisy after she dodged paying taxes on $1,000,000 last
year. The comments enough to make Trump look like a better choice for
president after all :)
Pooh
but you have
to be mad to support Trump.
Or Clinton.
It is amazing to think that these two are who have been selected to stand
for the position of Prezzy of the U S of A. Quite an achievement for the
people of that country.
sycophants at bay (hopefully)...
So long as who ever is president doesn't run the Senate
On 10/21/2016 8:23 PM, Gordon wrote:
On 2016-10-21, Tony <lizandtony> wrote:fortunately they are surrounded by 'advisors' and these keep they
Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Caught the tail end of the presidential debate. Damn near fell off meI am no supporter of the left and indeed no supporter of any party
chair when Clinton channelled Rich and quoted: We'll make sure the rich >>>> pay their fair share of taxes.... A Rich truism he's stated here on
many
occasions. Though she, like Rich didn't define wealthy though she did
expose her hypocrisy after she dodged paying taxes on $1,000,000 last
year. The comments enough to make Trump look like a better choice for
president after all :)
Pooh
but you have
to be mad to support Trump.
Or Clinton.
It is amazing to think that these two are who have been selected to stand
for the position of Prezzy of the U S of A. Quite an achievement for the
people of that country.
sycophants at bay (hopefully)...
So long as who ever is president doesn't run the Senate
"Tony" wrote in message news:part1of1.1.#4$1jHHi#G2Fmg@ue.ph...Yes that is right fortunately and long may it be so.
Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.Yes that is correct but Rich believes our right of centre parties are
On 21/10/2016 07:42 PM, Tony wrote:
Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Ditto. Anyway the Democrats are well right of our left parties.
Caught the tail end of the presidential debate. Damn near fell off meI am no supporter of the left and indeed no supporter of any party but
chair when Clinton channelled Rich and quoted: We'll make sure the rich >>>> pay their fair share of taxes.... A Rich truism he's stated here on many >>>> occasions. Though she, like Rich didn't define wealthy though she did
expose her hypocrisy after she dodged paying taxes on $1,000,000 last
year. The comments enough to make Trump look like a better choice for
president after all :)
Pooh
you
have
to be mad to support Trump.
Tony
[ dryrot.vcf ] (Attachment)
extreme
right, he has used other more flowery but incorrect descriptions. NZ parties >are all pretty close to centrist by world standards.
Tony
Our politicians can safely walk among the public with no worries. The >American President can't, in America.
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.Yes that is correct but Rich believes our right of centre parties are
On 21/10/2016 07:42 PM, Tony wrote:
Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Ditto. Anyway the Democrats are well right of our left parties.
Caught the tail end of the presidential debate. Damn near fell off meI am no supporter of the left and indeed no supporter of any party but
chair when Clinton channelled Rich and quoted: We'll make sure the rich
pay their fair share of taxes.... A Rich truism he's stated here on many >>> occasions. Though she, like Rich didn't define wealthy though she did
expose her hypocrisy after she dodged paying taxes on $1,000,000 last
year. The comments enough to make Trump look like a better choice for
president after all :)
Pooh
you
have
to be mad to support Trump.
Tony
[ dryrot.vcf ] (Attachment)
"geopelia" <geopelia@nowhere.com> wrote:John Key seldom goes anywhere without armed protection squad members.
"Tony" wrote in message news:part1of1.1.#4$1jHHi#G2Fmg@ue.ph...Yes that is right fortunately and long may it be so.
Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.Yes that is correct but Rich believes our right of centre parties are >>extreme
On 21/10/2016 07:42 PM, Tony wrote:
Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Ditto. Anyway the Democrats are well right of our left parties.
Caught the tail end of the presidential debate. Damn near fell off me >>>>> chair when Clinton channelled Rich and quoted: We'll make sure the rich >>>>> pay their fair share of taxes.... A Rich truism he's stated here on many >>>>> occasions. Though she, like Rich didn't define wealthy though she did >>>>> expose her hypocrisy after she dodged paying taxes on $1,000,000 last >>>>> year. The comments enough to make Trump look like a better choice for >>>>> president after all :)I am no supporter of the left and indeed no supporter of any party but >>>> you
Pooh
have
to be mad to support Trump.
Tony
[ dryrot.vcf ] (Attachment)
right, he has used other more flowery but incorrect descriptions. NZ parties >>are all pretty close to centrist by world standards.
Tony
Our politicians can safely walk among the public with no worries. The >>American President can't, in America.
Whether that is because of the political climate here I have no idea but having
no extremes has to help.
Tony
On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 22:10:55 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netYou really can't help yourself can you?
dot nz> wrote:
"geopelia" <geopelia@nowhere.com> wrote:John Key seldom goes anywhere without armed protection squad members.
"Tony" wrote in message news:part1of1.1.#4$1jHHi#G2Fmg@ue.ph...Yes that is right fortunately and long may it be so.
Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.Yes that is correct but Rich believes our right of centre parties are >>>extreme
On 21/10/2016 07:42 PM, Tony wrote:
Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Ditto. Anyway the Democrats are well right of our left parties.
Caught the tail end of the presidential debate. Damn near fell off me >>>>>> chair when Clinton channelled Rich and quoted: We'll make sure the rich >>>>>> pay their fair share of taxes.... A Rich truism he's stated here on many >>>>>> occasions. Though she, like Rich didn't define wealthy though she did >>>>>> expose her hypocrisy after she dodged paying taxes on $1,000,000 last >>>>>> year. The comments enough to make Trump look like a better choice for >>>>>> president after all :)I am no supporter of the left and indeed no supporter of any party but >>>>> you
Pooh
have
to be mad to support Trump.
Tony
[ dryrot.vcf ] (Attachment)
right, he has used other more flowery but incorrect descriptions. NZ parties >>>are all pretty close to centrist by world standards.
Tony
Our politicians can safely walk among the public with no worries. The >>>American President can't, in America.
Whether that is because of the political climate here I have no idea but >>having
no extremes has to help.
Tony
He is the first NZ Prime Minister to so heavily rely on such
protection.
On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 22:10:55 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netmany
dot nz> wrote:
"geopelia" <geopelia@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Tony" wrote in message news:part1of1.1.#4$1jHHi#G2Fmg@ue.ph...
Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
On 21/10/2016 07:42 PM, Tony wrote:
Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Caught the tail end of the presidential debate. Damn near fell off me >>>>> chair when Clinton channelled Rich and quoted: We'll make sure the rich >>>>> pay their fair share of taxes.... A Rich truism he's stated here on
partiesYes that is correct but Rich believes our right of centre parties are >>extremeDitto. Anyway the Democrats are well right of our left parties.occasions. Though she, like Rich didn't define wealthy though she did >>>>> expose her hypocrisy after she dodged paying taxes on $1,000,000 last >>>>> year. The comments enough to make Trump look like a better choice for >>>>> president after all :)I am no supporter of the left and indeed no supporter of any party but >>>> you
Pooh
have
to be mad to support Trump.
Tony
[ dryrot.vcf ] (Attachment)
right, he has used other more flowery but incorrect descriptions. NZ
havingare all pretty close to centrist by world standards.Yes that is right fortunately and long may it be so.
Tony
Our politicians can safely walk among the public with no worries. The >>American President can't, in America.
Whether that is because of the political climate here I have no idea but
no extremes has to help.John Key seldom goes anywhere without armed protection squad members.
Tony
He is the first NZ Prime Minister to so heavily rely on such
protection.
You really can't help yourself can you?choice
"He is the first NZ Prime Minister to so heavily rely" implies it is his
where as it is not in reality.Helen
Also he and his family are still seen out and about without minders, and
Clark had minders from time to time.
Tony
On Thursday, 27 October 2016 21:29:31 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:fuckwits.
On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 22:10:55 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
"geopelia" <geopelia@nowhere.com> wrote:John Key seldom goes anywhere without armed protection squad members.
"Tony" wrote in message news:part1of1.1.#4$1jHHi#G2Fmg@ue.ph...Yes that is right fortunately and long may it be so.
Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.Yes that is correct but Rich believes our right of centre parties are
On 21/10/2016 07:42 PM, Tony wrote:
Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Ditto. Anyway the Democrats are well right of our left parties.
Caught the tail end of the presidential debate. Damn near fell off me >>>>>>> chair when Clinton channelled Rich and quoted: We'll make sure the rich >>>>>>> pay their fair share of taxes.... A Rich truism he's stated here on manyI am no supporter of the left and indeed no supporter of any party but >>>>>> you
occasions. Though she, like Rich didn't define wealthy though she did >>>>>>> expose her hypocrisy after she dodged paying taxes on $1,000,000 last >>>>>>> year. The comments enough to make Trump look like a better choice for >>>>>>> president after all :)
Pooh
have
to be mad to support Trump.
Tony
[ dryrot.vcf ] (Attachment)
extreme
right, he has used other more flowery but incorrect descriptions. NZ parties
are all pretty close to centrist by world standards.
Tony
Our politicians can safely walk among the public with no worries. The
American President can't, in America.
Whether that is because of the political climate here I have no idea but having
no extremes has to help.
Tony
How would you know? Making shit up again?
He is the first NZ Prime Minister to so heavily rely on such
protection.
If that's true, then you can put that down to the bad behaviour of lefty
On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 14:34:40 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netYou are full of it as usual Rich.
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 22:10:55 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netYou really can't help yourself can you?
dot nz> wrote:
"geopelia" <geopelia@nowhere.com> wrote:John Key seldom goes anywhere without armed protection squad members.
"Tony" wrote in message news:part1of1.1.#4$1jHHi#G2Fmg@ue.ph...Yes that is right fortunately and long may it be so.
Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.Yes that is correct but Rich believes our right of centre parties are >>>>>extreme
On 21/10/2016 07:42 PM, Tony wrote:
Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Ditto. Anyway the Democrats are well right of our left parties.
Caught the tail end of the presidential debate. Damn near fell off me >>>>>>>> chair when Clinton channelled Rich and quoted: We'll make sure the richI am no supporter of the left and indeed no supporter of any party but >>>>>>> you
pay their fair share of taxes.... A Rich truism he's stated here on >>>>>>>>many
occasions. Though she, like Rich didn't define wealthy though she did >>>>>>>> expose her hypocrisy after she dodged paying taxes on $1,000,000 last >>>>>>>> year. The comments enough to make Trump look like a better choice for >>>>>>>> president after all :)
Pooh
have
to be mad to support Trump.
Tony
[ dryrot.vcf ] (Attachment)
right, he has used other more flowery but incorrect descriptions. NZ >>>>>parties
are all pretty close to centrist by world standards.
Tony
Our politicians can safely walk among the public with no worries. The >>>>>American President can't, in America.
Whether that is because of the political climate here I have no idea but >>>>having
no extremes has to help.
Tony
He is the first NZ Prime Minister to so heavily rely on such
protection.
"He is the first NZ Prime Minister to so heavily rely" implies it is his >>choice
where as it is not in reality.
Also he and his family are still seen out and about without minders, and >>Helen
Clark had minders from time to time.
Tony
You can't help seeing implications that are not there, can you Tony. I
was responding to the statement that our politicians can safely walk
among the public with no worries - that is demonstrably not true, and
it is regrettable that there has needed to be an escalation of the
amount of protection required. John Key is virtually always
accompanied by protection squad members, previous prime ministers had
not required protection to the same extent. We have been told that the >increase is in response to credible threats and I have no reason not
to believe that. It is now eight years since John Key became prime
minister; and a lot has happened in the world since then; we are not
as different from the USA as some may like to think.
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 22:10:55 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netYou really can't help yourself can you?
dot nz> wrote:
"geopelia" <geopelia@nowhere.com> wrote:John Key seldom goes anywhere without armed protection squad members.
"Tony" wrote in message news:part1of1.1.#4$1jHHi#G2Fmg@ue.ph...Yes that is right fortunately and long may it be so.
Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.Yes that is correct but Rich believes our right of centre parties are >>>>extreme
On 21/10/2016 07:42 PM, Tony wrote:
Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Ditto. Anyway the Democrats are well right of our left parties.
Caught the tail end of the presidential debate. Damn near fell off me >>>>>>> chair when Clinton channelled Rich and quoted: We'll make sure the rich >>>>>>> pay their fair share of taxes.... A Rich truism he's stated here on manyI am no supporter of the left and indeed no supporter of any party but >>>>>> you
occasions. Though she, like Rich didn't define wealthy though she did >>>>>>> expose her hypocrisy after she dodged paying taxes on $1,000,000 last >>>>>>> year. The comments enough to make Trump look like a better choice for >>>>>>> president after all :)
Pooh
have
to be mad to support Trump.
Tony
[ dryrot.vcf ] (Attachment)
right, he has used other more flowery but incorrect descriptions. NZ parties
are all pretty close to centrist by world standards.
Tony
Our politicians can safely walk among the public with no worries. The >>>>American President can't, in America.
Whether that is because of the political climate here I have no idea but >>>having
no extremes has to help.
Tony
He is the first NZ Prime Minister to so heavily rely on such
protection.
"He is the first NZ Prime Minister to so heavily rely" implies it is his choice
where as it is not in reality.
Also he and his family are still seen out and about without minders, and Helen >Clark had minders from time to time.
Tony
On Thursday, 27 October 2016 21:29:31 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:It has been extensively reported in news media.
On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 22:10:55 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
"geopelia" <geopelia@nowhere.com> wrote:John Key seldom goes anywhere without armed protection squad members.
"Tony" wrote in message news:part1of1.1.#4$1jHHi#G2Fmg@ue.ph...Yes that is right fortunately and long may it be so.
Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.Yes that is correct but Rich believes our right of centre parties are
On 21/10/2016 07:42 PM, Tony wrote:
Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Ditto. Anyway the Democrats are well right of our left parties.
Caught the tail end of the presidential debate. Damn near fell off me >> >>>>> chair when Clinton channelled Rich and quoted: We'll make sure the richI am no supporter of the left and indeed no supporter of any party but >> >>>> you
pay their fair share of taxes.... A Rich truism he's stated here on many
occasions. Though she, like Rich didn't define wealthy though she did >> >>>>> expose her hypocrisy after she dodged paying taxes on $1,000,000 last >> >>>>> year. The comments enough to make Trump look like a better choice for >> >>>>> president after all :)
Pooh
have
to be mad to support Trump.
Tony
[ dryrot.vcf ] (Attachment)
extreme
right, he has used other more flowery but incorrect descriptions. NZ parties
are all pretty close to centrist by world standards.
Tony
Our politicians can safely walk among the public with no worries. The
American President can't, in America.
Whether that is because of the political climate here I have no idea but having
no extremes has to help.
Tony
How would you know? Making shit up again?
Really? Do you have any evidence of that?He is the first NZ Prime Minister to so heavily rely on such
protection.
If that's true, then you can put that down to the bad behaviour of lefty fuckwits.
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:evidence (while asking that of others) Helen Clark had the same
On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 14:34:40 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netYou are full of it as usual Rich.
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 22:10:55 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>dot nz> wrote:You really can't help yourself can you?
"geopelia" <geopelia@nowhere.com> wrote:John Key seldom goes anywhere without armed protection squad members. >>>>He is the first NZ Prime Minister to so heavily rely on such >>>>protection.
"Tony" wrote in message news:part1of1.1.#4$1jHHi#G2Fmg@ue.ph...Yes that is right fortunately and long may it be so.
Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.Yes that is correct but Rich believes our right of centre parties are >>>>>>extreme
On 21/10/2016 07:42 PM, Tony wrote:
Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Ditto. Anyway the Democrats are well right of our left parties.
Caught the tail end of the presidential debate. Damn near fell off me >>>>>>>>> chair when Clinton channelled Rich and quoted: We'll make sure the richI am no supporter of the left and indeed no supporter of any party but >>>>>>>> you
pay their fair share of taxes.... A Rich truism he's stated here on >>>>>>>>>many
occasions. Though she, like Rich didn't define wealthy though she did >>>>>>>>> expose her hypocrisy after she dodged paying taxes on $1,000,000 last >>>>>>>>> year. The comments enough to make Trump look like a better choice for >>>>>>>>> president after all :)
Pooh
have
to be mad to support Trump.
Tony
[ dryrot.vcf ] (Attachment)
right, he has used other more flowery but incorrect descriptions. NZ >>>>>>parties
are all pretty close to centrist by world standards.
Tony
Our politicians can safely walk among the public with no worries. The >>>>>>American President can't, in America.
Whether that is because of the political climate here I have no idea but >>>>>having
no extremes has to help.
Tony
"He is the first NZ Prime Minister to so heavily rely" implies it is his >>>choice
where as it is not in reality.
Also he and his family are still seen out and about without minders, and >>>Helen
Clark had minders from time to time.
Tony
You can't help seeing implications that are not there, can you Tony. I
was responding to the statement that our politicians can safely walk
among the public with no worries - that is demonstrably not true, and
it is regrettable that there has needed to be an escalation of the
amount of protection required. John Key is virtually always
accompanied by protection squad members, previous prime ministers had
not required protection to the same extent. We have been told that the >>increase is in response to credible threats and I have no reason not
to believe that. It is now eight years since John Key became prime >>minister; and a lot has happened in the world since then; we are not
as different from the USA as some may like to think.
Helen Clarke had just as much protection - I defy you to disprove that! Leaving aide your penchant for making statements without supporting
The difference in this and many other regards to the USA is dramatically >profound and it takes only a few brain cells to comprehend that.What is clear is that the statement that "Our politicians can safely
What happens there affects us of course but we are as different as democracy >(NZ) and oligarchy (USA) - do you follow that?
Tony
On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 13:20:43 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>me
wrote:
On Thursday, 27 October 2016 21:29:31 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 22:10:55 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
"geopelia" <geopelia@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Tony" wrote in message news:part1of1.1.#4$1jHHi#G2Fmg@ue.ph...
Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
On 21/10/2016 07:42 PM, Tony wrote:
Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Caught the tail end of the presidential debate. Damn near fell off
richchair when Clinton channelled Rich and quoted: We'll make sure the
manypay their fair share of taxes.... A Rich truism he's stated here on
didoccasions. Though she, like Rich didn't define wealthy though she
lastexpose her hypocrisy after she dodged paying taxes on $1,000,000
foryear. The comments enough to make Trump look like a better choice
butpresident after all :)I am no supporter of the left and indeed no supporter of any party
Pooh
partiesYes that is correct but Rich believes our right of centre parties areyouDitto. Anyway the Democrats are well right of our left parties.
have
to be mad to support Trump.
Tony
[ dryrot.vcf ] (Attachment)
extreme
right, he has used other more flowery but incorrect descriptions. NZ
havingare all pretty close to centrist by world standards.Yes that is right fortunately and long may it be so.
Tony
Our politicians can safely walk among the public with no worries. The
American President can't, in America.
Whether that is because of the political climate here I have no idea but
fuckwits.no extremes has to help.John Key seldom goes anywhere without armed protection squad members.
Tony
How would you know? Making shit up again?It has been extensively reported in news media.
He is the first NZ Prime Minister to so heavily rely on such
protection.
If that's true, then you can put that down to the bad behaviour of lefty
Really? Do you have any evidence of that?
On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 16:52:05 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netme
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 14:34:40 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 22:10:55 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>dot nz> wrote:
"geopelia" <geopelia@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Tony" wrote in message news:part1of1.1.#4$1jHHi#G2Fmg@ue.ph...
Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
On 21/10/2016 07:42 PM, Tony wrote:
Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Caught the tail end of the presidential debate. Damn near fell off
richchair when Clinton channelled Rich and quoted: We'll make sure the
didpay their fair share of taxes.... A Rich truism he's stated here on >>>>>>>>>many
occasions. Though she, like Rich didn't define wealthy though she
lastexpose her hypocrisy after she dodged paying taxes on $1,000,000
foryear. The comments enough to make Trump look like a better choice
butpresident after all :)I am no supporter of the left and indeed no supporter of any party
Pooh
evidence (while asking that of others) Helen Clark had the sameYou are full of it as usual Rich.You really can't help yourself can you?John Key seldom goes anywhere without armed protection squad members. >>>>He is the first NZ Prime Minister to so heavily rely on such >>>>protection.Yes that is right fortunately and long may it be so.Yes that is correct but Rich believes our right of centre parties are >>>>>>extremeyouDitto. Anyway the Democrats are well right of our left parties. >>>>>>>
have
to be mad to support Trump.
Tony
[ dryrot.vcf ] (Attachment)
right, he has used other more flowery but incorrect descriptions. NZ >>>>>>parties
are all pretty close to centrist by world standards.
Tony
Our politicians can safely walk among the public with no worries. The >>>>>>American President can't, in America.
Whether that is because of the political climate here I have no idea but >>>>>having
no extremes has to help.
Tony
"He is the first NZ Prime Minister to so heavily rely" implies it is his >>>choice
where as it is not in reality.
Also he and his family are still seen out and about without minders, and >>>Helen
Clark had minders from time to time.
Tony
You can't help seeing implications that are not there, can you Tony. I >>was responding to the statement that our politicians can safely walk >>among the public with no worries - that is demonstrably not true, and
it is regrettable that there has needed to be an escalation of the
amount of protection required. John Key is virtually always
accompanied by protection squad members, previous prime ministers had
not required protection to the same extent. We have been told that the >>increase is in response to credible threats and I have no reason not
to believe that. It is now eight years since John Key became prime >>minister; and a lot has happened in the world since then; we are not
as different from the USA as some may like to think.
Helen Clarke had just as much protection - I defy you to disprove that! Leaving aide your penchant for making statements without supporting
service as John Key, but it was not needed as much - see for example: http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/74543/police-say-they-are-fully-responsible-for-vip-protection
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomatic_Protection_Service
The difference in this and many other regards to the USA is dramatically >profound and it takes only a few brain cells to comprehend that.What is clear is that the statement that "Our politicians can safely
What happens there affects us of course but we are as different as democracy >(NZ) and oligarchy (USA) - do you follow that?
Tony
walk among the public with no worries. The American President can't,
in America." is either untrue or at least unproven. New Zealand
politicians are not exempt from external threats - John Key has
himself referred to more general threats to New Zealanders from NZ
citizens returning from fighting for ISIS for example . . .
On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 16:52:05 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netresponsible-for-vip-protection
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Leaving aide your penchant for making statements without supporting
On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 14:34:40 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netYou are full of it as usual Rich.
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 22:10:55 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>>dot nz> wrote:You really can't help yourself can you?
"geopelia" <geopelia@nowhere.com> wrote:John Key seldom goes anywhere without armed protection squad members. >>>>>He is the first NZ Prime Minister to so heavily rely on such >>>>>protection.
"Tony" wrote in message news:part1of1.1.#4$1jHHi#G2Fmg@ue.ph...Yes that is right fortunately and long may it be so.
Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.Yes that is correct but Rich believes our right of centre parties >>>>>>>are extreme right, he has used other more flowery but incorrect >>>>>>>descriptions. NZ parties are all pretty close to centrist by world >>>>>>>standards.
On 21/10/2016 07:42 PM, Tony wrote:
Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Ditto. Anyway the Democrats are well right of our left parties. >>>>>>>>
Caught the tail end of the presidential debate. Damn near fell >>>>>>>>>> off me chair when Clinton channelled Rich and quoted: We'll >>>>>>>>>> make sure the rich pay their fair share of taxes.... A Rich >>>>>>>>>> truism he's stated here onI am no supporter of the left and indeed no supporter of any >>>>>>>>> party but you
many
occasions. Though she, like Rich didn't define wealthy though >>>>>>>>>> she did expose her hypocrisy after she dodged paying taxes on >>>>>>>>>> $1,000,000 last year. The comments enough to make Trump look >>>>>>>>>> like a better choice for president after all :)
Pooh
have
to be mad to support Trump.
Tony
[ dryrot.vcf ] (Attachment)
Tony
Our politicians can safely walk among the public with no worries. >>>>>>>The American President can't, in America.
Whether that is because of the political climate here I have no idea >>>>>>but having no extremes has to help.
Tony
"He is the first NZ Prime Minister to so heavily rely" implies it is >>>>his choice where as it is not in reality.
Also he and his family are still seen out and about without minders, >>>>and Helen Clark had minders from time to time.
Tony
You can't help seeing implications that are not there, can you Tony. I >>>was responding to the statement that our politicians can safely walk >>>among the public with no worries - that is demonstrably not true, and
it is regrettable that there has needed to be an escalation of the
amount of protection required. John Key is virtually always accompanied >>>by protection squad members, previous prime ministers had not required >>>protection to the same extent. We have been told that the increase is
in response to credible threats and I have no reason not to believe
that. It is now eight years since John Key became prime minister; and a >>>lot has happened in the world since then; we are not as different from >>>the USA as some may like to think.
Helen Clarke had just as much protection - I defy you to disprove that!
evidence (while asking that of others) Helen Clark had the same service
as John Key, but it was not needed as much - see for example: http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/74543/police-say-they-are-fully-
and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomatic_Protection_Service
The difference in this and many other regards to the USA is dramatically >>profound and it takes only a few brain cells to comprehend that.What is clear is that the statement that "Our politicians can safely
What happens there affects us of course but we are as different as >>democracy (NZ) and oligarchy (USA) - do you follow that?
Tony
walk among the public with no worries. The American President can't,
in America." is either untrue or at least unproven. New Zealand
politicians are not exempt from external threats - John Key has himself referred to more general threats to New Zealanders from NZ citizens
returning from fighting for ISIS for example . . .
On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 16:52:05 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netWhat on earth do you mean by unproven? There is no logic to that!!! Or do you think we have to unprove something that does not exist?Stupid!
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:evidence (while asking that of others) Helen Clark had the same
On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 14:34:40 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netYou are full of it as usual Rich.
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 22:10:55 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>>dot nz> wrote:You really can't help yourself can you?
"geopelia" <geopelia@nowhere.com> wrote:John Key seldom goes anywhere without armed protection squad members. >>>>>He is the first NZ Prime Minister to so heavily rely on such >>>>>protection.
"Tony" wrote in message news:part1of1.1.#4$1jHHi#G2Fmg@ue.ph...Yes that is right fortunately and long may it be so.
Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.Yes that is correct but Rich believes our right of centre parties are >>>>>>>extreme
On 21/10/2016 07:42 PM, Tony wrote:
Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Ditto. Anyway the Democrats are well right of our left parties. >>>>>>>>
Caught the tail end of the presidential debate. Damn near fell off meI am no supporter of the left and indeed no supporter of any party >>>>>>>>>but
chair when Clinton channelled Rich and quoted: We'll make sure the >>>>>>>>>>rich
pay their fair share of taxes.... A Rich truism he's stated here on >>>>>>>>>>many
occasions. Though she, like Rich didn't define wealthy though she did
expose her hypocrisy after she dodged paying taxes on $1,000,000 last
year. The comments enough to make Trump look like a better choice for
president after all :)
Pooh
you
have
to be mad to support Trump.
Tony
[ dryrot.vcf ] (Attachment)
right, he has used other more flowery but incorrect descriptions. NZ >>>>>>>parties
are all pretty close to centrist by world standards.
Tony
Our politicians can safely walk among the public with no worries. The >>>>>>>American President can't, in America.
Whether that is because of the political climate here I have no idea but >>>>>>having
no extremes has to help.
Tony
"He is the first NZ Prime Minister to so heavily rely" implies it is his >>>>choice
where as it is not in reality.
Also he and his family are still seen out and about without minders, and >>>>Helen
Clark had minders from time to time.
Tony
You can't help seeing implications that are not there, can you Tony. I >>>was responding to the statement that our politicians can safely walk >>>among the public with no worries - that is demonstrably not true, and
it is regrettable that there has needed to be an escalation of the
amount of protection required. John Key is virtually always
accompanied by protection squad members, previous prime ministers had
not required protection to the same extent. We have been told that the >>>increase is in response to credible threats and I have no reason not
to believe that. It is now eight years since John Key became prime >>>minister; and a lot has happened in the world since then; we are not
as different from the USA as some may like to think.
Helen Clarke had just as much protection - I defy you to disprove that! >Leaving aide your penchant for making statements without supporting
service as John Key, but it was not needed as much - see for example: >http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/74543/police-say-they-are-fully-responsible-for-vip-protection
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomatic_Protection_Service
The difference in this and many other regards to the USA is dramatically >>profound and it takes only a few brain cells to comprehend that.What is clear is that the statement that "Our politicians can safely
What happens there affects us of course but we are as different as democracy >>(NZ) and oligarchy (USA) - do you follow that?
Tony
walk among the public with no worries. The American President can't,
in America." is either untrue or at least unproven. New Zealand
politicians are not exempt from external threats - John Key hasDangerous and most unfair rhetoric. A natural progression based on a changing world and it in no way at all disproves waht I have said.
himself referred to more general threats to New Zealanders from NZ
citizens returning from fighting for ISIS for example . . .
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Unproven means that the statement has not been proved. What is it that
On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 16:52:05 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netWhat on earth do you mean by unproven? There is no logic to that!!!
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:service as John Key, but it was not needed as much - see for example: >>http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/74543/police-say-they-are-fully-responsible-for-vip-protection
On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 14:34:40 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>dot nz> wrote:You are full of it as usual Rich.
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 22:10:55 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>>>dot nz> wrote:You really can't help yourself can you?
"geopelia" <geopelia@nowhere.com> wrote:John Key seldom goes anywhere without armed protection squad members. >>>>>>He is the first NZ Prime Minister to so heavily rely on such >>>>>>protection.
"Tony" wrote in message news:part1of1.1.#4$1jHHi#G2Fmg@ue.ph... >>>>>>>>Yes that is right fortunately and long may it be so.
Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.Yes that is correct but Rich believes our right of centre parties are >>>>>>>>extreme
On 21/10/2016 07:42 PM, Tony wrote:
Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Ditto. Anyway the Democrats are well right of our left parties. >>>>>>>>>
Caught the tail end of the presidential debate. Damn near fell off meI am no supporter of the left and indeed no supporter of any party >>>>>>>>>>but
chair when Clinton channelled Rich and quoted: We'll make sure the >>>>>>>>>>>rich
pay their fair share of taxes.... A Rich truism he's stated here on >>>>>>>>>>>many
occasions. Though she, like Rich didn't define wealthy though she did
expose her hypocrisy after she dodged paying taxes on $1,000,000 last
year. The comments enough to make Trump look like a better choice for
president after all :)
Pooh
you
have
to be mad to support Trump.
Tony
[ dryrot.vcf ] (Attachment)
right, he has used other more flowery but incorrect descriptions. NZ >>>>>>>>parties
are all pretty close to centrist by world standards.
Tony
Our politicians can safely walk among the public with no worries. The >>>>>>>>American President can't, in America.
Whether that is because of the political climate here I have no idea but >>>>>>>having
no extremes has to help.
Tony
"He is the first NZ Prime Minister to so heavily rely" implies it is his >>>>>choice
where as it is not in reality.
Also he and his family are still seen out and about without minders, and >>>>>Helen
Clark had minders from time to time.
Tony
You can't help seeing implications that are not there, can you Tony. I >>>>was responding to the statement that our politicians can safely walk >>>>among the public with no worries - that is demonstrably not true, and >>>>it is regrettable that there has needed to be an escalation of the >>>>amount of protection required. John Key is virtually always
accompanied by protection squad members, previous prime ministers had >>>>not required protection to the same extent. We have been told that the >>>>increase is in response to credible threats and I have no reason not
to believe that. It is now eight years since John Key became prime >>>>minister; and a lot has happened in the world since then; we are not
as different from the USA as some may like to think.
Helen Clarke had just as much protection - I defy you to disprove that! >>Leaving aide your penchant for making statements without supporting >>evidence (while asking that of others) Helen Clark had the same
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomatic_Protection_Service
The difference in this and many other regards to the USA is dramatically >>>profound and it takes only a few brain cells to comprehend that.What is clear is that the statement that "Our politicians can safely
What happens there affects us of course but we are as different as democracy >>>(NZ) and oligarchy (USA) - do you follow that?
Tony
walk among the public with no worries. The American President can't,
in America." is either untrue or at least unproven. New Zealand
Or do youIt is only your conjecture that is stupid.
think we have to unprove something that does not exist?Stupid!
It is simply true and you either know it and are lying or too daft to >comprehend the truth.You have provided no evidence relating to teh statement - I do nt
Our politicians at all levels walk safely amongst usThen you can provide sonmeevidence of it?
nearly all of the time. There is no more protection for John Key than there has
been for any previous recent PM - Fact, not conjecture.
Why, Tony? All I am doing is quoting the current prime minister. Dopoliticians are not exempt from external threats - John Key has
himself referred to more general threats to New Zealanders from NZ
citizens returning from fighting for ISIS for example . . .
Dangerous and most unfair rhetoric.
A natural progression based on a changingSo there has been no change but now change is a natural progression -
world and it in no way at all disproves waht I have said.
And for you to suggest that "we are not as different from the USA as some may >like to think" indicates a desperate attempt to make an unmakeable point.
All you have posted on this point is childish make believe. I suggest you keep >to politics, at least there we can all have a laugh!
Tony
On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 22:22:59 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netI understand that infinitely better than you do but of course you deliberately miss the point. How can you prove the statement "Our politicians can safely walk among the public with no worries. The American President can't, in America." You can't, therefore you are lying I suspect to cover up your lack of logic. And of course the statement is actually true therefore the "unproven" word is irrelevant.
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Unproven means that the statement has not been proved. What is it that
On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 16:52:05 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netWhat on earth do you mean by unproven? There is no logic to that!!!
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:service as John Key, but it was not needed as much - see for example: >>>http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/74543/police-say-they-are-fully-responsible-for-vip-protection
On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 14:34:40 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>>dot nz> wrote:You are full of it as usual Rich.
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 22:10:55 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>>>>dot nz> wrote:You really can't help yourself can you?
"geopelia" <geopelia@nowhere.com> wrote:John Key seldom goes anywhere without armed protection squad members. >>>>>>>He is the first NZ Prime Minister to so heavily rely on such >>>>>>>protection.
"Tony" wrote in message news:part1of1.1.#4$1jHHi#G2Fmg@ue.ph... >>>>>>>>>Yes that is right fortunately and long may it be so.
Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.Yes that is correct but Rich believes our right of centre parties are >>>>>>>>>extreme
On 21/10/2016 07:42 PM, Tony wrote:
Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Ditto. Anyway the Democrats are well right of our left parties. >>>>>>>>>>
Caught the tail end of the presidential debate. Damn near fell off >>>>>>>>>>>>meI am no supporter of the left and indeed no supporter of any party >>>>>>>>>>>but
chair when Clinton channelled Rich and quoted: We'll make sure the >>>>>>>>>>>>rich
pay their fair share of taxes.... A Rich truism he's stated here >>>>>>>>>>>>on
many
occasions. Though she, like Rich didn't define wealthy though she >>>>>>>>>>>>did
expose her hypocrisy after she dodged paying taxes on $1,000,000 >>>>>>>>>>>>last
year. The comments enough to make Trump look like a better choice >>>>>>>>>>>>for
president after all :)
Pooh
you
have
to be mad to support Trump.
Tony
[ dryrot.vcf ] (Attachment)
right, he has used other more flowery but incorrect descriptions. NZ >>>>>>>>>parties
are all pretty close to centrist by world standards.
Tony
Our politicians can safely walk among the public with no worries. The >>>>>>>>>American President can't, in America.
Whether that is because of the political climate here I have no idea >>>>>>>>but
having
no extremes has to help.
Tony
"He is the first NZ Prime Minister to so heavily rely" implies it is his >>>>>>choice
where as it is not in reality.
Also he and his family are still seen out and about without minders, and >>>>>>Helen
Clark had minders from time to time.
Tony
You can't help seeing implications that are not there, can you Tony. I >>>>>was responding to the statement that our politicians can safely walk >>>>>among the public with no worries - that is demonstrably not true, and >>>>>it is regrettable that there has needed to be an escalation of the >>>>>amount of protection required. John Key is virtually always >>>>>accompanied by protection squad members, previous prime ministers had >>>>>not required protection to the same extent. We have been told that the >>>>>increase is in response to credible threats and I have no reason not >>>>>to believe that. It is now eight years since John Key became prime >>>>>minister; and a lot has happened in the world since then; we are not >>>>>as different from the USA as some may like to think.
Helen Clarke had just as much protection - I defy you to disprove that! >>>Leaving aide your penchant for making statements without supporting >>>evidence (while asking that of others) Helen Clark had the same
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomatic_Protection_Service
The difference in this and many other regards to the USA is dramatically >>>>profound and it takes only a few brain cells to comprehend that.What is clear is that the statement that "Our politicians can safely
What happens there affects us of course but we are as different as >>>>democracy
(NZ) and oligarchy (USA) - do you follow that?
Tony
walk among the public with no worries. The American President can't,
in America." is either untrue or at least unproven. New Zealand
you don't understand about that?
It is true because our PMs do walk amongst the people as you very well know, the POTUS cannot and dare not. The evidence is in your personal experience you buffoon.Or do youIt is only your conjecture that is stupid.
think we have to unprove something that does not exist?Stupid!
It is simply true and you either know it and are lying or too daft to >>comprehend the truth.You have provided no evidence relating to teh statement - I do nt
believe that it is true, but I am not prepared to seek evidence for
every silly statement other posters make.
I note that when depserate, you resort to persona abuse - veryYou are an excellent teacher and the epitome of rudeness here.
childish of you Tony - you are capable of better behaviour.
Irrelevant to the discussion but I am delighted that we are being cautious, especially with the safety of a very well performing government.Our politicians at all levels walk safely amongst usThen you can provide sonmeevidence of it?
nearly all of the time. There is no more protection for John Key than there >>has
been for any previous recent PM - Fact, not conjecture.
It is a fact that spending on DP has increased under our current PM
from the previous government, but you probably don't want to know
that.
OH don't be so naive!politicians are not exempt from external threats - John Key has
himself referred to more general threats to New Zealanders from NZ >>>citizens returning from fighting for ISIS for example . . .
Dangerous and most unfair rhetoric.Why, Tony? All I am doing is quoting the current prime minister. Do
you any evidence he is wrong?
I have not said there has been no change - why do you lie like that?A natural progression based on a changingSo there has been no change but now change is a natural progression -
world and it in no way at all disproves waht I have said.
make up your mind . . .
Rich your life is that of a troll, not just here but I suspect in everything you do.And for you to suggest that "we are not as different from the USA as some may >>like to think" indicates a desperate attempt to make an unmakeable point. >>All you have posted on this point is childish make believe. I suggest you >>keep
to politics, at least there we can all have a laugh!
Tony
So we have intolerance, double standards, chidish abuse, and a total
lack of any supporting evidence for your personal opinions which
appear to be unclear anyway - you fit right in with the classic trolls
of nz.general, Tony.
On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 14:34:40 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 22:10:55 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netYou really can't help yourself can you?
dot nz> wrote:
"geopelia" <geopelia@nowhere.com> wrote:John Key seldom goes anywhere without armed protection squad members.
"Tony" wrote in message news:part1of1.1.#4$1jHHi#G2Fmg@ue.ph...Yes that is right fortunately and long may it be so.
Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.Yes that is correct but Rich believes our right of centre parties are >>>>> extreme
On 21/10/2016 07:42 PM, Tony wrote:
Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Ditto. Anyway the Democrats are well right of our left parties.
Caught the tail end of the presidential debate. Damn near fell off me >>>>>>>> chair when Clinton channelled Rich and quoted: We'll make sure the richI am no supporter of the left and indeed no supporter of any party but >>>>>>> you
pay their fair share of taxes.... A Rich truism he's stated here on many
occasions. Though she, like Rich didn't define wealthy though she did >>>>>>>> expose her hypocrisy after she dodged paying taxes on $1,000,000 last >>>>>>>> year. The comments enough to make Trump look like a better choice for >>>>>>>> president after all :)
Pooh
have
to be mad to support Trump.
Tony
[ dryrot.vcf ] (Attachment)
right, he has used other more flowery but incorrect descriptions. NZ parties
are all pretty close to centrist by world standards.
Tony
Our politicians can safely walk among the public with no worries. The >>>>> American President can't, in America.
Whether that is because of the political climate here I have no idea but >>>> having
no extremes has to help.
Tony
He is the first NZ Prime Minister to so heavily rely on such
protection.
"He is the first NZ Prime Minister to so heavily rely" implies it is his choice
where as it is not in reality.
Also he and his family are still seen out and about without minders, and Helen
Clark had minders from time to time.
Tony
You can't help seeing implications that are not there, can you Tony. I
was responding to the statement that our politicians can safely walk
among the public with no worries - that is demonstrably not true, and
it is regrettable that there has needed to be an escalation of the
amount of protection required. John Key is virtually always
accompanied by protection squad members, previous prime ministers had
not required protection to the same extent. We have been told that the increase is in response to credible threats and I have no reason not
to believe that. It is now eight years since John Key became prime
minister; and a lot has happened in the world since then; we are not
as different from the USA as some may like to think.
On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 13:20:43 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Thursday, 27 October 2016 21:29:31 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:It has been extensively reported in news media.
On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 22:10:55 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
"geopelia" <geopelia@nowhere.com> wrote:John Key seldom goes anywhere without armed protection squad members.
"Tony" wrote in message news:part1of1.1.#4$1jHHi#G2Fmg@ue.ph...Yes that is right fortunately and long may it be so.
Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.Yes that is correct but Rich believes our right of centre parties are >>>>> extreme
On 21/10/2016 07:42 PM, Tony wrote:
Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Ditto. Anyway the Democrats are well right of our left parties.
Caught the tail end of the presidential debate. Damn near fell off me >>>>>>>> chair when Clinton channelled Rich and quoted: We'll make sure the richI am no supporter of the left and indeed no supporter of any party but >>>>>>> you
pay their fair share of taxes.... A Rich truism he's stated here on many
occasions. Though she, like Rich didn't define wealthy though she did >>>>>>>> expose her hypocrisy after she dodged paying taxes on $1,000,000 last >>>>>>>> year. The comments enough to make Trump look like a better choice for >>>>>>>> president after all :)
Pooh
have
to be mad to support Trump.
Tony
[ dryrot.vcf ] (Attachment)
right, he has used other more flowery but incorrect descriptions. NZ parties
are all pretty close to centrist by world standards.
Tony
Our politicians can safely walk among the public with no worries. The >>>>> American President can't, in America.
Whether that is because of the political climate here I have no idea but having
no extremes has to help.
Tony
How would you know? Making shit up again?
Really? Do you have any evidence of that?He is the first NZ Prime Minister to so heavily rely on such
protection.
If that's true, then you can put that down to the bad behaviour of lefty fuckwits.
On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 16:52:05 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Leaving aide your penchant for making statements without supporting
On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 14:34:40 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netYou are full of it as usual Rich.
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 22:10:55 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>> dot nz> wrote:You really can't help yourself can you?
"geopelia" <geopelia@nowhere.com> wrote:John Key seldom goes anywhere without armed protection squad members. >>>>> He is the first NZ Prime Minister to so heavily rely on such
"Tony" wrote in message news:part1of1.1.#4$1jHHi#G2Fmg@ue.ph... >>>>>>>Yes that is right fortunately and long may it be so.
Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.Yes that is correct but Rich believes our right of centre parties are >>>>>>> extreme
On 21/10/2016 07:42 PM, Tony wrote:
Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Ditto. Anyway the Democrats are well right of our left parties. >>>>>>>>
Caught the tail end of the presidential debate. Damn near fell off meI am no supporter of the left and indeed no supporter of any party but
chair when Clinton channelled Rich and quoted: We'll make sure the rich
pay their fair share of taxes.... A Rich truism he's stated here on >>>>>>>>>> many
occasions. Though she, like Rich didn't define wealthy though she did
expose her hypocrisy after she dodged paying taxes on $1,000,000 last
year. The comments enough to make Trump look like a better choice for
president after all :)
Pooh
you
have
to be mad to support Trump.
Tony
[ dryrot.vcf ] (Attachment)
right, he has used other more flowery but incorrect descriptions. NZ >>>>>>> parties
are all pretty close to centrist by world standards.
Tony
Our politicians can safely walk among the public with no worries. The >>>>>>> American President can't, in America.
Whether that is because of the political climate here I have no idea but >>>>>> having
no extremes has to help.
Tony
protection.
"He is the first NZ Prime Minister to so heavily rely" implies it is his >>>> choice
where as it is not in reality.
Also he and his family are still seen out and about without minders, and >>>> Helen
Clark had minders from time to time.
Tony
You can't help seeing implications that are not there, can you Tony. I
was responding to the statement that our politicians can safely walk
among the public with no worries - that is demonstrably not true, and
it is regrettable that there has needed to be an escalation of the
amount of protection required. John Key is virtually always
accompanied by protection squad members, previous prime ministers had
not required protection to the same extent. We have been told that the
increase is in response to credible threats and I have no reason not
to believe that. It is now eight years since John Key became prime
minister; and a lot has happened in the world since then; we are not
as different from the USA as some may like to think.
Helen Clarke had just as much protection - I defy you to disprove that!
evidence (while asking that of others) Helen Clark had the same
service as John Key, but it was not needed as much - see for example: http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/74543/police-say-they-are-fully-responsible-for-vip-protection
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomatic_Protection_Service
The difference in this and many other regards to the USA is dramaticallyWhat is clear is that the statement that "Our politicians can safely
profound and it takes only a few brain cells to comprehend that.
What happens there affects us of course but we are as different as democracy >> (NZ) and oligarchy (USA) - do you follow that?
Tony
walk among the public with no worries. The American President can't,
in America." is either untrue or at least unproven. New Zealand
politicians are not exempt from external threats - John Key has
himself referred to more general threats to New Zealanders from NZ
citizens returning from fighting for ISIS for example . . .
On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 22:22:59 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netme
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 16:52:05 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 14:34:40 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>> dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 22:10:55 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>>>> dot nz> wrote:
"geopelia" <geopelia@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Tony" wrote in message news:part1of1.1.#4$1jHHi#G2Fmg@ue.ph... >>>>>>>>>
Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
On 21/10/2016 07:42 PM, Tony wrote:
Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Caught the tail end of the presidential debate. Damn near fell off
Unproven means that the statement has not been proved. What is it thatWhat on earth do you mean by unproven? There is no logic to that!!!evidence (while asking that of others) Helen Clark had the sameYou are full of it as usual Rich.You really can't help yourself can you?John Key seldom goes anywhere without armed protection squad members. >>>>>>> He is the first NZ Prime Minister to so heavily rely on suchYes that is right fortunately and long may it be so.Yes that is correct but Rich believes our right of centre parties are >>>>>>>>> extremeDitto. Anyway the Democrats are well right of our left parties. >>>>>>>>>>chair when Clinton channelled Rich and quoted: We'll make sure the >>>>>>>>>>>> richI am no supporter of the left and indeed no supporter of any party >>>>>>>>>>> but
pay their fair share of taxes.... A Rich truism he's stated here on
many
occasions. Though she, like Rich didn't define wealthy though she did
expose her hypocrisy after she dodged paying taxes on $1,000,000 last
year. The comments enough to make Trump look like a better choice for
president after all :)
Pooh
you
have
to be mad to support Trump.
Tony
[ dryrot.vcf ] (Attachment)
right, he has used other more flowery but incorrect descriptions. NZ >>>>>>>>> parties
are all pretty close to centrist by world standards.
Tony
Our politicians can safely walk among the public with no worries. The >>>>>>>>> American President can't, in America.
Whether that is because of the political climate here I have no idea but
having
no extremes has to help.
Tony
protection.
"He is the first NZ Prime Minister to so heavily rely" implies it is his >>>>>> choice
where as it is not in reality.
Also he and his family are still seen out and about without minders, and >>>>>> Helen
Clark had minders from time to time.
Tony
You can't help seeing implications that are not there, can you Tony. I >>>>> was responding to the statement that our politicians can safely walk >>>>> among the public with no worries - that is demonstrably not true, and >>>>> it is regrettable that there has needed to be an escalation of the
amount of protection required. John Key is virtually always
accompanied by protection squad members, previous prime ministers had >>>>> not required protection to the same extent. We have been told that the >>>>> increase is in response to credible threats and I have no reason not >>>>> to believe that. It is now eight years since John Key became prime
minister; and a lot has happened in the world since then; we are not >>>>> as different from the USA as some may like to think.
Helen Clarke had just as much protection - I defy you to disprove that! >>> Leaving aide your penchant for making statements without supporting
service as John Key, but it was not needed as much - see for example:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/74543/police-say-they-are-fully-responsible-for-vip-protection
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomatic_Protection_Service
The difference in this and many other regards to the USA is dramatically >>>> profound and it takes only a few brain cells to comprehend that.What is clear is that the statement that "Our politicians can safely
What happens there affects us of course but we are as different as democracy
(NZ) and oligarchy (USA) - do you follow that?
Tony
walk among the public with no worries. The American President can't,
in America." is either untrue or at least unproven. New Zealand
you don't understand about that?
Or do youIt is only your conjecture that is stupid.
think we have to unprove something that does not exist?Stupid!
It is simply true and you either know it and are lying or too daft toYou have provided no evidence relating to teh statement - I do nt
comprehend the truth.
believe that it is true, but I am not prepared to seek evidence for
every silly statement other posters make.
I note that when depserate, you resort to persona abuse - very
childish of you Tony - you are capable of better behaviour.
Our politicians at all levels walk safely amongst usThen you can provide sonmeevidence of it?
nearly all of the time. There is no more protection for John Key than there has
been for any previous recent PM - Fact, not conjecture.
It is a fact that spending on DP has increased under our current PM
from the previous government, but you probably don't want to know
that.
politicians are not exempt from external threats - John Key has
himself referred to more general threats to New Zealanders from NZ
citizens returning from fighting for ISIS for example . . .
Dangerous and most unfair rhetoric.Why, Tony? All I am doing is quoting the current prime minister. Do
you any evidence he is wrong?
A natural progression based on a changingSo there has been no change but now change is a natural progression -
world and it in no way at all disproves waht I have said.
make up your mind . . .
And for you to suggest that "we are not as different from the USA as some may
like to think" indicates a desperate attempt to make an unmakeable point.
All you have posted on this point is childish make believe. I suggest you keep
to politics, at least there we can all have a laugh!
Tony
So we have intolerance, double standards, chidish abuse, and a total
lack of any supporting evidence for your personal opinions which
appear to be unclear anyway - you fit right in with the classic trolls
of nz.general, Tony.
On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 22:10:55 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
"geopelia" <geopelia@nowhere.com> wrote:John Key seldom goes anywhere without armed protection squad members.
"Tony" wrote in message news:part1of1.1.#4$1jHHi#G2Fmg@ue.ph...Yes that is right fortunately and long may it be so.
Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.Yes that is correct but Rich believes our right of centre parties are
On 21/10/2016 07:42 PM, Tony wrote:
Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Ditto. Anyway the Democrats are well right of our left parties.
Caught the tail end of the presidential debate. Damn near fell off me >>>>>> chair when Clinton channelled Rich and quoted: We'll make sure the rich >>>>>> pay their fair share of taxes.... A Rich truism he's stated here on many >>>>>> occasions. Though she, like Rich didn't define wealthy though she did >>>>>> expose her hypocrisy after she dodged paying taxes on $1,000,000 last >>>>>> year. The comments enough to make Trump look like a better choice for >>>>>> president after all :)I am no supporter of the left and indeed no supporter of any party but >>>>> you
Pooh
have
to be mad to support Trump.
Tony
[ dryrot.vcf ] (Attachment)
extreme
right, he has used other more flowery but incorrect descriptions. NZ parties
are all pretty close to centrist by world standards.
Tony
Our politicians can safely walk among the public with no worries. The
American President can't, in America.
Whether that is because of the political climate here I have no idea but having
no extremes has to help.
Tony
He is the first NZ Prime Minister to so heavily rely on such
protection.
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