• Nats want to make all the decisions

    From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Friday, September 02, 2016 11:00:30
    We are used to petty bureaucracy - many organisations are going
    through the trials of the politically correct new health and safety requirements, but we are also seeing an unhealthy trend for central
    government to try to take over what should be local decisions - for
    example this : http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/83817374/last-call-for-iconic-dunedin-soft-drink-retailer-wests

    and this: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11702617

    Its the authoritarian political correctedness of the nasty nats. . . .

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to dot nz on Friday, September 02, 2016 13:41:56
    On Thu, 01 Sep 2016 20:33:47 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
    dot nz> wrote:

    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    We are used to petty bureaucracy - many organisations are going
    through the trials of the politically correct new health and safety >>requirements, but we are also seeing an unhealthy trend for central >>government to try to take over what should be local decisions - for
    example this : >>http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/83817374/last-call-for-iconic-dunedin-soft-drink-retailer-wests

    <snip>

    Its the authoritarian political correctedness of the nasty nats. . . .
    The fairly new sale of liquor act was a real improvement on the previous one >with one or two exceptions. The 85% rule is one that was asked for by many >communities around the country and the lobbying for this was brisk and very >well organised.
    I don't recall such a campaign - do you have any references?

    The main reason was to limit the number of dairies that were
    selling alcohol. The real issue here is with the DLC, ARLA or council because >there must be some doubt about whether most supermarkets could get a licence >based on this interpretation and quite clearly they are getting llicences so >there has to be more to this than has been reported.
    Another pointless political beat up of what is not a politocal issue.
    Tony

    It certainly is a political issue - as is this: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11702617

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  • From Tony @3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Thursday, September 01, 2016 21:06:51
    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 01 Sep 2016 20:33:47 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
    dot nz> wrote:

    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    We are used to petty bureaucracy - many organisations are going
    through the trials of the politically correct new health and safety >>>requirements, but we are also seeing an unhealthy trend for central >>>government to try to take over what should be local decisions - for >>>example this : >>>http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/83817374/last-call-for-iconic-dunedin-soft-drink-retailer-wests

    <snip>

    Its the authoritarian political correctedness of the nasty nats. . . .
    The fairly new sale of liquor act was a real improvement on the previous one >>with one or two exceptions. The 85% rule is one that was asked for by many >>communities around the country and the lobbying for this was brisk and very >>well organised.
    I don't recall such a campaign - do you have any references?
    It was presented to the commission that considered the amendments chaired by Sir Jeffrey Palmer and it was a major part of the submissions made to the commission. If you are interesetd just look it up.

    The main reason was to limit the number of dairies that were
    selling alcohol. The real issue here is with the DLC, ARLA or council because >>there must be some doubt about whether most supermarkets could get a licence >>based on this interpretation and quite clearly they are getting llicences so >>there has to be more to this than has been reported.
    Another pointless political beat up of what is not a politocal issue.
    Tony

    It certainly is a political issue - as is this:
    Nonsense >http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11702617
    I did not make any comment about that so it is nothing to do with what I posted.

    Tony

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  • From Tony @3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Thursday, September 01, 2016 20:33:47
    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    We are used to petty bureaucracy - many organisations are going
    through the trials of the politically correct new health and safety >requirements, but we are also seeing an unhealthy trend for central >government to try to take over what should be local decisions - for
    example this : >http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/83817374/last-call-for-iconic-dunedin-soft-drink-retailer-wests

    <snip>

    Its the authoritarian political correctedness of the nasty nats. . . .
    The fairly new sale of liquor act was a real improvement on the previous one with one or two exceptions. The 85% rule is one that was asked for by many communities around the country and the lobbying for this was brisk and very well organised. The main reason was to limit the number of dairies that were selling alcohol. The real issue here is with the DLC, ARLA or council because there must be some doubt about whether most supermarkets could get a licence based on this interpretation and quite clearly they are getting llicences so there has to be more to this than has been reported.
    Another pointless political beat up of what is not a politocal issue.
    Tony

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to dot nz on Friday, September 02, 2016 15:25:33
    On Thu, 01 Sep 2016 21:06:51 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
    dot nz> wrote:

    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 01 Sep 2016 20:33:47 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
    dot nz> wrote:

    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    We are used to petty bureaucracy - many organisations are going
    through the trials of the politically correct new health and safety >>>>requirements, but we are also seeing an unhealthy trend for central >>>>government to try to take over what should be local decisions - for >>>>example this : >>>>http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/83817374/last-call-for-iconic-dunedin-soft-drink-retailer-wests

    <snip>

    Its the authoritarian political correctedness of the nasty nats. . . . >>>The fairly new sale of liquor act was a real improvement on the previous one >>>with one or two exceptions. The 85% rule is one that was asked for by many >>>communities around the country and the lobbying for this was brisk and very >>>well organised.
    I don't recall such a campaign - do you have any references?
    It was presented to the commission that considered the amendments chaired by >Sir Jeffrey Palmer and it was a major part of the submissions made to the >commission. If you are interesetd just look it up.
    Thanks - I may well look it up - your comment about there being more
    to this than has been reported is likely - and it may not be a beat
    up.


    The main reason was to limit the number of dairies that were
    selling alcohol. The real issue here is with the DLC, ARLA or council because
    there must be some doubt about whether most supermarkets could get a licence >>>based on this interpretation and quite clearly they are getting llicences so >>>there has to be more to this than has been reported.
    Another pointless political beat up of what is not a politocal issue. >>>Tony

    It certainly is a political issue - as is this:
    Nonsense >>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11702617
    I did not make any comment about that so it is nothing to do with what I posted.
    I appreciate that you did not, but I believe that it is a valid issue
    that is also consistent with the subject of the thread.


    Tony

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  • From Gordon@3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Friday, September 02, 2016 05:23:26
    On 2016-09-01, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    Its the authoritarian political correctedness of the nasty nats. . . .

    Patrick is that you?

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