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    From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Friday, September 02, 2016 08:59:27
    http://canadianinvestor.com/2016/07/07/vancouver-housing-market-data-on-foreign-nationals-released/

    Notice that Vancouver can collect data much more quickly than the NZ
    Government - and although there are some queries about the data, they
    don't suffer from the same deliberate deception as the NZ data does.

    See also http://wolfstreet.com/2016/07/26/vancouver-housing-bubble-under-attack-british-colombia-hits-foreign-buyers-with-15-tax/
    http://wolfstreet.com/2016/08/03/vancouver-housing-bubble-bc-15-percent-transfer-tax-foreign-buyers/
    http://canadianinvestor.com/2016/08/29/vancouver-real-estate-bubble-has-burst-and-home-owners-are-panic-selling/
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-29/furious-chinese-envoy-slams-vancouver-real-estate-tax-local-housing-market-implodes


    and why won't he NZ government do anything? http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/08/19/vancouver-home-sales-crash_n_11609766.html

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)
  • From Fred@3:770/3 to All on Friday, September 02, 2016 11:02:52
    This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
    On 02/09/2016 08:59, Rich80105 wrote:
    http://canadianinvestor.com/2016/07/07/vancouver-housing-market-data-on-foreign-nationals-released/

    Notice that Vancouver can collect data much more quickly than the NZ Government - and although there are some queries about the data, they
    don't suffer from the same deliberate deception as the NZ data does.

    See also http://wolfstreet.com/2016/07/26/vancouver-housing-bubble-under-attack-british-colombia-hits-foreign-buyers-with-15-tax/
    http://wolfstreet.com/2016/08/03/vancouver-housing-bubble-bc-15-percent-transfer-tax-foreign-buyers/
    http://canadianinvestor.com/2016/08/29/vancouver-real-estate-bubble-has-burst-and-home-owners-are-panic-selling/
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-29/furious-chinese-envoy-slams-vancouver-real-estate-tax-local-housing-market-implodes


    and why won't he NZ government do anything? http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/08/19/vancouver-home-sales-crash_n_11609766.html


    It doesn't need to. Prices will stabilise all by themselves and go into
    a long period where nominal prices stay steady but in real terms prices
    will fall. Nothing new about that - it's happened time and time again in NZ.

    bnVsbA==

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)
  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to Fred on Friday, September 02, 2016 12:30:32
    On Fri, 2 Sep 2016 11:02:52 +1200, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 02/09/2016 08:59, Rich80105 wrote:
    http://canadianinvestor.com/2016/07/07/vancouver-housing-market-data-on-foreign-nationals-released/

    Notice that Vancouver can collect data much more quickly than the NZ
    Government - and although there are some queries about the data, they
    don't suffer from the same deliberate deception as the NZ data does.

    See also
    http://wolfstreet.com/2016/07/26/vancouver-housing-bubble-under-attack-british-colombia-hits-foreign-buyers-with-15-tax/
    http://wolfstreet.com/2016/08/03/vancouver-housing-bubble-bc-15-percent-transfer-tax-foreign-buyers/
    http://canadianinvestor.com/2016/08/29/vancouver-real-estate-bubble-has-burst-and-home-owners-are-panic-selling/
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-29/furious-chinese-envoy-slams-vancouver-real-estate-tax-local-housing-market-implodes


    and why won't he NZ government do anything?
    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/08/19/vancouver-home-sales-crash_n_11609766.html


    It doesn't need to. Prices will stabilise all by themselves and go into
    a long period where nominal prices stay steady but in real terms prices
    will fall. Nothing new about that - it's happened time and time again in NZ.

    Many agree with you. The issue is complex; looking just at the
    building sector, we are still having remidial work on leaky homes,
    which originated back in the 90's, and that caused a shortage of
    building in Auckland, then the Chch earthquake happened, and a
    workforce already depleted by an exodus for the Queensland floods, is
    still 6 years later working on redoing botched repairs as well as
    building still damaged by the quakes. In recent years we have had a
    huge increase in migration, which has increased housing demand and
    kept wages low, which has helped the high end of the new build market
    for dwellings, but still a shortage of skills. Now the demand in
    Auckland is drifting south, with affordability getting worse
    elsewhere, although in some cases arguably as much to do with low
    relative wages as property price increases.

    This article appears to discount any changes to government policy: http://pundit.co.nz/content/will-housing-prices-crash

    and that all supports a stalling in prices from about a year to 15
    months away - the year being from panic adjustments when National
    figure out they will lose the election from not having done anything
    about affordability. When do you see the boom dying away, Fred?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)
  • From Fred@3:770/3 to All on Friday, September 02, 2016 13:35:04
    This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
    On 02/09/2016 12:30, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 2 Sep 2016 11:02:52 +1200, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 02/09/2016 08:59, Rich80105 wrote:
    http://canadianinvestor.com/2016/07/07/vancouver-housing-market-data-on-foreign-nationals-released/

    Notice that Vancouver can collect data much more quickly than the NZ
    Government - and although there are some queries about the data, they
    don't suffer from the same deliberate deception as the NZ data does.

    See also
    http://wolfstreet.com/2016/07/26/vancouver-housing-bubble-under-attack-british-colombia-hits-foreign-buyers-with-15-tax/
    http://wolfstreet.com/2016/08/03/vancouver-housing-bubble-bc-15-percent-transfer-tax-foreign-buyers/
    http://canadianinvestor.com/2016/08/29/vancouver-real-estate-bubble-has-burst-and-home-owners-are-panic-selling/
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-29/furious-chinese-envoy-slams-vancouver-real-estate-tax-local-housing-market-implodes


    and why won't he NZ government do anything?
    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/08/19/vancouver-home-sales-crash_n_11609766.html


    It doesn't need to. Prices will stabilise all by themselves and go into
    a long period where nominal prices stay steady but in real terms prices
    will fall. Nothing new about that - it's happened time and time again in NZ.

    Many agree with you. The issue is complex; looking just at the
    building sector, we are still having remidial work on leaky homes,
    which originated back in the 90's, and that caused a shortage of
    building in Auckland, then the Chch earthquake happened, and a
    workforce already depleted by an exodus for the Queensland floods, is
    still 6 years later working on redoing botched repairs as well as
    building still damaged by the quakes. In recent years we have had a
    huge increase in migration, which has increased housing demand and
    kept wages low, which has helped the high end of the new build market
    for dwellings, but still a shortage of skills. Now the demand in
    Auckland is drifting south, with affordability getting worse
    elsewhere, although in some cases arguably as much to do with low
    relative wages as property price increases.

    This article appears to discount any changes to government policy: http://pundit.co.nz/content/will-housing-prices-crash

    and that all supports a stalling in prices from about a year to 15
    months away - the year being from panic adjustments when National
    figure out they will lose the election from not having done anything
    about affordability. When do you see the boom dying away, Fred?

    The market goes in fits and starts. I don't have psychic powers or a
    crystal ball, but at an educated guess I'd say very soon.

    bnVsbA==

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)
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