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  • Re: How much money should NZ spend training people for the Olympics?

    From calmoo@redcliffs.school.nz@3:770/3 to Allistar on Sunday, August 28, 2016 20:31:33
    On Monday, August 13, 2012 at 9:40:53 AM UTC+12, Allistar wrote:
    How much money should NZ spend training people for the Olympics?
    Answer: tens of millions of dollars.

    How much of that should come via the tax system?
    Answer: not one single cent.

    Where then should the money come from?
    Answer: Whoever wants to voluntarily pay.


    -- not much because we dont do very well

    A.

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  • From Tony @3:770/3 to calmoo@redcliffs.school.nz on Monday, August 29, 2016 03:49:12
    calmoo@redcliffs.school.nz wrote:
    On Monday, August 13, 2012 at 9:40:53 AM UTC+12, Allistar wrote:
    How much money should NZ spend training people for the Olympics?
    Answer: tens of millions of dollars.

    How much of that should come via the tax system?
    Answer: not one single cent.

    Where then should the money come from?
    Answer: Whoever wants to voluntarily pay.


    -- not much because we dont do very well

    A.
    Not true, per capita we were number one of all teams.
    I am happy for it to come at least partially from my taxes.

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  • From george152@3:770/3 to Tony on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 08:22:38
    On 8/29/2016 8:49 PM, Tony wrote:
    calmoo@redcliffs.school.nz wrote:
    On Monday, August 13, 2012 at 9:40:53 AM UTC+12, Allistar wrote:
    How much money should NZ spend training people for the Olympics?
    Answer: tens of millions of dollars.

    How much of that should come via the tax system?
    Answer: not one single cent.

    Where then should the money come from?
    Answer: Whoever wants to voluntarily pay.


    -- not much because we dont do very well

    A.
    Not true, per capita we were number one of all teams.
    I am happy for it to come at least partially from my taxes.


    I'd hate to know what the doofus would accept as 'doing well'
    We have the population of a large foreign city and our medal tallies are
    in the top 20.
    Our athletes are the best, helping them to succeed is an honour

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  • From Tony @3:770/3 to gblack@hnpl.net on Monday, August 29, 2016 15:49:07
    george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
    On 8/29/2016 8:49 PM, Tony wrote:
    calmoo@redcliffs.school.nz wrote:
    On Monday, August 13, 2012 at 9:40:53 AM UTC+12, Allistar wrote:
    How much money should NZ spend training people for the Olympics?
    Answer: tens of millions of dollars.

    How much of that should come via the tax system?
    Answer: not one single cent.

    Where then should the money come from?
    Answer: Whoever wants to voluntarily pay.


    -- not much because we dont do very well

    A.
    Not true, per capita we were number one of all teams.
    I am happy for it to come at least partially from my taxes.


    I'd hate to know what the doofus would accept as 'doing well'
    We have the population of a large foreign city and our medal tallies are
    in the top 20.
    Our athletes are the best, helping them to succeed is an honour
    Absolutely right!
    Tony

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  • From Allistar@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 09:26:30
    wrote:

    calmoo@redcliffs.school.nz wrote:
    On Monday, August 13, 2012 at 9:40:53 AM UTC+12, Allistar wrote:
    How much money should NZ spend training people for the Olympics?
    Answer: tens of millions of dollars.

    How much of that should come via the tax system?
    Answer: not one single cent.

    Where then should the money come from?
    Answer: Whoever wants to voluntarily pay.


    -- not much because we dont do very well

    A.
    Not true, per capita we were number one of all teams.
    I am happy for it to come at least partially from my taxes.

    You would then equally be happy for it to not come from your taxes but
    instead you make a personal donation? The net result to you is the same.
    --
    "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
    creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

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  • From victor@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 09:55:47
    On 30/08/2016 8:22 a.m., george152 wrote:
    On 8/29/2016 8:49 PM, Tony wrote:
    calmoo@redcliffs.school.nz wrote:
    On Monday, August 13, 2012 at 9:40:53 AM UTC+12, Allistar wrote:
    How much money should NZ spend training people for the Olympics?
    Answer: tens of millions of dollars.

    How much of that should come via the tax system?
    Answer: not one single cent.

    Where then should the money come from?
    Answer: Whoever wants to voluntarily pay.


    -- not much because we dont do very well

    A.
    Not true, per capita we were number one of all teams.
    I am happy for it to come at least partially from my taxes.


    I'd hate to know what the doofus would accept as 'doing well'
    We have the population of a large foreign city and our medal tallies are
    in the top 20.
    Our athletes are the best, helping them to succeed is an honour

    What do we get out of it ?
    We get fucked over By Sky.
    It gets censored online by the IOC an organization every bit as corrupt
    as FIFA.
    I don't see an outbreak of shotputting and polevaulting breaking out.
    We are supposed to have a chance at the Rugby 7s, that was a bit
    embarrassing. The NZRU didn't think it was a priority.
    Our athletes are same as everyone elses.
    Performing seals for a gentlemens club.

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  • From Newsman@3:770/3 to All on Monday, August 29, 2016 22:52:56
    On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 09:26:30 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
    wrote:

    wrote:

    calmoo@redcliffs.school.nz wrote:
    On Monday, August 13, 2012 at 9:40:53 AM UTC+12, Allistar wrote:
    How much money should NZ spend training people for the Olympics?
    Answer: tens of millions of dollars.

    How much of that should come via the tax system?
    Answer: not one single cent.

    Where then should the money come from?
    Answer: Whoever wants to voluntarily pay.


    -- not much because we dont do very well

    A.
    Not true, per capita we were number one of all teams.
    I am happy for it to come at least partially from my taxes.

    You would then equally be happy for it to not come from your taxes but >instead you make a personal donation? The net result to you is the same.

    1936 was the year the Olympic Games became for all time a global
    political affair. Ever since then, governments have pushed and
    postured in the name of their great unwashed, exploiting their
    unsuspecting bread-and-circuses dupes by appropriating their taxes to
    fund the physical jerkings and gyrations of obscure amateur performers
    solely in a lame quest for their nation to be noticed "on the world
    stage."

    Rabid sports fans, of which New Zealand boasts an unwholsomely
    over-large number, have yet to wake from their self-deluding fantasy
    that the rest of the world gives so much as a single pinch of goatshit
    about New Zealand's medal count.

    T'will be ever thus, and you can bet on it. However, as another
    poster in this thread has rightly observed, there are historical
    precedents for New Zealand's and every other nations' governments to
    squander your money simply to be noticed.

    Nothing whatever to do with the ethics of worthy sporting endeavour;
    everything to do with the malignant cancer that is the
    corporate-political axis, Coca-Cola, Sky, state-sponsored doping and
    all.

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  • From Liberty@3:770/3 to Newsman on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 11:36:18
    On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 22:52:56 GMT, slaybot@hotmail.com (Newsman) wrote:



    1936 was the year the Olympic Games became for all time a global
    political affair. Ever since then, governments have pushed and
    postured in the name of their great unwashed, exploiting their
    unsuspecting bread-and-circuses dupes by appropriating their taxes to
    fund the physical jerkings and gyrations of obscure amateur performers
    solely in a lame quest for their nation to be noticed "on the world
    stage."

    Rabid sports fans, of which New Zealand boasts an unwholsomely
    over-large number, have yet to wake from their self-deluding fantasy
    that the rest of the world gives so much as a single pinch of goatshit
    about New Zealand's medal count.

    T'will be ever thus, and you can bet on it. However, as another
    poster in this thread has rightly observed, there are historical
    precedents for New Zealand's and every other nations' governments to
    squander your money simply to be noticed.

    Nothing whatever to do with the ethics of worthy sporting endeavour; >everything to do with the malignant cancer that is the
    corporate-political axis, Coca-Cola, Sky, state-sponsored doping and
    all.
    In other words the state shouldn't spend a penny.

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  • From Tony @3:770/3 to Allistar on Monday, August 29, 2016 21:20:07
    Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> wrote:
    wrote:

    Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> wrote:
    wrote:

    calmoo@redcliffs.school.nz wrote:
    On Monday, August 13, 2012 at 9:40:53 AM UTC+12, Allistar wrote:
    How much money should NZ spend training people for the Olympics?
    Answer: tens of millions of dollars.

    How much of that should come via the tax system?
    Answer: not one single cent.

    Where then should the money come from?
    Answer: Whoever wants to voluntarily pay.


    -- not much because we dont do very well

    A.
    Not true, per capita we were number one of all teams.
    I am happy for it to come at least partially from my taxes.

    You would then equally be happy for it to not come from your taxes but >>>instead you make a personal donation? The net result to you is the same.

    Yes I don't mind either way.
    Tony

    Great. Saying you're happy with the money coming from your taxes makes it >sound like you want other people's money taken off them for the same thing. >--
    "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." >creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.
    It could also mean exactly what I wrote - in other words I have no objection to my taxes being used that way.
    Those that believe the Olympics is in some way overdone and corporatised may be partially right but they miss one very important point. The olympics are something that athletes aspire to and quite rightly - there is nothing wrong with aiming to be the best at something honourable. Sour grapes from those that cannot compete at that level is is common but deplorable.
    Tony

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  • From Allistar@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 13:52:06
    wrote:

    Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> wrote:
    wrote:

    calmoo@redcliffs.school.nz wrote:
    On Monday, August 13, 2012 at 9:40:53 AM UTC+12, Allistar wrote:
    How much money should NZ spend training people for the Olympics?
    Answer: tens of millions of dollars.

    How much of that should come via the tax system?
    Answer: not one single cent.

    Where then should the money come from?
    Answer: Whoever wants to voluntarily pay.


    -- not much because we dont do very well

    A.
    Not true, per capita we were number one of all teams.
    I am happy for it to come at least partially from my taxes.

    You would then equally be happy for it to not come from your taxes but >>instead you make a personal donation? The net result to you is the same.

    Yes I don't mind either way.
    Tony

    Great. Saying you're happy with the money coming from your taxes makes it
    sound like you want other people's money taken off them for the same thing.
    --
    "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
    creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)
  • From Tony @3:770/3 to Allistar on Monday, August 29, 2016 20:44:18
    Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> wrote:
    wrote:

    calmoo@redcliffs.school.nz wrote:
    On Monday, August 13, 2012 at 9:40:53 AM UTC+12, Allistar wrote:
    How much money should NZ spend training people for the Olympics?
    Answer: tens of millions of dollars.

    How much of that should come via the tax system?
    Answer: not one single cent.

    Where then should the money come from?
    Answer: Whoever wants to voluntarily pay.


    -- not much because we dont do very well

    A.
    Not true, per capita we were number one of all teams.
    I am happy for it to come at least partially from my taxes.

    You would then equally be happy for it to not come from your taxes but >instead you make a personal donation? The net result to you is the same.
    --
    "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." >creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.
    Yes I don't mind either way.
    Tony

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  • From Allistar@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 16:10:31
    wrote:

    Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> wrote:
    wrote:

    Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> wrote:
    wrote:

    calmoo@redcliffs.school.nz wrote:
    On Monday, August 13, 2012 at 9:40:53 AM UTC+12, Allistar wrote:
    How much money should NZ spend training people for the Olympics? >>>>>>> Answer: tens of millions of dollars.

    How much of that should come via the tax system?
    Answer: not one single cent.

    Where then should the money come from?
    Answer: Whoever wants to voluntarily pay.


    -- not much because we dont do very well

    A.
    Not true, per capita we were number one of all teams.
    I am happy for it to come at least partially from my taxes.

    You would then equally be happy for it to not come from your taxes but >>>>instead you make a personal donation? The net result to you is the same.

    Yes I don't mind either way.
    Tony

    Great. Saying you're happy with the money coming from your taxes makes it >>sound like you want other people's money taken off them for the same
    thing. --

    It could also mean exactly what I wrote - in other words I have no
    objection to my taxes being used that way.

    Those that believe the Olympics is in some way overdone and corporatised
    may be partially right but they miss one very important point. The
    olympics are something that athletes aspire to and quite rightly - there
    is nothing wrong with aiming to be the best at something honourable. Sour grapes from those that cannot compete at that level is is common but deplorable. Tony

    I agree. Though it's one thing to aspire to a lofty goal and quite a
    different thing to expect other people to fund you reaching it.

    A better system would be for those that support the dreams of these people
    to help fund them using voluntary donations. The state should not take money from hard working New Zealanders to pay for such things.

    There should be an Olympics Give-a-little page run by a not for profit organisation.
    --
    "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
    creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

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  • From victor@3:770/3 to Tony on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 16:57:05
    On 30/08/2016 1:44 p.m., Tony wrote:
    Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> wrote:
    wrote:

    calmoo@redcliffs.school.nz wrote:
    On Monday, August 13, 2012 at 9:40:53 AM UTC+12, Allistar wrote:
    How much money should NZ spend training people for the Olympics?
    Answer: tens of millions of dollars.

    How much of that should come via the tax system?
    Answer: not one single cent.

    Where then should the money come from?
    Answer: Whoever wants to voluntarily pay.


    -- not much because we dont do very well

    A.
    Not true, per capita we were number one of all teams.

    Medal for MSU

    http://www.medalspercapita.com/#medals-per-capita:2016


    I am happy for it to come at least partially from my taxes.

    You would then equally be happy for it to not come from your taxes but
    instead you make a personal donation? The net result to you is the same.
    --
    "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
    creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.
    Yes I don't mind either way.
    Tony


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  • From Tony @3:770/3 to victor on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 01:51:18
    victor <user1@example.net> wrote:
    On 30/08/2016 1:44 p.m., Tony wrote:
    Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> wrote:
    wrote:

    calmoo@redcliffs.school.nz wrote:
    On Monday, August 13, 2012 at 9:40:53 AM UTC+12, Allistar wrote:
    How much money should NZ spend training people for the Olympics?
    Answer: tens of millions of dollars.

    How much of that should come via the tax system?
    Answer: not one single cent.

    Where then should the money come from?
    Answer: Whoever wants to voluntarily pay.


    -- not much because we dont do very well

    A.
    Not true, per capita we were number one of all teams.

    Medal for MSU

    http://www.medalspercapita.com/#medals-per-capita:2016


    I am happy for it to come at least partially from my taxes.

    You would then equally be happy for it to not come from your taxes but
    instead you make a personal donation? The net result to you is the same. >>> --
    "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
    creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs. >> Yes I don't mind either way.
    Tony

    I have no idea what it has to do with the Michigan State University but I foolishly believed what that notoriously deceptive TV3 pseudo news programme reported.
    So we were 4th per capita, 1 and 2 are a fluke - 3 is notable but we did superbly - how can that be denied?
    A charitable person would congratullate our hard working and committed athletes.
    Tony

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