On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 11:37:48 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Monday, 15 February 2016 08:06:30 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 07:53:23 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

On 2/14/2016 6:43 PM, victor wrote:

On 14/02/2016 6:12 p.m., Tony wrote:

So they TPP protesters attende a parade today and didn't let the PM
speak.
They don't deserve a vote!
Tony

It has been noted that the media and Nat MPs are now referring to the
National led government instead of the Key led government.
Keys polling is on the slide and it won't go up again.

Riiiight
Be funny if you actually got something right

Laugh all you want, but it seems there is a reason why Key only made 7
speeches last year, with two open to the public, and the others all of
the $90 a head fund-raising type.

Another Dickbot lie is just so easily debunked: >https://www.beehive.govt.nz/minister/john-key/speech

It was reported as being 7 only a few days ago - but I accept that
there were 14 - and I should have been clearer that I was meaning
speeches to New Zealanders outside parliament - on that basis there
were 9. It does seem that publicity about his speeches have caused his
staff to find a few more - at the time of the original publicity only
the speeches at Pukeahu Memorial Park had been open to the public (and
while I counted those, they are hardly discussing policy initiatives
of government, are they?

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JohnO wrote:

On Monday, 15 February 2016 08:04:47 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 07:52:14 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

On 2/14/2016 6:12 PM, Tony wrote:

So they TPP protesters attende a parade today and didn't let the PM
speak. They don't deserve a vote!
Tony

And it was the big gay day..
Maybe there's something there

Well it does seem that the TPPA was a significant factor in the crowds
disapproval of John Key,, Nikkie Kaye and Maggie Barry.
https://youtu.be/BjN7OYZi7jk

Removing votes for political opinions and not being polite does seem a
little harsh and intolerant.

The anti TPPA rabble (unions and Mana primarily) are really pissing other people off with this constant hijacking of other groups (TPPA has nothing
to do with LGBT). Just wait and see how this backfires on them.

I've never understood why the acronym "LGBT" has an "L" in it. The "G"
includes the "L", it seems odd to have it separately.
--
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

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"Rich80105" <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3180cbl37mfiuo4isrvbks81j15bkv4lum@4ax.com...

On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 18:43:57 +1300, victor <user1@example.net> wrote:

On 14/02/2016 6:12 p.m., Tony wrote:

So they TPP protesters attende a parade today and didn't let the PM
speak.
They don't deserve a vote!
Tony

It has been noted that the media and Nat MPs are now referring to the >>National led government instead of the Key led government.
Keys polling is on the slide and it won't go up again.

It is hard to tell what the protestors were protesting at - it may
well have been the colour of his shirt. See: https://twitter.com/annaloren/status/698711715844792320
and other videos there

Anna Loren referred to TPPA, but the banners in the pic she posted
were not TPP related.

Another video here - much the same perspective; no mention of TPP

At least Labour had the good sense to make sure they stayed clear. Maybe
thjey hoped it'd get them some votes if they didn't politicize something Key was invited to and according to many ruined by the loopy left Rich.

Pooh

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"victor" <user1@example.net> wrote in message news:n9pfho$1b20$1@gioia.aioe.org...

On 14/02/2016 7:49 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:

On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 18:43:57 +1300, victor <user1@example.net> wrote:

On 14/02/2016 6:12 p.m., Tony wrote:

So they TPP protesters attende a parade today and didn't let the PM
speak.
They don't deserve a vote!
Tony

It has been noted that the media and Nat MPs are now referring to the
National led government instead of the Key led government.
Keys polling is on the slide and it won't go up again.

It is hard to tell what the protestors were protesting at - it may
well have been the colour of his shirt. See:
https://twitter.com/annaloren/status/698711715844792320
and other videos there

Anna Loren referred to TPPA, but the banners in the pic she posted
were not TPP related.

Another video here - much the same perspective; no mention of TPP

Minorities don't like insincerity

Which is why we hear Labour/Green/Mana/WinstoneFirst grizzling so much about things that world leaders see as a bloody good deal for New Zealand.

Pooh

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"victor" <user1@example.net> wrote in message news:n9qp4h$1ef9$1@gioia.aioe.org...

On 15/02/2016 9:06 a.m., Tony wrote:

victor <user1@example.net> wrote:

On 15/02/2016 8:39 a.m., Tony wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 18:43:57 +1300, victor <user1@example.net> wrote: >>>>>

On 14/02/2016 6:12 p.m., Tony wrote:

So they TPP protesters attende a parade today and didn't let the PM >>>>>>> speak.
They don't deserve a vote!
Tony

It has been noted that the media and Nat MPs are now referring to the >>>>>> National led government instead of the Key led government.
Keys polling is on the slide and it won't go up again.

It is hard to tell what the protestors were protesting at - it may
well have been the colour of his shirt. See:
https://twitter.com/annaloren/status/698711715844792320
and other videos there

Anna Loren referred to TPPA, but the banners in the pic she posted
were not TPP related.

Another video here - much the same perspective; no mention of TPP

So The Herald and Stuff got it wrong then?

Yeah.
People were booing for various different reasons.
They will do that when a straight guy turns up in a pink shirt, its like >>> he is mocking them.
There is plenty of video

And there were TPP protesters there booing and preventing someone
communicating
(stupidity) as I said and as The Herald, Stuff and Prime News reported.
Let's
keep to the point shall we?
Tony

He got booed offstage by the crowd not "TPP protesters".
I know its policy to demonize particular factions and you are saying what
you have been told to say, but its a fact, and you can see it in the video that they just saw the guy the only in the patronizing stereotyping pink shirt as a wanker.

Not according to many who were there victor. Did you go?

Pooh

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"JohnO" <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote in message news:a9444575-082c-4c28-a04b-6356d3119e19@googlegroups.com...

On Monday, 15 February 2016 09:47:17 UTC+13, victor wrote:

On 15/02/2016 9:06 a.m., Tony wrote:

victor <user1@example.net> wrote:

On 15/02/2016 8:39 a.m., Tony wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 18:43:57 +1300, victor <user1@example.net>
wrote:

On 14/02/2016 6:12 p.m., Tony wrote:

So they TPP protesters attende a parade today and didn't let the
PM speak.
They don't deserve a vote!
Tony

It has been noted that the media and Nat MPs are now referring to
the
National led government instead of the Key led government.
Keys polling is on the slide and it won't go up again.

It is hard to tell what the protestors were protesting at - it may
well have been the colour of his shirt. See:
https://twitter.com/annaloren/status/698711715844792320
and other videos there

Anna Loren referred to TPPA, but the banners in the pic she posted
were not TPP related.

Another video here - much the same perspective; no mention of TPP

So The Herald and Stuff got it wrong then?

Yeah.
People were booing for various different reasons.
They will do that when a straight guy turns up in a pink shirt, its
like
he is mocking them.
There is plenty of video

And there were TPP protesters there booing and preventing someone
communicating
(stupidity) as I said and as The Herald, Stuff and Prime News reported.
Let's
keep to the point shall we?
Tony

He got booed offstage by the crowd not "TPP protesters".

According to this report it was a loud but small group of about 30 who
booed him off. There were thousands of people there that didn't, and I suspect they thought the anti mob there were just wankers.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11589495

I know its policy to demonize particular factions and you are saying
what you have been told to say, but its a fact, and you can see it in
the video that they just saw the guy the only in the patronizing
stereotyping pink shirt as a wanker.

30 of them. Just a rabble of anti government unionists and mana party
wankers who have zero affiliation with the LGBT cause. They gatecrashed
the event and everyone can see them for what they are: wankers.

You forgot those wearing Green party badges JohnO.

Pooh

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"JohnO" <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote in message news:ace85bd8-9af6-4287-85d8-a1fd7c2f1696@googlegroups.com...

On Monday, 15 February 2016 10:52:55 UTC+13, victor wrote:

On 15/02/2016 10:07 a.m., JohnO wrote:

On Monday, 15 February 2016 09:47:17 UTC+13, victor wrote:

On 15/02/2016 9:06 a.m., Tony wrote:

victor <user1@example.net> wrote:

On 15/02/2016 8:39 a.m., Tony wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 18:43:57 +1300, victor
<user1@example.net> wrote:

On 14/02/2016 6:12 p.m., Tony wrote:

So they TPP protesters attende a parade today and
didn't let the PM speak. They don't deserve a vote!
Tony

It has been noted that the media and Nat MPs are now
referring to the National led government instead of the
Key led government. Keys polling is on the slide and it
won't go up again.

It is hard to tell what the protestors were protesting at -
it may well have been the colour of his shirt. See:
https://twitter.com/annaloren/status/698711715844792320 and
other videos there

Anna Loren referred to TPPA, but the banners in the pic she
posted were not TPP related.

Another video here - much the same perspective; no mention
of TPP

So The Herald and Stuff got it wrong then?

Yeah. People were booing for various different reasons. They
will do that when a straight guy turns up in a pink shirt, its
like he is mocking them. There is plenty of video

And there were TPP protesters there booing and preventing someone
communicating (stupidity) as I said and as The Herald, Stuff and
Prime News reported. Let's keep to the point shall we? Tony

He got booed offstage by the crowd not "TPP protesters".

According to this report it was a loud but small group of about 30
who booed him off. There were thousands of people there that didn't,
and I suspect they thought the anti mob there were just wankers.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11589495

I know its policy to demonize particular factions and you are
saying what you have been told to say, but its a fact, and you can
see it in the video that they just saw the guy the only in the
patronizing stereotyping pink shirt as a wanker.

30 of them. Just a rabble of anti government unionists and mana party
wankers who have zero affiliation with the LGBT cause. They
gatecrashed the event and everyone can see them for what they are:
wankers.

Key and his entourage of wankers certainly have zero affiliation with
LGBT causes.

Bullshit. They're the govermnent so they have affiliation to all causes.
If they weren't there you'd bitch about that instead, such is your bitter
and obsessive hate.

The audience is well aware how Nationals MPs voted on Marriage Equality.

Yep, and tell us, how did Key and Kaye vote again?

I'd say that community has a pretty big stake in accessibility to
generic medicines and the influence of Big Pharma on drug patents in the
TPPA

Yep, and how is accessibility to generic medicine changed under TPPA
again?

The independant (chortle) victor once again airs his ignorance once again
much like his hero Rich.

Pooh

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"Rich80105" <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:t043cbtb6gt0iqouo704hfhnds6p1qhqi7@4ax.com...

On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 13:07:41 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Monday, 15 February 2016 09:47:17 UTC+13, victor wrote:

On 15/02/2016 9:06 a.m., Tony wrote:

victor <user1@example.net> wrote:

On 15/02/2016 8:39 a.m., Tony wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 18:43:57 +1300, victor <user1@example.net>
wrote:

On 14/02/2016 6:12 p.m., Tony wrote:

So they TPP protesters attende a parade today and didn't let the
PM speak.
They don't deserve a vote!
Tony

It has been noted that the media and Nat MPs are now referring to
the
National led government instead of the Key led government.
Keys polling is on the slide and it won't go up again.

It is hard to tell what the protestors were protesting at - it may
well have been the colour of his shirt. See:
https://twitter.com/annaloren/status/698711715844792320
and other videos there

Anna Loren referred to TPPA, but the banners in the pic she posted
were not TPP related.

Another video here - much the same perspective; no mention of TPP

So The Herald and Stuff got it wrong then?

Yeah.
People were booing for various different reasons.
They will do that when a straight guy turns up in a pink shirt, its
like
he is mocking them.
There is plenty of video

And there were TPP protesters there booing and preventing someone
communicating
(stupidity) as I said and as The Herald, Stuff and Prime News
reported. Let's
keep to the point shall we?
Tony

He got booed offstage by the crowd not "TPP protesters".

According to this report it was a loud but small group of about 30 who >>booed him off. There were thousands of people there that didn't, and I >>suspect they thought the anti mob there were just wankers.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11589495

I know its policy to demonize particular factions and you are saying
what you have been told to say, but its a fact, and you can see it in
the video that they just saw the guy the only in the patronizing
stereotyping pink shirt as a wanker.

30 of them. Just a rabble of anti government unionists and mana party >>wankers who have zero affiliation with the LGBT cause. They gatecrashed
the event and everyone can see them for what they are: wankers.

There were far more than 30 protestors visible in the videos. Thre was
even a person in a National Party shirt looking most uncomfortable,
but it ws difficult to tell whether he was protesting or just a
staffer for the Nats.

Dream on RichTroll.

Pooh

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"Rich80105" <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:0a43cb5f70q54d9qknrmap193v3v958518@4ax.com...

On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 16:16:09 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:

victor <user1@example.net> wrote:

On 15/02/2016 9:06 a.m., Tony wrote:

victor <user1@example.net> wrote:

On 15/02/2016 8:39 a.m., Tony wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 18:43:57 +1300, victor <user1@example.net>
wrote:

On 14/02/2016 6:12 p.m., Tony wrote:

So they TPP protesters attende a parade today and didn't let the >>>>>>>>> PM
speak.
They don't deserve a vote!
Tony

It has been noted that the media and Nat MPs are now referring to >>>>>>>> the
National led government instead of the Key led government.
Keys polling is on the slide and it won't go up again.

It is hard to tell what the protestors were protesting at - it may >>>>>>> well have been the colour of his shirt. See:
https://twitter.com/annaloren/status/698711715844792320
and other videos there

Anna Loren referred to TPPA, but the banners in the pic she posted >>>>>>> were not TPP related.

Another video here - much the same perspective; no mention of TPP >>>>>>

So The Herald and Stuff got it wrong then?

Yeah.
People were booing for various different reasons.
They will do that when a straight guy turns up in a pink shirt, its
like
he is mocking them.
There is plenty of video

And there were TPP protesters there booing and preventing someone >>>>communicating
(stupidity) as I said and as The Herald, Stuff and Prime News reported. >>>> Let's
keep to the point shall we?
Tony

He got booed offstage by the crowd not "TPP protesters".
I know its policy to demonize particular factions and you are saying
what you have been told to say, but its a fact, and you can see it in
the video that they just saw the guy the only in the patronizing >>>stereotyping pink shirt as a wanker.

By a crowd that had TPP protesters in it, and who were booing!

Yes the crowd were booing, and there was at least one anti-TPPA banner
there - but no evidence that most were protesting about the TPPA

I have no interest in any policy and you make the repeated idiotic mistake >>of
assuming you know what I believe, wrong again for goodness knows how many >>times.

I don't think you have to have any interest in policy to understand
that no single policy would have motivated all those that boo-ed the speakers.

Which part of 'anti TPPA slogans' did you have trouble understanding Rich?

No one tells me what to say and unlike you I do not have blind and >>unthinking
allegiance to any political party.

Agreed - and no-one can tell the protestors what they were booing
either

Why would they want to tell the protestors anything but fuck off and read
the TPPA agreement instead of repeating lies like you do Rich?

I don't give a fat rat's bum which party is in power provided they are at >>least
competent and ideally the best option; the present government are far from >>perfect but the alternative would be a tragedy for this country. Labour
are
rubbish unfortunately but there was a time they were very good. I thought >>Helen
Clark was a fine Prime Minister and I supported her for several years. >>Unlike
you and Rich I am not blind to the incompetence of the current Labour >>party.
Rich lies and when that doesn't work he lies again and when that doesn't >>work
he scurries away and starts another set of lies. Maybe he thinks that is >>effective but he would be better trying to help Labour actually do >>something
right!
I bow to your superior knowledge compared to two print journalists and >>three
television journalists at least two of whom are left leaning - they really >>should get new jobs!
I care about this country, I don't care about any political party at all - >>can
you say the same, particularly with the caring about New Zealand bit?
Tony

Caring about the country has been a focus of many many people - even
when shallow politicians accuse others of not caring!

Right for once Rich. However it's bloody obvious by their preformance since 2008 that doesn't include the current parliamentary opposition or you and victor Rich.

Pooh

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"Rich80105" <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:8c23cbhi1fbs7c0i3p9mk8phtj1b3vg9fn@4ax.com...

On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 13:39:49 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 18:43:57 +1300, victor <user1@example.net> wrote:

On 14/02/2016 6:12 p.m., Tony wrote:

So they TPP protesters attende a parade today and didn't let the PM
speak.
They don't deserve a vote!
Tony

It has been noted that the media and Nat MPs are now referring to the >>>>National led government instead of the Key led government.
Keys polling is on the slide and it won't go up again.

It is hard to tell what the protestors were protesting at - it may
well have been the colour of his shirt. See: >>>https://twitter.com/annaloren/status/698711715844792320
and other videos there

Anna Loren referred to TPPA, but the banners in the pic she posted
were not TPP related.

Another video here - much the same perspective; no mention of TPP

So The Herald and Stuff got it wrong then? >>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11589572
and >>http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/76869025/john-key-cheered-and-booed-as-tppa-protests-disrupt-aucklands-big-gay-out
Don't give up your day job Rich, you will never make a researcher.
Tony

Already covered in a post that acknowledged many of those protesting
were objecting to TPPA - just because a reporter puts TPPA in a
headline is not proof

Would do you good to take this advice on board Rich. You do exactly that on
a regular basis like the pathetic widdle troll you are:)

Pooh

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"victor" <user1@example.net> wrote in message news:n9p470$ufb$1@gioia.aioe.org...

On 14/02/2016 6:12 p.m., Tony wrote:

So they TPP protesters attende a parade today and didn't let the PM
speak.
They don't deserve a vote!
Tony

It has been noted that the media and Nat MPs are now referring to the National led government instead of the Key led government.
Keys polling is on the slide and it won't go up again.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/76837125/can-john-key-pull-off-a-fourth-term-here-are-the-reasons-why-he-might
Yet he could very well pull off another term as PM victor :)

Pooh

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"JohnO" <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote in message news:9b4b6e33-b0a2-4cbe-a6bb-0ddeebd82a30@googlegroups.com...
On Sunday, 14 February 2016 22:10:10 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 20:53:02 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 14/02/2016 6:43 p.m., victor wrote:

On 14/02/2016 6:12 p.m., Tony wrote:

So they TPP protesters attende a parade today and didn't let the PM
speak.
They don't deserve a vote!
Tony

It has been noted that the media and Nat MPs are now referring to the
National led government instead of the Key led government.
Keys polling is on the slide and it won't go up again.

Fascinating. Noted by who? And what has it slidden to? And when has any >coalition govt been referred to by its leader's name as opposed to the >party's name?

Just go back through references to John Key - they are apparently easy
to find: http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/296489/media-biased-towards-key-in-2014-researcher

Nowhere in that article is any mention of "Nat MPs are now referring to the National led government instead of the Key led government". Or anything even close. You posted that link knowing this - you are such a transparent,
blatant, recidivist and shameless liar, Dickbot.

Yet another hopeless, hopeless Dickbot fail.

Many journalists have referred to the Key Government, or the Key-led Government. The National-led government is also often used -
especially when talking ab out the need to convince a "support party"
to get legislation through, but I suspect Nat MPs would prefer the
National Government - but i havent checked specific MP speeches - I
suggest you start with Judith Collins'.

Why the fuck would *we* start with anything? *We* are not here to find
evidence to support statements mare by dishonest lefties.

For poll results, just use google - you want more detail than just top
of mind party support - Key's personal rating has been falling for
some time, but its mostly the Nats that base everything on polls . . .

Polls like the last three elections? They've been going in one direction
only.

****************************************************************
Hell little Andy would be wrapped if he could get half the support Key has. Probably even be happy with 25% :)

btw has Andy Little equaled the polling he was getting when the unions
foisted him on parliament?

Pooh

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"george152" <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote in message news:UMSdnY2DFMq5UF3LnZ2dnUU7-b_OydjZ@giganews.com...

On 2/14/2016 6:43 PM, victor wrote:

On 14/02/2016 6:12 p.m., Tony wrote:

So they TPP protesters attende a parade today and didn't let the PM
speak.
They don't deserve a vote!
Tony

It has been noted that the media and Nat MPs are now referring to the
National led government instead of the Key led government.
Keys polling is on the slide and it won't go up again.

Riiiight
Be funny if you actually got something right

Getting things right goes against Richies politics George :)

Pooh

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"JohnO" <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote in message news:b1bbd641-3ee2-480b-852d-e42747c81a03@googlegroups.com...

On Monday, 15 February 2016 08:06:30 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 07:53:23 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

On 2/14/2016 6:43 PM, victor wrote:

On 14/02/2016 6:12 p.m., Tony wrote:

So they TPP protesters attende a parade today and didn't let the PM
speak.
They don't deserve a vote!
Tony

It has been noted that the media and Nat MPs are now referring to the
National led government instead of the Key led government.
Keys polling is on the slide and it won't go up again.

Riiiight
Be funny if you actually got something right

Laugh all you want, but it seems there is a reason why Key only made 7
speeches last year, with two open to the public, and the others all of
the $90 a head fund-raising type.

Another Dickbot lie is just so easily debunked: https://www.beehive.govt.nz/minister/john-key/speech

Arn't they all? :)

Pooh

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"george152" <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote in message news:V8udnXT8bIAERF3LnZ2dnUU7-SWdnZ2d@giganews.com...

On 2/15/2016 8:37 AM, JohnO wrote:

On Monday, 15 February 2016 08:06:30 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 07:53:23 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

On 2/14/2016 6:43 PM, victor wrote:

On 14/02/2016 6:12 p.m., Tony wrote:

So they TPP protesters attende a parade today and didn't let the PM >>>>>> speak.
They don't deserve a vote!
Tony

It has been noted that the media and Nat MPs are now referring to the >>>>> National led government instead of the Key led government.
Keys polling is on the slide and it won't go up again.

Riiiight
Be funny if you actually got something right

Laugh all you want, but it seems there is a reason why Key only made 7
speeches last year, with two open to the public, and the others all of
the $90 a head fund-raising type.

Another Dickbot lie is just so easily debunked:
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/minister/john-key/speech

Liebor again...
Why does he lie when its so easy to prove that he's lied?
Does the left have the same researching ability as the MSM ?

Nah. Poor fools* only have Rich :)

Pooh

*This is a back handed reference to Liebor asking there membership to donate
$2 each. Though Labour needs far more than $10,000 to pay it's debts :)

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"Fred" <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:n9r63l$amb$1@dont-email.me...

On 15/02/2016 8:37 a.m., JohnO wrote:

On Monday, 15 February 2016 08:06:30 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 07:53:23 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

On 2/14/2016 6:43 PM, victor wrote:

On 14/02/2016 6:12 p.m., Tony wrote:

So they TPP protesters attende a parade today and didn't let the PM >>>>>> speak.
They don't deserve a vote!
Tony

It has been noted that the media and Nat MPs are now referring to the >>>>> National led government instead of the Key led government.
Keys polling is on the slide and it won't go up again.

Riiiight
Be funny if you actually got something right

Laugh all you want, but it seems there is a reason why Key only made 7
speeches last year, with two open to the public, and the others all of
the $90 a head fund-raising type.

Another Dickbot lie is just so easily debunked:
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/minister/john-key/speech

It's crap alright - not suprising as it's from Rich; but it does make me wonder, if Little gave a speech, how many would turn up at $90 dollars per head?

Hell Little has trouble getting a quorum when he holds free ones in public parks :)

Pooh

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"Rich80105" <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:ho43cb17ff1t43nbv5093gkenhsnotal0n@4ax.com...

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 13:31:32 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 15/02/2016 8:37 a.m., JohnO wrote:

On Monday, 15 February 2016 08:06:30 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 07:53:23 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote: >>>>

On 2/14/2016 6:43 PM, victor wrote:

On 14/02/2016 6:12 p.m., Tony wrote:

So they TPP protesters attende a parade today and didn't let the PM >>>>>>> speak.
They don't deserve a vote!
Tony

It has been noted that the media and Nat MPs are now referring to the >>>>>> National led government instead of the Key led government.
Keys polling is on the slide and it won't go up again.

Riiiight
Be funny if you actually got something right

Laugh all you want, but it seems there is a reason why Key only made 7 >>>> speeches last year, with two open to the public, and the others all of >>>> the $90 a head fund-raising type.

Another Dickbot lie is just so easily debunked:
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/minister/john-key/speech

It's crap alright - not suprising as it's from Rich; but it does make me >>wonder, if Little gave a speech, how many would turn up at $90 dollars
per head?

When Key makes a speech as Prime Minister, and charges $90, where does
that money go, Fred?

Into the National party coffers. Besides which when he makes prime
ministerial speeches he seldom charges. If he did the Labour party would be even broker than it is now having to pay every time he gets up to slap down
the quasi opposition in parliament.

Pooh

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"victor" <user1@example.net> wrote in message news:n9qmvv$1ann$1@gioia.aioe.org...

On 15/02/2016 8:39 a.m., JohnO wrote:

On Monday, 15 February 2016 08:04:47 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 07:52:14 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net>
wrote:

On 2/14/2016 6:12 PM, Tony wrote:

So they TPP protesters attende a parade today and didn't let
the PM speak. They don't deserve a vote! Tony

And it was the big gay day.. Maybe there's something there

Well it does seem that the TPPA was a significant factor in the
crowds disapproval of John Key,, Nikkie Kaye and Maggie Barry.
https://youtu.be/BjN7OYZi7jk

Removing votes for political opinions and not being polite does
seem a little harsh and intolerant.

The anti TPPA rabble (unions and Mana primarily) are really pissing
other people off with this constant hijacking of other groups (TPPA
has nothing to do with LGBT). Just wait and see how this backfires on
them.

Yeah, Shhhhh all you people concerned about drug patents.

cite please victor. You've had three months to dig out the relevant section.

Pooh

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On 2/16/2016 12:54 AM, Pooh wrote:

"victor" <user1@example.net> wrote in message news:n9qp4h$1ef9$1@gioia.aioe.org...

On 15/02/2016 9:06 a.m., Tony wrote:

victor <user1@example.net> wrote:

On 15/02/2016 8:39 a.m., Tony wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 18:43:57 +1300, victor <user1@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>

On 14/02/2016 6:12 p.m., Tony wrote:

So they TPP protesters attende a parade today and didn't let the PM >>>>>>>> speak.
They don't deserve a vote!
Tony

It has been noted that the media and Nat MPs are now referring to the >>>>>>> National led government instead of the Key led government.
Keys polling is on the slide and it won't go up again.

It is hard to tell what the protestors were protesting at - it may >>>>>> well have been the colour of his shirt. See:
https://twitter.com/annaloren/status/698711715844792320
and other videos there

Anna Loren referred to TPPA, but the banners in the pic she posted >>>>>> were not TPP related.

Another video here - much the same perspective; no mention of TPP

So The Herald and Stuff got it wrong then?

Yeah.
People were booing for various different reasons.
They will do that when a straight guy turns up in a pink shirt, its like >>>> he is mocking them.
There is plenty of video

And there were TPP protesters there booing and preventing someone
communicating
(stupidity) as I said and as The Herald, Stuff and Prime News reported.
Let's
keep to the point shall we?
Tony

He got booed offstage by the crowd not "TPP protesters".
I know its policy to demonize particular factions and you are saying what
you have been told to say, but its a fact, and you can see it in the video >> that they just saw the guy the only in the patronizing stereotyping pink
shirt as a wanker.

Not according to many who were there victor. Did you go?

He's still in the closet perhap ?
They really hate Key having a good time with New Zealanders don't they

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On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 11:45:33 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 08:32:14 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 23:13:24 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

JohnO wrote:

On Monday, 15 February 2016 08:04:47 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 07:52:14 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote: >> >>>

On 2/14/2016 6:12 PM, Tony wrote:

So they TPP protesters attende a parade today and didn't let the PM >> >>> >> speak. They don't deserve a vote!
Tony

And it was the big gay day..
Maybe there's something there

Well it does seem that the TPPA was a significant factor in the crowds >> >>> disapproval of John Key,, Nikkie Kaye and Maggie Barry.
https://youtu.be/BjN7OYZi7jk

Removing votes for political opinions and not being polite does seem a >> >>> little harsh and intolerant.

The anti TPPA rabble (unions and Mana primarily) are really pissing other >> >> people off with this constant hijacking of other groups (TPPA has nothing >> >> to do with LGBT). Just wait and see how this backfires on them.

I've never understood why the acronym "LGBT" has an "L" in it. The "G"
includes the "L", it seems odd to have it separately.

At one time the word "Gay" referred only to men - Queen Victoria is
said to have refused t believe that women could be homosexual, so the
laws against homosexuality only applied to men.

Bollocks. It's because the UK and most other such laws prohibited sodomy.

So you think that was seen as applyng to women, do you JohnO?

Do you have an alternative expanation of why LBGT includes the letter
L, or are you just being offensive to hide your ignorance?

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JohnO wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 08:32:14 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 23:13:24 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

JohnO wrote:

On Monday, 15 February 2016 08:04:47 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 07:52:14 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net>
wrote:

On 2/14/2016 6:12 PM, Tony wrote:

So they TPP protesters attende a parade today and didn't let the
PM speak. They don't deserve a vote!
Tony

And it was the big gay day..
Maybe there's something there

Well it does seem that the TPPA was a significant factor in the
crowds disapproval of John Key,, Nikkie Kaye and Maggie Barry.
https://youtu.be/BjN7OYZi7jk

Removing votes for political opinions and not being polite does seem
a little harsh and intolerant.

The anti TPPA rabble (unions and Mana primarily) are really pissing
other people off with this constant hijacking of other groups (TPPA
has nothing to do with LGBT). Just wait and see how this backfires on
them.

I've never understood why the acronym "LGBT" has an "L" in it. The "G"
includes the "L", it seems odd to have it separately.

At one time the word "Gay" referred only to men - Queen Victoria is
said to have refused t believe that women could be homosexual, so the
laws against homosexuality only applied to men.

Bollocks. It's because the UK and most other such laws prohibited sodomy.

It's appalling that the state can criminalise non harmful activities between consenting adults.
--
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

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Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 23:13:24 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

JohnO wrote:

On Monday, 15 February 2016 08:04:47 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 07:52:14 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote: >>>>

On 2/14/2016 6:12 PM, Tony wrote:

So they TPP protesters attende a parade today and didn't let the PM >>>> >> speak. They don't deserve a vote!
Tony

And it was the big gay day..
Maybe there's something there

Well it does seem that the TPPA was a significant factor in the crowds >>>> disapproval of John Key,, Nikkie Kaye and Maggie Barry.
https://youtu.be/BjN7OYZi7jk

Removing votes for political opinions and not being polite does seem a >>>> little harsh and intolerant.

The anti TPPA rabble (unions and Mana primarily) are really pissing
other people off with this constant hijacking of other groups (TPPA has
nothing to do with LGBT). Just wait and see how this backfires on them.

I've never understood why the acronym "LGBT" has an "L" in it. The "G" >>includes the "L", it seems odd to have it separately.

At one time the word "Gay" referred only to men - Queen Victoria is
said to have refused t believe that women could be homosexual, so the
laws against homosexuality only applied to men.

"Gay" is now a non gender specific term. So the "G" includes the "L".
--
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

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On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 08:32:14 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 23:13:24 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

JohnO wrote:

On Monday, 15 February 2016 08:04:47 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 07:52:14 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote: >>>

On 2/14/2016 6:12 PM, Tony wrote:

So they TPP protesters attende a parade today and didn't let the PM >>> >> speak. They don't deserve a vote!
Tony

And it was the big gay day..
Maybe there's something there

Well it does seem that the TPPA was a significant factor in the crowds >>> disapproval of John Key,, Nikkie Kaye and Maggie Barry.
https://youtu.be/BjN7OYZi7jk

Removing votes for political opinions and not being polite does seem a >>> little harsh and intolerant.

The anti TPPA rabble (unions and Mana primarily) are really pissing other >> people off with this constant hijacking of other groups (TPPA has nothing >> to do with LGBT). Just wait and see how this backfires on them.

I've never understood why the acronym "LGBT" has an "L" in it. The "G" >includes the "L", it seems odd to have it separately.

At one time the word "Gay" referred only to men - Queen Victoria is
said to have refused t believe that women could be homosexual, so the
laws against homosexuality only applied to men.

Bollocks. It's because the UK and most other such laws prohibited sodomy.

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On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 23:13:24 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

JohnO wrote:

On Monday, 15 February 2016 08:04:47 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 07:52:14 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

On 2/14/2016 6:12 PM, Tony wrote:

So they TPP protesters attende a parade today and didn't let the PM
speak. They don't deserve a vote!
Tony

And it was the big gay day..
Maybe there's something there

Well it does seem that the TPPA was a significant factor in the crowds
disapproval of John Key,, Nikkie Kaye and Maggie Barry.
https://youtu.be/BjN7OYZi7jk

Removing votes for political opinions and not being polite does seem a
little harsh and intolerant.

The anti TPPA rabble (unions and Mana primarily) are really pissing other
people off with this constant hijacking of other groups (TPPA has nothing
to do with LGBT). Just wait and see how this backfires on them.

I've never understood why the acronym "LGBT" has an "L" in it. The "G" >includes the "L", it seems odd to have it separately.

At one time the word "Gay" referred only to men - Queen Victoria is
said to have refused t believe that women could be homosexual, so the
laws against homosexuality only applied to men.

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On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 12:21:50 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 09:00:05 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 11:45:33 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 08:32:14 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 23:13:24 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

JohnO wrote:

On Monday, 15 February 2016 08:04:47 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 07:52:14 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

On 2/14/2016 6:12 PM, Tony wrote:

So they TPP protesters attende a parade today and didn't let the PM
speak. They don't deserve a vote!
Tony

And it was the big gay day..
Maybe there's something there

Well it does seem that the TPPA was a significant factor in the crowds
disapproval of John Key,, Nikkie Kaye and Maggie Barry.
https://youtu.be/BjN7OYZi7jk

Removing votes for political opinions and not being polite does seem a
little harsh and intolerant.

The anti TPPA rabble (unions and Mana primarily) are really pissing other
people off with this constant hijacking of other groups (TPPA has nothing
to do with LGBT). Just wait and see how this backfires on them.

I've never understood why the acronym "LGBT" has an "L" in it. The "G" >> >> >includes the "L", it seems odd to have it separately.

At one time the word "Gay" referred only to men - Queen Victoria is
said to have refused t believe that women could be homosexual, so the
laws against homosexuality only applied to men.

Bollocks. It's because the UK and most other such laws prohibited sodomy. >>

So you think that was seen as applyng to women, do you JohnO?

Do you have an alternative expanation of why LBGT includes the letter
L, or are you just being offensive to hide your ignorance?

<sigh>

No, idiot. You claimed that the laws only applied to men because it was thought women could not be homosexual. I pointed out that is bullshit. The laws

did not apply to women because the laws were against sodomy, not homosexueality
per se.

Now... are you so unbelievably thick that you need to be told why sodomy doesn't apply to women?

Sheesh.

I have now done a little investigation and in one aspect I was
incorrect - Queen Victoria had nothing to do with the difference in
the legal treatment of acts by homosexual men and women.
For example: http://www.strangehistory.net/2013/08/26/victorian-lesbian-cobblers/

That link includes:
"... one of the most fascinating facts about sexuality in western
Europe and later European colonies is that way that there was one
standard for male homosexuality and quite another for female
homosexuality."

and
" In 1885, after a famous journalistic campaign, Salisbury’s Tory
government passed a The Criminal Bill Amendment Act. The main aim of
this act was to prevent child prostitution and make prostitution more
difficult generally. However, as the act was being discussed a Liberal
MP, Henry Labouchere, introduced an amendment to the Amendment making
it a crime for two men to indulge in ‘gross indecency’. British law
has decided, in its wisdom, and this was probably Labouchere’s
intention, that ‘gross indecency’ would be any homosexual act, not
including sodomy (i.e. anal sex). Though as punishment for sodomy in
1885 was life imprisonment many homosexuals were prosecuted under the Labourchere amendment because juries were far more likely to convict."

- which is where the difference between homosexual men (Gays, as they
became to be known) and women (Lesbians, as they came to be known)
became evident - it was not just sodomy that gave different treatment
under the law.

I don't mind what the LBGT people want to call themselves - but
perhaps the discussion has left a few more better informed.

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On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 09:00:05 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 11:45:33 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 08:32:14 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 23:13:24 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

JohnO wrote:

On Monday, 15 February 2016 08:04:47 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 07:52:14 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote: >> >>>

On 2/14/2016 6:12 PM, Tony wrote:

So they TPP protesters attende a parade today and didn't let the PM >> >>> >> speak. They don't deserve a vote!
Tony

And it was the big gay day..
Maybe there's something there

Well it does seem that the TPPA was a significant factor in the crowds >> >>> disapproval of John Key,, Nikkie Kaye and Maggie Barry.
https://youtu.be/BjN7OYZi7jk

Removing votes for political opinions and not being polite does seem a >> >>> little harsh and intolerant.

The anti TPPA rabble (unions and Mana primarily) are really pissing

other

people off with this constant hijacking of other groups (TPPA has

nothing

to do with LGBT). Just wait and see how this backfires on them.

I've never understood why the acronym "LGBT" has an "L" in it. The "G"
includes the "L", it seems odd to have it separately.

At one time the word "Gay" referred only to men - Queen Victoria is
said to have refused t believe that women could be homosexual, so the
laws against homosexuality only applied to men.

Bollocks. It's because the UK and most other such laws prohibited sodomy.

So you think that was seen as applyng to women, do you JohnO?

Do you have an alternative expanation of why LBGT includes the letter
L, or are you just being offensive to hide your ignorance?

<sigh>

No, idiot. You claimed that the laws only applied to men because it was thought
women could not be homosexual. I pointed out that is bullshit. The laws did not
apply to women because the laws were against sodomy, not homosexueality per se.

Now... are you so unbelievably thick that you need to be told why sodomy doesn't apply to women?

Sheesh.

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On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 09:00:46 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 23:13:24 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

JohnO wrote:

On Monday, 15 February 2016 08:04:47 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 07:52:14 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote: >>>>>

On 2/14/2016 6:12 PM, Tony wrote:

So they TPP protesters attende a parade today and didn't let the PM >>>>> >> speak. They don't deserve a vote!
Tony

And it was the big gay day..
Maybe there's something there

Well it does seem that the TPPA was a significant factor in the crowds >>>>> disapproval of John Key,, Nikkie Kaye and Maggie Barry.
https://youtu.be/BjN7OYZi7jk

Removing votes for political opinions and not being polite does seem a >>>>> little harsh and intolerant.

The anti TPPA rabble (unions and Mana primarily) are really pissing
other people off with this constant hijacking of other groups (TPPA has >>>> nothing to do with LGBT). Just wait and see how this backfires on them. >>>

I've never understood why the acronym "LGBT" has an "L" in it. The "G" >>>includes the "L", it seems odd to have it separately.

At one time the word "Gay" referred only to men - Queen Victoria is
said to have refused t believe that women could be homosexual, so the
laws against homosexuality only applied to men.

"Gay" is now a non gender specific term. So the "G" includes the "L". Certainly some understand it that way, but english usage varies

considerably; I'm sure you would not want to try to impose your
understanding on the people who prefer to describe themselves as
Lesbian rather than Gay.

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"george152" <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote in message news:D_OdnbbRTuTwvF_LnZ2dnUU7-TednZ2d@giganews.com...

On 2/16/2016 12:54 AM, Pooh wrote:

"victor" <user1@example.net> wrote in message
news:n9qp4h$1ef9$1@gioia.aioe.org...

On 15/02/2016 9:06 a.m., Tony wrote:

victor <user1@example.net> wrote:

On 15/02/2016 8:39 a.m., Tony wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 18:43:57 +1300, victor <user1@example.net>
wrote:

On 14/02/2016 6:12 p.m., Tony wrote:

So they TPP protesters attende a parade today and didn't let the >>>>>>>>> PM
speak.
They don't deserve a vote!
Tony

It has been noted that the media and Nat MPs are now referring to >>>>>>>> the
National led government instead of the Key led government.
Keys polling is on the slide and it won't go up again.

It is hard to tell what the protestors were protesting at - it may >>>>>>> well have been the colour of his shirt. See:
https://twitter.com/annaloren/status/698711715844792320
and other videos there

Anna Loren referred to TPPA, but the banners in the pic she posted >>>>>>> were not TPP related.

Another video here - much the same perspective; no mention of TPP >>>>>>

So The Herald and Stuff got it wrong then?

Yeah.
People were booing for various different reasons.
They will do that when a straight guy turns up in a pink shirt, its
like
he is mocking them.
There is plenty of video

And there were TPP protesters there booing and preventing someone
communicating
(stupidity) as I said and as The Herald, Stuff and Prime News reported. >>>> Let's
keep to the point shall we?
Tony

He got booed offstage by the crowd not "TPP protesters".
I know its policy to demonize particular factions and you are saying
what
you have been told to say, but its a fact, and you can see it in the
video
that they just saw the guy the only in the patronizing stereotyping pink >>> shirt as a wanker.

Not according to many who were there victor. Did you go?

He's still in the closet perhap ?
They really hate Key having a good time with New Zealanders don't they

It's about jealousy of those more popular and succesful than their union appointed stooge George.

Pooh

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"Rich80105" <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3ie4cb9ir5rsmo53iartajnamm1ar4cplh@4ax.com...

On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 09:00:46 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 23:13:24 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

JohnO wrote:

On Monday, 15 February 2016 08:04:47 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 07:52:14 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net>
wrote:

On 2/14/2016 6:12 PM, Tony wrote:

So they TPP protesters attende a parade today and didn't let the >>>>>> >> PM
speak. They don't deserve a vote!
Tony

And it was the big gay day..
Maybe there's something there

Well it does seem that the TPPA was a significant factor in the
crowds
disapproval of John Key,, Nikkie Kaye and Maggie Barry.
https://youtu.be/BjN7OYZi7jk

Removing votes for political opinions and not being polite does seem >>>>>> a
little harsh and intolerant.

The anti TPPA rabble (unions and Mana primarily) are really pissing
other people off with this constant hijacking of other groups (TPPA
has
nothing to do with LGBT). Just wait and see how this backfires on
them.

I've never understood why the acronym "LGBT" has an "L" in it. The "G" >>>>includes the "L", it seems odd to have it separately.

At one time the word "Gay" referred only to men - Queen Victoria is
said to have refused t believe that women could be homosexual, so the
laws against homosexuality only applied to men.

"Gay" is now a non gender specific term. So the "G" includes the "L".

Certainly some understand it that way, but english usage varies
considerably; I'm sure you would not want to try to impose your
understanding on the people who prefer to describe themselves as
Lesbian rather than Gay.

Lesbian Bisexual Gay Transgender. You trying to tell us this is a typical
loopy lefty label denying men rights Rich?

Pooh

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On 16/02/2016 9:00 a.m., Allistar wrote:

Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 23:13:24 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

JohnO wrote:

On Monday, 15 February 2016 08:04:47 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 07:52:14 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote: >>>>>

On 2/14/2016 6:12 PM, Tony wrote:

So they TPP protesters attende a parade today and didn't let the PM >>>>>>> speak. They don't deserve a vote!
Tony

And it was the big gay day..
Maybe there's something there

Well it does seem that the TPPA was a significant factor in the crowds >>>>> disapproval of John Key,, Nikkie Kaye and Maggie Barry.
https://youtu.be/BjN7OYZi7jk

Removing votes for political opinions and not being polite does seem a >>>>> little harsh and intolerant.

The anti TPPA rabble (unions and Mana primarily) are really pissing
other people off with this constant hijacking of other groups (TPPA has >>>> nothing to do with LGBT). Just wait and see how this backfires on them. >>>

I've never understood why the acronym "LGBT" has an "L" in it. The "G"
includes the "L", it seems odd to have it separately.

At one time the word "Gay" referred only to men - Queen Victoria is
said to have refused t believe that women could be homosexual, so the
laws against homosexuality only applied to men.

"Gay" is now a non gender specific term. So the "G" includes the "L".

In Queen Vic's time the word gay had nothing to do with homosexuality.
Since becoming a common term for homosexual it has always been non
gender specific. It's a euphemism that I would never use; like most
euphemisms.

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"Rich80105" <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:8ue4cb50bgmcqi10osvvpgcsaasqod4n4a@4ax.com...

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 12:21:50 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 09:00:05 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 11:45:33 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 08:32:14 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 23:13:24 +1300, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

JohnO wrote:

On Monday, 15 February 2016 08:04:47 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 07:52:14 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net>
wrote:

On 2/14/2016 6:12 PM, Tony wrote:

So they TPP protesters attende a parade today and didn't let
the PM
speak. They don't deserve a vote!
Tony

And it was the big gay day..
Maybe there's something there

Well it does seem that the TPPA was a significant factor in the
crowds
disapproval of John Key,, Nikkie Kaye and Maggie Barry.
https://youtu.be/BjN7OYZi7jk

Removing votes for political opinions and not being polite does
seem a
little harsh and intolerant.

The anti TPPA rabble (unions and Mana primarily) are really
pissing other
people off with this constant hijacking of other groups (TPPA has
nothing
to do with LGBT). Just wait and see how this backfires on them.

I've never understood why the acronym "LGBT" has an "L" in it. The
"G"
includes the "L", it seems odd to have it separately.

At one time the word "Gay" referred only to men - Queen Victoria is
said to have refused t believe that women could be homosexual, so the >>> >> laws against homosexuality only applied to men.

Bollocks. It's because the UK and most other such laws prohibited
sodomy.

So you think that was seen as applyng to women, do you JohnO?

Do you have an alternative expanation of why LBGT includes the letter
L, or are you just being offensive to hide your ignorance?

<sigh>

No, idiot. You claimed that the laws only applied to men because it was >>thought women could not be homosexual. I pointed out that is bullshit. The >>laws did not apply to women because the laws were against sodomy, not >>homosexueality per se.

Now... are you so unbelievably thick that you need to be told why sodomy >>doesn't apply to women?

Sheesh.

I have now done a little investigation and in one aspect I was
incorrect - Queen Victoria had nothing to do with the difference in
the legal treatment of acts by homosexual men and women.
For example: http://www.strangehistory.net/2013/08/26/victorian-lesbian-cobblers/

That link includes:
"... one of the most fascinating facts about sexuality in western
Europe and later European colonies is that way that there was one
standard for male homosexuality and quite another for female
homosexuality."

and
" In 1885, after a famous journalistic campaign, Salisbury's Tory
government passed a The Criminal Bill Amendment Act. The main aim of
this act was to prevent child prostitution and make prostitution more difficult generally. However, as the act was being discussed a Liberal
MP, Henry Labouchere, introduced an amendment to the Amendment making
it a crime for two men to indulge in 'gross indecency'. British law
has decided, in its wisdom, and this was probably Labouchere's
intention, that 'gross indecency' would be any homosexual act, not
including sodomy (i.e. anal sex). Though as punishment for sodomy in
1885 was life imprisonment many homosexuals were prosecuted under the Labourchere amendment because juries were far more likely to convict."

- which is where the difference between homosexual men (Gays, as they
became to be known) and women (Lesbians, as they came to be known)
became evident - it was not just sodomy that gave different treatment
under the law.

I don't mind what the LBGT people want to call themselves - but
perhaps the discussion has left a few more better informed.

Got news for you JohnO. Rich is thicker than you thought. Now Rich is doing
his usual 'Shit I've made a bigger fool of myself than usual' look over here and ignore my stupidity sidetrack. The only one left better informed is Rich itself. Though going by past preformance it won't last more than a few
seconds.


Pooh

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