On 14/02/2016 9:25 a.m., Rich80105 wrote:Fred, oh ye of littel (no pun intended) faith!
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/speaker-ryan-not-enough-votes-for-tpp-trade-deal/I wonder what you'll have to say in the extremely likely event that
Note that the concerns are not about trade:
"But there are still major concerns about the deal inside and out of
Congress, including a carve-out that will prevent tobacco companies
from suing nations with regulations aimed at reducing smoking,
intellectual property issues relating to biologics, and some
provisions dealing with dairy and financial services. There are also
still major concerns among labor groups about whether the labor
standards are up to snuff."
Little's replacement (imminent) will support the TPPA!
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/speaker-ryan-not-enough-votes-for-tpp-trade-deal/
Note that the concerns are not about trade:
"But there are still major concerns about the deal inside and out of Congress, including a carve-out that will prevent tobacco companies
from suing nations with regulations aimed at reducing smoking,
intellectual property issues relating to biologics, and some
provisions dealing with dairy and financial services. There are also
still major concerns among labor groups about whether the labor
standards are up to snuff."
Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 14/02/2016 9:25 a.m., Rich80105 wrote:Fred, oh ye of littel (no pun intended) faith!
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/speaker-ryan-not-enough-votes-for-tpp-trade-deal/I wonder what you'll have to say in the extremely likely event that
Note that the concerns are not about trade:
"But there are still major concerns about the deal inside and out of
Congress, including a carve-out that will prevent tobacco companies
from suing nations with regulations aimed at reducing smoking,
intellectual property issues relating to biologics, and some
provisions dealing with dairy and financial services. There are also
still major concerns among labor groups about whether the labor
standards are up to snuff."
Little's replacement (imminent) will support the TPPA!
Rich will continue to see both sides of any and all arguments resulting in an unbiased and well thought through response, devoid of any personal attacks! Tony
On 14/02/2016 9:25 a.m., Rich80105 wrote:I'm not aware of any imminent change of leader in any political party
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/speaker-ryan-not-enough-votes-for-tpp-trade-deal/I wonder what you'll have to say in the extremely likely event that
Note that the concerns are not about trade:
"But there are still major concerns about the deal inside and out of
Congress, including a carve-out that will prevent tobacco companies
from suing nations with regulations aimed at reducing smoking,
intellectual property issues relating to biologics, and some
provisions dealing with dairy and financial services. There are also
still major concerns among labor groups about whether the labor
standards are up to snuff."
Little's replacement (imminent) will support the TPPA!
On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 15:28:06 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 14/02/2016 9:25 a.m., Rich80105 wrote:I'm not aware of any imminent change of leader in any political party
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/speaker-ryan-not-enough-votes-for-tpp-trade-deal/I wonder what you'll have to say in the extremely likely event that >>Little's replacement (imminent) will support the TPPA!
Note that the concerns are not about trade:
"But there are still major concerns about the deal inside and out of
Congress, including a carve-out that will prevent tobacco companies
from suing nations with regulations aimed at reducing smoking,
intellectual property issues relating to biologics, and some
provisions dealing with dairy and financial services. There are also
still major concerns among labor groups about whether the labor
standards are up to snuff."
in New Zealand, I doubt any such change would change the minds of
House Speaker Ryan, (Republican Wisconsin).
The Trade parts of the TPPA appear to be generally regarded as
disappointing, but overall just worthwhile for New Zealand at least;
it is the non-trade parts that have cause more concern to many both in
New Zealand and elsewhere.
On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 15:28:06 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:I think that is right, there are no imminent changes that I can see either.
On 14/02/2016 9:25 a.m., Rich80105 wrote:I'm not aware of any imminent change of leader in any political party
I wonder what you'll have to say in the extremely likely event that >>Little's replacement (imminent) will support the TPPA!http://www.cbsnews.com/news/speaker-ryan-not-enough-votes-for-tpp-trade-deal/
Note that the concerns are not about trade:
"But there are still major concerns about the deal inside and out of
Congress, including a carve-out that will prevent tobacco companies
from suing nations with regulations aimed at reducing smoking,
intellectual property issues relating to biologics, and some
provisions dealing with dairy and financial services. There are also
still major concerns among labor groups about whether the labor
standards are up to snuff."
in New Zealand,
I doubt any such change would change the minds of
House Speaker Ryan, (Republican Wisconsin).
The Trade parts of the TPPA appear to be generally regarded as
disappointing, but overall just worthwhile for New Zealand at least;
it is the non-trade parts that have cause more concern to many both in
New Zealand and elsewhere.
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 15:28:06 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:I think that is right, there are no imminent changes that I can see
On 14/02/2016 9:25 a.m., Rich80105 wrote:I'm not aware of any imminent change of leader in any political party
I wonder what you'll have to say in the extremely likely event that >>>Little's replacement (imminent) will support the TPPA!http://www.cbsnews.com/news/speaker-ryan-not-enough-votes-for-tpp-trade-deal/
Note that the concerns are not about trade:
"But there are still major concerns about the deal inside and out of
Congress, including a carve-out that will prevent tobacco companies
from suing nations with regulations aimed at reducing smoking,
intellectual property issues relating to biologics, and some
provisions dealing with dairy and financial services. There are also
still major concerns among labor groups about whether the labor
standards are up to snuff."
in New Zealand,
either. In the case of Labour it is because there is no viable alternative except possibly Grant Robertson who is clearly intelligent and capable.
But he won't make it because of the carefully hidden bigotry in the Labour ranks (especially the unions). Just an opinion by the way!--
Tony
wrote:I am not a supporter of any party but I agree that she is very competent. One of te sad things about Labour is their inability to choose strong and competent leaders since Helen Clark. It's not the only problem but solving that is critical to their future and to NZ having a competent opposition.
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 15:28:06 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:I think that is right, there are no imminent changes that I can see
On 14/02/2016 9:25 a.m., Rich80105 wrote:I'm not aware of any imminent change of leader in any political party
I wonder what you'll have to say in the extremely likely event that >>>>Little's replacement (imminent) will support the TPPA!http://www.cbsnews.com/news/speaker-ryan-not-enough-votes-for-tpp-trade-deal/
Note that the concerns are not about trade:
"But there are still major concerns about the deal inside and out of >>>>> Congress, including a carve-out that will prevent tobacco companies
from suing nations with regulations aimed at reducing smoking,
intellectual property issues relating to biologics, and some
provisions dealing with dairy and financial services. There are also >>>>> still major concerns among labor groups about whether the labor
standards are up to snuff."
in New Zealand,
either. In the case of Labour it is because there is no viable alternative >> except possibly Grant Robertson who is clearly intelligent and capable.
I am far from a Labour supporter, but I think Annette King would be far >better than any of the Andrew's and David's.
But he won't make it because of the carefully hidden bigotry in the Labour >> ranks (especially the unions). Just an opinion by the way!--
Tony
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." >creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:(especially
On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 15:28:06 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:
I think that is right, there are no imminent changes that I can see either. In the case of Labour it is because there is no viable alternative except possibly Grant Robertson who is clearly intelligent and capable. But he won't make it because of the carefully hidden bigotry in the Labour ranksOn 14/02/2016 9:25 a.m., Rich80105 wrote:I'm not aware of any imminent change of leader in any political party
I wonder what you'll have to say in the extremely likely event that >>Little's replacement (imminent) will support the TPPA!http://www.cbsnews.com/news/speaker-ryan-not-enough-votes-for-tpp-trade-deal/
Note that the concerns are not about trade:
"But there are still major concerns about the deal inside and out of
Congress, including a carve-out that will prevent tobacco companies
from suing nations with regulations aimed at reducing smoking,
intellectual property issues relating to biologics, and some
provisions dealing with dairy and financial services. There are also
still major concerns among labor groups about whether the labor
standards are up to snuff."
in New Zealand,
the unions). Just an opinion by the way!
Tony
I doubt any such change would change the minds of
House Speaker Ryan, (Republican Wisconsin).
The Trade parts of the TPPA appear to be generally regarded as >disappointing, but overall just worthwhile for New Zealand at least;
it is the non-trade parts that have cause more concern to many both in
New Zealand and elsewhere.
Tony
Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> wrote:
wrote:I am not a supporter of any party but I agree that she is very competent.
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 15:28:06 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:I think that is right, there are no imminent changes that I can see
On 14/02/2016 9:25 a.m., Rich80105 wrote:I'm not aware of any imminent change of leader in any political party >>>>in New Zealand,
I wonder what you'll have to say in the extremely likely event that >>>>>Little's replacement (imminent) will support the TPPA!http://www.cbsnews.com/news/speaker-ryan-not-enough-votes-for-tpp-trade-deal/
Note that the concerns are not about trade:
"But there are still major concerns about the deal inside and out of >>>>>> Congress, including a carve-out that will prevent tobacco companies >>>>>> from suing nations with regulations aimed at reducing smoking,
intellectual property issues relating to biologics, and some
provisions dealing with dairy and financial services. There are also >>>>>> still major concerns among labor groups about whether the labor
standards are up to snuff."
either. In the case of Labour it is because there is no viable
alternative except possibly Grant Robertson who is clearly intelligent
and capable.
I am far from a Labour supporter, but I think Annette King would be far >>better than any of the Andrew's and David's.
One of te sad things about Labour is their inability to choose strong and competent leaders since Helen Clark. It's not the only problem but solving that is critical to their future and to NZ having a competent opposition.
--But he won't make it because of the carefully hidden bigotry in the--
Labour ranks (especially the unions). Just an opinion by the way!
Tony
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." >>creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.
Tony
wrote:Yes as should all such organisations - having unions voting for the leader of a party that could theoretically be out next government is a disgrace!
Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> wrote:
wrote:I am not a supporter of any party but I agree that she is very competent.
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 15:28:06 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:I think that is right, there are no imminent changes that I can see
On 14/02/2016 9:25 a.m., Rich80105 wrote:I'm not aware of any imminent change of leader in any political party >>>>>in New Zealand,
I wonder what you'll have to say in the extremely likely event that >>>>>>Little's replacement (imminent) will support the TPPA!http://www.cbsnews.com/news/speaker-ryan-not-enough-votes-for-tpp-trade-deal/
Note that the concerns are not about trade:
"But there are still major concerns about the deal inside and out of >>>>>>> Congress, including a carve-out that will prevent tobacco companies >>>>>>> from suing nations with regulations aimed at reducing smoking,
intellectual property issues relating to biologics, and some
provisions dealing with dairy and financial services. There are also >>>>>>> still major concerns among labor groups about whether the labor
standards are up to snuff."
either. In the case of Labour it is because there is no viable
alternative except possibly Grant Robertson who is clearly intelligent >>>> and capable.
I am far from a Labour supporter, but I think Annette King would be far >>>better than any of the Andrew's and David's.
One of te sad things about Labour is their inability to choose strong and
competent leaders since Helen Clark. It's not the only problem but solving >> that is critical to their future and to NZ having a competent opposition.
They should vote for their leader democratically, evenly. Without giving >special interest groups more voting power than is equitable.
--But he won't make it because of the carefully hidden bigotry in the--
Labour ranks (especially the unions). Just an opinion by the way!
Tony
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." >>>creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.
Tony
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." >creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.
On Monday, 15 February 2016 09:33:16 UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote: >> Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 15:28:06 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:I think that is right, there are no imminent changes that I can see either. >> In the case of Labour it is because there is no viable alternative except
On 14/02/2016 9:25 a.m., Rich80105 wrote:I'm not aware of any imminent change of leader in any political party
I wonder what you'll have to say in the extremely likely event that
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/speaker-ryan-not-enough-votes-for-tpp-trade-deal/
Note that the concerns are not about trade:
"But there are still major concerns about the deal inside and out of
Congress, including a carve-out that will prevent tobacco companies
from suing nations with regulations aimed at reducing smoking,
intellectual property issues relating to biologics, and some
provisions dealing with dairy and financial services. There are also
still major concerns among labor groups about whether the labor
standards are up to snuff."
Little's replacement (imminent) will support the TPPA!
in New Zealand,
possibly Grant Robertson who is clearly intelligent and capable. But he won't
make it because of the carefully hidden bigotry in the Labour ranks (especially
the unions). Just an opinion by the way!
Tony
I'm not so sure about Robbo's effectiveness. As shadow finance spokesperson, he's never managed to make an impact on Bill English. But worse, he's got the same issue most of Labour's shadow cabinet carry - he's never had a "real" job.
I doubt any such change would change the minds of
House Speaker Ryan, (Republican Wisconsin).
The Trade parts of the TPPA appear to be generally regarded as
disappointing, but overall just worthwhile for New Zealand at least;
it is the non-trade parts that have cause more concern to many both in
New Zealand and elsewhere.
Tony
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/speaker-ryan-not-enough-votes-for-tpp-trade-deal/
Note that the concerns are not about trade:
"But there are still major concerns about the deal inside and out of Congress, including a carve-out that will prevent tobacco companies
from suing nations with regulations aimed at reducing smoking,
intellectual property issues relating to biologics, and some
provisions dealing with dairy and financial services. There are also
still major concerns among labor groups about whether the labor
standards are up to snuff."
On 14/02/2016 3:45 p.m., Tony wrote:
Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:Yes, of course. Silly me. I'll crawl back under my rock.
On 14/02/2016 9:25 a.m., Rich80105 wrote:Fred, oh ye of littel (no pun intended) faith!
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/speaker-ryan-not-enough-votes-for-tpp-trade-deal/I wonder what you'll have to say in the extremely likely event that
Note that the concerns are not about trade:
"But there are still major concerns about the deal inside and out of
Congress, including a carve-out that will prevent tobacco companies
from suing nations with regulations aimed at reducing smoking,
intellectual property issues relating to biologics, and some
provisions dealing with dairy and financial services. There are also
still major concerns among labor groups about whether the labor
standards are up to snuff."
Little's replacement (imminent) will support the TPPA!
Rich will continue to see both sides of any and all arguments resulting
in an
unbiased and well thought through response, devoid of any personal
attacks!
Tony
On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 15:28:06 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 14/02/2016 9:25 a.m., Rich80105 wrote:I'm not aware of any imminent change of leader in any political party
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/speaker-ryan-not-enough-votes-for-tpp-trade-deal/I wonder what you'll have to say in the extremely likely event that >>Little's replacement (imminent) will support the TPPA!
Note that the concerns are not about trade:
"But there are still major concerns about the deal inside and out of
Congress, including a carve-out that will prevent tobacco companies
from suing nations with regulations aimed at reducing smoking,
intellectual property issues relating to biologics, and some
provisions dealing with dairy and financial services. There are also
still major concerns among labor groups about whether the labor
standards are up to snuff."
in New Zealand, I doubt any such change would change the minds of
House Speaker Ryan, (Republican Wisconsin).
The Trade parts of the TPPA appear to be generally regarded as
disappointing, but overall just worthwhile for New Zealand at least;
it is the non-trade parts that have cause more concern to many both in
New Zealand and elsewhere.
Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> wrote:
wrote:I am not a supporter of any party but I agree that she is very competent.
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 15:28:06 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:I think that is right, there are no imminent changes that I can see
On 14/02/2016 9:25 a.m., Rich80105 wrote:I'm not aware of any imminent change of leader in any political party >>>>in New Zealand,
I wonder what you'll have to say in the extremely likely event that >>>>>Little's replacement (imminent) will support the TPPA!http://www.cbsnews.com/news/speaker-ryan-not-enough-votes-for-tpp-trade-deal/
Note that the concerns are not about trade:
"But there are still major concerns about the deal inside and out of >>>>>> Congress, including a carve-out that will prevent tobacco companies >>>>>> from suing nations with regulations aimed at reducing smoking,
intellectual property issues relating to biologics, and some
provisions dealing with dairy and financial services. There are also >>>>>> still major concerns among labor groups about whether the labor
standards are up to snuff."
either. In the case of Labour it is because there is no viable
alternative
except possibly Grant Robertson who is clearly intelligent and capable.
I am far from a Labour supporter, but I think Annette King would be far >>better than any of the Andrew's and David's.
One
of te sad things about Labour is their inability to choose strong and competent
leaders since Helen Clark. It's not the only problem but solving that is critical to their future and to NZ having a competent opposition.
But he won't make it because of the carefully hidden bigotry in the--
Labour
ranks (especially the unions). Just an opinion by the way!
Tony
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." >>creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.
Tony
English was a farmer. Everyone knows that.
Well, almost everyone it seems...
On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 08:26:47 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 02:00:38 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
English was a farmer. Everyone knows that.
Well, almost everyone it seems...
Yes Holyoake was a farmer too. Some such farmers are called a "Queen
St farmer"or "Lambton Quay farmer" - but for National MPs they will
often have a residence on their farm from which to do electorate work.
We know that he lived on a farm for the year before he became MP for
Wallace; do you know if he "farmed" after finishing his degrees before
he joined Treasury in 1987?
Yeah, 'cos if Bill English was a "Queen St farmer" he'd be up to this, eh?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/76855785/bill-english-wants-to-share-his-shearing-skills-with-ewe.html
Can you stop making a dick of yourself for even one day, Dickbot?
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 02:00:38 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
English was a farmer. Everyone knows that.
Well, almost everyone it seems...
Yes Holyoake was a farmer too. Some such farmers are called a "Queen
St farmer"or "Lambton Quay farmer" - but for National MPs they will
often have a residence on their farm from which to do electorate work.
We know that he lived on a farm for the year before he became MP for
Wallace; do you know if he "farmed" after finishing his degrees before
he joined Treasury in 1987?
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 11:32:31 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 08:26:47 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 02:00:38 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
English was a farmer. Everyone knows that.
Well, almost everyone it seems...
Yes Holyoake was a farmer too. Some such farmers are called a "Queen
St farmer"or "Lambton Quay farmer" - but for National MPs they will
often have a residence on their farm from which to do electorate work.
We know that he lived on a farm for the year before he became MP for
Wallace; do you know if he "farmed" after finishing his degrees before
he joined Treasury in 1987?
Yeah, 'cos if Bill English was a "Queen St farmer" he'd be up to this, eh?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/76855785/bill-english-wants-to-share-his-shearing-skills-with-ewe.html
Can you stop making a dick of yourself for even one day, Dickbot?
We knew that he grew up on a farm.
Your argument is not assisted by
personal abuse - is that just a cover up for not being able to answer
the question? Do you know if he "farmed" after finishing his degrees
before he joined Treasury in 1987?
On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 08:58:28 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:It would certainly be enough for fair competence. Many people spent
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 11:32:31 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 08:26:47 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 02:00:38 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
English was a farmer. Everyone knows that.
Well, almost everyone it seems...
Yes Holyoake was a farmer too. Some such farmers are called a "Queen
St farmer"or "Lambton Quay farmer" - but for National MPs they will
often have a residence on their farm from which to do electorate work.
We know that he lived on a farm for the year before he became MP for
Wallace; do you know if he "farmed" after finishing his degrees before
he joined Treasury in 1987?
Yeah, 'cos if Bill English was a "Queen St farmer" he'd be up to this, eh? >> >
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/76855785/bill-english-wants-to-share-his-shearing-skills-with-ewe.html
Can you stop making a dick of yourself for even one day, Dickbot?
We knew that he grew up on a farm.
Not just grew up on a farm. You wouldn't acquire those skills just by growing up on a farm.
Personal abuse as a substitute for rational and polite discourse isYour argument is not assisted by
personal abuse - is that just a cover up for not being able to answer
the question? Do you know if he "farmed" after finishing his degrees
before he joined Treasury in 1987?
It's irrelevant. You were trying to insinuate that English hadn't worked a real farming job. As demonstrated by his excellent shearing skills, he clearly has done significant work.
Now I know you are too lazy or stupid to google this yourself, but it took me about 10 seconds to find this:He later gained degrees in commerce (at the University of Otago, where he was a
"Early life
English was born in the small Southland town of Lumsden. He attended St. Patrick's College, Silverstream in Wellington as a boarder and became Head Boy.
I assume you are too dumb to do the math, but I estimate from the above that he spent about 4 or 5 years farming before starting in Wellington.Why would you assume anyone is dumb? You admit you are guessing. How
Please try to stop making a dick of yourself. This is not personal abuse. It is personal advise.That should be 'advice' - does that make you a "dick"?
I'm not so sure about Robbo's effectiveness. As shadow finance spokesperson, he's never managed to make an impact on Bill English. But worse, he's got the same issue most of Labour's shadow cabinet carry - he's never had a "real" job.
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 02:00:38 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
English was a farmer. Everyone knows that.
Well, almost everyone it seems...
Yes Holyoake was a farmer too. Some such farmers are called a "Queen
St farmer"or "Lambton Quay farmer" - but for National MPs they will
often have a residence on their farm from which to do electorate work.
We know that he lived on a farm for the year before he became MP for
Wallace; do you know if he "farmed" after finishing his degrees before
he joined Treasury in 1987?
On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 08:26:47 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 02:00:38 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
English was a farmer. Everyone knows that.
Well, almost everyone it seems...
Yes Holyoake was a farmer too. Some such farmers are called a "Queen
St farmer"or "Lambton Quay farmer" - but for National MPs they will
often have a residence on their farm from which to do electorate work.
We know that he lived on a farm for the year before he became MP for
Wallace; do you know if he "farmed" after finishing his degrees before
he joined Treasury in 1987?
Yeah, 'cos if Bill English was a "Queen St farmer" he'd be up to this, eh?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/76855785/bill-english-wants-to-share-his-shearing-skills-with-ewe.html
Can you stop making a dick of yourself for even one day, Dickbot?
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 12:31:08 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 08:58:28 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:It would certainly be enough for fair competence. Many people spent
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 11:32:31 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 08:26:47 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 02:00:38 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>> >> wrote:
English was a farmer. Everyone knows that.
Well, almost everyone it seems...
Yes Holyoake was a farmer too. Some such farmers are called a "Queen
St farmer"or "Lambton Quay farmer" - but for National MPs they will
often have a residence on their farm from which to do electorate
work.
We know that he lived on a farm for the year before he became MP for
Wallace; do you know if he "farmed" after finishing his degrees
before
he joined Treasury in 1987?
Yeah, 'cos if Bill English was a "Queen St farmer" he'd be up to this,
eh?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/76855785/bill-english-wants-to-share-his-shearing-skills-with-ewe.html
Can you stop making a dick of yourself for even one day, Dickbot?
We knew that he grew up on a farm.
Not just grew up on a farm. You wouldn't acquire those skills just by >>growing up on a farm.
holidays on a farm and learnt quite a bit - and some became farmers themselves.
Personal abuse as a substitute for rational and polite discourse isYour argument is not assisted by
personal abuse - is that just a cover up for not being able to answer
the question? Do you know if he "farmed" after finishing his degrees
before he joined Treasury in 1987?
It's irrelevant. You were trying to insinuate that English hadn't worked a >>real farming job. As demonstrated by his excellent shearing skills, he >>clearly has done significant work.
never irrrelevant. Working at a real farming job may apply to farm
labourers as well as farmers.
Now I know you are too lazy or stupid to google this yourself, but it took >>me about 10 seconds to find this:Why would you assume anyone is dumb? You admit you are guessing. How
"Early life
English was born in the small Southland town of Lumsden. He attended St. >>Patrick's College, Silverstream in Wellington as a boarder and became Head >>Boy. He later gained degrees in commerce (at the University of Otago,
where he was a resident at Selwyn College) and in English literature (at >>Victoria University of Wellington). After completing his university >>studies, he went to Dipton to work as a farmer. In 1987 he returned to >>Wellington to work as a policy analyst in the New Zealand Treasury, >>returning to Dipton two years later."
I assume you are too dumb to do the math, but I estimate from the above >>that he spent about 4 or 5 years farming before starting in Wellington.
do you know that he did not work at a different job during some of
that time? Working for a farmer does not necessarily make you a farmer
of course.
Assuming the degrees took him 5 years, then 4 years of other work,
most probably on a farm, is likely, but you have not provided any
evidence of that - together with the year spent preparing to become an
MP that would give your 5 years, but it is of course guesswork
Please try to stop making a dick of yourself. This is not personal abuse. >>It is personal advise.That should be 'advice' - does that make you a "dick"?
My original query was in the contect of this:
I'm not so sure about Robbo's effectiveness. As shadow finance >>spokesperson, he's never managed to make an impact on Bill English. But >>worse, he's got the same issue most of Labour's shadow cabinet carry -
he's never had a "real" job.
To which I asked:
"Do tell - what was Bill English's "real" job?"
A realistic answer is that his "real job" is that of poilitician - he
spent more time as a university student and policy analyst than he did
at farming, although he continued to own a farm for quite a few years.
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 12:31:08 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>eh?
wrote:
On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 08:58:28 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 11:32:31 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 08:26:47 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 02:00:38 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >> >> wrote:
English was a farmer. Everyone knows that.
Well, almost everyone it seems...
Yes Holyoake was a farmer too. Some such farmers are called a "Queen
St farmer"or "Lambton Quay farmer" - but for National MPs they will
often have a residence on their farm from which to do electorate work. >> >> We know that he lived on a farm for the year before he became MP for
Wallace; do you know if he "farmed" after finishing his degrees before >> >> he joined Treasury in 1987?
Yeah, 'cos if Bill English was a "Queen St farmer" he'd be up to this,
growing up on a farm.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/76855785/bill-english-wants-to-share-his-shearing-skills-with-ewe.html
Can you stop making a dick of yourself for even one day, Dickbot?
We knew that he grew up on a farm.
Not just grew up on a farm. You wouldn't acquire those skills just by
It would certainly be enough for fair competence. Many people spentreal farming job. As demonstrated by his excellent shearing skills, he clearly has done significant work.
holidays on a farm and learnt quite a bit - and some became farmers themselves.
Your argument is not assisted by
personal abuse - is that just a cover up for not being able to answer
the question? Do you know if he "farmed" after finishing his degrees
before he joined Treasury in 1987?
It's irrelevant. You were trying to insinuate that English hadn't worked a
Personal abuse as a substitute for rational and polite discourse isme about 10 seconds to find this:
never irrrelevant. Working at a real farming job may apply to farm
labourers as well as farmers.
Now I know you are too lazy or stupid to google this yourself, but it took
Patrick's College, Silverstream in Wellington as a boarder and became Head Boy."Early life
English was born in the small Southland town of Lumsden. He attended St.
he spent about 4 or 5 years farming before starting in Wellington.I assume you are too dumb to do the math, but I estimate from the above that
Why would you assume anyone is dumb? You admit you are guessing. Howis personal advise.
do you know that he did not work at a different job during some of
that time? Working for a farmer does not necessarily make you a farmer
of course.
Assuming the degrees took him 5 years, then 4 years of other work,
most probably on a farm, is likely, but you have not provided any
evidence of that - together with the year spent preparing to become an
MP that would give your 5 years, but it is of course guesswork
Please try to stop making a dick of yourself. This is not personal abuse. It
That should be 'advice' - does that make you a "dick"?he's never managed to make an impact on Bill English. But worse, he's got the same issue most of Labour's shadow cabinet carry - he's never had a "real" job.
My original query was in the contect of this:
I'm not so sure about Robbo's effectiveness. As shadow finance spokesperson,
To which I asked:
"Do tell - what was Bill English's "real" job?"
A realistic answer is that his "real job" is that of poilitician - he
spent more time as a university student and policy analyst than he did
at farming,
although he continued to own a farm for quite a few years.
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 12:31:08 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 08:58:28 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 11:32:31 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 08:26:47 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 02:00:38 -0800 (PST), JohnO
<johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
English was a farmer. Everyone knows that.
Well, almost everyone it seems...
Yes Holyoake was a farmer too. Some such farmers are called a "Queen
St farmer"or "Lambton Quay farmer" - but for National MPs they will
often have a residence on their farm from which to do electorate
work.
We know that he lived on a farm for the year before he became MP for
Wallace; do you know if he "farmed" after finishing his degrees
before
he joined Treasury in 1987?
Yeah, 'cos if Bill English was a "Queen St farmer" he'd be up to this,
eh?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/76855785/bill-english-wants-to-share-his-shearing-skills-with-ewe.html
Can you stop making a dick of yourself for even one day, Dickbot?
We knew that he grew up on a farm.
Not just grew up on a farm. You wouldn't acquire those skills just by >growing up on a farm.It would certainly be enough for fair competence. Many people spent
holidays on a farm and learnt quite a bit - and some became farmers themselves.
Your argument is not assisted by
personal abuse - is that just a cover up for not being able to answer
the question? Do you know if he "farmed" after finishing his degrees
before he joined Treasury in 1987?
It's irrelevant. You were trying to insinuate that English hadn't workedPersonal abuse as a substitute for rational and polite discourse is
a real farming job. As demonstrated by his excellent shearing skills, he >clearly has done significant work.
never irrrelevant. Working at a real farming job may apply to farm
labourers as well as farmers.
Now I know you are too lazy or stupid to google this yourself, but it
took me about 10 seconds to find this:
"Early life
English was born in the small Southland town of Lumsden. He attended St. >Patrick's College, Silverstream in Wellington as a boarder and became
Head Boy. He later gained degrees in commerce (at the University of
Otago, where he was a resident at Selwyn College) and in English
literature (at Victoria University of Wellington). After completing his >university studies, he went to Dipton to work as a farmer. In 1987 he >returned to Wellington to work as a policy analyst in the New Zealand >Treasury, returning to Dipton two years later."
I assume you are too dumb to do the math, but I estimate from the above >that he spent about 4 or 5 years farming before starting in Wellington.Why would you assume anyone is dumb? You admit you are guessing. How
do you know that he did not work at a different job during some of
that time? Working for a farmer does not necessarily make you a farmer
of course.
Assuming the degrees took him 5 years, then 4 years of other work,
most probably on a farm, is likely, but you have not provided any
evidence of that - together with the year spent preparing to become an
MP that would give your 5 years, but it is of course guesswork
Please try to stop making a dick of yourself. This is not personal abuse. >It is personal advise.That should be 'advice' - does that make you a "dick"?
My original query was in the contect of this:
I'm not so sure about Robbo's effectiveness. As shadow finance >spokesperson, he's never managed to make an impact on Bill English. But >worse, he's got the same issue most of Labour's shadow cabinet carry -
he's never had a "real" job.
To which I asked:
"Do tell - what was Bill English's "real" job?"
A realistic answer is that his "real job" is that of poilitician - he
spent more time as a university student and policy analyst than he did
at farming,
although he continued to own a farm for quite a few years.
On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 10:36:07 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:He later gained degrees in commerce (at the University of Otago, where he was a
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 12:31:08 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 08:58:28 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:It would certainly be enough for fair competence. Many people spent
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 11:32:31 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 08:26:47 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 02:00:38 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >> >> >> wrote:
English was a farmer. Everyone knows that.
Well, almost everyone it seems...
Yes Holyoake was a farmer too. Some such farmers are called a "Queen >> >> >> St farmer"or "Lambton Quay farmer" - but for National MPs they will
often have a residence on their farm from which to do electorate work. >> >> >> We know that he lived on a farm for the year before he became MP for >> >> >> Wallace; do you know if he "farmed" after finishing his degrees before >> >> >> he joined Treasury in 1987?
Yeah, 'cos if Bill English was a "Queen St farmer" he'd be up to this, eh?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/76855785/bill-english-wants-to-share-his-shearing-skills-with-ewe.html
Can you stop making a dick of yourself for even one day, Dickbot?
We knew that he grew up on a farm.
Not just grew up on a farm. You wouldn't acquire those skills just by growing up on a farm.
holidays on a farm and learnt quite a bit - and some became farmers
themselves.
Personal abuse as a substitute for rational and polite discourse isYour argument is not assisted by
personal abuse - is that just a cover up for not being able to answer
the question? Do you know if he "farmed" after finishing his degrees
before he joined Treasury in 1987?
It's irrelevant. You were trying to insinuate that English hadn't worked a real farming job. As demonstrated by his excellent shearing skills, he clearly has done significant work.
never irrrelevant. Working at a real farming job may apply to farm
labourers as well as farmers.
Now I know you are too lazy or stupid to google this yourself, but it took me about 10 seconds to find this:
"Early life
English was born in the small Southland town of Lumsden. He attended St. Patrick's College, Silverstream in Wellington as a boarder and became Head Boy.
Why would you assume anyone is dumb? You admit you are guessing. How
I assume you are too dumb to do the math, but I estimate from the above that he spent about 4 or 5 years farming before starting in Wellington.
do you know that he did not work at a different job during some of
that time? Working for a farmer does not necessarily make you a farmer
of course.
Assuming the degrees took him 5 years, then 4 years of other work,
most probably on a farm, is likely, but you have not provided any
evidence of that - together with the year spent preparing to become an
MP that would give your 5 years, but it is of course guesswork
Please try to stop making a dick of yourself. This is not personal abuse. It is personal advise.That should be 'advice' - does that make you a "dick"?
My original query was in the contect of this:
I'm not so sure about Robbo's effectiveness. As shadow finance spokesperson, he's never managed to make an impact on Bill English. But worse, he's got the same issue most of Labour's shadow cabinet carry - he's never had a "real" job.
To which I asked:
"Do tell - what was Bill English's "real" job?"
Farming.
A realistic answer is that his "real job" is that of poilitician - he
spent more time as a university student and policy analyst than he did
at farming,
So now you do admit he was farming, so why elsewhere are you still asking stupid questions?
although he continued to own a farm for quite a few years.
Irrelevant.
All you do, Dickbot, by continuing to argue that black is white, is reinforce the impression that you cannot tell the truth and will die in a ditch defendingyou obvious lies.
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 15:02:55 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com><johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 10:36:07 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 12:31:08 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 08:58:28 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 11:32:31 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >> >> wrote:
On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 08:26:47 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 02:00:38 -0800 (PST), JohnO
work.wrote:
English was a farmer. Everyone knows that.
Well, almost everyone it seems...
Yes Holyoake was a farmer too. Some such farmers are called a "Queen >> >> >> St farmer"or "Lambton Quay farmer" - but for National MPs they will >> >> >> often have a residence on their farm from which to do electorate
beforeWe know that he lived on a farm for the year before he became MP for >> >> >> Wallace; do you know if he "farmed" after finishing his degrees
eh?he joined Treasury in 1987?
Yeah, 'cos if Bill English was a "Queen St farmer" he'd be up to this,
growing up on a farm.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/76855785/bill-english-wants-to-share-his-shearing-skills-with-ewe.html
Can you stop making a dick of yourself for even one day, Dickbot?
We knew that he grew up on a farm.
Not just grew up on a farm. You wouldn't acquire those skills just by
a real farming job. As demonstrated by his excellent shearing skills, he clearly has done significant work.It would certainly be enough for fair competence. Many people spent
holidays on a farm and learnt quite a bit - and some became farmers
themselves.
Your argument is not assisted by
personal abuse - is that just a cover up for not being able to answer >> >> the question? Do you know if he "farmed" after finishing his degrees
before he joined Treasury in 1987?
It's irrelevant. You were trying to insinuate that English hadn't worked
took me about 10 seconds to find this:Personal abuse as a substitute for rational and polite discourse is
never irrrelevant. Working at a real farming job may apply to farm
labourers as well as farmers.
Now I know you are too lazy or stupid to google this yourself, but it
Patrick's College, Silverstream in Wellington as a boarder and became Head Boy.
"Early life
English was born in the small Southland town of Lumsden. He attended St.
that he spent about 4 or 5 years farming before starting in Wellington.
I assume you are too dumb to do the math, but I estimate from the above
It is personal advise.Why would you assume anyone is dumb? You admit you are guessing. How
do you know that he did not work at a different job during some of
that time? Working for a farmer does not necessarily make you a farmer
of course.
Assuming the degrees took him 5 years, then 4 years of other work,
most probably on a farm, is likely, but you have not provided any
evidence of that - together with the year spent preparing to become an
MP that would give your 5 years, but it is of course guesswork
Please try to stop making a dick of yourself. This is not personal abuse.
spokesperson, he's never managed to make an impact on Bill English. But worse, he's got the same issue most of Labour's shadow cabinet carry - he's never had a "real" job.That should be 'advice' - does that make you a "dick"?
My original query was in the contect of this:
I'm not so sure about Robbo's effectiveness. As shadow finance
stupid questions?
To which I asked:
"Do tell - what was Bill English's "real" job?"
Farming.
A realistic answer is that his "real job" is that of poilitician - he
spent more time as a university student and policy analyst than he did
at farming,
So now you do admit he was farming, so why elsewhere are you still asking
Being a farm worker is not quite the same as being a farmer . . .
although he continued to own a farm for quite a few years.
Irrelevant.
No it is not. The biggest farm owners in New Zealand are now likely to
be Candian, American and Chinese corporations - the farmers are the
New Zealand resident managers who work for them.
reinforce the impression that you cannot tell the truth and will die in a ditchAll you do, Dickbot, by continuing to argue that black is white, is
It appears you cannot see shades of meaning JohnO - but you have
moderated your earlier statemetn that he "was a farmer" - he worked in farming for about as long as he was a policy analyst at Treasury - hs
real job for most of his life is being a politician.
On 14/02/2016 3:45 p.m., Tony wrote:I have given you more than a day to mend your ways Fred. Are you OK now?
Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:Yes, of course. Silly me. I'll crawl back under my rock.
On 14/02/2016 9:25 a.m., Rich80105 wrote:Fred, oh ye of littel (no pun intended) faith!
I wonder what you'll have to say in the extremely likely event thathttp://www.cbsnews.com/news/speaker-ryan-not-enough-votes-for-tpp-trade-deal/
Note that the concerns are not about trade:
"But there are still major concerns about the deal inside and out of
Congress, including a carve-out that will prevent tobacco companies
from suing nations with regulations aimed at reducing smoking,
intellectual property issues relating to biologics, and some
provisions dealing with dairy and financial services. There are also
still major concerns among labor groups about whether the labor
standards are up to snuff."
Little's replacement (imminent) will support the TPPA!
Rich will continue to see both sides of any and all arguments resulting in an
unbiased and well thought through response, devoid of any personal attacks! >> Tony
Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 14/02/2016 3:45 p.m., Tony wrote:I have given you more than a day to mend your ways Fred. Are you OK now?
Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:Yes, of course. Silly me. I'll crawl back under my rock.
On 14/02/2016 9:25 a.m., Rich80105 wrote:Fred, oh ye of littel (no pun intended) faith!
I wonder what you'll have to say in the extremely likely event that
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/speaker-ryan-not-enough-votes-for-tpp-trade-deal/
Note that the concerns are not about trade:
"But there are still major concerns about the deal inside and out of >>>>> Congress, including a carve-out that will prevent tobacco companies
from suing nations with regulations aimed at reducing smoking,
intellectual property issues relating to biologics, and some
provisions dealing with dairy and financial services. There are also >>>>> still major concerns among labor groups about whether the labor
standards are up to snuff."
Little's replacement (imminent) will support the TPPA!
Rich will continue to see both sides of any and all arguments resulting in an
unbiased and well thought through response, devoid of any personal attacks! >>> Tony
Tony
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