• Another demonstration of Green Party incompetence

    From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Thursday, July 28, 2016 15:53:59
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/82572047/Greens-plans-to-wade-into-river-pollution-issue-curbed-for-safety-reasons

    So they plan a publicity stunt in a river that they consider to be an example of how bad NZ rivers are.

    Only this river has only been deemed unsafe for swimming once in three years of
    testing and 289 tests! And that testing takes place directly down stream of a sewerage treatment plant and the one failed test was right after a heavy ran storm.

    Coming on the tails of Material's idiotic "destroy homeowner wealth" announcement and you can see that Labour have chained themselves to an anchor and thrown it overboard.

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Friday, July 29, 2016 11:23:30
    On Thu, 28 Jul 2016 15:53:59 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/82572047/Greens-plans-to-wade-into-river-pollution-issue-curbed-for-safety-reasons

    So they plan a publicity stunt in a river that they consider to be an example of how bad NZ rivers are.

    They were prevented from wading in a river because it was too
    polluted, JohnO - what do you think should be done to ensure that
    rivers meet the standards that our government has set?


    Only this river has only been deemed unsafe for swimming once in three years of testing and 289 tests! And that testing takes place directly down stream of a sewerage treatment plant and the one failed test was right after a heavy ran storm.

    Cite?

    Coming on the tails of Material's idiotic "destroy homeowner wealth" announcement and you can see that Labour have chained themselves to an anchor and thrown it overboard.
    Who is "Material"? Or are you implyng that the demonstration was about
    a material issue?

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Thursday, July 28, 2016 17:35:02
    On Friday, 29 July 2016 11:23:36 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 28 Jul 2016 15:53:59 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/82572047/Greens-plans-to-wade-into-river-pollution-issue-curbed-for-safety-reasons

    So they plan a publicity stunt in a river that they consider to be an
    example of how bad NZ rivers are.

    They were prevented from wading in a river because it was too
    polluted, JohnO

    WHAT? No they were not!

    "Greens co-leader Metiria Turei and a cohort of college students decided not to
    brave icy conditions in the Ruamahanga River after heavy rainfall made it swollen and dangerous"

    So... did you just post without reading because you are lazy, or because you are stupid and can't read, or did you just make up a blatant lie? I would put money on the latter given your history here.

    - what do you think should be done to ensure that
    rivers meet the standards that our government has set?

    If you want to change the subject start another thread.


    Only this river has only been deemed unsafe for swimming once in three years
    of testing and 289 tests! And that testing takes place directly down stream of a sewerage treatment plant and the one failed test was right after a heavy ran storm.

    Cite?

    I already did in the original post, you irredeemably dense little moron. Can't you read?


    Coming on the tails of Material's idiotic "destroy homeowner wealth"
    announcement and you can see that Labour have chained themselves to an anchor and thrown it overboard.
    Who is "Material"?

    Metiria "Material" Turei. You know, the one who's so out of touch she whines about the poor while living in a castle and wearing $2000 designer jackets.

    Or are you implyng that the demonstration was about
    a material issue?

    No, but you are demonstrating something here that's for sure.

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  • From Dave Doe@3:770/3 to All on Friday, July 29, 2016 14:05:14
    In article <82c226b0-c8e8-4089-b59d-5600d2bf163a@googlegroups.com>, johno1234@gmail.com, JohnO says...

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/82572047/Greens-plans-to-wade-int o-river-pollution-issue-curbed-for-safety-reasons

    So they plan a publicity stunt in a river that they consider to be an
    example of how bad NZ rivers are.

    Only this river has only been deemed unsafe for swimming once in three
    years of testing and 289 tests! And that testing takes place directly
    down stream of a sewerage treatment plant and the one failed test was
    right after a heavy ran storm.

    Coming on the tails of Material's idiotic "destroy homeowner wealth" announcement and you can see that Labour have chained themselves to an
    anchor and thrown it overboard.

    I guess slightly OT, but well worth a read is Mike Joy's book, Polluted Inheritance - New Zealand's Freshwater Crisis.

    It's only about $5.

    For example...
    "
    Weak targets
    Its response to the freshwater crisis was to develop new policy and
    legislation euphemistically labelled ?A Fresh Start for Freshwater?. In
    2011 a National Policy Statement (NPS) was finally enacted, almost two
    decades late (NPSs were supposed to be in place soon after the RMA took
    effect in the early 1990s). In 2013?14, supporting guidelines ? the
    National Objectives Framework (NOF) ? were implemented. This framework
    is designed to provide limits and numbers with the specific goal of
    achieving the purposes of the NPS.2
    The narrative of the NPS for freshwater raises ambitious expectations
    for maintaining or improving freshwater quality, but the numbers and
    limits prescribed in the NOF are insufficient to achieve them. Rather,
    they allow for still greater deterioration.3 Most of the parameters
    previously used to measure the health of freshwaters are not included in
    the NOF.4 Instead of supporting the NPS to achieve its goals, it does
    the opposite, permitting further deterioration of our freshwater.5
    For instance, the NOF includes only one of the two critical nutrients ? nitrogen ? and revealingly allows for new nitrogen loads ten times
    greater than previous guidelines, extending even the limits currently
    used by many regional councils. Whereas preceding ANZECC guidelines
    allowed for levels up to 0.61 mg/l,6 the new bottom-line is 6.9 mg/l.
    The NOF also implements new quality bands ? A, B, C and a fail level. To
    show just how lax they are, fewer than 1 per cent of the rivers in New
    Zealand would breach the new bottom line. In fact, most of them, no
    matter how laden with nutrients, still score an A or B.7
    Comparison with other countries shows how feeble these limits are. Some
    of the world?s most nutrient-polluted rivers ? the Yangtze, for
    instance,and the Mississippi ? would, under our government?s new
    ranking, score a B. NIWA?s map of nitrate levels reveals that most of
    New Zealand?s lowland rivers already exceed ANZECC limits.8 The
    weakening of quality thresholds in the NPS appears to be a purely
    political response. The government has shifted the goalposts in order to
    make our freshwater look healthier than it is, effectively making the
    current state of rivers the baseline.
    "

    --
    Duncan.

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  • From george152@3:770/3 to JohnO on Friday, July 29, 2016 14:17:19
    On 7/29/2016 12:35 PM, JohnO wrote:

    WHAT? No they were not!

    "Greens co-leader Metiria Turei and a cohort of college students decided not
    to brave icy conditions in the Ruamahanga River after heavy rainfall made it swollen and dangerous"

    So... did you just post without reading because you are lazy, or because you
    are stupid and can't read, or did you just make up a blatant lie? I would put money on the latter given your history here.


    If you want to change the subject start another thread.



    I already did in the original post, you irredeemably dense little moron.
    Can't you read?


    Metiria "Material" Turei. You know, the one who's so out of touch she whines
    about the poor while living in a castle and wearing $2000 designer jackets.


    No, but you are demonstrating something here that's for sure.

    Detwitted message

    I was a shepherd on a station back in the early 60s that had the
    Ruamahanga as one of its boundaries.

    The tubby one picked the wrong river and, even had she waddled in the
    river mouth, it would have still passed any of their 'pollution' nonsense. Well, once she had stopped wading !

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  • From Liberty@3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Friday, July 29, 2016 23:10:59
    On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 11:23:30 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 28 Jul 2016 15:53:59 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/82572047/Greens-plans-to-wade-into-river-pollution-issue-curbed-for-safety-reasons

    So they plan a publicity stunt in a river that they consider to be an example
    of how bad NZ rivers are.

    They were prevented from wading in a river because it was too
    polluted, JohnO - what do you think should be done to ensure that
    rivers meet the standards that our government has set?

    The great unwashed didn't want to get wet.


    Only this river has only been deemed unsafe for swimming once in three years of testing and 289 tests! And that testing takes place directly down stream of
    a sewerage treatment plant and the one failed test was right after a heavy ran
    storm.

    Cite?
    Try reading the news paper dickhead


    Coming on the tails of Material's idiotic "destroy homeowner wealth" announcement and you can see that Labour have chained themselves to an anchor and thrown it overboard.
    Who is "Material"? Or are you implyng that the demonstration was about
    a material issue?

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to JohnO on Friday, August 05, 2016 14:29:00
    On 29/07/2016 10:53 a.m., JohnO wrote:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/82572047/Greens-plans-to-wade-into-river-pollution-issue-curbed-for-safety-reasons

    So they plan a publicity stunt in a river that they consider to be an example
    of how bad NZ rivers are.

    Only this river has only been deemed unsafe for swimming once in three years
    of testing and 289 tests! And that testing takes place directly down stream of a sewerage treatment plant and the one failed test was right after a heavy ran storm.

    Coming on the tails of Material's idiotic "destroy homeowner wealth"
    announcement and you can see that Labour have chained themselves to an anchor and thrown it overboard.

    Labour has yet ANOTHER anchor? wasn't angry Andy good enough to slow
    them down?

    Pooh

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