• An Explanation

    From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, July 19, 2016 10:09:05
    Housing and Monetarism
    by Brian Easton
    The Reserve Bank cannot deliver affordable housing by itself. Its
    actions have to be coordinated with the government's. Unfortunately
    the monetarist framework of the Reserve Bank Act obscures this.

    The tensions between the Reserve Bank and the Government over housing
    policy go back to the mistaken economic thinking in the 1989 Reserve
    Bank Act. Monetarism ruled and it is that underlying monetarist
    approach which is creating the tensions.

    I have no quarrel with the governance provisions which gave the
    Reserve Bank independence in the operating of its monetary policies.
    Many commentators, imbued with the tradition of the centralised
    governing of New Zealand, do. They forget the time when Prime Minister
    Muldoon used to ring the Governor secretly telling him what had to do.
    The Prime Minister can still do that, but to have the force of law it
    has to be done by a letter tabled in parliament so that any direction
    is transparent. So while the operating of monetary policy is today the
    preserve of the Reserve Bank, the Government still directs its goal.

    I chose not to make submissions to the select committee considering
    the bill: parliament was not listening to critics of Rogernomics.
    However I checked that the proposed legislation did not rule out what
    in my, and others�, opinion is the primary function of a central bank
    � to maintain order in money markets. Fortunately there was a clause
    which allowed the Reserve Bank to take action, in tandem with the
    Treasury, to settle the New Zealand money markets as they went into
    turmoil during the Global Financial Crisis. Other central banks did
    too, implementing policies which are difficult to justify in a
    monetarist framework.

    My objection to the Act was the requirement that the Reserve Bank be responsible for price stability. This has (at least) three implicit assumptions.

    First, it assumed the notion of price stability can be rigorously
    defined. In fact an economy has numerous prices, many of which do not
    move together. Currently house prices are on quite a different
    trajectory to that of the majority of consumer prices. I�ll come back
    to that, but share prices, land prices and the exchange rate all move differently too (as does do tradeable prices from non-tradeable
    prices).

    Second, there is the assumption that monetary policy can target
    effectively any chosen price index. The fact of the matter is that
    throughout the world central banks, including the RBNZ, have been
    unable to prevent the current world disinflation � falling or
    excessively low increases in prices. Monetary policy has only some
    effect and it is heavy handed or slow or even ineffective.

    Third, the Reserve Bank Act assumes that effective monetary policy can
    be run independently of fiscal and other government economic policies.
    We shall see it cannot.

    (I read the official papers which backgrounded the Act. Not one
    addressed these issues. The papers simply took the monetarist approach
    which assumed that its underlying economics was not problematic. The
    lacuna is reinforced in the recently published history of the Reserve
    Bank which also ignores the issues.)

    The relevance to the current situation is that, first, the RBNZ is,
    rightly, concerned with (at least) two kinds of price inflation �
    consumer prices and housing prices (which threaten the long-term
    sustainability of the economy). Second, it can use monetary policy to
    target one or the other but not both, so it has been hunting around
    for ad hoc instruments (like loan-to-value ratios) to target the
    other. Third, its interventions are going to be ineffective unless
    they are supported by other policy settings which are the direct
    responsibility of the government. These include contributing to
    increasing the supply of housing, say by building more itself;
    reducing the demand by an effective capital gains tax and easing back migration.

    Altogether this means that the RBNZ cannot adequately restrain house
    prices as long as it is also concerned with consumer prices. If it
    were directed to primarily target housing prices, its impact would be
    high interest rates, a brutal deflation and a long time to be
    effective, especially if the government did not play its part.

    For reasons which partly reflect a monetarist ideology and partly
    because any effective decision is politically uncomfortable, this
    government is unwilling to play. The Reserve Bank Act becomes a nice
    little excuse for it doing hardly anything except facilitating the
    private supplyside, thereby avoiding uncomfortable policies (in the
    short term).

    Meanwhile, that epitome of politeness, the Governor of the Reserve
    Bank, has indicated that the government has to take more
    responsibility for the unsatisfactory state of the housing market.
    Hence the tension between the Governor's and the Prime Minister's pronouncements.

    Just to be clear, there is nothing in this column�s analysis which
    would upset an orthodox economist. Monetarism is not nearly as popular
    among them as it is among do-nothing politicians and pop-commentators.

    http://pundit.co.nz/content/housing-and-monetarism

    _____________________

    There are actions which the government can take, but they are wedded
    to "the market (or someone else) will solve all problems". Labour, the
    Greens and NZ FIrst are all (with different emphases) calling for
    increased restrictions on immigration, doing something about taxing
    capital gains, and just building some houses (instead of selling
    them). Action is not someting National want to do - too many donors
    are tied up with the current market distortions.

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Monday, July 18, 2016 15:46:28
    On Tuesday, 19 July 2016 10:09:20 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    Housing and Monetarism
    by Brian Easton
    The Reserve Bank cannot deliver affordable housing by itself. Its
    actions have to be coordinated with the government's. Unfortunately
    the monetarist framework of the Reserve Bank Act obscures this.

    The tensions between the Reserve Bank and the Government over housing
    policy go back to the mistaken economic thinking in the 1989 Reserve
    Bank Act. Monetarism ruled and it is that underlying monetarist
    approach which is creating the tensions.

    I have no quarrel with the governance provisions which gave the
    Reserve Bank independence in the operating of its monetary policies.
    Many commentators, imbued with the tradition of the centralised
    governing of New Zealand, do. They forget the time when Prime Minister Muldoon used to ring the Governor secretly telling him what had to do.
    The Prime Minister can still do that, but to have the force of law it
    has to be done by a letter tabled in parliament so that any direction
    is transparent. So while the operating of monetary policy is today the preserve of the Reserve Bank, the Government still directs its goal.

    I chose not to make submissions to the select committee considering
    the bill: parliament was not listening to critics of Rogernomics.
    However I checked that the proposed legislation did not rule out what
    in my, and others’, opinion is the primary function of a central bank
    – to maintain order in money markets. Fortunately there was a clause
    which allowed the Reserve Bank to take action, in tandem with the
    Treasury, to settle the New Zealand money markets as they went into
    turmoil during the Global Financial Crisis. Other central banks did
    too, implementing policies which are difficult to justify in a
    monetarist framework.

    My objection to the Act was the requirement that the Reserve Bank be responsible for price stability. This has (at least) three implicit assumptions.

    First, it assumed the notion of price stability can be rigorously
    defined. In fact an economy has numerous prices, many of which do not
    move together. Currently house prices are on quite a different
    trajectory to that of the majority of consumer prices. I’ll come back
    to that, but share prices, land prices and the exchange rate all move differently too (as does do tradeable prices from non-tradeable
    prices).

    Second, there is the assumption that monetary policy can target
    effectively any chosen price index. The fact of the matter is that
    throughout the world central banks, including the RBNZ, have been
    unable to prevent the current world disinflation – falling or
    excessively low increases in prices. Monetary policy has only some
    effect and it is heavy handed or slow or even ineffective.

    Third, the Reserve Bank Act assumes that effective monetary policy can
    be run independently of fiscal and other government economic policies.
    We shall see it cannot.

    (I read the official papers which backgrounded the Act. Not one
    addressed these issues. The papers simply took the monetarist approach
    which assumed that its underlying economics was not problematic. The
    lacuna is reinforced in the recently published history of the Reserve
    Bank which also ignores the issues.)

    The relevance to the current situation is that, first, the RBNZ is,
    rightly, concerned with (at least) two kinds of price inflation –
    consumer prices and housing prices (which threaten the long-term sustainability of the economy). Second, it can use monetary policy to
    target one or the other but not both, so it has been hunting around
    for ad hoc instruments (like loan-to-value ratios) to target the
    other. Third, its interventions are going to be ineffective unless
    they are supported by other policy settings which are the direct responsibility of the government. These include contributing to
    increasing the supply of housing, say by building more itself;
    reducing the demand by an effective capital gains tax and easing back migration.

    Altogether this means that the RBNZ cannot adequately restrain house
    prices as long as it is also concerned with consumer prices. If it
    were directed to primarily target housing prices, its impact would be
    high interest rates, a brutal deflation and a long time to be
    effective, especially if the government did not play its part.

    For reasons which partly reflect a monetarist ideology and partly
    because any effective decision is politically uncomfortable, this
    government is unwilling to play. The Reserve Bank Act becomes a nice
    little excuse for it doing hardly anything except facilitating the
    private supplyside, thereby avoiding uncomfortable policies (in the
    short term).

    Meanwhile, that epitome of politeness, the Governor of the Reserve
    Bank, has indicated that the government has to take more
    responsibility for the unsatisfactory state of the housing market.
    Hence the tension between the Governor's and the Prime Minister's pronouncements.

    Just to be clear, there is nothing in this column’s analysis which
    would upset an orthodox economist. Monetarism is not nearly as popular
    among them as it is among do-nothing politicians and pop-commentators.

    http://pundit.co.nz/content/housing-and-monetarism

    _____________________

    There are actions which the government can take, but they are wedded
    to "the market (or someone else) will solve all problems". Labour, the
    Greens and NZ FIrst are all (with different emphases) calling for
    increased restrictions on immigration, doing something about taxing
    capital gains, and just building some houses (instead of selling
    them). Action is not someting National want to do - too many donors
    are tied up with the current market distortions.

    Easton is true to his lefty roots: suggesting that the government build houses.
    What makes him think the government can magic up the land to build these houses
    any better than the private sector? It still comes down to supply of land to build them on,
    followed by supply of builders to build them. Neither are created by waving the
    statist wand.

    As to immigration... does he know that one of the largest contributors to net immigration is the turnaround of Kiwis leaving to Australia into Kiwis coming home? Not much can be done about that.

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  • From Anymouse@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, July 19, 2016 13:14:42
    Rich80105 wrote:

    Housing and Monetarism
    by Brian Easton
    The Reserve Bank cannot deliver affordable housing by itself. Its
    actions have to be coordinated with the government's. Unfortunately
    the monetarist framework of the Reserve Bank Act obscures this.

    The tensions between the Reserve Bank and the Government over housing
    policy go back to the mistaken economic thinking in the 1989 Reserve
    Bank Act. Monetarism ruled and it is that underlying monetarist
    approach which is creating the tensions.

    I have no quarrel with the governance provisions which gave the
    Reserve Bank independence in the operating of its monetary policies.
    Many commentators, imbued with the tradition of the centralised
    governing of New Zealand, do. They forget the time when Prime Minister Muldoon used to ring the Governor secretly telling him what had to do.
    The Prime Minister can still do that, but to have the force of law it
    has to be done by a letter tabled in parliament so that any direction
    is transparent. So while the operating of monetary policy is today the preserve of the Reserve Bank, the Government still directs its goal.

    I chose not to make submissions to the select committee considering
    the bill: parliament was not listening to critics of Rogernomics.
    However I checked that the proposed legislation did not rule out what
    in my, and others’, opinion is the primary function of a central bank
    – to maintain order in money markets. Fortunately there was a clause
    which allowed the Reserve Bank to take action, in tandem with the
    Treasury, to settle the New Zealand money markets as they went into
    turmoil during the Global Financial Crisis. Other central banks did
    too, implementing policies which are difficult to justify in a
    monetarist framework.

    My objection to the Act was the requirement that the Reserve Bank be responsible for price stability. This has (at least) three implicit assumptions.

    First, it assumed the notion of price stability can be rigorously
    defined. In fact an economy has numerous prices, many of which do not
    move together. Currently house prices are on quite a different
    trajectory to that of the majority of consumer prices. I’ll come back
    to that, but share prices, land prices and the exchange rate all move differently too (as does do tradeable prices from non-tradeable
    prices).

    Second, there is the assumption that monetary policy can target
    effectively any chosen price index. The fact of the matter is that
    throughout the world central banks, including the RBNZ, have been
    unable to prevent the current world disinflation – falling or
    excessively low increases in prices. Monetary policy has only some
    effect and it is heavy handed or slow or even ineffective.

    Third, the Reserve Bank Act assumes that effective monetary policy can
    be run independently of fiscal and other government economic policies.
    We shall see it cannot.

    (I read the official papers which backgrounded the Act. Not one
    addressed these issues. The papers simply took the monetarist approach
    which assumed that its underlying economics was not problematic. The
    lacuna is reinforced in the recently published history of the Reserve
    Bank which also ignores the issues.)

    The relevance to the current situation is that, first, the RBNZ is,
    rightly, concerned with (at least) two kinds of price inflation –
    consumer prices and housing prices (which threaten the long-term sustainability of the economy). Second, it can use monetary policy to
    target one or the other but not both, so it has been hunting around
    for ad hoc instruments (like loan-to-value ratios) to target the
    other. Third, its interventions are going to be ineffective unless
    they are supported by other policy settings which are the direct responsibility of the government. These include contributing to
    increasing the supply of housing, say by building more itself;
    reducing the demand by an effective capital gains tax and easing back migration.

    Altogether this means that the RBNZ cannot adequately restrain house
    prices as long as it is also concerned with consumer prices. If it
    were directed to primarily target housing prices, its impact would be
    high interest rates, a brutal deflation and a long time to be
    effective, especially if the government did not play its part.

    For reasons which partly reflect a monetarist ideology and partly
    because any effective decision is politically uncomfortable, this
    government is unwilling to play. The Reserve Bank Act becomes a nice
    little excuse for it doing hardly anything except facilitating the
    private supplyside, thereby avoiding uncomfortable policies (in the
    short term).

    Meanwhile, that epitome of politeness, the Governor of the Reserve
    Bank, has indicated that the government has to take more
    responsibility for the unsatisfactory state of the housing market.
    Hence the tension between the Governor's and the Prime Minister's pronouncements.

    Just to be clear, there is nothing in this column’s analysis which
    would upset an orthodox economist. Monetarism is not nearly as popular
    among them as it is among do-nothing politicians and pop-commentators.

    http://pundit.co.nz/content/housing-and-monetarism

    _____________________

    There are actions which the government can take, but they are wedded
    to "the market (or someone else) will solve all problems". Labour, the
    Greens and NZ FIrst are all (with different emphases) calling for
    increased restrictions on immigration, doing something about taxing
    capital gains, and just building some houses (instead of selling
    them). Action is not someting National want to do - too many donors
    are tied up with the current market distortions.

    This is a dishonest article. It is mealy-mouthed about pointing out the
    fact that the 1989 Act of which he complains was a product of the Labour Government, not as he slyly insinuates of Muldoon who had lost office four years earlier.

    Beyond that, he admits that he lacked the courage of his convictions at the time, and didn't do a submission. And now, a quarter of a century later, he wants us to believe his weak convictions of the day should be revisited as immutable.

    Unacceptable.

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  • From Allistar@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, July 19, 2016 12:28:27
    Rich80105 wrote:

    Housing and Monetarism
    by Brian Easton
    The Reserve Bank cannot deliver affordable housing by itself.

    It's not the in the Reserve Bank's purview to deliver affordable housing.

    Its
    actions have to be coordinated with the government's. Unfortunately
    the monetarist framework of the Reserve Bank Act obscures this.

    It's not in the government's purview either.

    [snip]

    _____________________

    There are actions which the government can take, but they are wedded
    to "the market (or someone else) will solve all problems". Labour, the
    Greens and NZ FIrst are all (with different emphases) calling for
    increased restrictions on immigration, doing something about taxing
    capital gains, and just building some houses (instead of selling
    them). Action is not someting National want to do - too many donors
    are tied up with the current market distortions.

    Capital gains on investment property is already taxed (and has been for some time).

    The government should not be building houses, but they should ensure that
    they are not in the way of private citizens who want to.

    People need to get over this fascination with living in Auckland. It's easy
    to see that you'd be better off financially taking a job that pays $30K less
    a year in the regions when you take into account the much lower cost of
    living. You could argue that quality of life would be better too, but that's
    my personal opinion as someone who lived in Auckland for 9 years and has
    been in the Bay of Plenty for more.

    If people struggle to afford a house in Auckland then one solution is to not live in Auckland.
    --
    "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
    creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

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  • From Tony @3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Monday, July 18, 2016 20:50:35
    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    Housing and Monetarism
    by Brian Easton
    The Reserve Bank cannot deliver affordable housing by itself. Its
    actions have to be coordinated with the government's. Unfortunately
    the monetarist framework of the Reserve Bank Act obscures this.

    The tensions between the Reserve Bank and the Government over housing
    policy go back to the mistaken economic thinking in the 1989 Reserve
    Bank Act. Monetarism ruled and it is that underlying monetarist
    approach which is creating the tensions.

    I have no quarrel with the governance provisions which gave the
    Reserve Bank independence in the operating of its monetary policies.
    Many commentators, imbued with the tradition of the centralised
    governing of New Zealand, do. They forget the time when Prime Minister >Muldoon used to ring the Governor secretly telling him what had to do.
    The Prime Minister can still do that, but to have the force of law it
    has to be done by a letter tabled in parliament so that any direction
    is transparent. So while the operating of monetary policy is today the >preserve of the Reserve Bank, the Government still directs its goal.

    I chose not to make submissions to the select committee considering
    the bill: parliament was not listening to critics of Rogernomics.
    However I checked that the proposed legislation did not rule out what
    in my, and others�, opinion is the primary function of a central bank
    � to maintain order in money markets. Fortunately there was a clause
    which allowed the Reserve Bank to take action, in tandem with the
    Treasury, to settle the New Zealand money markets as they went into
    turmoil during the Global Financial Crisis. Other central banks did
    too, implementing policies which are difficult to justify in a
    monetarist framework.

    My objection to the Act was the requirement that the Reserve Bank be >responsible for price stability. This has (at least) three implicit >assumptions.

    First, it assumed the notion of price stability can be rigorously
    defined. In fact an economy has numerous prices, many of which do not
    move together. Currently house prices are on quite a different
    trajectory to that of the majority of consumer prices. I�ll come back
    to that, but share prices, land prices and the exchange rate all move >differently too (as does do tradeable prices from non-tradeable
    prices).

    Second, there is the assumption that monetary policy can target
    effectively any chosen price index. The fact of the matter is that
    throughout the world central banks, including the RBNZ, have been
    unable to prevent the current world disinflation � falling or
    excessively low increases in prices. Monetary policy has only some
    effect and it is heavy handed or slow or even ineffective.

    Third, the Reserve Bank Act assumes that effective monetary policy can
    be run independently of fiscal and other government economic policies.
    We shall see it cannot.

    (I read the official papers which backgrounded the Act. Not one
    addressed these issues. The papers simply took the monetarist approach
    which assumed that its underlying economics was not problematic. The
    lacuna is reinforced in the recently published history of the Reserve
    Bank which also ignores the issues.)

    The relevance to the current situation is that, first, the RBNZ is,
    rightly, concerned with (at least) two kinds of price inflation �
    consumer prices and housing prices (which threaten the long-term >sustainability of the economy). Second, it can use monetary policy to
    target one or the other but not both, so it has been hunting around
    for ad hoc instruments (like loan-to-value ratios) to target the
    other. Third, its interventions are going to be ineffective unless
    they are supported by other policy settings which are the direct >responsibility of the government. These include contributing to
    increasing the supply of housing, say by building more itself;
    reducing the demand by an effective capital gains tax and easing back >migration.

    Altogether this means that the RBNZ cannot adequately restrain house
    prices as long as it is also concerned with consumer prices. If it
    were directed to primarily target housing prices, its impact would be
    high interest rates, a brutal deflation and a long time to be
    effective, especially if the government did not play its part.

    For reasons which partly reflect a monetarist ideology and partly
    because any effective decision is politically uncomfortable, this
    government is unwilling to play. The Reserve Bank Act becomes a nice
    little excuse for it doing hardly anything except facilitating the
    private supplyside, thereby avoiding uncomfortable policies (in the
    short term).

    Meanwhile, that epitome of politeness, the Governor of the Reserve
    Bank, has indicated that the government has to take more
    responsibility for the unsatisfactory state of the housing market.
    Hence the tension between the Governor's and the Prime Minister's >pronouncements.

    Just to be clear, there is nothing in this column�s analysis which
    would upset an orthodox economist. Monetarism is not nearly as popular
    among them as it is among do-nothing politicians and pop-commentators.

    http://pundit.co.nz/content/housing-and-monetarism

    _____________________

    There are actions which the government can take, but they are wedded
    to "the market (or someone else) will solve all problems". Labour, the
    Greens and NZ FIrst are all (with different emphases) calling for
    increased restrictions on immigration, doing something about taxing
    capital gains, and just building some houses (instead of selling
    them). Action is not someting National want to do - too many donors
    are tied up with the current market distortions.
    Other than the last (presumably added) paragraph which is fatuous and not in the same intellectual league as the article, this is a reasoned analysis but at the end of the day it is opinion only. There is no clear suggestion about how to sort out the housing situation or anything else for that matter.
    Tony

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Monday, July 18, 2016 19:49:48
    On Tuesday, 19 July 2016 10:09:20 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    Housing and Monetarism
    by Brian Easton
    The Reserve Bank cannot deliver affordable housing by itself. Its
    actions have to be coordinated with the government's. Unfortunately
    the monetarist framework of the Reserve Bank Act obscures this.

    The tensions between the Reserve Bank and the Government over housing
    policy go back to the mistaken economic thinking in the 1989 Reserve
    Bank Act. Monetarism ruled and it is that underlying monetarist
    approach which is creating the tensions.

    I have no quarrel with the governance provisions which gave the
    Reserve Bank independence in the operating of its monetary policies.
    Many commentators, imbued with the tradition of the centralised
    governing of New Zealand, do. They forget the time when Prime Minister Muldoon used to ring the Governor secretly telling him what had to do.
    The Prime Minister can still do that, but to have the force of law it
    has to be done by a letter tabled in parliament so that any direction
    is transparent. So while the operating of monetary policy is today the preserve of the Reserve Bank, the Government still directs its goal.

    I chose not to make submissions to the select committee considering
    the bill: parliament was not listening to critics of Rogernomics.
    However I checked that the proposed legislation did not rule out what
    in my, and others’, opinion is the primary function of a central bank
    – to maintain order in money markets. Fortunately there was a clause
    which allowed the Reserve Bank to take action, in tandem with the
    Treasury, to settle the New Zealand money markets as they went into
    turmoil during the Global Financial Crisis. Other central banks did
    too, implementing policies which are difficult to justify in a
    monetarist framework.

    My objection to the Act was the requirement that the Reserve Bank be responsible for price stability. This has (at least) three implicit assumptions.

    First, it assumed the notion of price stability can be rigorously
    defined. In fact an economy has numerous prices, many of which do not
    move together. Currently house prices are on quite a different
    trajectory to that of the majority of consumer prices. I’ll come back
    to that, but share prices, land prices and the exchange rate all move differently too (as does do tradeable prices from non-tradeable
    prices).

    Second, there is the assumption that monetary policy can target
    effectively any chosen price index. The fact of the matter is that
    throughout the world central banks, including the RBNZ, have been
    unable to prevent the current world disinflation – falling or
    excessively low increases in prices. Monetary policy has only some
    effect and it is heavy handed or slow or even ineffective.

    Third, the Reserve Bank Act assumes that effective monetary policy can
    be run independently of fiscal and other government economic policies.
    We shall see it cannot.

    (I read the official papers which backgrounded the Act. Not one
    addressed these issues. The papers simply took the monetarist approach
    which assumed that its underlying economics was not problematic. The
    lacuna is reinforced in the recently published history of the Reserve
    Bank which also ignores the issues.)

    The relevance to the current situation is that, first, the RBNZ is,
    rightly, concerned with (at least) two kinds of price inflation –
    consumer prices and housing prices (which threaten the long-term sustainability of the economy). Second, it can use monetary policy to
    target one or the other but not both, so it has been hunting around
    for ad hoc instruments (like loan-to-value ratios) to target the
    other. Third, its interventions are going to be ineffective unless
    they are supported by other policy settings which are the direct responsibility of the government. These include contributing to
    increasing the supply of housing, say by building more itself;
    reducing the demand by an effective capital gains tax and easing back migration.

    Altogether this means that the RBNZ cannot adequately restrain house
    prices as long as it is also concerned with consumer prices. If it
    were directed to primarily target housing prices, its impact would be
    high interest rates, a brutal deflation and a long time to be
    effective, especially if the government did not play its part.

    For reasons which partly reflect a monetarist ideology and partly
    because any effective decision is politically uncomfortable, this
    government is unwilling to play. The Reserve Bank Act becomes a nice
    little excuse for it doing hardly anything except facilitating the
    private supplyside, thereby avoiding uncomfortable policies (in the
    short term).

    Meanwhile, that epitome of politeness, the Governor of the Reserve
    Bank, has indicated that the government has to take more
    responsibility for the unsatisfactory state of the housing market.
    Hence the tension between the Governor's and the Prime Minister's pronouncements.

    Just to be clear, there is nothing in this column’s analysis which
    would upset an orthodox economist. Monetarism is not nearly as popular
    among them as it is among do-nothing politicians and pop-commentators.

    http://pundit.co.nz/content/housing-and-monetarism

    _____________________

    There are actions which the government can take, but they are wedded
    to "the market (or someone else) will solve all problems". Labour, the
    Greens and NZ FIrst are all (with different emphases) calling for
    increased restrictions on immigration, doing something about taxing
    capital gains, and just building some houses (instead of selling
    them). Action is not someting National want to do - too many donors
    are tied up with the current market distortions.

    Last I heard Labour had ditched capital gains.

    Although they perform so many backflips and flip-flops it can be hard to keep up.

    Last I heard, both Labour and Greens want to increase immigration, in particular, refugees from the world's worst Islamic trouble spots.

    In other words, Dickbot continues to "make shit up". Ho hum.

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, July 19, 2016 23:27:16
    On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 15:46:28 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 19 July 2016 10:09:20 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    Housing and Monetarism
    by Brian Easton
    The Reserve Bank cannot deliver affordable housing by itself. Its
    actions have to be coordinated with the government's. Unfortunately
    the monetarist framework of the Reserve Bank Act obscures this.

    The tensions between the Reserve Bank and the Government over housing
    policy go back to the mistaken economic thinking in the 1989 Reserve
    Bank Act. Monetarism ruled and it is that underlying monetarist
    approach which is creating the tensions.

    I have no quarrel with the governance provisions which gave the
    Reserve Bank independence in the operating of its monetary policies.
    Many commentators, imbued with the tradition of the centralised
    governing of New Zealand, do. They forget the time when Prime Minister
    Muldoon used to ring the Governor secretly telling him what had to do.
    The Prime Minister can still do that, but to have the force of law it
    has to be done by a letter tabled in parliament so that any direction
    is transparent. So while the operating of monetary policy is today the
    preserve of the Reserve Bank, the Government still directs its goal.

    I chose not to make submissions to the select committee considering
    the bill: parliament was not listening to critics of Rogernomics.
    However I checked that the proposed legislation did not rule out what
    in my, and others�, opinion is the primary function of a central bank
    � to maintain order in money markets. Fortunately there was a clause
    which allowed the Reserve Bank to take action, in tandem with the
    Treasury, to settle the New Zealand money markets as they went into
    turmoil during the Global Financial Crisis. Other central banks did
    too, implementing policies which are difficult to justify in a
    monetarist framework.

    My objection to the Act was the requirement that the Reserve Bank be
    responsible for price stability. This has (at least) three implicit
    assumptions.

    First, it assumed the notion of price stability can be rigorously
    defined. In fact an economy has numerous prices, many of which do not
    move together. Currently house prices are on quite a different
    trajectory to that of the majority of consumer prices. I�ll come back
    to that, but share prices, land prices and the exchange rate all move
    differently too (as does do tradeable prices from non-tradeable
    prices).

    Second, there is the assumption that monetary policy can target
    effectively any chosen price index. The fact of the matter is that
    throughout the world central banks, including the RBNZ, have been
    unable to prevent the current world disinflation � falling or
    excessively low increases in prices. Monetary policy has only some
    effect and it is heavy handed or slow or even ineffective.

    Third, the Reserve Bank Act assumes that effective monetary policy can
    be run independently of fiscal and other government economic policies.
    We shall see it cannot.

    (I read the official papers which backgrounded the Act. Not one
    addressed these issues. The papers simply took the monetarist approach
    which assumed that its underlying economics was not problematic. The
    lacuna is reinforced in the recently published history of the Reserve
    Bank which also ignores the issues.)

    The relevance to the current situation is that, first, the RBNZ is,
    rightly, concerned with (at least) two kinds of price inflation �
    consumer prices and housing prices (which threaten the long-term
    sustainability of the economy). Second, it can use monetary policy to
    target one or the other but not both, so it has been hunting around
    for ad hoc instruments (like loan-to-value ratios) to target the
    other. Third, its interventions are going to be ineffective unless
    they are supported by other policy settings which are the direct
    responsibility of the government. These include contributing to
    increasing the supply of housing, say by building more itself;
    reducing the demand by an effective capital gains tax and easing back
    migration.

    Altogether this means that the RBNZ cannot adequately restrain house
    prices as long as it is also concerned with consumer prices. If it
    were directed to primarily target housing prices, its impact would be
    high interest rates, a brutal deflation and a long time to be
    effective, especially if the government did not play its part.

    For reasons which partly reflect a monetarist ideology and partly
    because any effective decision is politically uncomfortable, this
    government is unwilling to play. The Reserve Bank Act becomes a nice
    little excuse for it doing hardly anything except facilitating the
    private supplyside, thereby avoiding uncomfortable policies (in the
    short term).

    Meanwhile, that epitome of politeness, the Governor of the Reserve
    Bank, has indicated that the government has to take more
    responsibility for the unsatisfactory state of the housing market.
    Hence the tension between the Governor's and the Prime Minister's
    pronouncements.

    Just to be clear, there is nothing in this column�s analysis which
    would upset an orthodox economist. Monetarism is not nearly as popular
    among them as it is among do-nothing politicians and pop-commentators.

    http://pundit.co.nz/content/housing-and-monetarism

    _____________________

    There are actions which the government can take, but they are wedded
    to "the market (or someone else) will solve all problems". Labour, the
    Greens and NZ FIrst are all (with different emphases) calling for
    increased restrictions on immigration, doing something about taxing
    capital gains, and just building some houses (instead of selling
    them). Action is not someting National want to do - too many donors
    are tied up with the current market distortions.

    Easton is true to his lefty roots: suggesting that the government build >houses. What makes him think the government can magic up the
    land to build these houses any better than the private sector? It still
    comes down to supply of land to build them on, followed by supply
    of builders to build them. Neither are created by waving the statist wand.

    What lefty roots?

    He has probably taken Nick Smith at this word - he promised to free up government land, and has apparently spent quite a bit of money in
    doing so. Do you have no faith in the National-led government?

    As to immigration... does he know that one of the largest contributors
    to net immigration is the turnaround of Kiwis leaving to Australia into
    Kiwis coming home? Not much can be done about that.

    Something can be done about the pther part of immigration though
    Easton put this as only one policy possibilty, and at that was quite
    mild about immigration - from above "These include contributing to
    increasing the supply of housing, say by building more itself;
    reducing the demand by an effective capital gains tax and easing back migration."

    HArdly any suggestion there of cutting off New Zealaders returning or
    other radical action - these are actions that have been suggested by
    many commentators supporting National - does that make Easton a
    "rightie"?

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to dot nz on Tuesday, July 19, 2016 23:31:08
    On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 20:50:35 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
    dot nz> wrote:

    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    Housing and Monetarism
    by Brian Easton
    The Reserve Bank cannot deliver affordable housing by itself. Its
    actions have to be coordinated with the government's. Unfortunately
    the monetarist framework of the Reserve Bank Act obscures this.

    The tensions between the Reserve Bank and the Government over housing >>policy go back to the mistaken economic thinking in the 1989 Reserve
    Bank Act. Monetarism ruled and it is that underlying monetarist
    approach which is creating the tensions.

    I have no quarrel with the governance provisions which gave the
    Reserve Bank independence in the operating of its monetary policies.
    Many commentators, imbued with the tradition of the centralised
    governing of New Zealand, do. They forget the time when Prime Minister >>Muldoon used to ring the Governor secretly telling him what had to do.
    The Prime Minister can still do that, but to have the force of law it
    has to be done by a letter tabled in parliament so that any direction
    is transparent. So while the operating of monetary policy is today the >>preserve of the Reserve Bank, the Government still directs its goal.

    I chose not to make submissions to the select committee considering
    the bill: parliament was not listening to critics of Rogernomics.
    However I checked that the proposed legislation did not rule out what
    in my, and others�, opinion is the primary function of a central bank
    � to maintain order in money markets. Fortunately there was a clause
    which allowed the Reserve Bank to take action, in tandem with the
    Treasury, to settle the New Zealand money markets as they went into
    turmoil during the Global Financial Crisis. Other central banks did
    too, implementing policies which are difficult to justify in a
    monetarist framework.

    My objection to the Act was the requirement that the Reserve Bank be >>responsible for price stability. This has (at least) three implicit >>assumptions.

    First, it assumed the notion of price stability can be rigorously
    defined. In fact an economy has numerous prices, many of which do not
    move together. Currently house prices are on quite a different
    trajectory to that of the majority of consumer prices. I�ll come back
    to that, but share prices, land prices and the exchange rate all move >>differently too (as does do tradeable prices from non-tradeable
    prices).

    Second, there is the assumption that monetary policy can target
    effectively any chosen price index. The fact of the matter is that >>throughout the world central banks, including the RBNZ, have been
    unable to prevent the current world disinflation � falling or
    excessively low increases in prices. Monetary policy has only some
    effect and it is heavy handed or slow or even ineffective.

    Third, the Reserve Bank Act assumes that effective monetary policy can
    be run independently of fiscal and other government economic policies.
    We shall see it cannot.

    (I read the official papers which backgrounded the Act. Not one
    addressed these issues. The papers simply took the monetarist approach >>which assumed that its underlying economics was not problematic. The
    lacuna is reinforced in the recently published history of the Reserve
    Bank which also ignores the issues.)

    The relevance to the current situation is that, first, the RBNZ is, >>rightly, concerned with (at least) two kinds of price inflation �
    consumer prices and housing prices (which threaten the long-term >>sustainability of the economy). Second, it can use monetary policy to >>target one or the other but not both, so it has been hunting around
    for ad hoc instruments (like loan-to-value ratios) to target the
    other. Third, its interventions are going to be ineffective unless
    they are supported by other policy settings which are the direct >>responsibility of the government. These include contributing to
    increasing the supply of housing, say by building more itself;
    reducing the demand by an effective capital gains tax and easing back >>migration.

    Altogether this means that the RBNZ cannot adequately restrain house
    prices as long as it is also concerned with consumer prices. If it
    were directed to primarily target housing prices, its impact would be
    high interest rates, a brutal deflation and a long time to be
    effective, especially if the government did not play its part.

    For reasons which partly reflect a monetarist ideology and partly
    because any effective decision is politically uncomfortable, this >>government is unwilling to play. The Reserve Bank Act becomes a nice
    little excuse for it doing hardly anything except facilitating the
    private supplyside, thereby avoiding uncomfortable policies (in the
    short term).

    Meanwhile, that epitome of politeness, the Governor of the Reserve
    Bank, has indicated that the government has to take more
    responsibility for the unsatisfactory state of the housing market.
    Hence the tension between the Governor's and the Prime Minister's >>pronouncements.

    Just to be clear, there is nothing in this column�s analysis which
    would upset an orthodox economist. Monetarism is not nearly as popular >>among them as it is among do-nothing politicians and pop-commentators.

    http://pundit.co.nz/content/housing-and-monetarism

    _____________________

    There are actions which the government can take, but they are wedded
    to "the market (or someone else) will solve all problems". Labour, the >>Greens and NZ FIrst are all (with different emphases) calling for
    increased restrictions on immigration, doing something about taxing
    capital gains, and just building some houses (instead of selling
    them). Action is not someting National want to do - too many donors
    are tied up with the current market distortions.
    Other than the last (presumably added) paragraph which is fatuous and not in >the same intellectual league as the article, this is a reasoned analysis but at
    the end of the day it is opinion only. There is no clear suggestion about how >to sort out the housing situation or anything else for that matter.
    Tony

    The last paragraph was as you correctly identified mine, Tony. The
    clue was that it came after the link to the article (which if you
    checked did not include that paragraph) and a dividing line. I had not
    realised readers would be so easily confused.

    It does suggest htat some actions ar not part of the brief of the
    Researve Bank,despite the govenment apparently trying to leave the
    impression that it is. It is clear we cannot rely on the Researve Bank
    to fix all problems - the idealism / ideology of monetarism is not a
    fix-all - except to fanatics who want someone else to blame.

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  • From george152@3:770/3 to Allistar on Wednesday, July 20, 2016 07:41:40
    On 7/19/2016 12:28 PM, Allistar wrote:

    If people struggle to afford a house in Auckland then one solution is to not live in Auckland.


    You have just overwhelmed riches limited intelligence.
    Pretty soon the market will correct and then we'll be snowed under with
    sob stories.

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  • From Tony @3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Tuesday, July 19, 2016 17:31:40
    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 20:50:35 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
    dot nz> wrote:
    Removed superfluous extract, most people can follow links

    http://pundit.co.nz/content/housing-and-monetarism

    _____________________

    There are actions which the government can take, but they are wedded
    to "the market (or someone else) will solve all problems". Labour, the >>>Greens and NZ FIrst are all (with different emphases) calling for >>>increased restrictions on immigration, doing something about taxing >>>capital gains, and just building some houses (instead of selling
    them). Action is not someting National want to do - too many donors
    are tied up with the current market distortions.
    Other than the last (presumably added) paragraph which is fatuous and not in >>the same intellectual league as the article, this is a reasoned analysis but >>at
    the end of the day it is opinion only. There is no clear suggestion about how >>to sort out the housing situation or anything else for that matter.
    Tony

    The last paragraph was as you correctly identified mine, Tony. The
    clue was that it came after the link to the article (which if you
    checked did not include that paragraph) and a dividing line. I had not >realised readers would be so easily confused.
    I have a friend who is a psychologist and he is convinced that sarcasm in men is often compensation for some type of inadequacy. Your overuse of sarcasm would certainly support his thesis.

    It does suggest htat some actions ar not part of the brief of the
    Researve Bank,despite the govenment apparently trying to leave the
    impression that it is. It is clear we cannot rely on the Researve Bank
    to fix all problems - the idealism / ideology of monetarism is not a
    fix-all - except to fanatics who want someone else to blame.
    It suggests nothing of value and is a waste of bandwidth.
    Tony

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to dot nz on Wednesday, July 20, 2016 20:01:43
    On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 17:31:40 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
    dot nz> wrote:

    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 20:50:35 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
    dot nz> wrote:
    Removed superfluous extract, most people can follow links

    http://pundit.co.nz/content/housing-and-monetarism

    _____________________

    There are actions which the government can take, but they are wedded
    to "the market (or someone else) will solve all problems". Labour, the >>>>Greens and NZ FIrst are all (with different emphases) calling for >>>>increased restrictions on immigration, doing something about taxing >>>>capital gains, and just building some houses (instead of selling
    them). Action is not someting National want to do - too many donors >>>>are tied up with the current market distortions.
    Other than the last (presumably added) paragraph which is fatuous and not in >>>the same intellectual league as the article, this is a reasoned analysis but >>>at
    the end of the day it is opinion only. There is no clear suggestion about how
    to sort out the housing situation or anything else for that matter.
    Tony

    The last paragraph was as you correctly identified mine, Tony. The
    clue was that it came after the link to the article (which if you
    checked did not include that paragraph) and a dividing line. I had not >>realised readers would be so easily confused.
    I have a friend who is a psychologist and he is convinced that sarcasm in men >is often compensation for some type of inadequacy. Your overuse of sarcasm >would certainly support his thesis.
    Strange that you would say (presumably added) then Tony. But you then
    extend that show of ignorance for effect by contnuing to denigrate me
    as a poster rather than address the issues raised in my post.
    Political spin advisers are discoveringhtat such conduct eventaually
    wears thin, Tony - the public are wanting action and substance rather
    than deflection and attcking the messenger.


    It does suggest htat some actions ar not part of the brief of the
    Researve Bank,despite the govenment apparently trying to leave the >>impression that it is. It is clear we cannot rely on the Researve Bank
    to fix all problems - the idealism / ideology of monetarism is not a >>fix-all - except to fanatics who want someone else to blame.
    It suggests nothing of value and is a waste of bandwidth.
    Tony
    Another contentless comment from you Tony - I know you can do better.

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  • From Tony @3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Wednesday, July 20, 2016 22:43:15
    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 17:31:40 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
    dot nz> wrote:

    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 20:50:35 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
    dot nz> wrote:
    Removed superfluous extract, most people can follow links

    http://pundit.co.nz/content/housing-and-monetarism

    _____________________

    There are actions which the government can take, but they are wedded >>>>>to "the market (or someone else) will solve all problems". Labour, the >>>>>Greens and NZ FIrst are all (with different emphases) calling for >>>>>increased restrictions on immigration, doing something about taxing >>>>>capital gains, and just building some houses (instead of selling >>>>>them). Action is not someting National want to do - too many donors >>>>>are tied up with the current market distortions.
    Other than the last (presumably added) paragraph which is fatuous and not >>>>in
    the same intellectual league as the article, this is a reasoned analysis >>>>but
    at
    the end of the day it is opinion only. There is no clear suggestion about >>>>how
    to sort out the housing situation or anything else for that matter. >>>>Tony

    The last paragraph was as you correctly identified mine, Tony. The
    clue was that it came after the link to the article (which if you
    checked did not include that paragraph) and a dividing line. I had not >>>realised readers would be so easily confused.
    I have a friend who is a psychologist and he is convinced that sarcasm in men >>is often compensation for some type of inadequacy. Your overuse of sarcasm >>would certainly support his thesis.
    Strange that you would say (presumably added) then Tony. But you then
    extend that show of ignorance for effect by contnuing to denigrate me
    as a poster rather than address the issues raised in my post.
    Political spin advisers are discoveringhtat such conduct eventaually
    wears thin, Tony - the public are wanting action and substance rather
    than deflection and attcking the messenger.
    It is a source of constant amusement to me that you criticise others (me in this case) when it was you who "cast the first stone" by using sarcasm. Sarcasm is often called the lowest form of wit; in your case you manage to get half way there (think sbout it!).


    It does suggest htat some actions ar not part of the brief of the >>>Researve Bank,despite the govenment apparently trying to leave the >>>impression that it is. It is clear we cannot rely on the Researve Bank
    to fix all problems - the idealism / ideology of monetarism is not a >>>fix-all - except to fanatics who want someone else to blame.
    It suggests nothing of value and is a waste of bandwidth.
    Tony
    Another contentless comment from you Tony - I know you can do better.
    No need - I have said all that is pertinent. The article was opinion and offered no solutions. Your post was pointless other than as a frantic and failed attempt to criticise the government.

    Tony

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to JohnO on Wednesday, July 27, 2016 23:01:34
    On 19/07/2016 2:49 p.m., JohnO wrote:
    On Tuesday, 19 July 2016 10:09:20 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    Housing and Monetarism
    by Brian Easton
    The Reserve Bank cannot deliver affordable housing by itself. Its
    actions have to be coordinated with the government's. Unfortunately
    the monetarist framework of the Reserve Bank Act obscures this.

    The tensions between the Reserve Bank and the Government over housing
    policy go back to the mistaken economic thinking in the 1989 Reserve
    Bank Act. Monetarism ruled and it is that underlying monetarist
    approach which is creating the tensions.

    I have no quarrel with the governance provisions which gave the
    Reserve Bank independence in the operating of its monetary policies.
    Many commentators, imbued with the tradition of the centralised
    governing of New Zealand, do. They forget the time when Prime Minister
    Muldoon used to ring the Governor secretly telling him what had to do.
    The Prime Minister can still do that, but to have the force of law it
    has to be done by a letter tabled in parliament so that any direction
    is transparent. So while the operating of monetary policy is today the
    preserve of the Reserve Bank, the Government still directs its goal.

    I chose not to make submissions to the select committee considering
    the bill: parliament was not listening to critics of Rogernomics.
    However I checked that the proposed legislation did not rule out what
    in my, and others’, opinion is the primary function of a central bank
    – to maintain order in money markets. Fortunately there was a clause
    which allowed the Reserve Bank to take action, in tandem with the
    Treasury, to settle the New Zealand money markets as they went into
    turmoil during the Global Financial Crisis. Other central banks did
    too, implementing policies which are difficult to justify in a
    monetarist framework.

    My objection to the Act was the requirement that the Reserve Bank be
    responsible for price stability. This has (at least) three implicit
    assumptions.

    First, it assumed the notion of price stability can be rigorously
    defined. In fact an economy has numerous prices, many of which do not
    move together. Currently house prices are on quite a different
    trajectory to that of the majority of consumer prices. I’ll come back
    to that, but share prices, land prices and the exchange rate all move
    differently too (as does do tradeable prices from non-tradeable
    prices).

    Second, there is the assumption that monetary policy can target
    effectively any chosen price index. The fact of the matter is that
    throughout the world central banks, including the RBNZ, have been
    unable to prevent the current world disinflation – falling or
    excessively low increases in prices. Monetary policy has only some
    effect and it is heavy handed or slow or even ineffective.

    Third, the Reserve Bank Act assumes that effective monetary policy can
    be run independently of fiscal and other government economic policies.
    We shall see it cannot.

    (I read the official papers which backgrounded the Act. Not one
    addressed these issues. The papers simply took the monetarist approach
    which assumed that its underlying economics was not problematic. The
    lacuna is reinforced in the recently published history of the Reserve
    Bank which also ignores the issues.)

    The relevance to the current situation is that, first, the RBNZ is,
    rightly, concerned with (at least) two kinds of price inflation –
    consumer prices and housing prices (which threaten the long-term
    sustainability of the economy). Second, it can use monetary policy to
    target one or the other but not both, so it has been hunting around
    for ad hoc instruments (like loan-to-value ratios) to target the
    other. Third, its interventions are going to be ineffective unless
    they are supported by other policy settings which are the direct
    responsibility of the government. These include contributing to
    increasing the supply of housing, say by building more itself;
    reducing the demand by an effective capital gains tax and easing back
    migration.

    Altogether this means that the RBNZ cannot adequately restrain house
    prices as long as it is also concerned with consumer prices. If it
    were directed to primarily target housing prices, its impact would be
    high interest rates, a brutal deflation and a long time to be
    effective, especially if the government did not play its part.

    For reasons which partly reflect a monetarist ideology and partly
    because any effective decision is politically uncomfortable, this
    government is unwilling to play. The Reserve Bank Act becomes a nice
    little excuse for it doing hardly anything except facilitating the
    private supplyside, thereby avoiding uncomfortable policies (in the
    short term).

    Meanwhile, that epitome of politeness, the Governor of the Reserve
    Bank, has indicated that the government has to take more
    responsibility for the unsatisfactory state of the housing market.
    Hence the tension between the Governor's and the Prime Minister's
    pronouncements.

    Just to be clear, there is nothing in this column’s analysis which
    would upset an orthodox economist. Monetarism is not nearly as popular
    among them as it is among do-nothing politicians and pop-commentators.

    http://pundit.co.nz/content/housing-and-monetarism

    _____________________

    There are actions which the government can take, but they are wedded
    to "the market (or someone else) will solve all problems". Labour, the
    Greens and NZ FIrst are all (with different emphases) calling for
    increased restrictions on immigration, doing something about taxing
    capital gains, and just building some houses (instead of selling
    them). Action is not someting National want to do - too many donors
    are tied up with the current market distortions.

    Last I heard Labour had ditched capital gains.

    Although they perform so many backflips and flip-flops it can be hard to keep
    up.


    I was trying to keep track of little Andy's policy's JohnO. But after I
    wore a hole through the blackboard with all the changes I've given up.
    Much like trying to keep track of Riches latest lie.

    Last I heard, both Labour and Greens want to increase immigration, in
    particular, refugees from the world's worst Islamic trouble spots.

    In other words, Dickbot continues to "make shit up". Ho hum.


    No changes then :)

    Pooh

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