h/t Farrar.

http://nzinitiative.org.nz/Media/Insights_newsletter/Insights_newsletter.html?uid=1293

So to summarise, in order to reduce inequality we need to get rid of either old
or young people, or even better, both.

Then get rid of either over-educated or under-educated people, or even better, both.

Then get rid of either hard working or lazy people, or even better, both.

Then get rid of savers or spend-thrifts, or even better, both.

Then we will have hardly any inequality. Yay equality!


QUOTE:
Wealth inequality – a national disgrace
Dr Bryce Wilkinson
Published: 01/07/2016
If you are above 40, I hope you would have built some financial net worth through hard work and thrift. And if you are under 40, I hope that at least you aspire to build up some savings for a more comfortable retirement.

But perhaps like me, you did not realise that by working hard, paying off your mortgages and saving, you are depriving 15-19 year olds of a fair share of your
wealth? Every dollar you save relative to someone with no savings increases wealth inequality.

At least some might draw that conclusion from the way Sue Bradford and Green Party co-leader Metiria Turei have commented on New Zealand’s alleged inequality crisis this week.

Statistics New Zealand just released a report on the distribution of household and individual wealth in New Zealand in 2015. On Wednesday morning, Sue Bradford was on breakfast TV decrying the shamefully unequal distribution. (I was kindly allowed to say
a few words between her monologues – you can watch the interview here)

Meanwhile, Metiria Turei was quoted in the Dominion Post as claiming that wealth inequality was driving the housing crisis. It was causing over 40,000 children’s hospital visits every year because of cold, damp and mouldy homes,
Turei said.

Well, that’s trivially true. If the middle-aged and elderly were no wealthier
than teenagers, then obviously there would be vastly less wealth inequality. But sadly that would not mean that no kids would be living in cold, damp and mouldy homes.

It gets worse. There is also major inequality within each stage of the life cycle. Take households with dependent children. The median net worth of such a two adult household is around $250,000; for a one adult household it is $26,000. But is this the
fault of two-adult households?

And let’s not get started on education-related inequality. Those who worked hard to get post-school qualifications, and subsequently, obviously earn more and own more. The median net worth of those with a master’s degree or a doctorate is $195,000;
it is only $49,000 for those with no school qualification. But does that mean we need to blame academics for inequality?

On TV, Sue Bradford blamed the lamentably unresponsive major political parties for inequality. Decent political parties would force you all to do the decent thing.

But the real question is this: If age, education, and hard work are the most important factors for some people being wealthier than others, is there anything that could or should be done about it? And would anyone vote for it?

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On Monday, 4 July 2016 15:47:53 UTC+12, Fred wrote:

On 4/07/2016 1:23 PM, JohnO wrote:

h/t Farrar.

http://nzinitiative.org.nz/Media/Insights_newsletter/Insights_newsletter.html?uid=1293

So to summarise, in order to reduce inequality we need to get rid of either

old or young people, or even better, both.

Then get rid of either over-educated or under-educated people, or even

better, both.

Then get rid of either hard working or lazy people, or even better, both.

Then get rid of savers or spend-thrifts, or even better, both.

Then we will have hardly any inequality. Yay equality!

QUOTE:
Wealth inequality – a national disgrace
Dr Bryce Wilkinson
Published: 01/07/2016
If you are above 40, I hope you would have built some financial net worth

through hard work and thrift. And if you are under 40, I hope that at least you aspire to build up some savings for a more comfortable retirement.

But perhaps like me, you did not realise that by working hard, paying off

your mortgages and saving, you are depriving 15-19 year olds of a fair share of
your wealth? Every dollar you save relative to someone with no savings increases wealth
inequality.

At least some might draw that conclusion from the way Sue Bradford and

Green Party co-leader Metiria Turei have commented on New Zealand’s alleged inequality crisis this week.

Statistics New Zealand just released a report on the distribution of

household and individual wealth in New Zealand in 2015. On Wednesday morning, Sue Bradford was on breakfast TV decrying the shamefully unequal distribution. (I was kindly allowed to
say a few words between her monologues – you can watch the interview here)

Meanwhile, Metiria Turei was quoted in the Dominion Post as claiming that

wealth inequality was driving the housing crisis. It was causing over 40,000 children’s hospital visits every year because of cold, damp and mouldy homes,
Turei said.

Well, that’s trivially true. If the middle-aged and elderly were no

wealthier than teenagers, then obviously there would be vastly less wealth inequality. But sadly that would not mean that no kids would be living in cold,
damp and mouldy homes.

It gets worse. There is also major inequality within each stage of the life

cycle. Take households with dependent children. The median net worth of such a two adult household is around $250,000; for a one adult household it is $26,000. But is this
the fault of two-adult households?

And let’s not get started on education-related inequality. Those who

worked hard to get post-school qualifications, and subsequently, obviously earn
more and own more. The median net worth of those with a master’s degree or a doctorate is $195,
000; it is only $49,000 for those with no school qualification. But does that mean we need to blame academics for inequality?

On TV, Sue Bradford blamed the lamentably unresponsive major political

parties for inequality. Decent political parties would force you all to do the decent thing.

But the real question is this: If age, education, and hard work are the

most important factors for some people being wealthier than others, is there anything that could or should be done about it? And would anyone vote for it?

Since we can't all be rich the only way for us to be equal is to make everyone poor.

Lefties think you can make everyone rich by taxing the rich and giving to the poor.

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On 4/07/2016 1:23 PM, JohnO wrote:

h/t Farrar.

http://nzinitiative.org.nz/Media/Insights_newsletter/Insights_newsletter.html?uid=1293

So to summarise, in order to reduce inequality we need to get rid of either

old or young people, or even better, both.

Then get rid of either over-educated or under-educated people, or even

better, both.

Then get rid of either hard working or lazy people, or even better, both.

Then get rid of savers or spend-thrifts, or even better, both.

Then we will have hardly any inequality. Yay equality!

QUOTE:
Wealth inequality – a national disgrace
Dr Bryce Wilkinson
Published: 01/07/2016
If you are above 40, I hope you would have built some financial net worth

through hard work and thrift. And if you are under 40, I hope that at least you aspire to build up some savings for a more comfortable retirement.

But perhaps like me, you did not realise that by working hard, paying off

your mortgages and saving, you are depriving 15-19 year olds of a fair share of
your wealth? Every dollar you save relative to someone with no savings increases wealth
inequality.

At least some might draw that conclusion from the way Sue Bradford and Green

Party co-leader Metiria Turei have commented on New Zealand’s alleged inequality crisis this week.

Statistics New Zealand just released a report on the distribution of

household and individual wealth in New Zealand in 2015. On Wednesday morning, Sue Bradford was on breakfast TV decrying the shamefully unequal distribution. (I was kindly allowed to
say a few words between her monologues – you can watch the interview here)

Meanwhile, Metiria Turei was quoted in the Dominion Post as claiming that

wealth inequality was driving the housing crisis. It was causing over 40,000 children’s hospital visits every year because of cold, damp and mouldy homes,
Turei said.

Well, that’s trivially true. If the middle-aged and elderly were no

wealthier than teenagers, then obviously there would be vastly less wealth inequality. But sadly that would not mean that no kids would be living in cold,
damp and mouldy homes.

It gets worse. There is also major inequality within each stage of the life

cycle. Take households with dependent children. The median net worth of such a two adult household is around $250,000; for a one adult household it is $26,000. But is this the
fault of two-adult households?

And let’s not get started on education-related inequality. Those who worked

hard to get post-school qualifications, and subsequently, obviously earn more and own more. The median net worth of those with a master’s degree or a doctorate is $195,000;
it is only $49,000 for those with no school qualification. But does that mean we need to blame academics for inequality?

On TV, Sue Bradford blamed the lamentably unresponsive major political

parties for inequality. Decent political parties would force you all to do the decent thing.

But the real question is this: If age, education, and hard work are the most

important factors for some people being wealthier than others, is there anything that could or should be done about it? And would anyone vote for it?



Since we can't all be rich the only way for us to be equal is to make
everyone poor.

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On Sun, 3 Jul 2016 21:09:45 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Monday, 4 July 2016 15:47:53 UTC+12, Fred wrote:

On 4/07/2016 1:23 PM, JohnO wrote:

h/t Farrar.

http://nzinitiative.org.nz/Media/Insights_newsletter/Insights_newsletter.html?uid=1293

So to summarise, in order to reduce inequality we need to get rid of either old or young people, or even better, both.

Then get rid of either over-educated or under-educated people, or even better, both.

Then get rid of either hard working or lazy people, or even better, both. >> >
Then get rid of savers or spend-thrifts, or even better, both.

Then we will have hardly any inequality. Yay equality!


QUOTE:
Wealth inequality – a national disgrace
Dr Bryce Wilkinson
Published: 01/07/2016
If you are above 40, I hope you would have built some financial net worth through hard work and thrift. And if you are under 40, I hope that at least you aspire to build up some savings for a more comfortable retirement.

But perhaps like me, you did not realise that by working hard, paying off your mortgages and saving, you are depriving 15-19 year olds of a fair share of

your wealth? Every dollar you save relative to someone with no savings increases wealth
inequality.

At least some might draw that conclusion from the way Sue Bradford and Green Party co-leader Metiria Turei have commented on New Zealand’s alleged inequality crisis this week.

Statistics New Zealand just released a report on the distribution of household and individual wealth in New Zealand in 2015. On Wednesday morning, Sue Bradford was on breakfast TV decrying the shamefully unequal distribution. (I was kindly allowed

to say a few words between her monologues – you can watch the interview here) >> >

Meanwhile, Metiria Turei was quoted in the Dominion Post as claiming that wealth inequality was driving the housing crisis. It was causing over 40,000 children’s hospital visits every year because of cold, damp and mouldy homes, Turei said.

Well, that’s trivially true. If the middle-aged and elderly were no wealthier than teenagers, then obviously there would be vastly less wealth inequality. But sadly that would not mean that no kids would be living in cold,

damp and mouldy homes.

It gets worse. There is also major inequality within each stage of the life cycle. Take households with dependent children. The median net worth of such a two adult household is around $250,000; for a one adult household it is $26,000. But is this

the fault of two-adult households?

And let’s not get started on education-related inequality. Those who worked hard to get post-school qualifications, and subsequently, obviously earn

more and own more. The median net worth of those with a master’s degree or a doctorate is $195,000;
it is only $49,000 for those with no school qualification. But does that mean we need to blame academics for inequality?

On TV, Sue Bradford blamed the lamentably unresponsive major political parties for inequality. Decent political parties would force you all to do the decent thing.

But the real question is this: If age, education, and hard work are the most important factors for some people being wealthier than others, is there anything that could or should be done about it? And would anyone vote for it? >> >

Since we can't all be rich the only way for us to be equal is to make
everyone poor.

Lefties think you can make everyone rich by taxing the rich and giving to the poor.

Cite?

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On Monday, July 4, 2016 at 1:23:03 PM UTC+12, JohnO wrote:

h/t Farrar.

http://nzinitiative.org.nz/Media/Insights_newsletter/Insights_newsletter.html?uid=1293

So to summarise, in order to reduce inequality we need to get rid of either

old or young people, or even better, both.

Then get rid of either over-educated or under-educated people, or even

better, both.

Then get rid of either hard working or lazy people, or even better, both.

Then get rid of savers or spend-thrifts, or even better, both.

Then we will have hardly any inequality. Yay equality!

QUOTE:
Wealth inequality – a national disgrace
Dr Bryce Wilkinson
Published: 01/07/2016
If you are above 40, I hope you would have built some financial net worth

through hard work and thrift. And if you are under 40, I hope that at least you aspire to build up some savings for a more comfortable retirement.

But perhaps like me, you did not realise that by working hard, paying off

your mortgages and saving, you are depriving 15-19 year olds of a fair share of
your wealth? Every dollar you save relative to someone with no savings increases wealth
inequality.

At least some might draw that conclusion from the way Sue Bradford and Green

Party co-leader Metiria Turei have commented on New Zealand’s alleged inequality crisis this week.

Statistics New Zealand just released a report on the distribution of

household and individual wealth in New Zealand in 2015. On Wednesday morning, Sue Bradford was on breakfast TV decrying the shamefully unequal distribution. (I was kindly allowed to
say a few words between her monologues – you can watch the interview here)

Meanwhile, Metiria Turei was quoted in the Dominion Post as claiming that

wealth inequality was driving the housing crisis. It was causing over 40,000 children’s hospital visits every year because of cold, damp and mouldy homes,
Turei said.

Well, that’s trivially true. If the middle-aged and elderly were no

wealthier than teenagers, then obviously there would be vastly less wealth inequality. But sadly that would not mean that no kids would be living in cold,
damp and mouldy homes.

It gets worse. There is also major inequality within each stage of the life

cycle. Take households with dependent children. The median net worth of such a two adult household is around $250,000; for a one adult household it is $26,000. But is this the
fault of two-adult households?

And let’s not get started on education-related inequality. Those who worked

hard to get post-school qualifications, and subsequently, obviously earn more and own more. The median net worth of those with a master’s degree or a doctorate is $195,000;
it is only $49,000 for those with no school qualification. But does that mean we need to blame academics for inequality?

On TV, Sue Bradford blamed the lamentably unresponsive major political

parties for inequality. Decent political parties would force you all to do the decent thing.

But the real question is this: If age, education, and hard work are the most

important factors for some people being wealthier than others, is there anything that could or should be done about it? And would anyone vote for it?

"Hat tip to Farrar". Ha ha ha!

You like to quote the cutting edge intellects don't you JohnO.

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I didn't quote him, you dimwit.

Nobody quotes you though,"Breen"

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On Mon, 4 Jul 2016 01:14:35 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

I didn't quote him, you dimwit.

Nobody quotes you though,"Breen"

The right wing "New Zealand Initiative" are not averse to
mis-representing others either, JohnO. You did refer quote them
pretending to quote others . . .

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On Mon, 04 Jul 2016 16:32:29 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

Since we can't all be rich the only way for us to be equal is to make
everyone poor.

Lefties think you can make everyone rich by taxing the rich and giving to the

poor.

Cite?

Go listen to labour/green drivel.

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On Mon, 04 Jul 2016 22:49:44 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
wrote:

On Mon, 04 Jul 2016 16:32:29 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

Since we can't all be rich the only way for us to be equal is to make
everyone poor.

Lefties think you can make everyone rich by taxing the rich and giving to the poor.

Cite?

Go listen to labour/green drivel.

So it was pure fiction. Do not post if you cannot support your
ravings.

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On Monday, 4 July 2016 22:03:41 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 4 Jul 2016 01:14:35 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

I didn't quote him, you dimwit.

Nobody quotes you though,"Breen"

The right wing "New Zealand Initiative" are not averse to
mis-representing others either, JohnO. You did refer quote them
pretending to quote others . . .

I did no such thing you lying little wanker.

It was quite clearly cited to the original source. Join "Breen" in showing yourself to be too stupid to realise this obvious fact.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On 4/07/2016 4:09 PM, JohnO wrote:

On Monday, 4 July 2016 15:47:53 UTC+12, Fred wrote:

On 4/07/2016 1:23 PM, JohnO wrote:

h/t Farrar.

http://nzinitiative.org.nz/Media/Insights_newsletter/Insights_newsletter.html?uid=1293

So to summarise, in order to reduce inequality we need to get rid of either

old or young people, or even better, both.

Then get rid of either over-educated or under-educated people, or even better, both.

Then get rid of either hard working or lazy people, or even better, both. >>>
Then get rid of savers or spend-thrifts, or even better, both.

Then we will have hardly any inequality. Yay equality!


QUOTE:
Wealth inequality – a national disgrace
Dr Bryce Wilkinson
Published: 01/07/2016
If you are above 40, I hope you would have built some financial net worth through hard work and thrift. And if you are under 40, I hope that at least you aspire to build up some savings for a more comfortable retirement.

But perhaps like me, you did not realise that by working hard, paying off your mortgages and saving, you are depriving 15-19 year olds of a fair share of

your wealth? Every dollar you save relative to someone with no savings increases wealth
inequality.

At least some might draw that conclusion from the way Sue Bradford and Green Party co-leader Metiria Turei have commented on New Zealand’s alleged inequality crisis this week.

Statistics New Zealand just released a report on the distribution of household and individual wealth in New Zealand in 2015. On Wednesday morning, Sue Bradford was on breakfast TV decrying the shamefully unequal distribution. (I was kindly allowed to

say a few words between her monologues – you can watch the interview here) >>>

Meanwhile, Metiria Turei was quoted in the Dominion Post as claiming that wealth inequality was driving the housing crisis. It was causing over 40,000 children’s hospital visits every year because of cold, damp and mouldy homes,

Turei said.

Well, that’s trivially true. If the middle-aged and elderly were no wealthier than teenagers, then obviously there would be vastly less wealth inequality. But sadly that would not mean that no kids would be living in cold,

damp and mouldy homes.

It gets worse. There is also major inequality within each stage of the life

cycle. Take households with dependent children. The median net worth of such a two adult household is around $250,000; for a one adult household it is $26,000. But is this
the fault of two-adult households?

And let’s not get started on education-related inequality. Those who worked hard to get post-school qualifications, and subsequently, obviously earn

more and own more. The median net worth of those with a master’s degree or a doctorate is $195,
000; it is only $49,000 for those with no school qualification. But does that mean we need to blame academics for inequality?

On TV, Sue Bradford blamed the lamentably unresponsive major political parties for inequality. Decent political parties would force you all to do the decent thing.

But the real question is this: If age, education, and hard work are the most important factors for some people being wealthier than others, is there anything that could or should be done about it? And would anyone vote for it? >>>

Since we can't all be rich the only way for us to be equal is to make
everyone poor.

Lefties think you can make everyone rich by taxing the rich and giving to the

poor.


If you have 10 million dollars you are rich. If everyone has 10 million
dollars - you are not.

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On 7/4/2016 8:14 PM, JohnO wrote:

I didn't quote him, you dimwit.

Nobody quotes you though,"Breen"

'Hasbreen' is far more descriptive

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On Mon, 4 Jul 2016 13:41:04 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Monday, 4 July 2016 22:03:41 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 4 Jul 2016 01:14:35 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

I didn't quote him, you dimwit.

Nobody quotes you though,"Breen"

The right wing "New Zealand Initiative" are not averse to
mis-representing others either, JohnO. You did refer quote them
pretending to quote others . . .

I did no such thing you lying little wanker.

from your original post :
h/t Farrar.

http://nzinitiative.org.nz/Media/Insights_newsletter/Insights_newsletter.html?uid=1293

Your reference was to a newsletter from the "New Zealand Initiative"-
a well known right wing "think-tank" - see http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/roundtable-and-nz-institute-morph-nz-initiative-ck-115751

It was quite clearly cited to the original source. Join "Breen" in showing yourself to be too stupid to realise this obvious fact.

Which, as I said was the right wing "New Zealand Initiative".

You may apologise now.

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On Tue, 5 Jul 2016 08:40:04 +1200, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 4/07/2016 4:09 PM, JohnO wrote:

On Monday, 4 July 2016 15:47:53 UTC+12, Fred wrote:

On 4/07/2016 1:23 PM, JohnO wrote:

h/t Farrar.

http://nzinitiative.org.nz/Media/Insights_newsletter/Insights_newsletter.html?uid=1293

So to summarise, in order to reduce inequality we need to get rid of either old or young people, or even better, both.

Then get rid of either over-educated or under-educated people, or even better, both.

Then get rid of either hard working or lazy people, or even better, both. >>>>
Then get rid of savers or spend-thrifts, or even better, both.

Then we will have hardly any inequality. Yay equality!


QUOTE:
Wealth inequality – a national disgrace
Dr Bryce Wilkinson
Published: 01/07/2016
If you are above 40, I hope you would have built some financial net worth through hard work and thrift. And if you are under 40, I hope that at least you aspire to build up some savings for a more comfortable retirement.

But perhaps like me, you did not realise that by working hard, paying off your mortgages and saving, you are depriving 15-19 year olds of a fair share of

your wealth? Every dollar you save relative to someone with no savings increases wealth
inequality.

At least some might draw that conclusion from the way Sue Bradford and Green Party co-leader Metiria Turei have commented on New Zealand’s alleged inequality crisis this week.

Statistics New Zealand just released a report on the distribution of household and individual wealth in New Zealand in 2015. On Wednesday morning, Sue Bradford was on breakfast TV decrying the shamefully unequal distribution. (I was kindly allowed

to say a few words between her monologues – you can watch the interview here) >>>>

Meanwhile, Metiria Turei was quoted in the Dominion Post as claiming that wealth inequality was driving the housing crisis. It was causing over 40,000 children’s hospital visits every year because of cold, damp and mouldy homes, Turei said.

Well, that’s trivially true. If the middle-aged and elderly were no wealthier than teenagers, then obviously there would be vastly less wealth inequality. But sadly that would not mean that no kids would be living in cold,

damp and mouldy homes.

It gets worse. There is also major inequality within each stage of the life cycle. Take households with dependent children. The median net worth of such a two adult household is around $250,000; for a one adult household it is $26,000. But is this

the fault of two-adult households?

And let’s not get started on education-related inequality. Those who worked hard to get post-school qualifications, and subsequently, obviously earn

more and own more. The median net worth of those with a master’s degree or a doctorate is $195,000;
it is only $49,000 for those with no school qualification. But does that mean we need to blame academics for inequality?

On TV, Sue Bradford blamed the lamentably unresponsive major political parties for inequality. Decent political parties would force you all to do the decent thing.

But the real question is this: If age, education, and hard work are the most important factors for some people being wealthier than others, is there anything that could or should be done about it? And would anyone vote for it? >>>>

Since we can't all be rich the only way for us to be equal is to make
everyone poor.

Lefties think you can make everyone rich by taxing the rich and giving to the poor.

If you have 10 million dollars you are rich. If everyone has 10 million >dollars - you are not.

You must have been drinking heavily on the NIck Smith / Bill English
cup of compulsory aquisition, Fred. While in theory it would be
possible to undertake a redistribution of wealth to bring assets owned
by each individual to the same level, it would immediately splinter as
market values changed and as people were born or die. No-one has of
course suggested anything like the straw-man you conveniently and simplistically put forward.

Countries can increase their own wealth - one of the most well known
is the Norwegian soveeign fund built up from oil revenues that now
supports a wealthier lifestyle for the whole country than if it had
not been established. Are you suggesting that sort of initiative?

What has been expressed is a desire to reduce the level of poverty in
our country. National have retained Working for Families which
acknowledges that many lower wage rates are too low for a minimum
standard of living - in efefect they are a government subsidy on
wages. While imperfect, National have not had any better ideas over
the last eight years, but then they love government subsidies, don;t
they? That does nothing for those without jobs however, and we have
seen greater deprivation of beneficiaries under National - often
linked to the housing shortages that recent government policies have excacerbated. Lifting the standard of living for children of those not
able to work to give them a similar level of opportunity to most other children, and to prevent avoidable diseases and the effects of
malnutrition, used to be a goal of the National Party, but they seem
to have changed.

The World Bank has pointed out that inequality has harmed New Zealands
economic position. We will not achieve meaningful improvements through simplistic proposals such as the equality of wealth you outlined,
whether that is your idea or your misrepresentation of the ideas of
others.

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On Mon, 4 Jul 2016 14:56:26 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, 5 July 2016 09:52:36 UTC+12, Liberty wrote:

On Mon, 04 Jul 2016 23:04:37 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>

On Mon, 04 Jul 2016 22:49:44 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
wrote:

On Mon, 04 Jul 2016 16:32:29 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

Since we can't all be rich the only way for us to be equal is to make >> >>>>> everyone poor.

Lefties think you can make everyone rich by taxing the rich and giving to the poor.

Cite?

Go listen to labour/green drivel.

So it was pure fiction. Do not post if you cannot support your
ravings.

Rich you are a hypocritical twat. Practice what you preach.

Asking for a cite is a great way to shut Dickbot up.

How often does Rich provide cites for his twaddle.
Jesus will walk down Queen street before that happens.

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On Tuesday, 5 July 2016 09:52:36 UTC+12, Liberty wrote:

On Mon, 04 Jul 2016 23:04:37 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 04 Jul 2016 22:49:44 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
wrote:

On Mon, 04 Jul 2016 16:32:29 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>

Since we can't all be rich the only way for us to be equal is to make >>>>> everyone poor.

Lefties think you can make everyone rich by taxing the rich and giving to

the poor.

Cite?

Go listen to labour/green drivel.

So it was pure fiction. Do not post if you cannot support your
ravings.

Rich you are a hypocritical twat. Practice what you preach.

Asking for a cite is a great way to shut Dickbot up.

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On Mon, 04 Jul 2016 23:04:37 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 04 Jul 2016 22:49:44 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
wrote:

On Mon, 04 Jul 2016 16:32:29 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>

Since we can't all be rich the only way for us to be equal is to make >>>>> everyone poor.

Lefties think you can make everyone rich by taxing the rich and giving to the poor.

Cite?

Go listen to labour/green drivel.

So it was pure fiction. Do not post if you cannot support your
ravings.

Rich you are a hypocritical twat. Practice what you preach.

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On Tue, 05 Jul 2016 10:20:46 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
wrote:

On Mon, 4 Jul 2016 14:56:26 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, 5 July 2016 09:52:36 UTC+12, Liberty wrote:

On Mon, 04 Jul 2016 23:04:37 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>

On Mon, 04 Jul 2016 22:49:44 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
wrote:

On Mon, 04 Jul 2016 16:32:29 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

Since we can't all be rich the only way for us to be equal is to make >>> >>>>> everyone poor.

Lefties think you can make everyone rich by taxing the rich and giving to the poor.

Cite?

Go listen to labour/green drivel.

So it was pure fiction. Do not post if you cannot support your
ravings.

Rich you are a hypocritical twat. Practice what you preach.

Asking for a cite is a great way to shut Dickbot up.

How often does Rich provide cites for his twaddle.
Jesus will walk down Queen street before that happens.

So you think that a claim htat someone doesn't provide cites excuses
you from not doing so when requested?

Some posts are personal opinion only, but when you make a statement
about the purported beliefs of others, it is reasonable that you have
some evidence - especially when you were spouting deliberate vexatious
drivel.

You may have a belief in Jesus, but you do not demonstrate the
tolerance that he advocated.

Perhaps this cite will assist you: http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/81725444/the-real-cost-of-the-dairy-farming-downturn

In there is a reasonable question:
"Did WINZ stand this young man down for 12 weeks as per policy because
he was made redundant before he could access the jobseekers benefit?
He lost his job and housing in one hit. He had responsibilities for a
family. For many in this situation the pressure becomes too much to
bear and social connections are lost. "

Fixing problems such as this do not require taking millions off John
Key to give to the poor. Try keeping things a little more in balance,
"Liberty"

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On Tuesday, 5 July 2016 10:06:49 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 4 Jul 2016 13:41:04 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Monday, 4 July 2016 22:03:41 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Mon, 4 Jul 2016 01:14:35 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

I didn't quote him, you dimwit.

Nobody quotes you though,"Breen"

The right wing "New Zealand Initiative" are not averse to
mis-representing others either, JohnO. You did refer quote them
pretending to quote others . . .

I did no such thing you lying little wanker.

from your original post :
h/t Farrar.

You really are a stupid little man and intent on parading it. H/t Farrar means he pointed out the original article, not wrote it.

http://nzinitiative.org.nz/Media/Insights_newsletter/Insights_newsletter.html?uid=1293

That's your cite, you stupid little man. Not attributed to Farrar.

Your reference was to a newsletter from the "New Zealand Initiative"-

If you can work that out, why do you think I am citing Farrar, you stupid little man?

a well known right wing "think-tank" - see http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/roundtable-and-nz-institute-morph-nz-initiative-ck-115751

So what? They have a good reputation and very highly qualified commentators.

Your hypocrisy is astounding. Every day you post extreme lefty blog opinions, yet get all whiny because someone cites the NZ Initiative. What a dick.

It was quite clearly cited to the original source. Join "Breen" in showing

yourself to be too stupid to realise this obvious fact.

Which, as I said was the right wing "New Zealand Initiative".

You may apologise now.

Why should I apologies for your abject stupidity, you stupid little man?

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On Tue, 05 Jul 2016 11:15:13 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jul 2016 10:20:46 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
wrote:

On Mon, 4 Jul 2016 14:56:26 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote: >>

On Tuesday, 5 July 2016 09:52:36 UTC+12, Liberty wrote:

On Mon, 04 Jul 2016 23:04:37 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 04 Jul 2016 22:49:44 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
wrote:

On Mon, 04 Jul 2016 16:32:29 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

Since we can't all be rich the only way for us to be equal is to make
everyone poor.

Lefties think you can make everyone rich by taxing the rich and giving

to the poor.

Cite?

Go listen to labour/green drivel.

So it was pure fiction. Do not post if you cannot support your
ravings.

Rich you are a hypocritical twat. Practice what you preach.

Asking for a cite is a great way to shut Dickbot up.

How often does Rich provide cites for his twaddle.
Jesus will walk down Queen street before that happens.

So you think that a claim htat someone doesn't provide cites excuses
you from not doing so when requested?

Some posts are personal opinion only, but when you make a statement
about the purported beliefs of others, it is reasonable that you have
some evidence

What perported belief?
all I said was you "are a hypocritical twat. Practice what you preach"
Which is a fact.

Perhaps this cite will assist you: >http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/81725444/the-real-cost-of-the-dairy-farming-downturn

Do try and keep on topic
sniped

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On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 9:56:27 AM UTC+12, JohnO wrote:

On Tuesday, 5 July 2016 09:52:36 UTC+12, Liberty wrote:

On Mon, 04 Jul 2016 23:04:37 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 04 Jul 2016 22:49:44 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
wrote:

On Mon, 04 Jul 2016 16:32:29 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>

wrote:

Since we can't all be rich the only way for us to be equal is to make >>>>> everyone poor.

Lefties think you can make everyone rich by taxing the rich and giving

to the poor.

Cite?

Go listen to labour/green drivel.

So it was pure fiction. Do not post if you cannot support your
ravings.

Rich you are a hypocritical twat. Practice what you preach.

Asking for a cite is a great way to shut Dickbot up.

Several years ago he accused me of lying on nz.general . I asked him to provide
three examples of lies I allegedly told. I am still waiting ..........

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On Tue, 5 Jul 2016 03:17:06 -0700 (PDT), peterwn <peterwn@paradise.net.nz> wrote:

On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 9:56:27 AM UTC+12, JohnO wrote:

On Tuesday, 5 July 2016 09:52:36 UTC+12, Liberty wrote:

On Mon, 04 Jul 2016 23:04:37 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 04 Jul 2016 22:49:44 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
wrote:

On Mon, 04 Jul 2016 16:32:29 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

Since we can't all be rich the only way for us to be equal is to make
everyone poor.

Lefties think you can make everyone rich by taxing the rich and giving

to the poor.

Cite?

Go listen to labour/green drivel.

So it was pure fiction. Do not post if you cannot support your
ravings.

Rich you are a hypocritical twat. Practice what you preach.

Asking for a cite is a great way to shut Dickbot up.

Several years ago he accused me of lying on nz.general .

I asked him to provide three examples of lies I allegedly told. I am still waiting ..........

Must of been one of the new Richbots
who didn't know who he was dealing with.

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On Tue, 05 Jul 2016 22:58:45 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
wrote:

On Tue, 5 Jul 2016 03:17:06 -0700 (PDT), peterwn <peterwn@paradise.net.nz> wrote:

On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 9:56:27 AM UTC+12, JohnO wrote:

On Tuesday, 5 July 2016 09:52:36 UTC+12, Liberty wrote:

On Mon, 04 Jul 2016 23:04:37 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 04 Jul 2016 22:49:44 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
wrote:

On Mon, 04 Jul 2016 16:32:29 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

Since we can't all be rich the only way for us to be equal is to make
everyone poor.

Lefties think you can make everyone rich by taxing the rich and giving to the poor.

Cite?

Go listen to labour/green drivel.

So it was pure fiction. Do not post if you cannot support your
ravings.

Rich you are a hypocritical twat. Practice what you preach.

Asking for a cite is a great way to shut Dickbot up.

Several years ago he accused me of lying on nz.general .

I asked him to provide three examples of lies I allegedly told. I am still waiting ..........

Must of been one of the new Richbots
who didn't know who he was dealing with.

All the attempts at distraction still leave this as a lie:
""Lefties think you can make everyone rich by taxing the rich and
giving to the poor."

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On Tue, 05 Jul 2016 23:13:19 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

Rich you are a hypocritical twat. Practice what you preach.

Asking for a cite is a great way to shut Dickbot up.

Several years ago he accused me of lying on nz.general .

I asked him to provide three examples of lies I allegedly told. I am still waiting ..........

Must of been one of the new Richbots
who didn't know who he was dealing with.

All the attempts at distraction still leave this as a lie:
""Lefties think you can make everyone rich by taxing the rich and
giving to the poor."

That is not a lie. It is and informed opinion which is also correct.

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On 7/5/2016 10:58 PM, Liberty wrote:

On Tue, 5 Jul 2016 03:17:06 -0700 (PDT), peterwn <peterwn@paradise.net.nz>

wrote:

On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 9:56:27 AM UTC+12, JohnO wrote:

On Tuesday, 5 July 2016 09:52:36 UTC+12, Liberty wrote:

On Mon, 04 Jul 2016 23:04:37 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 04 Jul 2016 22:49:44 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
wrote:

On Mon, 04 Jul 2016 16:32:29 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

Since we can't all be rich the only way for us to be equal is to make >>>>>>>>> everyone poor.

Lefties think you can make everyone rich by taxing the rich and giving

to the poor.

Cite?

Go listen to labour/green drivel.

So it was pure fiction. Do not post if you cannot support your
ravings.

Rich you are a hypocritical twat. Practice what you preach.

Asking for a cite is a great way to shut Dickbot up.

Several years ago he accused me of lying on nz.general .

I asked him to provide three examples of lies I allegedly told. I am still

waiting ..........

Must of been one of the new Richbots
who didn't know who he was dealing with.

The very name of richbot denotes a serious mental illness.
I recommend kill filing it and talk to the saner posters

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