• Angry little Andy flat out lied, got caught out, then lied again!

    From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, June 28, 2016 13:30:40
    First he tells a lie about John Shewan. He got shown up and eventually retracted the statement but didn't apologise. Why not - he's just smeared an upstanding citizen? The answer is that Angry little Andy is a low grade worm.

    But to make matters worse, Angry little Andy then told another lie, claiming that Sherwan didn't want an apology.

    That, is a flat out lie. There's no possibility of an innocent mistake or misunderstanding here. Little was told in writing by Sherwan that he expected an apology. Little is a barefaced liar.

    Angry little ain't fit to clean the Parliament toilets, let alone hold high office.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11664887

    "Mr Little said this morning that the former PwC chairman never sought an apology, only a correction to statements the Labour leader made following the release of the Panama Papers."

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11665006

    "'I specifically asked for an apology, that being because of the prolonged delay in getting the [comments corrected],' he said.

    Mr Shewan said the Labour leader's office rejected this request. He was also told that any further correspondence should be sent to Mr Little's lawyer."

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, June 28, 2016 13:35:45
    On Wednesday, 29 June 2016 08:30:42 UTC+12, JohnO wrote:
    <snip>

    Here's the letter Sherwan sent to Angry little Andy's lawyers:

    "The suggested response is not acceptable. It does not recognise the severity of the incorrect statement made by Mr Little.

    It’s reasonable to expect a person in Mr Little’s position to understand the impact and damage the statement he has made would have on me personally and
    the potential they have to negatively impact my business now and in the future.

    I have been fair and extremely patient. It is close to two months since Mr Little caused me and my family considerable stress and humiliation.

    My efforts to address the issue in a fair and timely way were responded to by procrastination and vain efforts to fob me off, whereas they could and should have brought a prompt resolution to this matter.

    The statements made were patently wrong and damaging to my reputation and I now
    require an unqualified retraction which will go some way towards mitigating the
    damage that has already been caused.

    A correction along the lines you are suggesting would be unacceptable.

    I now request the statement I sent to you yesterday be issued with the following additions: ‘I apologise to Mr Shewan for any embarrassment I have caused him through my statements’.”

    Please advise Mr Little’s position by 5pm today."

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  • From Fred@3:770/3 to JohnO on Wednesday, June 29, 2016 11:07:44
    On 29/06/2016 8:30 AM, JohnO wrote:
    First he tells a lie about John Shewan. He got shown up and eventually
    retracted the statement but didn't apologise. Why not - he's just smeared an upstanding citizen? The answer is that Angry little Andy is a low grade worm.

    But to make matters worse, Angry little Andy then told another lie, claiming
    that Sherwan didn't want an apology.

    That, is a flat out lie. There's no possibility of an innocent mistake or
    misunderstanding here. Little was told in writing by Sherwan that he expected an apology. Little is a barefaced liar.

    Angry little ain't fit to clean the Parliament toilets, let alone hold high
    office.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11664887

    "Mr Little said this morning that the former PwC chairman never sought an
    apology, only a correction to statements the Labour leader made following the release of the Panama Papers."

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11665006

    "'I specifically asked for an apology, that being because of the prolonged
    delay in getting the [comments corrected],' he said.

    Mr Shewan said the Labour leader's office rejected this request. He was also
    told that any further correspondence should be sent to Mr Little's lawyer."

    Surely leaving Little as leader is another one of the thousand cuts.
    He's a liability and I hope they change him. Nobody wins when there's no opposition.

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  • From george152@3:770/3 to JohnO on Wednesday, June 29, 2016 14:30:26
    On 6/29/2016 8:35 AM, JohnO wrote:
    On Wednesday, 29 June 2016 08:30:42 UTC+12, JohnO wrote:
    <snip>

    Here's the letter Sherwan sent to Angry little Andy's lawyers:

    "The suggested response is not acceptable. It does not recognise the severity
    of the incorrect statement made by Mr Little.

    It’s reasonable to expect a person in Mr Little’s position to understand
    the impact and damage the statement he has made would have on me personally and
    the potential they have to negatively impact my business now and in the future.

    I have been fair and extremely patient. It is close to two months since Mr
    Little caused me and my family considerable stress and humiliation.

    My efforts to address the issue in a fair and timely way were responded to by
    procrastination and vain efforts to fob me off, whereas they could and should have brought a prompt resolution to this matter.

    The statements made were patently wrong and damaging to my reputation and I
    now require an unqualified retraction which will go some way towards mitigating
    the damage that has already been caused.

    A correction along the lines you are suggesting would be unacceptable.

    I now request the statement I sent to you yesterday be issued with the
    following additions: ‘I apologise to Mr Shewan for any embarrassment I have caused him through my statements’.”

    Please advise Mr Little’s position by 5pm today."


    Wow.
    And I suppose the angry little man thinks that this is going to blow over... That'll be two court cases he's up for

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  • From Crash@3:770/3 to Fred on Wednesday, June 29, 2016 20:42:50
    On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 11:07:44 +1200, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 29/06/2016 8:30 AM, JohnO wrote:
    First he tells a lie about John Shewan. He got shown up and eventually retracted the statement but didn't apologise. Why not - he's just smeared an upstanding citizen? The answer is that Angry little Andy is a low grade worm. >>
    But to make matters worse, Angry little Andy then told another lie, claiming
    that Sherwan didn't want an apology.

    That, is a flat out lie. There's no possibility of an innocent mistake or misunderstanding here. Little was told in writing by Sherwan that he expected an apology. Little is a barefaced liar.

    Angry little ain't fit to clean the Parliament toilets, let alone hold high office.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11664887

    "Mr Little said this morning that the former PwC chairman never sought an apology, only a correction to statements the Labour leader made following the release of the Panama Papers."

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11665006 >>
    "'I specifically asked for an apology, that being because of the prolonged delay in getting the [comments corrected],' he said.

    Mr Shewan said the Labour leader's office rejected this request. He was also
    told that any further correspondence should be sent to Mr Little's lawyer."

    Surely leaving Little as leader is another one of the thousand cuts.
    He's a liability and I hope they change him. Nobody wins when there's no >opposition.

    The problem Labour have in NZ is who do they have to replace Little?
    Since Helen Clark left they have tried Goff, Shearer, and Cunliffe as peer-elected leaders (ie elected by the Labour Caucus) and then Little
    (elected by a wider group and the new MP on the block).

    So Little remains leader by default?


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    Crash McBash

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  • From george152@3:770/3 to Crash on Thursday, June 30, 2016 08:08:53
    On 6/29/2016 8:42 PM, Crash wrote:
    On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 11:07:44 +1200, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 29/06/2016 8:30 AM, JohnO wrote:
    First he tells a lie about John Shewan. He got shown up and eventually retracted the statement but didn't apologise. Why not - he's just smeared an upstanding citizen? The answer is that Angry little Andy is a low grade worm. >>>
    But to make matters worse, Angry little Andy then told another lie, claiming that Sherwan didn't want an apology.

    That, is a flat out lie. There's no possibility of an innocent mistake or misunderstanding here. Little was told in writing by Sherwan that he expected an apology. Little is a barefaced liar.

    Angry little ain't fit to clean the Parliament toilets, let alone hold high
    office.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11664887

    "Mr Little said this morning that the former PwC chairman never sought an apology, only a correction to statements the Labour leader made following the release of the Panama Papers."

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11665006

    "'I specifically asked for an apology, that being because of the prolonged delay in getting the [comments corrected],' he said.

    Mr Shewan said the Labour leader's office rejected this request. He was also told that any further correspondence should be sent to Mr Little's lawyer."

    Surely leaving Little as leader is another one of the thousand cuts.
    He's a liability and I hope they change him. Nobody wins when there's no
    opposition.

    The problem Labour have in NZ is who do they have to replace Little?
    Since Helen Clark left they have tried Goff, Shearer, and Cunliffe as peer-elected leaders (ie elected by the Labour Caucus) and then Little (elected by a wider group and the new MP on the block).

    So Little remains leader by default?

    Maybe they could try recycling those leaders' passed over?
    It's not as if they're spoiled for choice...
    And I'd like to see Mr Shewan ignore any further excuses from the angry
    little man and seek retribution for the slander....

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Wednesday, June 29, 2016 22:04:20
    On Thursday, 30 June 2016 16:57:28 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 08:08:53 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

    On 6/29/2016 8:42 PM, Crash wrote:
    On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 11:07:44 +1200, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 29/06/2016 8:30 AM, JohnO wrote:
    First he tells a lie about John Shewan. He got shown up and eventually
    retracted the statement but didn't apologise. Why not - he's just smeared an upstanding citizen? The answer is that Angry little Andy is a low grade worm.

    But to make matters worse, Angry little Andy then told another lie,
    claiming that Sherwan didn't want an apology.

    That, is a flat out lie. There's no possibility of an innocent mistake
    or misunderstanding here. Little was told in writing by Sherwan that he expected an apology. Little is a barefaced liar.

    Angry little ain't fit to clean the Parliament toilets, let alone hold
    high office.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11664887 >>>>
    "Mr Little said this morning that the former PwC chairman never sought
    an apology, only a correction to statements the Labour leader made following the release of the Panama Papers."

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11665006

    "'I specifically asked for an apology, that being because of the
    prolonged delay in getting the [comments corrected],' he said.

    Mr Shewan said the Labour leader's office rejected this request. He was
    also told that any further correspondence should be sent to Mr Little's lawyer."

    Surely leaving Little as leader is another one of the thousand cuts.
    He's a liability and I hope they change him. Nobody wins when there's no >>> opposition.

    The problem Labour have in NZ is who do they have to replace Little?
    Since Helen Clark left they have tried Goff, Shearer, and Cunliffe as
    peer-elected leaders (ie elected by the Labour Caucus) and then Little
    (elected by a wider group and the new MP on the block).

    So Little remains leader by default?

    Maybe they could try recycling those leaders' passed over?
    It's not as if they're spoiled for choice...
    And I'd like to see Mr Shewan ignore any further excuses from the angry >little man and seek retribution for the slander....


    I'vew been away for a while, but the same people are being sucked in
    by non-news from "reporters"interviewing their imagination - this must
    have been a little embarassing for Patrick Gower: http://www.newshub.co.nz/opinion/opinion-case-closed-in-andrew-little-v-john-shewan-stoush-2016062918#axzz4D0565kGU

    For more important issues, see: https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/opinion-perhaps-government-might-want-say-sorry

    So according to Dickbot , it's OK for Angry little Andy to tell a lie about someone, then refuse to acknowledge he lied until two hours before an All Blacks test kickoff to bury it, then subsequently lie about not being asked for
    an apology.

    It's a strange world of double standards and hypocrisy inside Dickbot's tiny little head.

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to gblack@hnpl.net on Thursday, June 30, 2016 16:57:59
    On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 08:08:53 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

    On 6/29/2016 8:42 PM, Crash wrote:
    On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 11:07:44 +1200, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 29/06/2016 8:30 AM, JohnO wrote:
    First he tells a lie about John Shewan. He got shown up and eventually retracted the statement but didn't apologise. Why not - he's just smeared an upstanding citizen? The answer is that Angry little Andy is a low grade worm. >>>>
    But to make matters worse, Angry little Andy then told another lie, claiming that Sherwan didn't want an apology.

    That, is a flat out lie. There's no possibility of an innocent mistake or misunderstanding here. Little was told in writing by Sherwan that he expected an apology. Little is a barefaced liar.

    Angry little ain't fit to clean the Parliament toilets, let alone hold high office.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11664887 >>>>
    "Mr Little said this morning that the former PwC chairman never sought an apology, only a correction to statements the Labour leader made following the release of the Panama Papers."

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11665006

    "'I specifically asked for an apology, that being because of the prolonged
    delay in getting the [comments corrected],' he said.

    Mr Shewan said the Labour leader's office rejected this request. He was also told that any further correspondence should be sent to Mr Little's lawyer."

    Surely leaving Little as leader is another one of the thousand cuts.
    He's a liability and I hope they change him. Nobody wins when there's no >>> opposition.

    The problem Labour have in NZ is who do they have to replace Little?
    Since Helen Clark left they have tried Goff, Shearer, and Cunliffe as
    peer-elected leaders (ie elected by the Labour Caucus) and then Little
    (elected by a wider group and the new MP on the block).

    So Little remains leader by default?

    Maybe they could try recycling those leaders' passed over?
    It's not as if they're spoiled for choice...
    And I'd like to see Mr Shewan ignore any further excuses from the angry >little man and seek retribution for the slander....


    I'vew been away for a while, but the same people are being sucked in
    by non-news from "reporters"interviewing their imagination - this must
    have been a little embarassing for Patrick Gower: http://www.newshub.co.nz/opinion/opinion-case-closed-in-andrew-little-v-john-shewan-stoush-2016062918#axzz4D0565kGU

    For more important issues, see: https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/opinion-perhaps-government-might-want-say-sorry

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  • From george152@3:770/3 to JohnO on Thursday, June 30, 2016 17:25:23
    On 6/30/2016 5:04 PM, JohnO wrote:
    On Thursday, 30 June 2016 16:57:28 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 08:08:53 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

    On 6/29/2016 8:42 PM, Crash wrote:
    On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 11:07:44 +1200, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 29/06/2016 8:30 AM, JohnO wrote:
    First he tells a lie about John Shewan. He got shown up and eventually retracted the statement but didn't apologise. Why not - he's just smeared an upstanding citizen? The answer is that Angry little Andy is a low grade worm. >>>>>>
    But to make matters worse, Angry little Andy then told another lie, claiming that Sherwan didn't want an apology.

    That, is a flat out lie. There's no possibility of an innocent mistake or misunderstanding here. Little was told in writing by Sherwan that he expected an apology. Little is a barefaced liar.

    Angry little ain't fit to clean the Parliament toilets, let alone hold high office.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11664887 >>>>>>
    "Mr Little said this morning that the former PwC chairman never sought an apology, only a correction to statements the Labour leader made following the release of the Panama Papers."

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11665006

    "'I specifically asked for an apology, that being because of the prolonged delay in getting the [comments corrected],' he said.

    Mr Shewan said the Labour leader's office rejected this request. He was also told that any further correspondence should be sent to Mr Little's lawyer."

    Surely leaving Little as leader is another one of the thousand cuts. >>>>> He's a liability and I hope they change him. Nobody wins when there's no >>>>> opposition.

    The problem Labour have in NZ is who do they have to replace Little?
    Since Helen Clark left they have tried Goff, Shearer, and Cunliffe as
    peer-elected leaders (ie elected by the Labour Caucus) and then Little >>>> (elected by a wider group and the new MP on the block).

    So Little remains leader by default?

    Maybe they could try recycling those leaders' passed over?
    It's not as if they're spoiled for choice...
    And I'd like to see Mr Shewan ignore any further excuses from the angry
    little man and seek retribution for the slander....


    I'vew been away for a while, but the same people are being sucked in
    by non-news from "reporters"interviewing their imagination - this must
    have been a little embarassing for Patrick Gower:
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/opinion/opinion-case-closed-in-andrew-little-v-john-shewan-stoush-2016062918#axzz4D0565kGU

    For more important issues, see:
    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/opinion-perhaps-government-might-want-say-sorry

    So according to Dickbot , it's OK for Angry little Andy to tell a lie about
    someone, then refuse to acknowledge he lied until two hours before an All Blacks test kickoff to bury it, then subsequently lie about not being asked for
    an apology.

    It's a strange world of double standards and hypocrisy inside Dickbot's tiny
    little head.

    Especially as the 'reporters' have definite prejudices hidden under the
    flag 'opinion'

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to gblack@hnpl.net on Thursday, June 30, 2016 22:32:11
    On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 17:25:23 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

    On 6/30/2016 5:04 PM, JohnO wrote:
    On Thursday, 30 June 2016 16:57:28 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 08:08:53 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

    On 6/29/2016 8:42 PM, Crash wrote:
    On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 11:07:44 +1200, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>
    On 29/06/2016 8:30 AM, JohnO wrote:
    First he tells a lie about John Shewan. He got shown up and eventually retracted the statement but didn't apologise. Why not - he's just smeared an upstanding citizen? The answer is that Angry little Andy is a low grade worm. >>>>>>>
    But to make matters worse, Angry little Andy then told another lie, claiming that Sherwan didn't want an apology.

    That, is a flat out lie. There's no possibility of an innocent mistake or misunderstanding here. Little was told in writing by Sherwan that he expected an apology. Little is a barefaced liar.

    Angry little ain't fit to clean the Parliament toilets, let alone hold high office.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11664887 >>>>>>>
    "Mr Little said this morning that the former PwC chairman never sought an apology, only a correction to statements the Labour leader made following the release of the Panama Papers."

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11665006

    "'I specifically asked for an apology, that being because of the prolonged delay in getting the [comments corrected],' he said.

    Mr Shewan said the Labour leader's office rejected this request. He was
    also told that any further correspondence should be sent to Mr Little's lawyer."

    Surely leaving Little as leader is another one of the thousand cuts. >>>>>> He's a liability and I hope they change him. Nobody wins when there's no >>>>>> opposition.

    The problem Labour have in NZ is who do they have to replace Little? >>>>> Since Helen Clark left they have tried Goff, Shearer, and Cunliffe as >>>>> peer-elected leaders (ie elected by the Labour Caucus) and then Little >>>>> (elected by a wider group and the new MP on the block).

    So Little remains leader by default?

    Maybe they could try recycling those leaders' passed over?
    It's not as if they're spoiled for choice...
    And I'd like to see Mr Shewan ignore any further excuses from the angry >>>> little man and seek retribution for the slander....


    I'vew been away for a while, but the same people are being sucked in
    by non-news from "reporters"interviewing their imagination - this must
    have been a little embarassing for Patrick Gower:
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/opinion/opinion-case-closed-in-andrew-little-v-john-shewan-stoush-2016062918#axzz4D0565kGU

    For more important issues, see:
    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/opinion-perhaps-government-might-want-say-sorry

    So according to Dickbot , it's OK for Angry little Andy to tell a lie about someone, then refuse to acknowledge he lied until two hours before an All Blacks test kickoff to bury it, then subsequently lie about not being asked for
    an apology.

    He corrected a mistake exactly in accordance with the request from
    Shewin. Even Gower, who isnt exactly a fan of Labour, now accepts that
    Little did everything he promised nd was asked to do.

    It's a strange world of double standards and hypocrisy inside Dickbot's tiny
    little head.

    The negotiation was in writing - effectively a contract - you just
    don;t believe that any contract needs to be met

    Especially as the 'reporters' have definite prejudices hidden under the
    flag 'opinion'

    They sure do - Gower has an obsession with taking a left politician
    down - perhaps he will have better luck asking for an apology from
    National - theres plenty of material for him to work on : https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/opinion-perhaps-government-might-want-say-sorry

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