• Like David Dougherty...

    From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Monday, June 13, 2016 23:45:05
    We know for a fact Teina Pora didn't do it.

    Unlike David Bain.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/81070436/teina-pora-to-receive-2-million-compensation-payout

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  • From Tony @3:770/3 to JohnO on Tuesday, June 14, 2016 03:23:07
    JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
    We know for a fact Teina Pora didn't do it.

    Unlike David Bain.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/81070436/teina-pora-to-receive-2-million-compensation-payout
    I just hope that Teina gets good advice on how to invest the money; well invested it should help him lead a comfortable life.
    Tony

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, June 14, 2016 23:14:00
    On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 23:45:05 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    We know for a fact Teina Pora didn't do it.

    Unlike David Bain.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/81070436/teina-pora-to-receive-2-million-compensation-payout

    Your comparison just points out that this is essentially a political
    decision - the contrast with a decision for Bain is stark; it is
    unconscionable that the government (and I don;t think this has just
    been the Minister) in not making a decision on the Bain case. It also
    brings to mind the Christchurch creche case, where succesive
    governments have treated Peter Eillis with contempt - justice has not
    been served by the deliberate avoidabce of any decision except delay.

    It is clear that we need a better system than Ministerial whim to
    determine compensation - politicians should stick to setting policy
    and principles, and leavethe administration of justice to suitable
    independent prople (not necessarily all judicial).

    Having said that, the decision in this case does not appear to have
    been unduly delayed, and will be well accepted.

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  • From george152@3:770/3 to JohnO on Wednesday, June 15, 2016 08:14:13
    On 6/14/2016 6:45 PM, JohnO wrote:
    We know for a fact Teina Pora didn't do it.

    Unlike David Bain.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/81070436/teina-pora-to-receive-2-million-compensation-payout



    The pay out should come from the police budget and they can reimburse themselves by taking the salaries/retirement of those cops who caused
    this debacle

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  • From Mutlley@3:770/3 to All on Wednesday, June 15, 2016 08:31:56
    Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net dot nz> wrote:

    JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
    We know for a fact Teina Pora didn't do it.

    Unlike David Bain.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/81070436/teina-pora-to-receive-2-million-compensation-payout
    I just hope that Teina gets good advice on how to invest the money; well >invested it should help him lead a comfortable life.
    Tony

    Same here otherwize the family bros will all be holding their hands
    out and it will be gone with a year or two. $2 mil is not much for
    being locked up 20 years. I heard of a guy in Canada today that got
    locked up for 20 years and got $10 mil. In the US you most likely get
    lots more..

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to Mutlley on Tuesday, June 14, 2016 14:25:35
    On Wednesday, 15 June 2016 08:31:57 UTC+12, Mutlley wrote:
    Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net dot nz> wrote:

    JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
    We know for a fact Teina Pora didn't do it.

    Unlike David Bain.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/81070436/teina-pora-to-receive-2-million-compensation-payout
    I just hope that Teina gets good advice on how to invest the money; well >invested it should help him lead a comfortable life.
    Tony

    Same here otherwize the family bros will all be holding their hands
    out and it will be gone with a year or two. $2 mil is not much for
    being locked up 20 years. I heard of a guy in Canada today that got
    locked up for 20 years and got $10 mil. In the US you most likely get
    lots more..

    He needs to get a trust setup and trustees appointed to invest it for life long
    income and a house.

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to gblack@hnpl.net on Wednesday, June 15, 2016 15:12:41
    On Wed, 15 Jun 2016 08:14:13 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

    On 6/14/2016 6:45 PM, JohnO wrote:
    We know for a fact Teina Pora didn't do it.

    Unlike David Bain.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/81070436/teina-pora-to-receive-2-million-compensation-payout



    The pay out should come from the police budget and they can reimburse >themselves by taking the salaries/retirement of those cops who caused
    this debacle

    Do you think the police who caused the debace can still be identified?
    If any are still around, what legal means are you proposing to take
    from salaries / retirement income?

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Wednesday, June 15, 2016 15:30:41
    On Wed, 15 Jun 2016 08:31:56 +1200, Mutlley <mutley2000@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net dot nz> wrote:

    JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
    We know for a fact Teina Pora didn't do it.

    Unlike David Bain.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/81070436/teina-pora-to-receive-2-million-compensation-payout
    I just hope that Teina gets good advice on how to invest the money; well >>invested it should help him lead a comfortable life.
    Tony

    Same here otherwize the family bros will all be holding their hands
    out and it will be gone with a year or two. $2 mil is not much for
    being locked up 20 years. I heard of a guy in Canada today that got
    locked up for 20 years and got $10 mil. In the US you most likely get
    lots more..

    You are undoubtedly correct, but National excel in choosing numbers
    which are the minimum they can get away with without a huge fuss. To
    most people $2 million is a huge number; in reality it is less than
    Muldoon gave Arthur Thomas - $950,000 in 1980 which is probably
    equivalent to about $4 million now. Muldoon of course cared about
    people more than the current lot, but the Nats have probably focus
    grouped the decision and found that $2 million will be enough that
    they don't lose votes from it.

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  • From Allistar@3:770/3 to All on Wednesday, June 15, 2016 15:37:51
    Rich80105 wrote:

    On Wed, 15 Jun 2016 08:31:56 +1200, Mutlley <mutley2000@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net dot nz> wrote:

    JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
    We know for a fact Teina Pora didn't do it.

    Unlike David Bain.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/81070436/teina-pora-to-receive-2-million-compensation-payout
    I just hope that Teina gets good advice on how to invest the money; well >>>invested it should help him lead a comfortable life.
    Tony

    Same here otherwize the family bros will all be holding their hands
    out and it will be gone with a year or two. $2 mil is not much for
    being locked up 20 years. I heard of a guy in Canada today that got >>locked up for 20 years and got $10 mil. In the US you most likely get
    lots more..

    You are undoubtedly correct, but National excel in choosing numbers
    which are the minimum they can get away with without a huge fuss. To
    most people $2 million is a huge number; in reality it is less than
    Muldoon gave Arthur Thomas - $950,000 in 1980 which is probably
    equivalent to about $4 million now. Muldoon of course cared about
    people more than the current lot, but the Nats have probably focus
    grouped the decision and found that $2 million will be enough that
    they don't lose votes from it.

    You're forgetting where the money comes from. As always.
    --
    "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
    creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, June 14, 2016 21:01:25
    On Wednesday, 15 June 2016 15:30:48 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Jun 2016 08:31:56 +1200, Mutlley <mutley2000@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net dot nz> wrote:

    JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
    We know for a fact Teina Pora didn't do it.

    Unlike David Bain.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/81070436/teina-pora-to-receive-2-million-compensation-payout
    I just hope that Teina gets good advice on how to invest the money; well >>invested it should help him lead a comfortable life.
    Tony

    Same here otherwize the family bros will all be holding their hands
    out and it will be gone with a year or two. $2 mil is not much for
    being locked up 20 years. I heard of a guy in Canada today that got >locked up for 20 years and got $10 mil. In the US you most likely get
    lots more..

    You are undoubtedly correct, but National excel in choosing numbers
    which are the minimum they can get away with without a huge fuss. To
    most people $2 million is a huge number; in reality it is less than
    Muldoon gave Arthur Thomas - $950,000 in 1980 which is probably

    Of course it is less than the amount Thomas was awarded you fool - for reasons that should be obvious to anyone not completely ignorant of the case.

    equivalent to about $4 million now. Muldoon of course cared about
    people more than the current lot,

    ROTFLMAO. God you're an idiot.

    but the Nats have probably focus
    grouped the decision and found that $2 million will be enough that
    they don't lose votes from it.

    The way they're going you'd think Labour use focus groups to see how best to make themselves un-electable.

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  • From Fred@3:770/3 to JohnO on Wednesday, June 15, 2016 16:38:42
    On 15-Jun-16 4:01 PM, JohnO wrote:
    On Wednesday, 15 June 2016 15:30:48 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Jun 2016 08:31:56 +1200, Mutlley <mutley2000@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net dot nz> wrote:

    JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
    We know for a fact Teina Pora didn't do it.

    Unlike David Bain.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/81070436/teina-pora-to-receive-2-million-compensation-payout
    I just hope that Teina gets good advice on how to invest the money; well >>>> invested it should help him lead a comfortable life.
    Tony

    Same here otherwize the family bros will all be holding their hands
    out and it will be gone with a year or two. $2 mil is not much for
    being locked up 20 years. I heard of a guy in Canada today that got
    locked up for 20 years and got $10 mil. In the US you most likely get
    lots more..

    You are undoubtedly correct, but National excel in choosing numbers
    which are the minimum they can get away with without a huge fuss. To
    most people $2 million is a huge number; in reality it is less than
    Muldoon gave Arthur Thomas - $950,000 in 1980 which is probably

    Of course it is less than the amount Thomas was awarded you fool - for
    reasons that should be obvious to anyone not completely ignorant of the case.

    equivalent to about $4 million now. Muldoon of course cared about
    people more than the current lot,

    ROTFLMAO. God you're an idiot.

    but the Nats have probably focus
    grouped the decision and found that $2 million will be enough that
    they don't lose votes from it.

    The way they're going you'd think Labour use focus groups to see how best to
    make themselves un-electable.


    I reckon National MPs are giving them backhanders to make dicks of
    themselves. Waste of money though. They can do it all by themselves
    without any incentive.

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Wednesday, June 15, 2016 23:17:40
    On Wed, 15 Jun 2016 15:37:51 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 wrote:

    On Wed, 15 Jun 2016 08:31:56 +1200, Mutlley <mutley2000@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net dot nz> wrote:

    JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
    We know for a fact Teina Pora didn't do it.

    Unlike David Bain.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/81070436/teina-pora-to-receive-2-million-compensation-payout
    I just hope that Teina gets good advice on how to invest the money; well >>>>invested it should help him lead a comfortable life.
    Tony

    Same here otherwize the family bros will all be holding their hands
    out and it will be gone with a year or two. $2 mil is not much for >>>being locked up 20 years. I heard of a guy in Canada today that got >>>locked up for 20 years and got $10 mil. In the US you most likely get >>>lots more..

    You are undoubtedly correct, but National excel in choosing numbers
    which are the minimum they can get away with without a huge fuss. To
    most people $2 million is a huge number; in reality it is less than
    Muldoon gave Arthur Thomas - $950,000 in 1980 which is probably
    equivalent to about $4 million now. Muldoon of course cared about
    people more than the current lot, but the Nats have probably focus
    grouped the decision and found that $2 million will be enough that
    they don't lose votes from it.

    You're forgetting where the money comes from. As always.

    So would it be better if Pora had sued the government for wrongful imprisonment? He may well have got more - and certainly there would
    have been some lawyers happy to help - for a fee. Commentators have
    said that if this happened in America the award would have been
    significantly larger - would you be happy with that, Allistar?

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Wednesday, June 15, 2016 23:26:42
    On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 21:01:25 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Wednesday, 15 June 2016 15:30:48 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Jun 2016 08:31:56 +1200, Mutlley <mutley2000@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net dot nz> wrote:

    JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
    We know for a fact Teina Pora didn't do it.

    Unlike David Bain.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/81070436/teina-pora-to-receive-2-million-compensation-payout
    I just hope that Teina gets good advice on how to invest the money; well >> >>invested it should help him lead a comfortable life.
    Tony

    Same here otherwize the family bros will all be holding their hands
    out and it will be gone with a year or two. $2 mil is not much for
    being locked up 20 years. I heard of a guy in Canada today that got
    locked up for 20 years and got $10 mil. In the US you most likely get
    lots more..

    You are undoubtedly correct, but National excel in choosing numbers
    which are the minimum they can get away with without a huge fuss. To
    most people $2 million is a huge number; in reality it is less than
    Muldoon gave Arthur Thomas - $950,000 in 1980 which is probably

    Of course it is less than the amount Thomas was awarded you fool - for reasons
    that should be obvious to anyone not completely ignorant of the case.

    Are you referring to Pora being imprisoned for a different period of
    time than Thomas? Taking that into account, what should the $2.5
    million have been, JohnO?


    equivalent to about $4 million now. Muldoon of course cared about
    people more than the current lot,

    ROTFLMAO. God you're an idiot.

    I am flattered that you think I am a deity, but disappointed that you
    have no argument to support any argument you may be making - although
    I expect you were just being irrelevant . . .


    but the Nats have probably focus
    grouped the decision and found that $2 million will be enough that
    they don't lose votes from it.

    The way they're going you'd think Labour use focus groups to see how best to make themselves un-electable.

    Why do you say that? What have Labour said about the compensation for
    Pora?

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  • From Allistar@3:770/3 to All on Thursday, June 16, 2016 01:02:16
    Rich80105 wrote:

    On Wed, 15 Jun 2016 15:37:51 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 wrote:

    On Wed, 15 Jun 2016 08:31:56 +1200, Mutlley <mutley2000@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net dot nz> wrote:

    JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
    We know for a fact Teina Pora didn't do it.

    Unlike David Bain.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/81070436/teina-pora-to-receive-2-million-compensation-payout
    I just hope that Teina gets good advice on how to invest the money; >>>>>well invested it should help him lead a comfortable life.
    Tony

    Same here otherwize the family bros will all be holding their hands >>>>out and it will be gone with a year or two. $2 mil is not much for >>>>being locked up 20 years. I heard of a guy in Canada today that got >>>>locked up for 20 years and got $10 mil. In the US you most likely get >>>>lots more..

    You are undoubtedly correct, but National excel in choosing numbers
    which are the minimum they can get away with without a huge fuss. To
    most people $2 million is a huge number; in reality it is less than
    Muldoon gave Arthur Thomas - $950,000 in 1980 which is probably
    equivalent to about $4 million now. Muldoon of course cared about
    people more than the current lot, but the Nats have probably focus
    grouped the decision and found that $2 million will be enough that
    they don't lose votes from it.

    You're forgetting where the money comes from. As always.

    So would it be better if Pora had sued the government for wrongful imprisonment? He may well have got more - and certainly there would
    have been some lawyers happy to help - for a fee. Commentators have
    said that if this happened in America the award would have been
    significantly larger - would you be happy with that, Allistar?

    This whole affair is a tragedy. Yes he deserves compensation. It's a shame
    this has to come from people who had no say in how this was run. The moral hazard in this stinks.
    --
    "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
    creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)
  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Wednesday, June 15, 2016 13:11:29
    On Wednesday, 15 June 2016 23:26:48 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 21:01:25 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Wednesday, 15 June 2016 15:30:48 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Jun 2016 08:31:56 +1200, Mutlley <mutley2000@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net dot nz> wrote:

    JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
    We know for a fact Teina Pora didn't do it.

    Unlike David Bain.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/81070436/teina-pora-to-receive-2-million-compensation-payout
    I just hope that Teina gets good advice on how to invest the money; well >> >>invested it should help him lead a comfortable life.
    Tony

    Same here otherwize the family bros will all be holding their hands
    out and it will be gone with a year or two. $2 mil is not much for
    being locked up 20 years. I heard of a guy in Canada today that got
    locked up for 20 years and got $10 mil. In the US you most likely get
    lots more..

    You are undoubtedly correct, but National excel in choosing numbers
    which are the minimum they can get away with without a huge fuss. To
    most people $2 million is a huge number; in reality it is less than
    Muldoon gave Arthur Thomas - $950,000 in 1980 which is probably

    Of course it is less than the amount Thomas was awarded you fool - for
    reasons that should be obvious to anyone not completely ignorant of the case.

    Are you referring to Pora being imprisoned for a different period of
    time than Thomas?

    No, Dumbo.

    Taking that into account, what should the $2.5
    million have been, JohnO?


    I', not "taking that into account", Dumbo. There's a much more significant factor involved, that all but the dimmest and most ignorant would be aware of.


    equivalent to about $4 million now. Muldoon of course cared about
    people more than the current lot,

    ROTFLMAO. God you're an idiot.

    I am flattered that you think I am a deity,

    Do you really think your response makes you look clever?

    but disappointed that you
    have no argument to support any argument you may be making - although
    I expect you were just being irrelevant . . .


    You're so dim you've completemy missed the point I was making, and I am finding
    your disconnected floundering here quite hilarious.


    but the Nats have probably focus
    grouped the decision and found that $2 million will be enough that
    they don't lose votes from it.

    The way they're going you'd think Labour use focus groups to see how best to
    make themselves un-electable.

    Why do you say that? What have Labour said about the compensation for
    Pora?

    <sigh>

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  • From george152@3:770/3 to All on Thursday, June 16, 2016 08:59:24
    On 6/16/2016 1:02 AM, Allistar wrote:
    This whole affair is a tragedy. Yes he deserves compensation. It's a
    shame
    this has to come from people who had no say in how this was run. The moral hazard in this stinks.


    The police who 'interviewed' him should be among those who are brought
    to justice over this debacle..

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  • From Roger Dewhurst@3:770/3 to JohnO on Wednesday, June 15, 2016 20:04:08
    On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 6:45:06 PM UTC+12, JohnO wrote:
    We know for a fact Teina Pora didn't do it.

    Unlike David Bain.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/81070436/teina-pora-to-receive-2-million-compensation-payout

    By appointing a lawyer, who surely knows on which side his bread is buttered, to advise the government on appropriate compensation is just a cop-out. This is a moral issue and lawyers are the last people to consult on moral issues. Doubtless he has
    taken the rate of $100,000 per year, multiplied it by 21 added half a million to make it appear that the government has made an effort, then added a few dollars and cents to make the calculation look accurate.

    The figure should be determined by a jury with the median (not the average) figure being selected. Selection of the median figure, rather than the average, removes the effects of idiots at either end of the scale. Both the case for the victim and the
    case for the Crown would be argued by lawyers representing both sides. The victim's lawyer's fee or reward would be proportional to the award to his client but paid by the Crown. That might keep him honest.

    Alternatively the rate, whatever it may be, should increase with time because an increasing proportion of the victim's life is taken from him. I suggest that
    the rate should progressively double over each decade thus the annual rate at year ten would be
    double the rate for the first year and the rate for the 20th year would be four
    times the rate for the first year. On that basis I would suggest that $100,000
    for the first year is too generous but two and a half million for 21 years is miserly.

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to Roger Dewhurst on Wednesday, June 15, 2016 20:56:20
    On Thursday, 16 June 2016 15:04:10 UTC+12, Roger Dewhurst wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 6:45:06 PM UTC+12, JohnO wrote:
    We know for a fact Teina Pora didn't do it.

    Unlike David Bain.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/81070436/teina-pora-to-receive-2-million-compensation-payout

    By appointing a lawyer, who surely knows on which side his bread is buttered,
    to advise the government on appropriate compensation is just a cop-out. This is a moral issue and lawyers are the last people to consult on moral issues. Doubtless he has
    taken the rate of $100,000 per year, multiplied it by 21 added half a million to make it appear that the government has made an effort, then added a few dollars and cents to make the calculation look accurate.

    The figure should be determined by a jury with the median (not the average)
    figure being selected. Selection of the median figure, rather than the average, removes the effects of idiots at either end of the scale.

    Assuming there isn't a jury with several idiots... I wouldn't be so sure about that.

    Look at the US - juries are happy to give away other people's money at ludicrous rates.

    Both the case for the victim and the case for the Crown would be argued by
    lawyers representing both sides. The victim's lawyer's fee or reward would be proportional to the award to his client but paid by the Crown. That might keep
    him honest.

    Again, looks like the US system - something I'd hate to see here with courts full of ambulance chasing lawyers.


    Alternatively the rate, whatever it may be, should increase with time because
    an increasing proportion of the victim's life is taken from him. I suggest that
    the rate should progressively double over each decade thus the annual rate at year ten would
    be double the rate for the first year and the rate for the 20th year would be four times the rate for the first year. On that basis I would suggest that $100,000 for the first year is too generous but two and a half million for 21 years is miserly.

    No amount will give the guy his life back. It's pointless to try to do so by throwing *our* money around like confetti.

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to All on Thursday, June 23, 2016 15:04:14
    "JohnO" <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote in message news:f157defc-1d1a-4eea-8a18-7bea518bf622@googlegroups.com...
    On Wednesday, 15 June 2016 15:30:48 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Jun 2016 08:31:56 +1200, Mutlley <mutley2000@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net dot nz> wrote:

    JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
    We know for a fact Teina Pora didn't do it.

    Unlike David Bain.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/81070436/teina-pora-to-receive-2-million-compensation-payout
    I just hope that Teina gets good advice on how to invest the money;
    well
    invested it should help him lead a comfortable life.
    Tony

    Same here otherwize the family bros will all be holding their hands
    out and it will be gone with a year or two. $2 mil is not much for
    being locked up 20 years. I heard of a guy in Canada today that got
    locked up for 20 years and got $10 mil. In the US you most likely get
    lots more..

    You are undoubtedly correct, but National excel in choosing numbers
    which are the minimum they can get away with without a huge fuss. To
    most people $2 million is a huge number; in reality it is less than
    Muldoon gave Arthur Thomas - $950,000 in 1980 which is probably

    Of course it is less than the amount Thomas was awarded you fool - for reasons that should be obvious to anyone not completely ignorant of the
    case.


    You forgetting this is the uneducatable Rich you're addressing JohnO?

    equivalent to about $4 million now. Muldoon of course cared about
    people more than the current lot,

    ROTFLMAO. God you're an idiot.

    but the Nats have probably focus
    grouped the decision and found that $2 million will be enough that
    they don't lose votes from it.

    The way they're going you'd think Labour use focus groups to see how best
    to make themselves un-electable.


    Nah. They just keep McCarten on as advisor. Probably part of Nationals
    master plan to win the next two elections...

    Pooh

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Thursday, June 23, 2016 15:07:24
    "Rich80105" <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:5qh1mb1b29srdift57t4p1ge489sd4sd5p@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 15 Jun 2016 08:14:13 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

    On 6/14/2016 6:45 PM, JohnO wrote:
    We know for a fact Teina Pora didn't do it.

    Unlike David Bain.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/81070436/teina-pora-to-receive-2-million-compensation-payout



    The pay out should come from the police budget and they can reimburse >>themselves by taking the salaries/retirement of those cops who caused
    this debacle

    Do you think the police who caused the debace can still be identified?
    If any are still around, what legal means are you proposing to take
    from salaries / retirement income?

    Once again you prove what an utterly stupid Trotsky twat you are Rich. Do
    you realy hink the records of the police case have been destroyed?

    Pooh

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  • From Fred@3:770/3 to Mutlley on Friday, June 24, 2016 11:55:02
    On 15/06/2016 8:31 AM, Mutlley wrote:
    Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net dot nz> wrote:

    JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
    We know for a fact Teina Pora didn't do it.

    Unlike David Bain.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/81070436/teina-pora-to-receive-2-million-compensation-payout
    I just hope that Teina gets good advice on how to invest the money; well
    invested it should help him lead a comfortable life.
    Tony

    Same here otherwize the family bros will all be holding their hands
    out and it will be gone with a year or two. $2 mil is not much for
    being locked up 20 years. I heard of a guy in Canada today that got
    locked up for 20 years and got $10 mil. In the US you most likely get
    lots more..

    Except by now you probably would have been hanged.

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