• No punishment so no apology - Finlayson

    From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Friday, June 10, 2016 13:07:31
    National Ministers again caught having botched something.

    We know that National once regarded anything as OK so long as it
    wasn't illegal.
    Then a year or so ago they moved to saying "its OK if you are not
    taken to court",
    then to "its OK if a court doesn't rule against you"

    Now Finlayson (who just happens to be Attorney-General!) is saying
    that anything he does is OK even if a court tells him he was wrong -
    so long as there is no penalty to him! http://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/minister-refuses-to-apologise-after-botched-land-deal-2016060918#axzz4B8KmKhTX

    Finlayson may know a little about the law - he was appointed
    Attroney-General by National, but had to recomend himself to be
    appointed a QC. He seems to have forgottent hat a lawyer is supposed
    to have ethics as well as legal cunning . . .

    The arrogance has no bounds - time they went.

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  • From Allistar@3:770/3 to All on Friday, June 10, 2016 13:28:21
    Rich80105 wrote:

    National Ministers again caught having botched something.

    We know that National once regarded anything as OK so long as it
    wasn't illegal.
    Then a year or so ago they moved to saying "its OK if you are not
    taken to court",
    then to "its OK if a court doesn't rule against you"

    Now Finlayson (who just happens to be Attorney-General!) is saying
    that anything he does is OK even if a court tells him he was wrong -
    so long as there is no penalty to him! http://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/minister-refuses-to-apologise-after-botched-land-deal-2016060918#axzz4B8KmKhTX

    Finlayson may know a little about the law - he was appointed
    Attroney-General by National, but had to recomend himself to be
    appointed a QC. He seems to have forgottent hat a lawyer is supposed
    to have ethics as well as legal cunning . . .

    The arrogance has no bounds - time they went.

    Too bad there's no suitable replacement in sight.
    --
    "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
    creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Friday, June 10, 2016 14:13:49
    On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 13:28:21 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 wrote:

    National Ministers again caught having botched something.

    We know that National once regarded anything as OK so long as it
    wasn't illegal.
    Then a year or so ago they moved to saying "its OK if you are not
    taken to court",
    then to "its OK if a court doesn't rule against you"

    Now Finlayson (who just happens to be Attorney-General!) is saying
    that anything he does is OK even if a court tells him he was wrong -
    so long as there is no penalty to him!
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/minister-refuses-to-apologise-after-botched-land-deal-2016060918#axzz4B8KmKhTX

    Finlayson may know a little about the law - he was appointed
    Attroney-General by National, but had to recomend himself to be
    appointed a QC. He seems to have forgottent hat a lawyer is supposed
    to have ethics as well as legal cunning . . .

    The arrogance has no bounds - time they went.

    Too bad there's no suitable replacement in sight.

    There can only be a National/UF/ACT/Maori MP as Attorney General until
    late next year Allistar - but I suspect there are a few who would not
    be quite as arrogant as Finlayson until then - horrible as Finlayson
    is, the rest of them would cause shudders pretty much to the same
    extent on either or both ethical or competence grounds.

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  • From Crash@3:770/3 to All on Friday, June 10, 2016 16:49:53
    On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 14:13:49 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 13:28:21 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 wrote:

    National Ministers again caught having botched something.

    We know that National once regarded anything as OK so long as it
    wasn't illegal.
    Then a year or so ago they moved to saying "its OK if you are not
    taken to court",
    then to "its OK if a court doesn't rule against you"

    Now Finlayson (who just happens to be Attorney-General!) is saying
    that anything he does is OK even if a court tells him he was wrong -
    so long as there is no penalty to him!
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/minister-refuses-to-apologise-after-botched-land-deal-2016060918#axzz4B8KmKhTX

    Finlayson may know a little about the law - he was appointed
    Attroney-General by National, but had to recomend himself to be
    appointed a QC. He seems to have forgottent hat a lawyer is supposed
    to have ethics as well as legal cunning . . .

    The arrogance has no bounds - time they went.

    Too bad there's no suitable replacement in sight.

    There can only be a National/UF/ACT/Maori MP as Attorney General until
    late next year Allistar - but I suspect there are a few who would not
    be quite as arrogant as Finlayson until then - horrible as Finlayson
    is, the rest of them would cause shudders pretty much to the same
    extent on either or both ethical or competence grounds.

    In a Labour/Greens/NZF government there would be a similar limitation
    to the pool of candidates. Who do you think would make a better AG
    from the current opposition?


    --
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  • From george152@3:770/3 to Crash on Friday, June 10, 2016 17:04:24
    On 6/10/2016 4:49 PM, Crash wrote:
    On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 14:13:49 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 13:28:21 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 wrote:

    National Ministers again caught having botched something.

    We know that National once regarded anything as OK so long as it
    wasn't illegal.
    Then a year or so ago they moved to saying "its OK if you are not
    taken to court",
    then to "its OK if a court doesn't rule against you"

    Now Finlayson (who just happens to be Attorney-General!) is saying
    that anything he does is OK even if a court tells him he was wrong -
    so long as there is no penalty to him!
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/minister-refuses-to-apologise-after-botched-land-deal-2016060918#axzz4B8KmKhTX

    Finlayson may know a little about the law - he was appointed
    Attroney-General by National, but had to recomend himself to be
    appointed a QC. He seems to have forgottent hat a lawyer is supposed
    to have ethics as well as legal cunning . . .

    The arrogance has no bounds - time they went.

    Too bad there's no suitable replacement in sight.

    There can only be a National/UF/ACT/Maori MP as Attorney General until
    late next year Allistar - but I suspect there are a few who would not
    be quite as arrogant as Finlayson until then - horrible as Finlayson
    is, the rest of them would cause shudders pretty much to the same
    extent on either or both ethical or competence grounds.

    In a Labour/Greens/NZF government there would be a similar limitation
    to the pool of candidates. Who do you think would make a better AG
    from the current opposition?

    Can we count Mickey Mouse as a probable ?

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Friday, June 10, 2016 22:34:57
    On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 16:49:53 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 14:13:49 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 13:28:21 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 wrote:

    National Ministers again caught having botched something.

    We know that National once regarded anything as OK so long as it
    wasn't illegal.
    Then a year or so ago they moved to saying "its OK if you are not
    taken to court",
    then to "its OK if a court doesn't rule against you"

    Now Finlayson (who just happens to be Attorney-General!) is saying
    that anything he does is OK even if a court tells him he was wrong -
    so long as there is no penalty to him!
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/minister-refuses-to-apologise-after-botched-land-deal-2016060918#axzz4B8KmKhTX

    Finlayson may know a little about the law - he was appointed
    Attroney-General by National, but had to recomend himself to be
    appointed a QC. He seems to have forgotten that a lawyer is supposed
    to have ethics as well as legal cunning . . .

    The arrogance has no bounds - time they went.

    Too bad there's no suitable replacement in sight.

    There can only be a National/UF/ACT/Maori MP as Attorney General until
    late next year Allistar - but I suspect there are a few who would not
    be quite as arrogant as Finlayson until then - horrible as Finlayson
    is, the rest of them would cause shudders pretty much to the same
    extent on either or both ethical or competence grounds.

    In a Labour/Greens/NZF government there would be a similar limitation
    to the pool of candidates. Who do you think would make a better AG
    from the current opposition?

    Its a bit early for that - unless of course National decide that the
    trend isn't in their favour and they decide to go to an election
    early. A Labour/Green government will of course be a little more in
    favour of the rule of law, and due process - I's sure there will be
    quite a few suitable candidates for Attorney General - including the possibility of a new MP - it will of course be afterthe next election.
    Quite right of you to look forward to that change in 2017 though . .

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  • From Allistar@3:770/3 to All on Friday, June 10, 2016 22:59:01
    Rich80105 wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 16:49:53 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 14:13:49 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 13:28:21 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>>wrote:

    Rich80105 wrote:

    National Ministers again caught having botched something.

    We know that National once regarded anything as OK so long as it
    wasn't illegal.
    Then a year or so ago they moved to saying "its OK if you are not
    taken to court",
    then to "its OK if a court doesn't rule against you"

    Now Finlayson (who just happens to be Attorney-General!) is saying
    that anything he does is OK even if a court tells him he was wrong - >>>>> so long as there is no penalty to him!
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/minister-refuses-to-apologise-after-botched-land-deal-2016060918#axzz4B8KmKhTX

    Finlayson may know a little about the law - he was appointed
    Attroney-General by National, but had to recomend himself to be
    appointed a QC. He seems to have forgotten that a lawyer is supposed >>>>> to have ethics as well as legal cunning . . .

    The arrogance has no bounds - time they went.

    Too bad there's no suitable replacement in sight.

    There can only be a National/UF/ACT/Maori MP as Attorney General until >>>late next year Allistar - but I suspect there are a few who would not
    be quite as arrogant as Finlayson until then - horrible as Finlayson
    is, the rest of them would cause shudders pretty much to the same
    extent on either or both ethical or competence grounds.

    In a Labour/Greens/NZF government there would be a similar limitation
    to the pool of candidates. Who do you think would make a better AG
    from the current opposition?

    Its a bit early for that - unless of course National decide that the
    trend isn't in their favour and they decide to go to an election
    early. A Labour/Green government will of course be a little more in
    favour of the rule of law, and due process

    And trample over our freedoms in the process.

    - I's sure there will be
    quite a few suitable candidates for Attorney General - including the possibility of a new MP - it will of course be afterthe next election.

    Quite right of you to look forward to that change in 2017 though . .

    More blatant dishonesty.
    --
    "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
    creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

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  • From Liberty@3:770/3 to All on Saturday, June 11, 2016 11:11:02
    On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 13:07:31 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    Still waiting for labour for labour to apologies to the Chinese.
    That's right clack did apologise a few years ago.
    Through her back teeth.

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Saturday, June 11, 2016 15:31:25
    On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 11:11:02 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 13:07:31 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    Still waiting for labour for labour to apologies to the Chinese.
    That's right clack did apologise a few years ago.
    Through her back teeth.


    Somehow you apper to have missed the subject of the thread:

    National Ministers again caught having botched something.

    We know that National once regarded anything as OK so long as it
    wasn't illegal.
    Then a year or so ago they moved to saying "its OK if you are not
    taken to court",
    then to "its OK if a court doesn't rule against you"

    Now Finlayson (who just happens to be Attorney-General!) is saying
    that anything he does is OK even if a court tells him he was wrong -
    so long as there is no penalty to him! http://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/minister-refuses-to-apologise-after-botched-land-deal-2016060918#axzz4B8KmKhTX

    Finlayson may know a little about the law - he was appointed
    Attroney-General by National, but had to recomend himself to be
    appointed a QC. He seems to have forgottent hat a lawyer is supposed
    to have ethics as well as legal cunning . . .

    The arrogance has no bounds - time they went.

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  • From Crash@3:770/3 to All on Sunday, June 12, 2016 13:38:15
    On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 22:34:57 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 16:49:53 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 14:13:49 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 13:28:21 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>>wrote:

    Rich80105 wrote:

    National Ministers again caught having botched something.

    We know that National once regarded anything as OK so long as it
    wasn't illegal.
    Then a year or so ago they moved to saying "its OK if you are not
    taken to court",
    then to "its OK if a court doesn't rule against you"

    Now Finlayson (who just happens to be Attorney-General!) is saying
    that anything he does is OK even if a court tells him he was wrong - >>>>> so long as there is no penalty to him!
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/minister-refuses-to-apologise-after-botched-land-deal-2016060918#axzz4B8KmKhTX

    Finlayson may know a little about the law - he was appointed
    Attroney-General by National, but had to recomend himself to be
    appointed a QC. He seems to have forgotten that a lawyer is supposed >>>>> to have ethics as well as legal cunning . . .

    The arrogance has no bounds - time they went.

    Too bad there's no suitable replacement in sight.

    There can only be a National/UF/ACT/Maori MP as Attorney General until >>>late next year Allistar - but I suspect there are a few who would not
    be quite as arrogant as Finlayson until then - horrible as Finlayson
    is, the rest of them would cause shudders pretty much to the same
    extent on either or both ethical or competence grounds.

    In a Labour/Greens/NZF government there would be a similar limitation
    to the pool of candidates. Who do you think would make a better AG
    from the current opposition?

    Its a bit early for that - unless of course National decide that the
    trend isn't in their favour and they decide to go to an election
    early. A Labour/Green government will of course be a little more in
    favour of the rule of law, and due process - I's sure there will be
    quite a few suitable candidates for Attorney General - including the >possibility of a new MP - it will of course be afterthe next election.
    Quite right of you to look forward to that change in 2017 though . .

    Rich your post above entirely misses the points I made. I posed the
    question 'Who do you think would make a better AG from the current
    pool of candidates' in reference to those in the current opposition
    parties. How can it be 'a bit early' to opine on that?

    A change in Government is inevitable as you say - but it certainly
    wont be until Labour have the new MPs needed to reverse the popularity
    slide that began in the 2008 election. That's hard to do when Labour
    in particular have so few MPs now (32 is their lowest in the MMP era
    (1996 onwards)). So where are the new MPs coming from Rich? Since
    2008 how many Parliamentary leaders have Labour had (4) and how much
    progress have they made in winning back the levels of popular support
    needed to unseat National (yet to arrest the decline from 2008 to 2014 elections)?

    After 8 years in power with gradually increasing levels of support
    since the 2008 general election, it would take a major reversal of
    fortune for National to loose in 2017. Labour, the Greens and Winston
    First demonstrably don't have the talent to make that happen and
    National do have the talent to remain in power.


    --
    Crash McBash

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Sunday, June 12, 2016 22:40:08
    On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 13:38:15 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 22:34:57 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 16:49:53 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 14:13:49 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 13:28:21 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>>>wrote:

    Rich80105 wrote:

    National Ministers again caught having botched something.

    We know that National once regarded anything as OK so long as it
    wasn't illegal.
    Then a year or so ago they moved to saying "its OK if you are not
    taken to court",
    then to "its OK if a court doesn't rule against you"

    Now Finlayson (who just happens to be Attorney-General!) is saying >>>>>> that anything he does is OK even if a court tells him he was wrong - >>>>>> so long as there is no penalty to him!
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/minister-refuses-to-apologise-after-botched-land-deal-2016060918#axzz4B8KmKhTX

    Finlayson may know a little about the law - he was appointed
    Attroney-General by National, but had to recomend himself to be
    appointed a QC. He seems to have forgotten that a lawyer is supposed >>>>>> to have ethics as well as legal cunning . . .

    The arrogance has no bounds - time they went.

    Too bad there's no suitable replacement in sight.

    There can only be a National/UF/ACT/Maori MP as Attorney General until >>>>late next year Allistar - but I suspect there are a few who would not >>>>be quite as arrogant as Finlayson until then - horrible as Finlayson >>>>is, the rest of them would cause shudders pretty much to the same >>>>extent on either or both ethical or competence grounds.

    In a Labour/Greens/NZF government there would be a similar limitation
    to the pool of candidates. Who do you think would make a better AG
    from the current opposition?

    Its a bit early for that - unless of course National decide that the
    trend isn't in their favour and they decide to go to an election
    early. A Labour/Green government will of course be a little more in
    favour of the rule of law, and due process - I's sure there will be
    quite a few suitable candidates for Attorney General - including the >>possibility of a new MP - it will of course be afterthe next election. >>Quite right of you to look forward to that change in 2017 though . .

    Rich your post above entirely misses the points I made. I posed the
    question 'Who do you think would make a better AG from the current
    pool of candidates' in reference to those in the current opposition
    parties. How can it be 'a bit early' to opine on that?

    Because as I pointed out it is quite some time to the next election -
    which will see changes in MPs from most parties. Attorney-Geenral is
    not the most imortant of roles, so there is little speculation about
    who will replave Finlayson from the National Party, or what portfolio
    David Parker, the current Labour Party spokesperson for Attorney
    General will have when the next government is formed.

    A change in Government is inevitable as you say - but it certainly
    wont be until Labour have the new MPs needed to reverse the popularity
    slide that began in the 2008 election. That's hard to do when Labour
    in particular have so few MPs now (32 is their lowest in the MMP era
    (1996 onwards)). So where are the new MPs coming from Rich?
    By definition the Labour/Green bloc will have 61 MPs to form the
    government. I am sure that amond 61 MPs they will be able to come up
    with at least one better suited to the position than Finlayson.

    Of course Finlayson's offensive display of arrogance has little to do
    with the Attorney-General role as such - it is as I was pointing out
    more to do with National's "born to rule'and 'laws don't apply to me' attitudes.

    You are of course correct that National have indeed increased the
    number of their MPs since 2008 - but are now dependent on Peter Dunne
    to get legislation through, as overall the number of MPs supporting
    NAtional have dropped by slightly more than National has gained - in
    effect National has cannibalised their "support parties", with UF and
    ACT now only n parliament through National signalling their supporters
    to vote for their candidate in thoe two seats - and of course National
    lost a by-election to NZ First in Northland. Overall, the Labour/Green
    bloc is within 5% of National and its hydra of support parties.

    Since
    2008 how many Parliamentary leaders have Labour had (4) and how much
    progress have they made in winning back the levels of popular support
    needed to unseat National (yet to arrest the decline from 2008 to 2014 >elections)?
    None of that is relevant to whether Finlaysons attitudes are
    acceptable - why would you think they relate to teh subject of this
    thread?

    After 8 years in power with gradually increasing levels of support
    since the 2008 general election, it would take a major reversal of
    fortune for National to loose in 2017. Labour, the Greens and Winston
    First demonstrably don't have the talent to make that happen and
    National do have the talent to remain in power.

    National may well lose the next election - they only need to lose one additional MP - they and you are however being "loose"with the truth
    regarding how close the two major blocs are now . . .

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  • From victor@3:770/3 to Crash on Monday, June 13, 2016 11:48:44
    On 12/06/2016 1:38 p.m., Crash wrote:


    Rich your post above entirely misses the points I made. I posed the
    question 'Who do you think would make a better AG from the current
    pool of candidates' in reference to those in the current opposition
    parties. How can it be 'a bit early' to opine on that?


    David Parker is attorney general when National lose.

    He would be way better than Findlayson, who is a nasty prick.

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to victor on Sunday, June 12, 2016 18:10:20
    On Monday, 13 June 2016 11:48:44 UTC+12, victor wrote:
    On 12/06/2016 1:38 p.m., Crash wrote:


    Rich your post above entirely misses the points I made. I posed the question 'Who do you think would make a better AG from the current
    pool of candidates' in reference to those in the current opposition parties. How can it be 'a bit early' to opine on that?


    David Parker is attorney general when National lose.

    He would be way better than Findlayson, who is a nasty prick.

    Finlayson is just like Michael Cullen - sharp minded and quick with an acerbic put-down.

    But that's OK when you are Labour, eh victor?

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Sunday, June 12, 2016 22:50:29
    On Monday, 13 June 2016 17:11:53 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 18:10:20 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Monday, 13 June 2016 11:48:44 UTC+12, victor wrote:
    On 12/06/2016 1:38 p.m., Crash wrote:


    Rich your post above entirely misses the points I made. I posed the
    question 'Who do you think would make a better AG from the current
    pool of candidates' in reference to those in the current opposition
    parties. How can it be 'a bit early' to opine on that?


    David Parker is attorney general when National lose.

    He would be way better than Findlayson, who is a nasty prick.

    Finlayson is just like Michael Cullen - sharp minded and quick with an
    acerbic put-down.

    But that's OK when you are Labour, eh victor?

    Finlayson does not have the competence of Cullen - orhte humour.

    Just look at the video here:

    http://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/minister-refuses-to-apologise-after-botched-land-deal-2016060918#axzz4B8KmKhTX

    That is nothing like Michael Cullen.

    Cullen has plenty to apologise for - such as saddling us with Kiwirail.

    Finlayson not so much:

    "Landcorp sought advice from the Office of Treaty Settlements, who said Ngāti Whakahemo's claims had been settled.
    The Supreme Court says that advice was wrong."

    Why should Finlayson apologise for the OTS getting a legal finding wrong?

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Monday, June 13, 2016 17:11:51
    On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 18:10:20 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Monday, 13 June 2016 11:48:44 UTC+12, victor wrote:
    On 12/06/2016 1:38 p.m., Crash wrote:


    Rich your post above entirely misses the points I made. I posed the
    question 'Who do you think would make a better AG from the current
    pool of candidates' in reference to those in the current opposition
    parties. How can it be 'a bit early' to opine on that?


    David Parker is attorney general when National lose.

    He would be way better than Findlayson, who is a nasty prick.

    Finlayson is just like Michael Cullen - sharp minded and quick with an acerbic
    put-down.

    But that's OK when you are Labour, eh victor?

    Finlayson does not have the competence of Cullen - orhte humour.

    Just look at the video here:

    http://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/minister-refuses-to-apologise-after-botched-land-deal-2016060918#axzz4B8KmKhTX

    That is nothing like Michael Cullen.

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Monday, June 13, 2016 19:29:44
    On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 19:26:25 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 22:50:29 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Monday, 13 June 2016 17:11:53 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 18:10:20 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Monday, 13 June 2016 11:48:44 UTC+12, victor wrote:
    On 12/06/2016 1:38 p.m., Crash wrote:


    Rich your post above entirely misses the points I made. I posed the >>> >> > question 'Who do you think would make a better AG from the current
    pool of candidates' in reference to those in the current opposition >>> >> > parties. How can it be 'a bit early' to opine on that?


    David Parker is attorney general when National lose.

    He would be way better than Findlayson, who is a nasty prick.

    Finlayson is just like Michael Cullen - sharp minded and quick with an acerbic put-down.

    But that's OK when you are Labour, eh victor?

    Finlayson does not have the competence of Cullen - orhte humour.

    Just look at the video here:

    http://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/minister-refuses-to-apologise-after-botched-land-deal-2016060918#axzz4B8KmKhTX

    That is nothing like Michael Cullen.

    Cullen has plenty to apologise for - such as saddling us with Kiwirail.

    Finlayson not so much:

    "Landcorp sought advice from the Office of Treaty Settlements, who said Ng?ti
    Whakahemo's claims had been settled.
    The Supreme Court says that advice was wrong."

    Why should Finlayson apologise for the OTS getting a legal finding wrong?

    Perhaps because he was representing the government, and he is Minster
    in charge of Treaty Settlements. It would be normal for a judgement
    that found fault with the Ministry to have referred to the position of >Minister - this judgement was specific in naming Chris Finlayson -
    whose personal actions were deemed to have been wrong.
    The concept of indivisual responsibility appears to have been lost
    somewhere in the complexity of multiple agencies invloved - perhaps
    that is all intended to make it easier to blur Minsterial
    responsibilities and imfer that it is the fault of public servants -
    it too often works for the housing crisis for examle where there are
    three Ministers who can always point away from themselves. This o ne >Finlayson shares the blame for - but of course personal responsibility
    is lost on the unethical National Ministers.

    Corrrection - Finlayson is Minister for Treaty of Waitangi
    Negotiations. He still should have apologised for his conduct
    regarding this matter.

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Monday, June 13, 2016 19:26:25
    On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 22:50:29 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Monday, 13 June 2016 17:11:53 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 18:10:20 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Monday, 13 June 2016 11:48:44 UTC+12, victor wrote:
    On 12/06/2016 1:38 p.m., Crash wrote:


    Rich your post above entirely misses the points I made. I posed the
    question 'Who do you think would make a better AG from the current
    pool of candidates' in reference to those in the current opposition
    parties. How can it be 'a bit early' to opine on that?


    David Parker is attorney general when National lose.

    He would be way better than Findlayson, who is a nasty prick.

    Finlayson is just like Michael Cullen - sharp minded and quick with an acerbic put-down.

    But that's OK when you are Labour, eh victor?

    Finlayson does not have the competence of Cullen - orhte humour.

    Just look at the video here:

    http://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/minister-refuses-to-apologise-after-botched-land-deal-2016060918#axzz4B8KmKhTX

    That is nothing like Michael Cullen.

    Cullen has plenty to apologise for - such as saddling us with Kiwirail.

    Finlayson not so much:

    "Landcorp sought advice from the Office of Treaty Settlements, who said Ng?ti Whakahemo's claims had been settled.
    The Supreme Court says that advice was wrong."

    Why should Finlayson apologise for the OTS getting a legal finding wrong?

    Perhaps because he was representing the government, and he is Minster
    in charge of Treaty Settlements. It would be normal for a judgement
    that found fault with the Ministry to have referred to the position of
    Minister - this judgement was specific in naming Chris Finlayson -
    whose personal actions were deemed to have been wrong.
    The concept of indivisual responsibility appears to have been lost
    somewhere in the complexity of multiple agencies invloved - perhaps
    that is all intended to make it easier to blur Minsterial
    responsibilities and imfer that it is the fault of public servants -
    it too often works for the housing crisis for examle where there are
    three Ministers who can always point away from themselves. This o ne
    Finlayson shares the blame for - but of course personal responsibility
    is lost on the unethical National Ministers.

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  • From george152@3:770/3 to JohnO on Tuesday, June 14, 2016 08:16:35
    On 6/13/2016 5:50 PM, JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 13 June 2016 17:11:53 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 18:10:20 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Monday, 13 June 2016 11:48:44 UTC+12, victor wrote:
    On 12/06/2016 1:38 p.m., Crash wrote:


    Rich your post above entirely misses the points I made. I posed the >>>>> question 'Who do you think would make a better AG from the current
    pool of candidates' in reference to those in the current opposition
    parties. How can it be 'a bit early' to opine on that?


    David Parker is attorney general when National lose.

    He would be way better than Findlayson, who is a nasty prick.

    Finlayson is just like Michael Cullen - sharp minded and quick with an acerbic put-down.

    But that's OK when you are Labour, eh victor?

    Finlayson does not have the competence of Cullen - orhte humour.

    Just look at the video here:

    http://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/minister-refuses-to-apologise-after-botched-land-deal-2016060918#axzz4B8KmKhTX

    That is nothing like Michael Cullen.

    Cullen has plenty to apologise for - such as saddling us with Kiwirail.

    Finlayson not so much:

    "Landcorp sought advice from the Office of Treaty Settlements, who said
    Ngāti Whakahemo's claims had been settled.
    The Supreme Court says that advice was wrong."

    Why should Finlayson apologise for the OTS getting a legal finding wrong?


    Because Liebor have nothing else to moan about this week perhaps ?

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Thursday, June 23, 2016 15:29:34
    "Rich80105" <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3t3klb1qd4iibo55206u9q3hdk6j53moos@4ax.com...
    National Ministers again caught having botched something.

    We know that National once regarded anything as OK so long as it
    wasn't illegal.
    Then a year or so ago they moved to saying "its OK if you are not
    taken to court",
    then to "its OK if a court doesn't rule against you"

    Now Finlayson (who just happens to be Attorney-General!) is saying
    that anything he does is OK even if a court tells him he was wrong -
    so long as there is no penalty to him! http://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/minister-refuses-to-apologise-after-botched-land-deal-2016060918#axzz4B8KmKhTX

    Finlayson may know a little about the law - he was appointed
    Attroney-General by National, but had to recomend himself to be
    appointed a QC. He seems to have forgottent hat a lawyer is supposed
    to have ethics as well as legal cunning . . .

    The arrogance has no bounds - time they went.

    Only after the marxist muppet appointed by the unions and screwing Labour
    shows some ethics and stops behaving as though he's above the law Rich.

    Pooh

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to Crash on Thursday, June 23, 2016 15:31:09
    "Crash" <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote in message news:eihklb1r13cp95jvkf9ac3ol8hph0eu43v@4ax.com...
    On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 14:13:49 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 13:28:21 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 wrote:

    National Ministers again caught having botched something.

    We know that National once regarded anything as OK so long as it
    wasn't illegal.
    Then a year or so ago they moved to saying "its OK if you are not
    taken to court",
    then to "its OK if a court doesn't rule against you"

    Now Finlayson (who just happens to be Attorney-General!) is saying
    that anything he does is OK even if a court tells him he was wrong -
    so long as there is no penalty to him!
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/minister-refuses-to-apologise-after-botched-land-deal-2016060918#axzz4B8KmKhTX

    Finlayson may know a little about the law - he was appointed
    Attroney-General by National, but had to recomend himself to be
    appointed a QC. He seems to have forgottent hat a lawyer is supposed
    to have ethics as well as legal cunning . . .

    The arrogance has no bounds - time they went.

    Too bad there's no suitable replacement in sight.

    There can only be a National/UF/ACT/Maori MP as Attorney General until
    late next year Allistar - but I suspect there are a few who would not
    be quite as arrogant as Finlayson until then - horrible as Finlayson
    is, the rest of them would cause shudders pretty much to the same
    extent on either or both ethical or competence grounds.

    In a Labour/Greens/NZF government there would be a similar limitation
    to the pool of candidates. Who do you think would make a better AG
    from the current opposition?


    --
    Crash McBash

    Though lawyers neither Little or Peters fits that bill. Hell both think
    they're gods and above the laws of ordinary mortals.

    Pooh

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Thursday, June 23, 2016 15:34:03
    "Rich80105" <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:mm5llbptitvm96p623p37ght2ck0ulemtn@4ax.com...
    On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 16:49:53 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 14:13:49 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 13:28:21 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> >>>wrote:

    Rich80105 wrote:

    National Ministers again caught having botched something.

    We know that National once regarded anything as OK so long as it
    wasn't illegal.
    Then a year or so ago they moved to saying "its OK if you are not
    taken to court",
    then to "its OK if a court doesn't rule against you"

    Now Finlayson (who just happens to be Attorney-General!) is saying
    that anything he does is OK even if a court tells him he was wrong - >>>>> so long as there is no penalty to him!
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/minister-refuses-to-apologise-after-botched-land-deal-2016060918#axzz4B8KmKhTX

    Finlayson may know a little about the law - he was appointed
    Attroney-General by National, but had to recomend himself to be
    appointed a QC. He seems to have forgotten that a lawyer is supposed >>>>> to have ethics as well as legal cunning . . .

    The arrogance has no bounds - time they went.

    Too bad there's no suitable replacement in sight.

    There can only be a National/UF/ACT/Maori MP as Attorney General until >>>late next year Allistar - but I suspect there are a few who would not
    be quite as arrogant as Finlayson until then - horrible as Finlayson
    is, the rest of them would cause shudders pretty much to the same
    extent on either or both ethical or competence grounds.

    In a Labour/Greens/NZF government there would be a similar limitation
    to the pool of candidates. Who do you think would make a better AG
    from the current opposition?

    Its a bit early for that - unless of course National decide that the
    trend isn't in their favour and they decide to go to an election
    early. A Labour/Green government will of course be a little more in
    favour of the rule of law, and due process - I's sure there will be
    quite a few suitable candidates for Attorney General - including the possibility of a new MP - it will of course be afterthe next election.
    Quite right of you to look forward to that change in 2017 though . .

    MWAHAHAHA pretty good from an uneducatable twit like you Rich. Remember
    Labour hung on to MPs who broke the law till they spoke out against the
    party and also changed the law and back dated it to protect Clark. You're
    claim they abide by the rule of law and due process is like most of your
    posts in this ng. Pure BULLSHIT!

    Pooh

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to victor on Thursday, June 23, 2016 15:36:20
    "victor" <user1@example.net> wrote in message news:njksco$110m$1@gioia.aioe.org...
    On 12/06/2016 1:38 p.m., Crash wrote:


    Rich your post above entirely misses the points I made. I posed the
    question 'Who do you think would make a better AG from the current
    pool of candidates' in reference to those in the current opposition
    parties. How can it be 'a bit early' to opine on that?


    David Parker is attorney general when National lose.

    He would be way better than Findlayson, who is a nasty prick.



    Best joke I've read all day. Well done victor:)

    Pooh

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to gblack@hnpl.net on Thursday, June 23, 2016 15:38:34
    "george152" <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote in message news:VpKdnYLSNKA_icLKnZ2dnUU7-UOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
    On 6/13/2016 5:50 PM, JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 13 June 2016 17:11:53 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 18:10:20 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Monday, 13 June 2016 11:48:44 UTC+12, victor wrote:
    On 12/06/2016 1:38 p.m., Crash wrote:


    Rich your post above entirely misses the points I made. I posed the >>>>>> question 'Who do you think would make a better AG from the current >>>>>> pool of candidates' in reference to those in the current opposition >>>>>> parties. How can it be 'a bit early' to opine on that?


    David Parker is attorney general when National lose.

    He would be way better than Findlayson, who is a nasty prick.

    Finlayson is just like Michael Cullen - sharp minded and quick with an >>>> acerbic put-down.

    But that's OK when you are Labour, eh victor?

    Finlayson does not have the competence of Cullen - orhte humour.

    Just look at the video here:

    http://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/minister-refuses-to-apologise-after-botched-land-deal-2016060918#axzz4B8KmKhTX

    That is nothing like Michael Cullen.

    Cullen has plenty to apologise for - such as saddling us with Kiwirail.

    Finlayson not so much:

    "Landcorp sought advice from the Office of Treaty Settlements, who said
    Ngati Whakahemo's claims had been settled.
    The Supreme Court says that advice was wrong."

    Why should Finlayson apologise for the OTS getting a legal finding wrong?


    Because Liebor have nothing else to moan about this week perhaps ?

    That and Richies usual reason: 'National bad, Labour good'......

    Pooh

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to Liberty on Thursday, June 23, 2016 15:40:04
    "Liberty" <liberty48@live.com> wrote in message news:l0imlb9abb446fsb8vvktlu455bbqneee0@4ax.com...
    On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 13:07:31 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    Still waiting for labour for labour to apologies to the Chinese.
    That's right clack did apologise a few years ago.
    Through her back teeth.

    I'm still waiting (as many ex-servicemen) for an appolgy for Clark and her fellow peace activists actions against soldiers during the sixtys and early seventys mate.

    Pooh

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