Rich80105 wrote:

Its seems hypocrisy is strong among National Cabinet Ministers.

Look for the National supporters posting to nz.general giving National
the same abuse they heaped on Helen Clark for being in a car that was speeding . . .

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/politics/crown-limos-breaking-speed-limits-almost-daily/

What do you mean "one law for them"? They were caught speeding and were
given speeding tickets just as if it were you or I.

What National supporters are you referring to? Not me I hope, I most
definitely am not a National supporter.
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Its seems hypocrisy is strong among National Cabinet Ministers.

Look for the National supporters posting to nz.general giving National
the same abuse they heaped on Helen Clark for being in a car that was
speeding . . .

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/politics/crown-limos-breaking-speed-limits-almost-daily/

"Data on the driving habits of the Government's limousine fleet have
finally been released and they suggest Crown car drivers are breaking
speed limits almost every day.

An OIA response given by Ministerial Services last year showed that
while the Crown cars had picked up 13 speeding tickets all were in
urban areas and none on the open roads.

That appears markedly at odds with the now released GPS data on Crown
car use that shows almost 3900 instances of open road speed limits
being broken in the first seven months of last year.

Opinion: Hypocrisy of Minister driving behaviour clear

Despite these instances the Crown cars didn't get a single speeding
ticket for breaking the 100 km/h speed limit over that same period.

VIP Transport manager Harley Spence can't explain why that might be
the case.

"I don't know, you'd have to refer that to where the police are
stationing their radars. I don't obviously have any comment or
influence about where the police station their speeding radars."

Dog and Lemon motoring website editor Clive Matthew-Wilson said the
speeding is completely hypocritical behaviour.

"These are the same politicians that lecture us on a weekly basis
about the need to obey the speed limit but hey, they're exempt because
they're at the top right.

Mr Matthew-Wilson said if it’s good enough for the rest of us to get
tickets when we go a few kilometres over the speed limit, it's good
enough for them to get tickets.

The GPS data was finally released after intervention by the Office of
the Ombudsmen.

Analysis of data for January alone reveals there were well over 50
trips where the speed limit was broken.

Mr Spence, who is in charge of the Government's VIP car fleet, said
there have been discussions with the GPS provider who've assured them
that some of the extremely high speeds recorded are to do with the
actual GPS collection system.

"I would say that there is obviously some data which is very
incorrect. You'll see there are references of speeds of 200 in 100km
areas. That's obviously incorrect."

However Mr Spence also said not all the incidents can be wrong.

Mr Matthew-Wilson disputes suggestions that some of the GPS data might
be unreliable.

He said GPS data for things like speed is usually quite accurate.

"And certainly be accurate enough to be able to regard those as facts.
They can't really say the GPS is wrong because I don't think the GPS
is wrong. We've tested those units and they're usually quite accurate
about things like speed."

Mr Spence said he has confidence in the professionalism of the
drivers.

But he also said they expect the drivers to be consistent with speed
limits.

"We're also having conversations with our drivers to reinforce that
they are indeed delivering a safe and secure service." "

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On Friday, 3 June 2016 10:43:26 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

Its seems hypocrisy is strong among National Cabinet Ministers.

Look for the National supporters posting to nz.general giving National
the same abuse they heaped on Helen Clark for being in a car that was speeding . . .

First of all, identify one with details. And then let's see if he/she blames their driver. I'd be the first in line to condemn them.

By the way, these limos are used not just for ministers. Also used for visiting
VIPs, the leader of the opposition, the GG and the judiciary.

For all we know these speeding incidences are with just the driver aboard.

We don't know from this story how much these vehicles are exceeding the limit by - unlike the Clark incident which involved egregious speeding... to get to a
rugby match of all things. For all we know the logged exceedences are by a couple of kph.

So, Dickbot, you have no idea, and you are talking shit.

As usual.

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/politics/crown-limos-breaking-speed-limits-almost-daily/

"Data on the driving habits of the Government's limousine fleet have
finally been released and they suggest Crown car drivers are breaking
speed limits almost every day.

An OIA response given by Ministerial Services last year showed that
while the Crown cars had picked up 13 speeding tickets all were in
urban areas and none on the open roads.

That appears markedly at odds with the now released GPS data on Crown
car use that shows almost 3900 instances of open road speed limits
being broken in the first seven months of last year.

Opinion: Hypocrisy of Minister driving behaviour clear

Despite these instances the Crown cars didn't get a single speeding
ticket for breaking the 100 km/h speed limit over that same period.

VIP Transport manager Harley Spence can't explain why that might be
the case.

"I don't know, you'd have to refer that to where the police are
stationing their radars. I don't obviously have any comment or
influence about where the police station their speeding radars."

Dog and Lemon motoring website editor Clive Matthew-Wilson said the
speeding is completely hypocritical behaviour.

"These are the same politicians that lecture us on a weekly basis
about the need to obey the speed limit but hey, they're exempt because they're at the top right.

Mr Matthew-Wilson said if it’s good enough for the rest of us to get tickets when we go a few kilometres over the speed limit, it's good
enough for them to get tickets.

The GPS data was finally released after intervention by the Office of
the Ombudsmen.

Analysis of data for January alone reveals there were well over 50
trips where the speed limit was broken.

Mr Spence, who is in charge of the Government's VIP car fleet, said
there have been discussions with the GPS provider who've assured them
that some of the extremely high speeds recorded are to do with the
actual GPS collection system.

"I would say that there is obviously some data which is very
incorrect. You'll see there are references of speeds of 200 in 100km
areas. That's obviously incorrect."

However Mr Spence also said not all the incidents can be wrong.

Mr Matthew-Wilson disputes suggestions that some of the GPS data might
be unreliable.

He said GPS data for things like speed is usually quite accurate.

"And certainly be accurate enough to be able to regard those as facts.
They can't really say the GPS is wrong because I don't think the GPS
is wrong. We've tested those units and they're usually quite accurate
about things like speed."

Mr Spence said he has confidence in the professionalism of the
drivers.

But he also said they expect the drivers to be consistent with speed
limits.

"We're also having conversations with our drivers to reinforce that
they are indeed delivering a safe and secure service." "

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