http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/41477
"Rich80105" <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:m8fobblbqkl3q4p7e6ggr0ppaddonqrg1q@4ax.com...
http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/41477
See you're still avoiding looking at the polls Rich.
Pooh
http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/41477
http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/41477
On Thursday, 11 February 2016 20:50:20 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/41477
Too bad the boy-child can't follow his own party 'values' https://home.greens.org.nz/values
6. Engage respectfully, without personal attacks
Just another lefty "do as I say not as I do" nasty little hypocrite.
On 11/02/2016 8:50 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:
http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/41477
Held by more an more what?
http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/41477
On Thursday, 11 February 2016 20:50:20 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/41477
Too bad the boy-child can't follow his own party 'values' https://home.greens.org.nz/values
6. Engage respectfully, without personal attacks
Just another lefty "do as I say not as I do" nasty little hypocrite.
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 20:50:16 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/41477
Was there suppose to be someone of importance.
You must of erroneously posted the wrong clip.
Being technology challenged it is understandable.
On 12/02/2016 11:37 p.m., Liberty wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 20:50:16 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/41477
Was there suppose to be someone of importance.
You must of erroneously posted the wrong clip.
Being technology challenged it is understandable.
Here let me help.
You're welcome.
Gareth Hughes MP on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 16:14
Kia ora
Prime Minister, I’ve sat and listened to all your speeches opening
Parliament and I’d like to congratulate you on delivering your 8th speech.
It’s a real accomplishment and you must be now thinking how history will remember you.
Just outside of this debating chamber are the portraits of our great
leaders.
From Seddon, to Savage and Fraser to Kirk how do these giants who established universal suffrage, a caring state in the midst of a
depression and world war and a modern independent, bicultural New
Zealand compare with you?
Is the flag it?
Your desperate, lumbering, grasping attempt at building a legacy with a
flag won’t mask the realities.
Hungry kids up
Inequality up
Pollution up
Debt up
Housing costs up
Electricity costs up
Foreign ownership up
Corruption up
Once you may have been a national leader but now you look like just a National Party leader.
Once you attacked the nanny state of efficient lightbulbs but then
presided over the most wide reaching mass surveillance state in our
country’s history, passed the Skynet law, sacked elected councils and
then refused elections.
You’re our first selfie PM, our first comedian PM - a derping, planking, rape-joking expert at getting us on late night American comedy shows.
At a time of growing inequality, rapid global change and systemic
economic problems we got basically a chilled out entertainer.
On Election night 2011 you first thanked your pollster.
You are our most poll-driven PM ever, yet after all these years we still don’t know what you stand for bar the jokes and three line slogans.
Do you see more for New Zealand than just China’s dairy farm and
America’s spy station?
Prime Minister, why, just last week, on our national day did you run
from debate at Waitangi – once again into the arms of rugby players.
To the 300,000 kids growing up in poverty are you saying ‘Ask not what
your country can do for you but what you can do for Serco, Sky City,
Saudi Sheiks, Media works, Warners, and Rio Tinto?’
Under your leadership scientists have been ridiculed and silenced and
NGOs have had their funding and voice cut.
Rape crisis centres are closing and food banks are doing a brisk trade.
Kiwis are noted for their generosity and hospitality but Prime Minister, under you, New Zealand has become more welcoming to oil companies than refugees.
Whenever there is a Government scandal, extreme benefit measures are
floated, and ‘look over there – pandas.’
Prime Minister, you may not have a plum in your mouth like your hero Holyoake, but you’re exactly the same – an arrogant, born to rule, out
of touch, short-term, kick the can down the road style of leadership.
You delivered tax cuts the country couldn’t afford and leave $120
billion in debt, a superannuation crisis, crippling student loans and a generation locked out of home ownership.
You might call that a legacy, I call it intergenerational theft.
Once, we were one of the richest nations in the world. Now Kiwis work
some of the longest hours, for some of the lowest wages and pay some of
the highest costs of living in the developed world.
After selling our assets you are now selling out our sovereignty to corporates and the Hollywood industrial complex.
Your small army of spin doctors tell us again and again you grew up in a state house but now that you’re on the 9th floor you’re even selling
them too.
But you seem like a good guy to have a beer with. No one else in this
room could have got away with your stunts, gaffes and antics.
How have you gotten away with it? We could ask Crosby and Textor and
point to the biggest of big business bucks and the dirtiest of dirty
tricks operations in New Zealand history.
Kiwis are a good people, a caring people and we can reclaim our
democracy from big money and dirty politics.
One of your legacies is what you cynically call the rent a crowd is
growing into a real political movement for change.
Another legacy of your term is a Green Party stronger than ever before.
Thank you Prime Minister.
Prime Minister as you reflect this may be one of your last opening
speeches to Parliament I have no doubt you will go down in history as
one of the most successful politicians of a generation. By ‘politician’
I mean the way it’s written on the Stuff comments section.
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 12:13:07 +1300, victor <user1@example.net> wrote:
On 12/02/2016 11:37 p.m., Liberty wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 20:50:16 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>
http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/41477
Was there suppose to be someone of importance.
You must of erroneously posted the wrong clip.
Being technology challenged it is understandable.
Here let me help.
You're welcome.
Gareth Hughes MP on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 16:14
Kia ora
Prime Minister, I’ve sat and listened to all your speeches opening >>Parliament and I’d like to congratulate you on delivering your 8th speech.
It’s a real accomplishment and you must be now thinking how history will >>remember you.
Just outside of this debating chamber are the portraits of our great >>leaders.
From Seddon, to Savage and Fraser to Kirk how do these giants who >>established universal suffrage, a caring state in the midst of a
depression and world war and a modern independent, bicultural New
Zealand compare with you?
Is the flag it?
Your desperate, lumbering, grasping attempt at building a legacy with a >>flag won’t mask the realities.
Hungry kids up
Inequality up
Pollution up
Debt up
Housing costs up
Electricity costs up
Foreign ownership up
Corruption up
Once you may have been a national leader but now you look like just a >>National Party leader.
Once you attacked the nanny state of efficient lightbulbs but then
presided over the most wide reaching mass surveillance state in our >>country’s history, passed the Skynet law, sacked elected councils and
then refused elections.
You’re our first selfie PM, our first comedian PM - a derping, planking, >>rape-joking expert at getting us on late night American comedy shows.
At a time of growing inequality, rapid global change and systemic
economic problems we got basically a chilled out entertainer.
On Election night 2011 you first thanked your pollster.
You are our most poll-driven PM ever, yet after all these years we still >>don’t know what you stand for bar the jokes and three line slogans.
Do you see more for New Zealand than just China’s dairy farm and
America’s spy station?
Prime Minister, why, just last week, on our national day did you run
from debate at Waitangi – once again into the arms of rugby players.
To the 300,000 kids growing up in poverty are you saying ‘Ask not what
your country can do for you but what you can do for Serco, Sky City,
Saudi Sheiks, Media works, Warners, and Rio Tinto?’
Under your leadership scientists have been ridiculed and silenced and
NGOs have had their funding and voice cut.
Rape crisis centres are closing and food banks are doing a brisk trade.
Kiwis are noted for their generosity and hospitality but Prime Minister, >>under you, New Zealand has become more welcoming to oil companies than >>refugees.
Whenever there is a Government scandal, extreme benefit measures are >>floated, and ‘look over there – pandas.’
Prime Minister, you may not have a plum in your mouth like your hero >>Holyoake, but you’re exactly the same – an arrogant, born to rule, out
of touch, short-term, kick the can down the road style of leadership.
You delivered tax cuts the country couldn’t afford and leave $120
billion in debt, a superannuation crisis, crippling student loans and a >>generation locked out of home ownership.
You might call that a legacy, I call it intergenerational theft.
Once, we were one of the richest nations in the world. Now Kiwis work
some of the longest hours, for some of the lowest wages and pay some of
the highest costs of living in the developed world.
After selling our assets you are now selling out our sovereignty to >>corporates and the Hollywood industrial complex.
Your small army of spin doctors tell us again and again you grew up in a >>state house but now that you’re on the 9th floor you’re even selling
them too.
But you seem like a good guy to have a beer with. No one else in this
room could have got away with your stunts, gaffes and antics.
How have you gotten away with it? We could ask Crosby and Textor and
point to the biggest of big business bucks and the dirtiest of dirty
tricks operations in New Zealand history.
Kiwis are a good people, a caring people and we can reclaim our
democracy from big money and dirty politics.
One of your legacies is what you cynically call the rent a crowd is
growing into a real political movement for change.
Another legacy of your term is a Green Party stronger than ever before. >>Thank you Prime Minister.
Prime Minister as you reflect this may be one of your last opening
speeches to Parliament I have no doubt you will go down in history as
one of the most successful politicians of a generation. By ‘politician’
I mean the way it’s written on the Stuff comments section.
The Greens cannot win an electorate (though a previous co-leader did)
and their support base is in garnering between 10 and 15% of the party
vote over the last 7 elections. After this many elections it is hard
to believe they will ever be able to do any better - their lot in life
is as a minority party either in opposition (as at present) or in
government.
Given all this, the opinions of Gareth Hughes in criticising John Key
(given that National are still so close to governing alone after 3 >consecutive terms in government) contain as little merit as they do
truth.
On 12/02/2016 11:37 p.m., Liberty wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 20:50:16 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>
http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/41477
Was there suppose to be someone of importance.
You must of erroneously posted the wrong clip.
Being technology challenged it is understandable.
Here let me help.
You're welcome.
Gareth Hughes MP on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 16:14
Kia ora
Prime Minister, I’ve sat and listened to all your speeches opening
Parliament and I’d like to congratulate you on delivering your 8th speech.
It’s a real accomplishment and you must be now thinking how history will >remember you.
Just outside of this debating chamber are the portraits of our great
leaders.
From Seddon, to Savage and Fraser to Kirk how do these giants who
established universal suffrage, a caring state in the midst of a
depression and world war and a modern independent, bicultural New
Zealand compare with you?
Is the flag it?
Your desperate, lumbering, grasping attempt at building a legacy with a
flag won’t mask the realities.
Hungry kids up
Inequality up
Pollution up
Debt up
Housing costs up
Electricity costs up
Foreign ownership up
Corruption up
Once you may have been a national leader but now you look like just a >National Party leader.
Once you attacked the nanny state of efficient lightbulbs but then
presided over the most wide reaching mass surveillance state in our
country’s history, passed the Skynet law, sacked elected councils and
then refused elections.
You’re our first selfie PM, our first comedian PM - a derping, planking, >rape-joking expert at getting us on late night American comedy shows.
At a time of growing inequality, rapid global change and systemic
economic problems we got basically a chilled out entertainer.
On Election night 2011 you first thanked your pollster.
You are our most poll-driven PM ever, yet after all these years we still >don’t know what you stand for bar the jokes and three line slogans.
Do you see more for New Zealand than just China’s dairy farm and
America’s spy station?
Prime Minister, why, just last week, on our national day did you run
from debate at Waitangi – once again into the arms of rugby players.
To the 300,000 kids growing up in poverty are you saying ‘Ask not what
your country can do for you but what you can do for Serco, Sky City,
Saudi Sheiks, Media works, Warners, and Rio Tinto?’
Under your leadership scientists have been ridiculed and silenced and
NGOs have had their funding and voice cut.
Rape crisis centres are closing and food banks are doing a brisk trade.
Kiwis are noted for their generosity and hospitality but Prime Minister, >under you, New Zealand has become more welcoming to oil companies than >refugees.
Whenever there is a Government scandal, extreme benefit measures are
floated, and ‘look over there – pandas.’
Prime Minister, you may not have a plum in your mouth like your hero >Holyoake, but you’re exactly the same – an arrogant, born to rule, out
of touch, short-term, kick the can down the road style of leadership.
You delivered tax cuts the country couldn’t afford and leave $120
billion in debt, a superannuation crisis, crippling student loans and a >generation locked out of home ownership.
You might call that a legacy, I call it intergenerational theft.
Once, we were one of the richest nations in the world. Now Kiwis work
some of the longest hours, for some of the lowest wages and pay some of
the highest costs of living in the developed world.
After selling our assets you are now selling out our sovereignty to >corporates and the Hollywood industrial complex.
Your small army of spin doctors tell us again and again you grew up in a >state house but now that you’re on the 9th floor you’re even selling
them too.
But you seem like a good guy to have a beer with. No one else in this
room could have got away with your stunts, gaffes and antics.
How have you gotten away with it? We could ask Crosby and Textor and
point to the biggest of big business bucks and the dirtiest of dirty
tricks operations in New Zealand history.
Kiwis are a good people, a caring people and we can reclaim our
democracy from big money and dirty politics.
One of your legacies is what you cynically call the rent a crowd is
growing into a real political movement for change.
Another legacy of your term is a Green Party stronger than ever before.
Thank you Prime Minister.
Prime Minister as you reflect this may be one of your last opening
speeches to Parliament I have no doubt you will go down in history as
one of the most successful politicians of a generation. By ‘politician’
I mean the way it’s written on the Stuff comments section.
On 12/02/2016 11:37 p.m., Liberty wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 20:50:16 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>
http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/41477
Was there suppose to be someone of importance.
You must of erroneously posted the wrong clip.
Being technology challenged it is understandable.
Here let me help.
You're welcome.
Gareth Hughes MP on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 16:14
Kia ora
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 12:13:07 +1300, victor <user1@example.net> wrote:
On 12/02/2016 11:37 p.m., Liberty wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 20:50:16 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>
http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/41477
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 16:06:22 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 12:13:07 +1300, victor <user1@example.net> wrote:
On 12/02/2016 11:37 p.m., Liberty wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 20:50:16 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/41477
Was there suppose to be someone of importance.
You must of erroneously posted the wrong clip.
Being technology challenged it is understandable.
Here let me help.
You're welcome.
Gareth Hughes MP on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 16:14
Kia ora
Prime Minister, I’ve sat and listened to all your speeches opening >>>Parliament and I’d like to congratulate you on delivering your 8th speech. >>>
It’s a real accomplishment and you must be now thinking how history will >>>remember you.
Just outside of this debating chamber are the portraits of our great >>>leaders.
From Seddon, to Savage and Fraser to Kirk how do these giants who >>>established universal suffrage, a caring state in the midst of a >>>depression and world war and a modern independent, bicultural New
Zealand compare with you?
Is the flag it?
Your desperate, lumbering, grasping attempt at building a legacy with a >>>flag won’t mask the realities.
Hungry kids up
Inequality up
Pollution up
Debt up
Housing costs up
Electricity costs up
Foreign ownership up
Corruption up
Once you may have been a national leader but now you look like just a >>>National Party leader.
Once you attacked the nanny state of efficient lightbulbs but then >>>presided over the most wide reaching mass surveillance state in our >>>country’s history, passed the Skynet law, sacked elected councils and >>>then refused elections.
You’re our first selfie PM, our first comedian PM - a derping, planking, >>>rape-joking expert at getting us on late night American comedy shows.
At a time of growing inequality, rapid global change and systemic >>>economic problems we got basically a chilled out entertainer.
On Election night 2011 you first thanked your pollster.
You are our most poll-driven PM ever, yet after all these years we still >>>don’t know what you stand for bar the jokes and three line slogans.
Do you see more for New Zealand than just China’s dairy farm and >>>America’s spy station?
Prime Minister, why, just last week, on our national day did you run
from debate at Waitangi – once again into the arms of rugby players.
To the 300,000 kids growing up in poverty are you saying ‘Ask not what >>>your country can do for you but what you can do for Serco, Sky City, >>>Saudi Sheiks, Media works, Warners, and Rio Tinto?’
Under your leadership scientists have been ridiculed and silenced and >>>NGOs have had their funding and voice cut.
Rape crisis centres are closing and food banks are doing a brisk trade.
Kiwis are noted for their generosity and hospitality but Prime Minister, >>>under you, New Zealand has become more welcoming to oil companies than >>>refugees.
Whenever there is a Government scandal, extreme benefit measures are >>>floated, and ‘look over there – pandas.’
Prime Minister, you may not have a plum in your mouth like your hero >>>Holyoake, but you’re exactly the same – an arrogant, born to rule, out
of touch, short-term, kick the can down the road style of leadership.
You delivered tax cuts the country couldn’t afford and leave $120
billion in debt, a superannuation crisis, crippling student loans and a >>>generation locked out of home ownership.
You might call that a legacy, I call it intergenerational theft.
Once, we were one of the richest nations in the world. Now Kiwis work >>>some of the longest hours, for some of the lowest wages and pay some of >>>the highest costs of living in the developed world.
After selling our assets you are now selling out our sovereignty to >>>corporates and the Hollywood industrial complex.
Your small army of spin doctors tell us again and again you grew up in a >>>state house but now that you’re on the 9th floor you’re even selling
them too.
But you seem like a good guy to have a beer with. No one else in this >>>room could have got away with your stunts, gaffes and antics.
How have you gotten away with it? We could ask Crosby and Textor and >>>point to the biggest of big business bucks and the dirtiest of dirty >>>tricks operations in New Zealand history.
Kiwis are a good people, a caring people and we can reclaim our
democracy from big money and dirty politics.
One of your legacies is what you cynically call the rent a crowd is >>>growing into a real political movement for change.
Another legacy of your term is a Green Party stronger than ever before. >>>Thank you Prime Minister.
Prime Minister as you reflect this may be one of your last opening >>>speeches to Parliament I have no doubt you will go down in history as
one of the most successful politicians of a generation. By ‘politician’
I mean the way it’s written on the Stuff comments section.
The Greens cannot win an electorate (though a previous co-leader did)
and their support base is in garnering between 10 and 15% of the party
vote over the last 7 elections. After this many elections it is hard
to believe they will ever be able to do any better - their lot in life
is as a minority party either in opposition (as at present) or in >>government.
Given all this, the opinions of Gareth Hughes in criticising John Key >>(given that National are still so close to governing alone after 3 >>consecutive terms in government) contain as little merit as they do
truth.
Clearly truth is a movable concept for some - or we just see things >differently. I suspect you and Liberty can agree with a at least some
of the speech - the bits that suggest we have John Key to thank, but
without the context for each!
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 12:13:07 +1300, victor <user1@example.net> wrote:
On 12/02/2016 11:37 p.m., Liberty wrote:Just another cry of the week rant.
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 20:50:16 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/41477
Was there suppose to be someone of importance.
You must of erroneously posted the wrong clip.
Being technology challenged it is understandable.
Here let me help.
You're welcome.
Gareth Hughes MP on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 16:14
Kia ora
From a non entity.
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 12:13:07 +1300, victor <user1@example.net> wrote:
On 12/02/2016 11:37 p.m., Liberty wrote:Just another cry of the week rant.
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 20:50:16 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>
http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/41477
Was there suppose to be someone of importance.
You must of erroneously posted the wrong clip.
Being technology challenged it is understandable.
Here let me help.
You're welcome.
Gareth Hughes MP on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 16:14
Kia ora
From a non entity.
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 16:06:22 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 12:13:07 +1300, victor <user1@example.net> wrote:
On 12/02/2016 11:37 p.m., Liberty wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 20:50:16 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/41477
Was there suppose to be someone of importance.
You must of erroneously posted the wrong clip.
Being technology challenged it is understandable.
Here let me help.
You're welcome.
Gareth Hughes MP on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 16:14
Kia ora
Prime Minister, I've sat and listened to all your speeches opening >>>Parliament and I'd like to congratulate you on delivering your 8th >>>speech.
It's a real accomplishment and you must be now thinking how history will >>>remember you.
Just outside of this debating chamber are the portraits of our great >>>leaders.
From Seddon, to Savage and Fraser to Kirk how do these giants who >>>established universal suffrage, a caring state in the midst of a >>>depression and world war and a modern independent, bicultural New
Zealand compare with you?
Is the flag it?
Your desperate, lumbering, grasping attempt at building a legacy with a >>>flag won't mask the realities.
Hungry kids up
Inequality up
Pollution up
Debt up
Housing costs up
Electricity costs up
Foreign ownership up
Corruption up
Once you may have been a national leader but now you look like just a >>>National Party leader.
Once you attacked the nanny state of efficient lightbulbs but then >>>presided over the most wide reaching mass surveillance state in our >>>country's history, passed the Skynet law, sacked elected councils and >>>then refused elections.
You're our first selfie PM, our first comedian PM - a derping, planking, >>>rape-joking expert at getting us on late night American comedy shows.
At a time of growing inequality, rapid global change and systemic >>>economic problems we got basically a chilled out entertainer.
On Election night 2011 you first thanked your pollster.
You are our most poll-driven PM ever, yet after all these years we still >>>don't know what you stand for bar the jokes and three line slogans.
Do you see more for New Zealand than just China's dairy farm and >>>America's spy station?
Prime Minister, why, just last week, on our national day did you run
from debate at Waitangi - once again into the arms of rugby players.
To the 300,000 kids growing up in poverty are you saying 'Ask not what >>>your country can do for you but what you can do for Serco, Sky City, >>>Saudi Sheiks, Media works, Warners, and Rio Tinto?'
Under your leadership scientists have been ridiculed and silenced and >>>NGOs have had their funding and voice cut.
Rape crisis centres are closing and food banks are doing a brisk trade.
Kiwis are noted for their generosity and hospitality but Prime Minister, >>>under you, New Zealand has become more welcoming to oil companies than >>>refugees.
Whenever there is a Government scandal, extreme benefit measures are >>>floated, and 'look over there - pandas.'
Prime Minister, you may not have a plum in your mouth like your hero >>>Holyoake, but you're exactly the same - an arrogant, born to rule, out
of touch, short-term, kick the can down the road style of leadership.
You delivered tax cuts the country couldn't afford and leave $120
billion in debt, a superannuation crisis, crippling student loans and a >>>generation locked out of home ownership.
You might call that a legacy, I call it intergenerational theft.
Once, we were one of the richest nations in the world. Now Kiwis work >>>some of the longest hours, for some of the lowest wages and pay some of >>>the highest costs of living in the developed world.
After selling our assets you are now selling out our sovereignty to >>>corporates and the Hollywood industrial complex.
Your small army of spin doctors tell us again and again you grew up in a >>>state house but now that you're on the 9th floor you're even selling
them too.
But you seem like a good guy to have a beer with. No one else in this >>>room could have got away with your stunts, gaffes and antics.
How have you gotten away with it? We could ask Crosby and Textor and >>>point to the biggest of big business bucks and the dirtiest of dirty >>>tricks operations in New Zealand history.
Kiwis are a good people, a caring people and we can reclaim our
democracy from big money and dirty politics.
One of your legacies is what you cynically call the rent a crowd is >>>growing into a real political movement for change.
Another legacy of your term is a Green Party stronger than ever before. >>>Thank you Prime Minister.
Prime Minister as you reflect this may be one of your last opening >>>speeches to Parliament I have no doubt you will go down in history as
one of the most successful politicians of a generation. By 'politician'
I mean the way it's written on the Stuff comments section.
The Greens cannot win an electorate (though a previous co-leader did)
and their support base is in garnering between 10 and 15% of the party
vote over the last 7 elections. After this many elections it is hard
to believe they will ever be able to do any better - their lot in life
is as a minority party either in opposition (as at present) or in >>government.
Given all this, the opinions of Gareth Hughes in criticising John Key >>(given that National are still so close to governing alone after 3 >>consecutive terms in government) contain as little merit as they do
truth.
Clearly truth is a movable concept for some - or we just see things differently. I suspect you and Liberty can agree with a at least some
of the speech - the bits that suggest we have John Key to thank, but
without the context for each!
Inequality up
Pollution up
Debt up
Housing costs up
Electricity costs up
Foreign ownership up
Corruption up" Ignore the fact that these all started climbing while >>>Labour was goverment. Many of the proved to have risen from your own >>>cites while you were claiming it was Nationals fault. You and Hughes are >>>the prototypical loopy leftys with your failure to acknowledge this or >>>because you just refuse to believe a marxist government like Labour could >>>do anything wrong. So I suggest once again you start practicing what you >>>preach and for starters stop lying the loopy lefty you are Rich.
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 16:19:35 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 16:06:22 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 12:13:07 +1300, victor <user1@example.net> wrote:
On 12/02/2016 11:37 p.m., Liberty wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 20:50:16 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/41477
Was there suppose to be someone of importance.
You must of erroneously posted the wrong clip.
Being technology challenged it is understandable.
Here let me help.
You're welcome.
Gareth Hughes MP on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 16:14
Kia ora
Prime Minister, I’ve sat and listened to all your speeches opening >>>>Parliament and I’d like to congratulate you on delivering your 8th speech. >>>>
It’s a real accomplishment and you must be now thinking how history will >>>>remember you.
Just outside of this debating chamber are the portraits of our great >>>>leaders.
From Seddon, to Savage and Fraser to Kirk how do these giants who >>>>established universal suffrage, a caring state in the midst of a >>>>depression and world war and a modern independent, bicultural New >>>>Zealand compare with you?
Is the flag it?
Your desperate, lumbering, grasping attempt at building a legacy with a >>>>flag won’t mask the realities.
Hungry kids up
Inequality up
Pollution up
Debt up
Housing costs up
Electricity costs up
Foreign ownership up
Corruption up
Once you may have been a national leader but now you look like just a >>>>National Party leader.
Once you attacked the nanny state of efficient lightbulbs but then >>>>presided over the most wide reaching mass surveillance state in our >>>>country’s history, passed the Skynet law, sacked elected councils and >>>>then refused elections.
You’re our first selfie PM, our first comedian PM - a derping, planking, >>>>rape-joking expert at getting us on late night American comedy shows.
At a time of growing inequality, rapid global change and systemic >>>>economic problems we got basically a chilled out entertainer.
On Election night 2011 you first thanked your pollster.
You are our most poll-driven PM ever, yet after all these years we still >>>>don’t know what you stand for bar the jokes and three line slogans.
Do you see more for New Zealand than just China’s dairy farm and >>>>America’s spy station?
Prime Minister, why, just last week, on our national day did you run >>>>from debate at Waitangi – once again into the arms of rugby players.
To the 300,000 kids growing up in poverty are you saying ‘Ask not what >>>>your country can do for you but what you can do for Serco, Sky City, >>>>Saudi Sheiks, Media works, Warners, and Rio Tinto?’
Under your leadership scientists have been ridiculed and silenced and >>>>NGOs have had their funding and voice cut.
Rape crisis centres are closing and food banks are doing a brisk trade. >>>>
Kiwis are noted for their generosity and hospitality but Prime Minister, >>>>under you, New Zealand has become more welcoming to oil companies than >>>>refugees.
Whenever there is a Government scandal, extreme benefit measures are >>>>floated, and ‘look over there – pandas.’
Prime Minister, you may not have a plum in your mouth like your hero >>>>Holyoake, but you’re exactly the same – an arrogant, born to rule, out >>>>of touch, short-term, kick the can down the road style of leadership.
You delivered tax cuts the country couldn’t afford and leave $120 >>>>billion in debt, a superannuation crisis, crippling student loans and a >>>>generation locked out of home ownership.
You might call that a legacy, I call it intergenerational theft.
Once, we were one of the richest nations in the world. Now Kiwis work >>>>some of the longest hours, for some of the lowest wages and pay some of >>>>the highest costs of living in the developed world.
After selling our assets you are now selling out our sovereignty to >>>>corporates and the Hollywood industrial complex.
Your small army of spin doctors tell us again and again you grew up in a >>>>state house but now that you’re on the 9th floor you’re even selling >>>>them too.
But you seem like a good guy to have a beer with. No one else in this >>>>room could have got away with your stunts, gaffes and antics.
How have you gotten away with it? We could ask Crosby and Textor and >>>>point to the biggest of big business bucks and the dirtiest of dirty >>>>tricks operations in New Zealand history.
Kiwis are a good people, a caring people and we can reclaim our >>>>democracy from big money and dirty politics.
One of your legacies is what you cynically call the rent a crowd is >>>>growing into a real political movement for change.
Another legacy of your term is a Green Party stronger than ever before. >>>>Thank you Prime Minister.
Prime Minister as you reflect this may be one of your last opening >>>>speeches to Parliament I have no doubt you will go down in history as >>>>one of the most successful politicians of a generation. By ‘politician’ >>>>I mean the way it’s written on the Stuff comments section.
The Greens cannot win an electorate (though a previous co-leader did)
and their support base is in garnering between 10 and 15% of the party >>>vote over the last 7 elections. After this many elections it is hard
to believe they will ever be able to do any better - their lot in life
is as a minority party either in opposition (as at present) or in >>>government.
Given all this, the opinions of Gareth Hughes in criticising John Key >>>(given that National are still so close to governing alone after 3 >>>consecutive terms in government) contain as little merit as they do >>>truth.
Clearly truth is a movable concept for some - or we just see things >>differently. I suspect you and Liberty can agree with a at least some
of the speech - the bits that suggest we have John Key to thank, but >>without the context for each!
Looking at electionresults.org.nz it seems that in fact in general
elections, Green Party party vote has varied between 5.16% in 1999
(listing in the first MMP election in 1996) and 11.06% in 2011. In
2014 it was 10.7% so in fact can be portrayed as declining.
Gareth Hughes is an MP - and the article you quoted seeks to diminish
and trivialise political achievements under John Key's leadership.
Look at this snippet:
"Your desperate, lumbering, grasping attempt at building a legacy with
a flag won’t mask the realities."
When emotive claptrap like this is used the political motivation is
exposed and it must grate painfully with Hughes that National lead by
John Key continues to garner electoral support that Hughes and the
Greens can never realistically hope to achieve. If there is any
'truth' to be found in the claims Hughes makes this is not reflected
in the last two general elections and there is no sign of it in
current opinion polls.
When it comes to attacking the leadership qualities of Key and
National, the Greens need to be mindful that although their leadership
is relatively stable they have been singularly unsuccessful at the
ballot box compared to National since their low in 2002.
That is not to say I support John Key. I will remind you that I have
not voted National (either party or candidate) in the MMP era. What I
am saying is that the Greens and Labour are simply incapable of
capturing support from National and attacking Key and National like
this proves that Hughes and company don't know what else to try.
On Thursday, 11 February 2016 20:50:20 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/41477
Too bad the boy-child can't follow his own party 'values' >https://home.greens.org.nz/values
6. Engage respectfully, without personal attacks
Just another lefty "do as I say not as I do" nasty little hypocrite.
On 13/02/2016 8:04 p.m., Liberty wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 12:13:07 +1300, victor <user1@example.net> wrote:
On 12/02/2016 11:37 p.m., Liberty wrote:Just another cry of the week rant.
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 20:50:16 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/41477
Was there suppose to be someone of importance.
You must of erroneously posted the wrong clip.
Being technology challenged it is understandable.
Here let me help.
You're welcome.
Gareth Hughes MP on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 16:14
Kia ora
From a non entity.
I don't know why you were crying about it.
But it is certainly true that you are a non entity
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 18:38:56 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, 11 February 2016 20:50:20 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/41477
Too bad the boy-child can't follow his own party 'values' >>https://home.greens.org.nz/values
6. Engage respectfully, without personal attacks
Just another lefty "do as I say not as I do" nasty little hypocrite.
Whose only work experience was imitating Ronald McDonald
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0405/S00098.htm
On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 00:16:27 +1300, victor <user1@example.net> wrote:
On 13/02/2016 8:04 p.m., Liberty wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 12:13:07 +1300, victor <user1@example.net> wrote:
On 12/02/2016 11:37 p.m., Liberty wrote:Just another cry of the week rant.
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 20:50:16 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/41477
Was there suppose to be someone of importance.
You must of erroneously posted the wrong clip.
Being technology challenged it is understandable.
Here let me help.
You're welcome.
Gareth Hughes MP on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 16:14
Kia ora
From a non entity.
I don't know why you were crying about it.
But it is certainly true that you are a non entity
Changing the context is not clever it just proves you are a twat.
Then we can expect that from the VI
On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 09:20:17 +1300, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>Why are they breeeding if they cant feed their kids.
wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 18:38:56 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote: >>
On Thursday, 11 February 2016 20:50:20 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/41477
Too bad the boy-child can't follow his own party 'values' >>>https://home.greens.org.nz/values
6. Engage respectfully, without personal attacks
Just another lefty "do as I say not as I do" nasty little hypocrite.
Whose only work experience was imitating Ronald McDonald
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0405/S00098.htm
So which of these do you think may be wrong, "Liberty"?
Hungry kids up
Inequality upwhat a load socilistic crap
Pollution upno more than normal
Debt upWhat else can you expect when chrischuch was munted and poor people don't pay tax
Housing costs upHave been going up since man stoped living in caves.
Electricity costs upThe cost of Electricity has been going up for year allways well
Foreign ownership upYes more investment a good thing to.
Corruption upNothing compared to Clarks training days to work at the UN.
Here let me help.Just another cry of the week rant.
You're welcome.
Gareth Hughes MP on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 16:14
Kia ora
From a non entity.
I don't know why you were crying about it.
But it is certainly true that you are a non entity
Changing the context is not clever it just proves you are a twat.
Then we can expect that from the VI
Just more crying from a non entity
But what more can we expect from John Key's airhead fanbois
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 20:13:27 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 16:19:35 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 16:06:22 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 12:13:07 +1300, victor <user1@example.net> wrote:
On 12/02/2016 11:37 p.m., Liberty wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 20:50:16 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/41477
Was there suppose to be someone of importance.
You must of erroneously posted the wrong clip.
Being technology challenged it is understandable.
Here let me help.
You're welcome.
Gareth Hughes MP on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 16:14
Kia ora
Prime Minister, I’ve sat and listened to all your speeches opening >>>>>Parliament and I’d like to congratulate you on delivering your 8th speech. >>>>>
It’s a real accomplishment and you must be now thinking how history will >>>>>remember you.
Just outside of this debating chamber are the portraits of our great >>>>>leaders.
From Seddon, to Savage and Fraser to Kirk how do these giants who >>>>>established universal suffrage, a caring state in the midst of a >>>>>depression and world war and a modern independent, bicultural New >>>>>Zealand compare with you?
Is the flag it?
Your desperate, lumbering, grasping attempt at building a legacy with a >>>>>flag won’t mask the realities.
Hungry kids up
Inequality up
Pollution up
Debt up
Housing costs up
Electricity costs up
Foreign ownership up
Corruption up
Once you may have been a national leader but now you look like just a >>>>>National Party leader.
Once you attacked the nanny state of efficient lightbulbs but then >>>>>presided over the most wide reaching mass surveillance state in our >>>>>country’s history, passed the Skynet law, sacked elected councils and >>>>>then refused elections.
You’re our first selfie PM, our first comedian PM - a derping, planking, >>>>>rape-joking expert at getting us on late night American comedy shows. >>>>>
At a time of growing inequality, rapid global change and systemic >>>>>economic problems we got basically a chilled out entertainer.
On Election night 2011 you first thanked your pollster.
You are our most poll-driven PM ever, yet after all these years we still >>>>>don’t know what you stand for bar the jokes and three line slogans.
Do you see more for New Zealand than just China’s dairy farm and >>>>>America’s spy station?
Prime Minister, why, just last week, on our national day did you run >>>>>from debate at Waitangi – once again into the arms of rugby players.
To the 300,000 kids growing up in poverty are you saying ‘Ask not what >>>>>your country can do for you but what you can do for Serco, Sky City, >>>>>Saudi Sheiks, Media works, Warners, and Rio Tinto?’
Under your leadership scientists have been ridiculed and silenced and >>>>>NGOs have had their funding and voice cut.
Rape crisis centres are closing and food banks are doing a brisk trade. >>>>>
Kiwis are noted for their generosity and hospitality but Prime Minister, >>>>>under you, New Zealand has become more welcoming to oil companies than >>>>>refugees.
Whenever there is a Government scandal, extreme benefit measures are >>>>>floated, and ‘look over there – pandas.’
Prime Minister, you may not have a plum in your mouth like your hero >>>>>Holyoake, but you’re exactly the same – an arrogant, born to rule, out >>>>>of touch, short-term, kick the can down the road style of leadership. >>>>>
You delivered tax cuts the country couldn’t afford and leave $120 >>>>>billion in debt, a superannuation crisis, crippling student loans and a >>>>>generation locked out of home ownership.
You might call that a legacy, I call it intergenerational theft.
Once, we were one of the richest nations in the world. Now Kiwis work >>>>>some of the longest hours, for some of the lowest wages and pay some of >>>>>the highest costs of living in the developed world.
After selling our assets you are now selling out our sovereignty to >>>>>corporates and the Hollywood industrial complex.
Your small army of spin doctors tell us again and again you grew up in a >>>>>state house but now that you’re on the 9th floor you’re even selling >>>>>them too.
But you seem like a good guy to have a beer with. No one else in this >>>>>room could have got away with your stunts, gaffes and antics.
How have you gotten away with it? We could ask Crosby and Textor and >>>>>point to the biggest of big business bucks and the dirtiest of dirty >>>>>tricks operations in New Zealand history.
Kiwis are a good people, a caring people and we can reclaim our >>>>>democracy from big money and dirty politics.
One of your legacies is what you cynically call the rent a crowd is >>>>>growing into a real political movement for change.
Another legacy of your term is a Green Party stronger than ever before. >>>>>Thank you Prime Minister.
Prime Minister as you reflect this may be one of your last opening >>>>>speeches to Parliament I have no doubt you will go down in history as >>>>>one of the most successful politicians of a generation. By ‘politician’ >>>>>I mean the way it’s written on the Stuff comments section.
The Greens cannot win an electorate (though a previous co-leader did) >>>>and their support base is in garnering between 10 and 15% of the party >>>>vote over the last 7 elections. After this many elections it is hard >>>>to believe they will ever be able to do any better - their lot in life >>>>is as a minority party either in opposition (as at present) or in >>>>government.
Given all this, the opinions of Gareth Hughes in criticising John Key >>>>(given that National are still so close to governing alone after 3 >>>>consecutive terms in government) contain as little merit as they do >>>>truth.
Clearly truth is a movable concept for some - or we just see things >>>differently. I suspect you and Liberty can agree with a at least some
of the speech - the bits that suggest we have John Key to thank, but >>>without the context for each!
Looking at electionresults.org.nz it seems that in fact in general >>elections, Green Party party vote has varied between 5.16% in 1999
(listing in the first MMP election in 1996) and 11.06% in 2011. In
2014 it was 10.7% so in fact can be portrayed as declining.
Gareth Hughes is an MP - and the article you quoted seeks to diminish
and trivialise political achievements under John Key's leadership.
Look at this snippet:
"Your desperate, lumbering, grasping attempt at building a legacy with
a flag won’t mask the realities."
When emotive claptrap like this is used the political motivation is
exposed and it must grate painfully with Hughes that National lead by
John Key continues to garner electoral support that Hughes and the
Greens can never realistically hope to achieve. If there is any
'truth' to be found in the claims Hughes makes this is not reflected
in the last two general elections and there is no sign of it in
current opinion polls.
When it comes to attacking the leadership qualities of Key and
National, the Greens need to be mindful that although their leadership
is relatively stable they have been singularly unsuccessful at the
ballot box compared to National since their low in 2002.
That is not to say I support John Key. I will remind you that I have
not voted National (either party or candidate) in the MMP era. What I
am saying is that the Greens and Labour are simply incapable of
capturing support from National and attacking Key and National like
this proves that Hughes and company don't know what else to try.
Do you doisagree with any of these (they were not given as opinions,
and doubtless John Key can find someone to say they are wrong, but I
am asking your view)
Hungry kids up
Inequality up
Pollution up
Debt up
Housing costs up
Electricity costs up
Foreign ownership up
Corruption up
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 23:33:49 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>Not having enough to eat. Your definition?
wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 20:13:27 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 16:19:35 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 16:06:22 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 12:13:07 +1300, victor <user1@example.net> wrote: >>>>>
On 12/02/2016 11:37 p.m., Liberty wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 20:50:16 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/41477
Was there suppose to be someone of importance.
You must of erroneously posted the wrong clip.
Being technology challenged it is understandable.
Here let me help.
You're welcome.
Gareth Hughes MP on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 16:14
Kia ora
Prime Minister, I’ve sat and listened to all your speeches opening >>>>>>Parliament and I’d like to congratulate you on delivering your 8th speech.
It’s a real accomplishment and you must be now thinking how history will >>>>>>remember you.
Just outside of this debating chamber are the portraits of our great >>>>>>leaders.
From Seddon, to Savage and Fraser to Kirk how do these giants who >>>>>>established universal suffrage, a caring state in the midst of a >>>>>>depression and world war and a modern independent, bicultural New >>>>>>Zealand compare with you?
Is the flag it?
Your desperate, lumbering, grasping attempt at building a legacy with a >>>>>>flag won’t mask the realities.
Hungry kids up
Inequality up
Pollution up
Debt up
Housing costs up
Electricity costs up
Foreign ownership up
Corruption up
Once you may have been a national leader but now you look like just a >>>>>>National Party leader.
Once you attacked the nanny state of efficient lightbulbs but then >>>>>>presided over the most wide reaching mass surveillance state in our >>>>>>country’s history, passed the Skynet law, sacked elected councils and >>>>>>then refused elections.
You’re our first selfie PM, our first comedian PM - a derping, planking, >>>>>>rape-joking expert at getting us on late night American comedy shows. >>>>>>
At a time of growing inequality, rapid global change and systemic >>>>>>economic problems we got basically a chilled out entertainer.
On Election night 2011 you first thanked your pollster.
You are our most poll-driven PM ever, yet after all these years we still >>>>>>don’t know what you stand for bar the jokes and three line slogans. >>>>>>
Do you see more for New Zealand than just China’s dairy farm and >>>>>>America’s spy station?
Prime Minister, why, just last week, on our national day did you run >>>>>>from debate at Waitangi – once again into the arms of rugby players. >>>>>>
To the 300,000 kids growing up in poverty are you saying ‘Ask not what >>>>>>your country can do for you but what you can do for Serco, Sky City, >>>>>>Saudi Sheiks, Media works, Warners, and Rio Tinto?’
Under your leadership scientists have been ridiculed and silenced and >>>>>>NGOs have had their funding and voice cut.
Rape crisis centres are closing and food banks are doing a brisk trade. >>>>>>
Kiwis are noted for their generosity and hospitality but Prime Minister, >>>>>>under you, New Zealand has become more welcoming to oil companies than >>>>>>refugees.
Whenever there is a Government scandal, extreme benefit measures are >>>>>>floated, and ‘look over there – pandas.’
Prime Minister, you may not have a plum in your mouth like your hero >>>>>>Holyoake, but you’re exactly the same – an arrogant, born to rule, out >>>>>>of touch, short-term, kick the can down the road style of leadership. >>>>>>
You delivered tax cuts the country couldn’t afford and leave $120 >>>>>>billion in debt, a superannuation crisis, crippling student loans and a >>>>>>generation locked out of home ownership.
You might call that a legacy, I call it intergenerational theft.
Once, we were one of the richest nations in the world. Now Kiwis work >>>>>>some of the longest hours, for some of the lowest wages and pay some of >>>>>>the highest costs of living in the developed world.
After selling our assets you are now selling out our sovereignty to >>>>>>corporates and the Hollywood industrial complex.
Your small army of spin doctors tell us again and again you grew up in a >>>>>>state house but now that you’re on the 9th floor you’re even selling >>>>>>them too.
But you seem like a good guy to have a beer with. No one else in this >>>>>>room could have got away with your stunts, gaffes and antics.
How have you gotten away with it? We could ask Crosby and Textor and >>>>>>point to the biggest of big business bucks and the dirtiest of dirty >>>>>>tricks operations in New Zealand history.
Kiwis are a good people, a caring people and we can reclaim our >>>>>>democracy from big money and dirty politics.
One of your legacies is what you cynically call the rent a crowd is >>>>>>growing into a real political movement for change.
Another legacy of your term is a Green Party stronger than ever before. >>>>>>Thank you Prime Minister.
Prime Minister as you reflect this may be one of your last opening >>>>>>speeches to Parliament I have no doubt you will go down in history as >>>>>>one of the most successful politicians of a generation. By ‘politician’ >>>>>>I mean the way it’s written on the Stuff comments section.
The Greens cannot win an electorate (though a previous co-leader did) >>>>>and their support base is in garnering between 10 and 15% of the party >>>>>vote over the last 7 elections. After this many elections it is hard >>>>>to believe they will ever be able to do any better - their lot in life >>>>>is as a minority party either in opposition (as at present) or in >>>>>government.
Given all this, the opinions of Gareth Hughes in criticising John Key >>>>>(given that National are still so close to governing alone after 3 >>>>>consecutive terms in government) contain as little merit as they do >>>>>truth.
Clearly truth is a movable concept for some - or we just see things >>>>differently. I suspect you and Liberty can agree with a at least some >>>>of the speech - the bits that suggest we have John Key to thank, but >>>>without the context for each!
Looking at electionresults.org.nz it seems that in fact in general >>>elections, Green Party party vote has varied between 5.16% in 1999 >>>(listing in the first MMP election in 1996) and 11.06% in 2011. In
2014 it was 10.7% so in fact can be portrayed as declining.
Gareth Hughes is an MP - and the article you quoted seeks to diminish
and trivialise political achievements under John Key's leadership.
Look at this snippet:
"Your desperate, lumbering, grasping attempt at building a legacy with
a flag won’t mask the realities."
When emotive claptrap like this is used the political motivation is >>>exposed and it must grate painfully with Hughes that National lead by >>>John Key continues to garner electoral support that Hughes and the
Greens can never realistically hope to achieve. If there is any
'truth' to be found in the claims Hughes makes this is not reflected
in the last two general elections and there is no sign of it in
current opinion polls.
When it comes to attacking the leadership qualities of Key and
National, the Greens need to be mindful that although their leadership
is relatively stable they have been singularly unsuccessful at the
ballot box compared to National since their low in 2002.
That is not to say I support John Key. I will remind you that I have
not voted National (either party or candidate) in the MMP era. What I
am saying is that the Greens and Labour are simply incapable of
capturing support from National and attacking Key and National like
this proves that Hughes and company don't know what else to try.
Do you doisagree with any of these (they were not given as opinions,
and doubtless John Key can find someone to say they are wrong, but I
am asking your view)
Hungry kids up
Inequality up
Pollution up
Debt up
Housing costs up
Electricity costs up
Foreign ownership up
Corruption up
What you have said above is the sort of bald emotive statements
opposition MPs make in Parliament. Take, for example. 'Hungry Kids
Up'. How do you define 'Hungry'?
If this means that children goWho has a garden they can grow things in? Some of the housing
unfed because their parents can no longer afford cheap fast-food then
that is not as important than if said parents cant afford to buy
seeds/plants to put into a garden and grow.
Equally this statementAbsolutely - although sometimes people had jobs when their children
could be an indictment of couples choosing to have children they
cannot support.
'Debt Up' is meaningless on its own. Every time someone manages toNo, but the percentage of GDP represented by government debt has gone
buy their first home debt goes up. Are you complaining about this?
If you care to provide cites for each of the claims made above thenThat is the classic Ï don;pt understand the question, and wish to
the cites themselves might throw light on context and would certainly
throw light on the claims being made.
On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 21:21:36 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 23:33:49 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>Not having enough to eat. Your definition?
wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 20:13:27 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 16:19:35 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 16:06:22 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 12:13:07 +1300, victor <user1@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>
On 12/02/2016 11:37 p.m., Liberty wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 20:50:16 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/41477
Was there suppose to be someone of importance.
You must of erroneously posted the wrong clip.
Being technology challenged it is understandable.
Here let me help.
You're welcome.
Gareth Hughes MP on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 16:14
Kia ora
Prime Minister, I’ve sat and listened to all your speeches opening >>>>>>>Parliament and I’d like to congratulate you on delivering your 8th speech.
It’s a real accomplishment and you must be now thinking how history will >>>>>>>remember you.
Just outside of this debating chamber are the portraits of our great >>>>>>>leaders.
From Seddon, to Savage and Fraser to Kirk how do these giants who >>>>>>>established universal suffrage, a caring state in the midst of a >>>>>>>depression and world war and a modern independent, bicultural New >>>>>>>Zealand compare with you?
Is the flag it?
Your desperate, lumbering, grasping attempt at building a legacy with a >>>>>>>flag won’t mask the realities.
Hungry kids up
Inequality up
Pollution up
Debt up
Housing costs up
Electricity costs up
Foreign ownership up
Corruption up
Once you may have been a national leader but now you look like just a >>>>>>>National Party leader.
Once you attacked the nanny state of efficient lightbulbs but then >>>>>>>presided over the most wide reaching mass surveillance state in our >>>>>>>country’s history, passed the Skynet law, sacked elected councils and >>>>>>>then refused elections.
You’re our first selfie PM, our first comedian PM - a derping, planking, >>>>>>>rape-joking expert at getting us on late night American comedy shows. >>>>>>>
At a time of growing inequality, rapid global change and systemic >>>>>>>economic problems we got basically a chilled out entertainer.
On Election night 2011 you first thanked your pollster.
You are our most poll-driven PM ever, yet after all these years we still >>>>>>>don’t know what you stand for bar the jokes and three line slogans. >>>>>>>
Do you see more for New Zealand than just China’s dairy farm and >>>>>>>America’s spy station?
Prime Minister, why, just last week, on our national day did you run >>>>>>>from debate at Waitangi – once again into the arms of rugby players. >>>>>>>
To the 300,000 kids growing up in poverty are you saying ‘Ask not what >>>>>>>your country can do for you but what you can do for Serco, Sky City, >>>>>>>Saudi Sheiks, Media works, Warners, and Rio Tinto?’
Under your leadership scientists have been ridiculed and silenced and >>>>>>>NGOs have had their funding and voice cut.
Rape crisis centres are closing and food banks are doing a brisk trade. >>>>>>>
Kiwis are noted for their generosity and hospitality but Prime Minister, >>>>>>>under you, New Zealand has become more welcoming to oil companies than >>>>>>>refugees.
Whenever there is a Government scandal, extreme benefit measures are >>>>>>>floated, and ‘look over there – pandas.’
Prime Minister, you may not have a plum in your mouth like your hero >>>>>>>Holyoake, but you’re exactly the same – an arrogant, born to rule, out >>>>>>>of touch, short-term, kick the can down the road style of leadership. >>>>>>>
You delivered tax cuts the country couldn’t afford and leave $120 >>>>>>>billion in debt, a superannuation crisis, crippling student loans and a >>>>>>>generation locked out of home ownership.
You might call that a legacy, I call it intergenerational theft.
Once, we were one of the richest nations in the world. Now Kiwis work >>>>>>>some of the longest hours, for some of the lowest wages and pay some of >>>>>>>the highest costs of living in the developed world.
After selling our assets you are now selling out our sovereignty to >>>>>>>corporates and the Hollywood industrial complex.
Your small army of spin doctors tell us again and again you grew up in a >>>>>>>state house but now that you’re on the 9th floor you’re even selling >>>>>>>them too.
But you seem like a good guy to have a beer with. No one else in this >>>>>>>room could have got away with your stunts, gaffes and antics.
How have you gotten away with it? We could ask Crosby and Textor and >>>>>>>point to the biggest of big business bucks and the dirtiest of dirty >>>>>>>tricks operations in New Zealand history.
Kiwis are a good people, a caring people and we can reclaim our >>>>>>>democracy from big money and dirty politics.
One of your legacies is what you cynically call the rent a crowd is >>>>>>>growing into a real political movement for change.
Another legacy of your term is a Green Party stronger than ever before. >>>>>>>Thank you Prime Minister.
Prime Minister as you reflect this may be one of your last opening >>>>>>>speeches to Parliament I have no doubt you will go down in history as >>>>>>>one of the most successful politicians of a generation. By ‘politician’ >>>>>>>I mean the way it’s written on the Stuff comments section.
The Greens cannot win an electorate (though a previous co-leader did) >>>>>>and their support base is in garnering between 10 and 15% of the party >>>>>>vote over the last 7 elections. After this many elections it is hard >>>>>>to believe they will ever be able to do any better - their lot in life >>>>>>is as a minority party either in opposition (as at present) or in >>>>>>government.
Given all this, the opinions of Gareth Hughes in criticising John Key >>>>>>(given that National are still so close to governing alone after 3 >>>>>>consecutive terms in government) contain as little merit as they do >>>>>>truth.
Clearly truth is a movable concept for some - or we just see things >>>>>differently. I suspect you and Liberty can agree with a at least some >>>>>of the speech - the bits that suggest we have John Key to thank, but >>>>>without the context for each!
Looking at electionresults.org.nz it seems that in fact in general >>>>elections, Green Party party vote has varied between 5.16% in 1999 >>>>(listing in the first MMP election in 1996) and 11.06% in 2011. In >>>>2014 it was 10.7% so in fact can be portrayed as declining.
Gareth Hughes is an MP - and the article you quoted seeks to diminish >>>>and trivialise political achievements under John Key's leadership.
Look at this snippet:
"Your desperate, lumbering, grasping attempt at building a legacy with >>>>a flag won’t mask the realities."
When emotive claptrap like this is used the political motivation is >>>>exposed and it must grate painfully with Hughes that National lead by >>>>John Key continues to garner electoral support that Hughes and the >>>>Greens can never realistically hope to achieve. If there is any >>>>'truth' to be found in the claims Hughes makes this is not reflected
in the last two general elections and there is no sign of it in
current opinion polls.
When it comes to attacking the leadership qualities of Key and >>>>National, the Greens need to be mindful that although their leadership >>>>is relatively stable they have been singularly unsuccessful at the >>>>ballot box compared to National since their low in 2002.
That is not to say I support John Key. I will remind you that I have >>>>not voted National (either party or candidate) in the MMP era. What I >>>>am saying is that the Greens and Labour are simply incapable of >>>>capturing support from National and attacking Key and National like >>>>this proves that Hughes and company don't know what else to try.
Do you doisagree with any of these (they were not given as opinions,
and doubtless John Key can find someone to say they are wrong, but I
am asking your view)
Hungry kids up
Inequality up
Pollution up
Debt up
Housing costs up
Electricity costs up
Foreign ownership up
Corruption up
What you have said above is the sort of bald emotive statements
opposition MPs make in Parliament. Take, for example. 'Hungry Kids
Up'. How do you define 'Hungry'?
You may recall various programmes looking at the proportion of
children bringing lunch to school, or relying on that gang in Aucland
to provide food - the corporate sponsorship that John Key was
enthusiastic about that provided breakfasts for schools with
particular difficulties. Then there are the reports of food banks,
social workers etc. Have you been avoiding the news?
If this means that children goWho has a garden they can grow things in? Some of the housing
unfed because their parents can no longer afford cheap fast-food then
that is not as important than if said parents cant afford to buy >>seeds/plants to put into a garden and grow.
apartments newly renovated by the Wellington Council have window
boxes, but you would not get many lettuces out of one of those outside
a window on the 3rd floor . . .
Equally this statementAbsolutely - although sometimes people had jobs when their children
could be an indictment of couples choosing to have children they
cannot support.
were born - remember there are still 28,000 more unemployed than when >National came into office in 2008. How would you solve that problem -
ask thhen to hand the children over to WINZ?
Good.'Debt Up' is meaningless on its own. Every time someone manages toNo,
buy their first home debt goes up. Are you complaining about this?
but the percentage of GDP represented by government debt has gone
up particularly fast, without major capital expenditure to show for it
. . (and we know that the tax cuts were not, as originally promised,
revenue neutral)
That is the classic Ï don;pt understand the question, and wish to
If you care to provide cites for each of the claims made above then
the cites themselves might throw light on context and would certainly
throw light on the claims being made.
nit-pick definitions until it goes away"defence. Good on you for
trying . . . most National supporters just ignore the questions.
On the other hand, you might want to provide cites using favourable >definitions to show that the factual summaries are even slightly
flawed . . . .
On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 22:20:28 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 21:21:36 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:So a child of 12 weighing 118kg qualifies as being 'hungry' as well as
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 23:33:49 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:Not having enough to eat. Your definition?
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 20:13:27 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 16:19:35 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 16:06:22 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>>wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 12:13:07 +1300, victor <user1@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>>
On 12/02/2016 11:37 p.m., Liberty wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 20:50:16 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/41477
Was there suppose to be someone of importance.
You must of erroneously posted the wrong clip.
Being technology challenged it is understandable.
Here let me help.
You're welcome.
Gareth Hughes MP on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 16:14
Kia ora
Prime Minister, I’ve sat and listened to all your speeches opening >>>>>>>>Parliament and I’d like to congratulate you on delivering your 8th speech.
It’s a real accomplishment and you must be now thinking how history will
remember you.
Just outside of this debating chamber are the portraits of our great >>>>>>>>leaders.
From Seddon, to Savage and Fraser to Kirk how do these giants who >>>>>>>>established universal suffrage, a caring state in the midst of a >>>>>>>>depression and world war and a modern independent, bicultural New >>>>>>>>Zealand compare with you?
Is the flag it?
Your desperate, lumbering, grasping attempt at building a legacy with a >>>>>>>>flag won’t mask the realities.
Hungry kids up
Inequality up
Pollution up
Debt up
Housing costs up
Electricity costs up
Foreign ownership up
Corruption up
Once you may have been a national leader but now you look like just a >>>>>>>>National Party leader.
Once you attacked the nanny state of efficient lightbulbs but then >>>>>>>>presided over the most wide reaching mass surveillance state in our >>>>>>>>country’s history, passed the Skynet law, sacked elected councils and >>>>>>>>then refused elections.
You’re our first selfie PM, our first comedian PM - a derping, planking,
rape-joking expert at getting us on late night American comedy shows. >>>>>>>>
At a time of growing inequality, rapid global change and systemic >>>>>>>>economic problems we got basically a chilled out entertainer.
On Election night 2011 you first thanked your pollster.
You are our most poll-driven PM ever, yet after all these years we still
don’t know what you stand for bar the jokes and three line slogans. >>>>>>>>
Do you see more for New Zealand than just China’s dairy farm and >>>>>>>>America’s spy station?
Prime Minister, why, just last week, on our national day did you run >>>>>>>>from debate at Waitangi – once again into the arms of rugby players. >>>>>>>>
To the 300,000 kids growing up in poverty are you saying ‘Ask not what >>>>>>>>your country can do for you but what you can do for Serco, Sky City, >>>>>>>>Saudi Sheiks, Media works, Warners, and Rio Tinto?’
Under your leadership scientists have been ridiculed and silenced and >>>>>>>>NGOs have had their funding and voice cut.
Rape crisis centres are closing and food banks are doing a brisk trade. >>>>>>>>
Kiwis are noted for their generosity and hospitality but Prime Minister,
under you, New Zealand has become more welcoming to oil companies than >>>>>>>>refugees.
Whenever there is a Government scandal, extreme benefit measures are >>>>>>>>floated, and ‘look over there – pandas.’
Prime Minister, you may not have a plum in your mouth like your hero >>>>>>>>Holyoake, but you’re exactly the same – an arrogant, born to rule, out >>>>>>>>of touch, short-term, kick the can down the road style of leadership. >>>>>>>>
You delivered tax cuts the country couldn’t afford and leave $120 >>>>>>>>billion in debt, a superannuation crisis, crippling student loans and a >>>>>>>>generation locked out of home ownership.
You might call that a legacy, I call it intergenerational theft. >>>>>>>>
Once, we were one of the richest nations in the world. Now Kiwis work >>>>>>>>some of the longest hours, for some of the lowest wages and pay some of >>>>>>>>the highest costs of living in the developed world.
After selling our assets you are now selling out our sovereignty to >>>>>>>>corporates and the Hollywood industrial complex.
Your small army of spin doctors tell us again and again you grew up in a
state house but now that you’re on the 9th floor you’re even selling >>>>>>>>them too.
But you seem like a good guy to have a beer with. No one else in this >>>>>>>>room could have got away with your stunts, gaffes and antics.
How have you gotten away with it? We could ask Crosby and Textor and >>>>>>>>point to the biggest of big business bucks and the dirtiest of dirty >>>>>>>>tricks operations in New Zealand history.
Kiwis are a good people, a caring people and we can reclaim our >>>>>>>>democracy from big money and dirty politics.
One of your legacies is what you cynically call the rent a crowd is >>>>>>>>growing into a real political movement for change.
Another legacy of your term is a Green Party stronger than ever before. >>>>>>>>Thank you Prime Minister.
Prime Minister as you reflect this may be one of your last opening >>>>>>>>speeches to Parliament I have no doubt you will go down in history as >>>>>>>>one of the most successful politicians of a generation. By ‘politician’ >>>>>>>>I mean the way it’s written on the Stuff comments section.
The Greens cannot win an electorate (though a previous co-leader did) >>>>>>>and their support base is in garnering between 10 and 15% of the party >>>>>>>vote over the last 7 elections. After this many elections it is hard >>>>>>>to believe they will ever be able to do any better - their lot in life >>>>>>>is as a minority party either in opposition (as at present) or in >>>>>>>government.
Given all this, the opinions of Gareth Hughes in criticising John Key >>>>>>>(given that National are still so close to governing alone after 3 >>>>>>>consecutive terms in government) contain as little merit as they do >>>>>>>truth.
Clearly truth is a movable concept for some - or we just see things >>>>>>differently. I suspect you and Liberty can agree with a at least some >>>>>>of the speech - the bits that suggest we have John Key to thank, but >>>>>>without the context for each!
Looking at electionresults.org.nz it seems that in fact in general >>>>>elections, Green Party party vote has varied between 5.16% in 1999 >>>>>(listing in the first MMP election in 1996) and 11.06% in 2011. In >>>>>2014 it was 10.7% so in fact can be portrayed as declining.
Gareth Hughes is an MP - and the article you quoted seeks to diminish >>>>>and trivialise political achievements under John Key's leadership. >>>>>Look at this snippet:
"Your desperate, lumbering, grasping attempt at building a legacy with >>>>>a flag won’t mask the realities."
When emotive claptrap like this is used the political motivation is >>>>>exposed and it must grate painfully with Hughes that National lead by >>>>>John Key continues to garner electoral support that Hughes and the >>>>>Greens can never realistically hope to achieve. If there is any >>>>>'truth' to be found in the claims Hughes makes this is not reflected >>>>>in the last two general elections and there is no sign of it in >>>>>current opinion polls.
When it comes to attacking the leadership qualities of Key and >>>>>National, the Greens need to be mindful that although their leadership >>>>>is relatively stable they have been singularly unsuccessful at the >>>>>ballot box compared to National since their low in 2002.
That is not to say I support John Key. I will remind you that I have >>>>>not voted National (either party or candidate) in the MMP era. What I >>>>>am saying is that the Greens and Labour are simply incapable of >>>>>capturing support from National and attacking Key and National like >>>>>this proves that Hughes and company don't know what else to try.
Do you doisagree with any of these (they were not given as opinions, >>>>and doubtless John Key can find someone to say they are wrong, but I
am asking your view)
Hungry kids up
Inequality up
Pollution up
Debt up
Housing costs up
Electricity costs up
Foreign ownership up
Corruption up
What you have said above is the sort of bald emotive statements >>>opposition MPs make in Parliament. Take, for example. 'Hungry Kids
Up'. How do you define 'Hungry'?
a underweight and malnourished child?
You may recall various programmes looking at the proportion ofNo. But equally have you seen the news that the parents are sending
children bringing lunch to school, or relying on that gang in Aucland
to provide food - the corporate sponsorship that John Key was
enthusiastic about that provided breakfasts for schools with
particular difficulties. Then there are the reports of food banks,
social workers etc. Have you been avoiding the news?
their kids to school without lunch because they will get a free one -
so the parents have more money to spend on themselves?
What is wrong with charities or corporate sponsors supporting those
who may be in need? Both types of organisation are spending money
willingly given for the purpose. Tax, for most of us, is not
willingly given.
Housing NZ still has a sizeable number of properties, a tinyIf this means that children goWho has a garden they can grow things in? Some of the housing
unfed because their parents can no longer afford cheap fast-food then >>>that is not as important than if said parents cant afford to buy >>>seeds/plants to put into a garden and grow.
apartments newly renovated by the Wellington Council have window
boxes, but you would not get many lettuces out of one of those outside
a window on the 3rd floor . . .
proportion of which might be the sort of apartment you mention.
Equally this statementAbsolutely - although sometimes people had jobs when their children
could be an indictment of couples choosing to have children they
cannot support.
were born - remember there are still 28,000 more unemployed than when >>National came into office in 2008. How would you solve that problem -
ask thhen to hand the children over to WINZ?
You ignore the fact that employment has also risen substantially and
the rate of unemployment as a percentage of the workforce has fallen.
Cutting revenue, keeping spending and borrowing to make up theGood.
'Debt Up' is meaningless on its own. Every time someone manages toNo,
buy their first home debt goes up. Are you complaining about this?
but the percentage of GDP represented by government debt has goneDebatable but nothing to do with 'Debt Up' as you claimed.
up particularly fast, without major capital expenditure to show for it
. . (and we know that the tax cuts were not, as originally promised, >>revenue neutral)
It is a classic case as you say - but a classic case of making >unsubstantiated claims as to what the 'truth' is. You call itThat is the classic Ï don;pt understand the question, and wish to
If you care to provide cites for each of the claims made above then
the cites themselves might throw light on context and would certainly >>>throw light on the claims being made.
nit-pick definitions until it goes away"defence. Good on you for
trying . . . most National supporters just ignore the questions.
nit-picking, I call it political rhetoric.
On the other hand, you might want to provide cites using favourable >>definitions to show that the factual summaries are even slightly
flawed . . . .
You made claims - it is up to you to cite the supporting references. I >suspect that in fact those claims (similar to those made recently by
Gareth Hughes MP IIRC) are simply political rhetoric. If I were to
contest the accuracy of your cited information I accept it as
reasonable that I should also produce cites - but not until then.
Until then National will continue to dominate political popularity.
On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 21:21:36 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 23:33:49 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>Not having enough to eat. Your definition?
wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 20:13:27 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 16:19:35 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 16:06:22 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 12:13:07 +1300, victor <user1@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>
On 12/02/2016 11:37 p.m., Liberty wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 20:50:16 +1300,
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/41477
Was there suppose to be someone of importance.
You must of erroneously posted the wrong clip.
Being technology challenged it is understandable.
Here let me help.
You're welcome.
Gareth Hughes MP on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 16:14
Kia ora
Prime Minister, I've sat and listened to all your speeches opening >>>>>>>Parliament and I'd like to congratulate you on delivering your 8th >>>>>>>speech.
It's a real accomplishment and you must be now thinking how history >>>>>>>will
remember you.
Just outside of this debating chamber are the portraits of our great >>>>>>>leaders.
From Seddon, to Savage and Fraser to Kirk how do these giants who >>>>>>>established universal suffrage, a caring state in the midst of a >>>>>>>depression and world war and a modern independent, bicultural New >>>>>>>Zealand compare with you?
Is the flag it?
Your desperate, lumbering, grasping attempt at building a legacy with >>>>>>>a
flag won't mask the realities.
Hungry kids up
Inequality up
Pollution up
Debt up
Housing costs up
Electricity costs up
Foreign ownership up
Corruption up
Once you may have been a national leader but now you look like just a >>>>>>>National Party leader.
Once you attacked the nanny state of efficient lightbulbs but then >>>>>>>presided over the most wide reaching mass surveillance state in our >>>>>>>country's history, passed the Skynet law, sacked elected councils and >>>>>>>then refused elections.
You're our first selfie PM, our first comedian PM - a derping, >>>>>>>planking,
rape-joking expert at getting us on late night American comedy shows. >>>>>>>
At a time of growing inequality, rapid global change and systemic >>>>>>>economic problems we got basically a chilled out entertainer.
On Election night 2011 you first thanked your pollster.
You are our most poll-driven PM ever, yet after all these years we >>>>>>>still
don't know what you stand for bar the jokes and three line slogans. >>>>>>>
Do you see more for New Zealand than just China's dairy farm and >>>>>>>America's spy station?
Prime Minister, why, just last week, on our national day did you run >>>>>>>from debate at Waitangi - once again into the arms of rugby players. >>>>>>>
To the 300,000 kids growing up in poverty are you saying 'Ask not >>>>>>>what
your country can do for you but what you can do for Serco, Sky City, >>>>>>>Saudi Sheiks, Media works, Warners, and Rio Tinto?'
Under your leadership scientists have been ridiculed and silenced and >>>>>>>NGOs have had their funding and voice cut.
Rape crisis centres are closing and food banks are doing a brisk >>>>>>>trade.
Kiwis are noted for their generosity and hospitality but Prime >>>>>>>Minister,
under you, New Zealand has become more welcoming to oil companies >>>>>>>than
refugees.
Whenever there is a Government scandal, extreme benefit measures are >>>>>>>floated, and 'look over there - pandas.'
Prime Minister, you may not have a plum in your mouth like your hero >>>>>>>Holyoake, but you're exactly the same - an arrogant, born to rule, >>>>>>>out
of touch, short-term, kick the can down the road style of leadership. >>>>>>>
You delivered tax cuts the country couldn't afford and leave $120 >>>>>>>billion in debt, a superannuation crisis, crippling student loans and >>>>>>>a
generation locked out of home ownership.
You might call that a legacy, I call it intergenerational theft.
Once, we were one of the richest nations in the world. Now Kiwis work >>>>>>>some of the longest hours, for some of the lowest wages and pay some >>>>>>>of
the highest costs of living in the developed world.
After selling our assets you are now selling out our sovereignty to >>>>>>>corporates and the Hollywood industrial complex.
Your small army of spin doctors tell us again and again you grew up >>>>>>>in a
state house but now that you're on the 9th floor you're even selling >>>>>>>them too.
But you seem like a good guy to have a beer with. No one else in this >>>>>>>room could have got away with your stunts, gaffes and antics.
How have you gotten away with it? We could ask Crosby and Textor and >>>>>>>point to the biggest of big business bucks and the dirtiest of dirty >>>>>>>tricks operations in New Zealand history.
Kiwis are a good people, a caring people and we can reclaim our >>>>>>>democracy from big money and dirty politics.
One of your legacies is what you cynically call the rent a crowd is >>>>>>>growing into a real political movement for change.
Another legacy of your term is a Green Party stronger than ever >>>>>>>before.
Thank you Prime Minister.
Prime Minister as you reflect this may be one of your last opening >>>>>>>speeches to Parliament I have no doubt you will go down in history as >>>>>>>one of the most successful politicians of a generation. By >>>>>>>'politician'
I mean the way it's written on the Stuff comments section.
The Greens cannot win an electorate (though a previous co-leader did) >>>>>>and their support base is in garnering between 10 and 15% of the party >>>>>>vote over the last 7 elections. After this many elections it is hard >>>>>>to believe they will ever be able to do any better - their lot in life >>>>>>is as a minority party either in opposition (as at present) or in >>>>>>government.
Given all this, the opinions of Gareth Hughes in criticising John Key >>>>>>(given that National are still so close to governing alone after 3 >>>>>>consecutive terms in government) contain as little merit as they do >>>>>>truth.
Clearly truth is a movable concept for some - or we just see things >>>>>differently. I suspect you and Liberty can agree with a at least some >>>>>of the speech - the bits that suggest we have John Key to thank, but >>>>>without the context for each!
Looking at electionresults.org.nz it seems that in fact in general >>>>elections, Green Party party vote has varied between 5.16% in 1999 >>>>(listing in the first MMP election in 1996) and 11.06% in 2011. In >>>>2014 it was 10.7% so in fact can be portrayed as declining.
Gareth Hughes is an MP - and the article you quoted seeks to diminish >>>>and trivialise political achievements under John Key's leadership.
Look at this snippet:
"Your desperate, lumbering, grasping attempt at building a legacy with >>>>a flag won't mask the realities."
When emotive claptrap like this is used the political motivation is >>>>exposed and it must grate painfully with Hughes that National lead by >>>>John Key continues to garner electoral support that Hughes and the >>>>Greens can never realistically hope to achieve. If there is any >>>>'truth' to be found in the claims Hughes makes this is not reflected
in the last two general elections and there is no sign of it in
current opinion polls.
When it comes to attacking the leadership qualities of Key and >>>>National, the Greens need to be mindful that although their leadership >>>>is relatively stable they have been singularly unsuccessful at the >>>>ballot box compared to National since their low in 2002.
That is not to say I support John Key. I will remind you that I have >>>>not voted National (either party or candidate) in the MMP era. What I >>>>am saying is that the Greens and Labour are simply incapable of >>>>capturing support from National and attacking Key and National like >>>>this proves that Hughes and company don't know what else to try.
Do you doisagree with any of these (they were not given as opinions,
and doubtless John Key can find someone to say they are wrong, but I
am asking your view)
Hungry kids up
Inequality up
Pollution up
Debt up
Housing costs up
Electricity costs up
Foreign ownership up
Corruption up
What you have said above is the sort of bald emotive statements
opposition MPs make in Parliament. Take, for example. 'Hungry Kids
Up'. How do you define 'Hungry'?
You may recall various programmes looking at the proportion of
children bringing lunch to school, or relying on that gang in Aucland
to provide food - the corporate sponsorship that John Key was
enthusiastic about that provided breakfasts for schools with
particular difficulties. Then there are the reports of food banks,
social workers etc. Have you been avoiding the news?
If this means that children goWho has a garden they can grow things in? Some of the housing
unfed because their parents can no longer afford cheap fast-food then
that is not as important than if said parents cant afford to buy >>seeds/plants to put into a garden and grow.
apartments newly renovated by the Wellington Council have window
boxes, but you would not get many lettuces out of one of those outside
a window on the 3rd floor . . .
Equally this statementAbsolutely - although sometimes people had jobs when their children
could be an indictment of couples choosing to have children they
cannot support.
were born - remember there are still 28,000 more unemployed than when National came into office in 2008. How would you solve that problem -
ask thhen to hand the children over to WINZ?
'Debt Up' is meaningless on its own. Every time someone manages toNo, but the percentage of GDP represented by government debt has gone
buy their first home debt goes up. Are you complaining about this?
up particularly fast, without major capital expenditure to show for it
. . (and we know that the tax cuts were not, as originally promised,
revenue neutral)
That is the classic Ï don;pt understand the question, and wish to
If you care to provide cites for each of the claims made above then
the cites themselves might throw light on context and would certainly
throw light on the claims being made.
nit-pick definitions until it goes away"defence. Good on you for
trying . . . most National supporters just ignore the questions.
On the other hand, you might want to provide cites using favourable definitions to show that the factual summaries are even slightly
flawed . . . .
On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 09:28:39 +1300, victor <user1@example.net> wrote:
Here let me help.Just another cry of the week rant.
You're welcome.
Gareth Hughes MP on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 16:14
Kia ora
From a non entity.
I don't know why you were crying about it.
But it is certainly true that you are a non entity
Changing the context is not clever it just proves you are a twat.
Then we can expect that from the VI
Just more crying from a non entity
But what more can we expect from John Key's airhead fanbois
Try again
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 20:13:27 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 16:19:35 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 16:06:22 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 12:13:07 +1300, victor <user1@example.net> wrote:
On 12/02/2016 11:37 p.m., Liberty wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 20:50:16 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:
http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/41477
Was there suppose to be someone of importance.
You must of erroneously posted the wrong clip.
Being technology challenged it is understandable.
Here let me help.
You're welcome.
Gareth Hughes MP on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 16:14
Kia ora
Prime Minister, I've sat and listened to all your speeches opening >>>>>Parliament and I'd like to congratulate you on delivering your 8th >>>>>speech.
It's a real accomplishment and you must be now thinking how history >>>>>will
remember you.
Just outside of this debating chamber are the portraits of our great >>>>>leaders.
From Seddon, to Savage and Fraser to Kirk how do these giants who >>>>>established universal suffrage, a caring state in the midst of a >>>>>depression and world war and a modern independent, bicultural New >>>>>Zealand compare with you?
Is the flag it?
Your desperate, lumbering, grasping attempt at building a legacy with a >>>>>flag won't mask the realities.
Hungry kids up
Inequality up
Pollution up
Debt up
Housing costs up
Electricity costs up
Foreign ownership up
Corruption up
Once you may have been a national leader but now you look like just a >>>>>National Party leader.
Once you attacked the nanny state of efficient lightbulbs but then >>>>>presided over the most wide reaching mass surveillance state in our >>>>>country's history, passed the Skynet law, sacked elected councils and >>>>>then refused elections.
You're our first selfie PM, our first comedian PM - a derping, >>>>>planking,
rape-joking expert at getting us on late night American comedy shows. >>>>>
At a time of growing inequality, rapid global change and systemic >>>>>economic problems we got basically a chilled out entertainer.
On Election night 2011 you first thanked your pollster.
You are our most poll-driven PM ever, yet after all these years we >>>>>still
don't know what you stand for bar the jokes and three line slogans.
Do you see more for New Zealand than just China's dairy farm and >>>>>America's spy station?
Prime Minister, why, just last week, on our national day did you run >>>>>from debate at Waitangi - once again into the arms of rugby players.
To the 300,000 kids growing up in poverty are you saying 'Ask not what >>>>>your country can do for you but what you can do for Serco, Sky City, >>>>>Saudi Sheiks, Media works, Warners, and Rio Tinto?'
Under your leadership scientists have been ridiculed and silenced and >>>>>NGOs have had their funding and voice cut.
Rape crisis centres are closing and food banks are doing a brisk trade. >>>>>
Kiwis are noted for their generosity and hospitality but Prime >>>>>Minister,
under you, New Zealand has become more welcoming to oil companies than >>>>>refugees.
Whenever there is a Government scandal, extreme benefit measures are >>>>>floated, and 'look over there - pandas.'
Prime Minister, you may not have a plum in your mouth like your hero >>>>>Holyoake, but you're exactly the same - an arrogant, born to rule, out >>>>>of touch, short-term, kick the can down the road style of leadership. >>>>>
You delivered tax cuts the country couldn't afford and leave $120 >>>>>billion in debt, a superannuation crisis, crippling student loans and a >>>>>generation locked out of home ownership.
You might call that a legacy, I call it intergenerational theft.
Once, we were one of the richest nations in the world. Now Kiwis work >>>>>some of the longest hours, for some of the lowest wages and pay some of >>>>>the highest costs of living in the developed world.
After selling our assets you are now selling out our sovereignty to >>>>>corporates and the Hollywood industrial complex.
Your small army of spin doctors tell us again and again you grew up in >>>>>a
state house but now that you're on the 9th floor you're even selling >>>>>them too.
But you seem like a good guy to have a beer with. No one else in this >>>>>room could have got away with your stunts, gaffes and antics.
How have you gotten away with it? We could ask Crosby and Textor and >>>>>point to the biggest of big business bucks and the dirtiest of dirty >>>>>tricks operations in New Zealand history.
Kiwis are a good people, a caring people and we can reclaim our >>>>>democracy from big money and dirty politics.
One of your legacies is what you cynically call the rent a crowd is >>>>>growing into a real political movement for change.
Another legacy of your term is a Green Party stronger than ever before. >>>>>Thank you Prime Minister.
Prime Minister as you reflect this may be one of your last opening >>>>>speeches to Parliament I have no doubt you will go down in history as >>>>>one of the most successful politicians of a generation. By 'politician' >>>>>I mean the way it's written on the Stuff comments section.
The Greens cannot win an electorate (though a previous co-leader did) >>>>and their support base is in garnering between 10 and 15% of the party >>>>vote over the last 7 elections. After this many elections it is hard >>>>to believe they will ever be able to do any better - their lot in life >>>>is as a minority party either in opposition (as at present) or in >>>>government.
Given all this, the opinions of Gareth Hughes in criticising John Key >>>>(given that National are still so close to governing alone after 3 >>>>consecutive terms in government) contain as little merit as they do >>>>truth.
Clearly truth is a movable concept for some - or we just see things >>>differently. I suspect you and Liberty can agree with a at least some
of the speech - the bits that suggest we have John Key to thank, but >>>without the context for each!
Looking at electionresults.org.nz it seems that in fact in general >>elections, Green Party party vote has varied between 5.16% in 1999
(listing in the first MMP election in 1996) and 11.06% in 2011. In
2014 it was 10.7% so in fact can be portrayed as declining.
Gareth Hughes is an MP - and the article you quoted seeks to diminish
and trivialise political achievements under John Key's leadership.
Look at this snippet:
"Your desperate, lumbering, grasping attempt at building a legacy with
a flag won't mask the realities."
When emotive claptrap like this is used the political motivation is
exposed and it must grate painfully with Hughes that National lead by
John Key continues to garner electoral support that Hughes and the
Greens can never realistically hope to achieve. If there is any
'truth' to be found in the claims Hughes makes this is not reflected
in the last two general elections and there is no sign of it in
current opinion polls.
When it comes to attacking the leadership qualities of Key and
National, the Greens need to be mindful that although their leadership
is relatively stable they have been singularly unsuccessful at the
ballot box compared to National since their low in 2002.
That is not to say I support John Key. I will remind you that I have
not voted National (either party or candidate) in the MMP era. What I
am saying is that the Greens and Labour are simply incapable of
capturing support from National and attacking Key and National like
this proves that Hughes and company don't know what else to try.
Do you doisagree with any of these (they were not given as opinions,
and doubtless John Key can find someone to say they are wrong, but I
am asking your view)
Hungry kids up
Inequality up
Pollution up
Debt up
Housing costs up
Electricity costs up
Foreign ownership up
Corruption up
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 18:38:56 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Thursday, 11 February 2016 20:50:20 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/41477
Too bad the boy-child can't follow his own party 'values' >>https://home.greens.org.nz/values
6. Engage respectfully, without personal attacks
Just another lefty "do as I say not as I do" nasty little hypocrite.
Whose only work experience was imitating Ronald McDonald http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0405/S00098.htm
On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 09:20:17 +1300, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 18:38:56 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>wrote:
On Thursday, 11 February 2016 20:50:20 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/41477
Too bad the boy-child can't follow his own party 'values' >>>https://home.greens.org.nz/values
6. Engage respectfully, without personal attacks
Just another lefty "do as I say not as I do" nasty little hypocrite.
Whose only work experience was imitating Ronald McDonald
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0405/S00098.htm
So which of these do you think may be wrong, "Liberty"?
Hungry kids up
Inequality up
Pollution up
Debt up
Housing costs up
Electricity costs up
Foreign ownership up
Corruption up
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 10:07:32 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 22:20:28 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 21:21:36 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 23:33:49 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 20:13:27 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 16:19:35 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 16:06:22 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>>>wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 12:13:07 +1300, victor <user1@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>
On 12/02/2016 11:37 p.m., Liberty wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 20:50:16 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
a
http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/41477
Was there suppose to be someone of importance.
You must of erroneously posted the wrong clip.
Being technology challenged it is understandable.
Here let me help.
You're welcome.
Gareth Hughes MP on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 16:14
Kia ora
Prime Minister, I’ve sat and listened to all your speeches opening >>>>>>>>>Parliament and I’d like to congratulate you on delivering your 8th speech.
It’s a real accomplishment and you must be now thinking how history will
remember you.
Just outside of this debating chamber are the portraits of our great >>>>>>>>>leaders.
From Seddon, to Savage and Fraser to Kirk how do these giants who >>>>>>>>>established universal suffrage, a caring state in the midst of a >>>>>>>>>depression and world war and a modern independent, bicultural New >>>>>>>>>Zealand compare with you?
Is the flag it?
Your desperate, lumbering, grasping attempt at building a legacy with a
flag won’t mask the realities.
Hungry kids up
Inequality up
Pollution up
Debt up
Housing costs up
Electricity costs up
Foreign ownership up
Corruption up
Once you may have been a national leader but now you look like just a >>>>>>>>>National Party leader.
Once you attacked the nanny state of efficient lightbulbs but then >>>>>>>>>presided over the most wide reaching mass surveillance state in our >>>>>>>>>country’s history, passed the Skynet law, sacked elected councils and >>>>>>>>>then refused elections.
You’re our first selfie PM, our first comedian PM - a derping, planking,
rape-joking expert at getting us on late night American comedy shows. >>>>>>>>>
At a time of growing inequality, rapid global change and systemic >>>>>>>>>economic problems we got basically a chilled out entertainer. >>>>>>>>>
On Election night 2011 you first thanked your pollster.
You are our most poll-driven PM ever, yet after all these years we still
don’t know what you stand for bar the jokes and three line slogans. >>>>>>>>>
Do you see more for New Zealand than just China’s dairy farm and >>>>>>>>>America’s spy station?
Prime Minister, why, just last week, on our national day did you run >>>>>>>>>from debate at Waitangi – once again into the arms of rugby players. >>>>>>>>>
To the 300,000 kids growing up in poverty are you saying ‘Ask not what >>>>>>>>>your country can do for you but what you can do for Serco, Sky City, >>>>>>>>>Saudi Sheiks, Media works, Warners, and Rio Tinto?’
Under your leadership scientists have been ridiculed and silenced and >>>>>>>>>NGOs have had their funding and voice cut.
Rape crisis centres are closing and food banks are doing a brisk trade.
Kiwis are noted for their generosity and hospitality but Prime Minister,
under you, New Zealand has become more welcoming to oil companies than >>>>>>>>>refugees.
Whenever there is a Government scandal, extreme benefit measures are >>>>>>>>>floated, and ‘look over there – pandas.’
Prime Minister, you may not have a plum in your mouth like your hero >>>>>>>>>Holyoake, but you’re exactly the same – an arrogant, born to rule, out >>>>>>>>>of touch, short-term, kick the can down the road style of leadership. >>>>>>>>>
You delivered tax cuts the country couldn’t afford and leave $120 >>>>>>>>>billion in debt, a superannuation crisis, crippling student loans and a
generation locked out of home ownership.
You might call that a legacy, I call it intergenerational theft. >>>>>>>>>
Once, we were one of the richest nations in the world. Now Kiwis work >>>>>>>>>some of the longest hours, for some of the lowest wages and pay some of
the highest costs of living in the developed world.
After selling our assets you are now selling out our sovereignty to >>>>>>>>>corporates and the Hollywood industrial complex.
Your small army of spin doctors tell us again and again you grew up in
So a child of 12 weighing 118kg qualifies as being 'hungry' as well asNot having enough to eat. Your definition?state house but now that you’re on the 9th floor you’re even selling >>>>>>>>>them too.
But you seem like a good guy to have a beer with. No one else in this >>>>>>>>>room could have got away with your stunts, gaffes and antics. >>>>>>>>>
How have you gotten away with it? We could ask Crosby and Textor and >>>>>>>>>point to the biggest of big business bucks and the dirtiest of dirty >>>>>>>>>tricks operations in New Zealand history.
Kiwis are a good people, a caring people and we can reclaim our >>>>>>>>>democracy from big money and dirty politics.
One of your legacies is what you cynically call the rent a crowd is >>>>>>>>>growing into a real political movement for change.
Another legacy of your term is a Green Party stronger than ever before.
Thank you Prime Minister.
Prime Minister as you reflect this may be one of your last opening >>>>>>>>>speeches to Parliament I have no doubt you will go down in history as >>>>>>>>>one of the most successful politicians of a generation. By ‘politician’
I mean the way it’s written on the Stuff comments section.
The Greens cannot win an electorate (though a previous co-leader did) >>>>>>>>and their support base is in garnering between 10 and 15% of the party >>>>>>>>vote over the last 7 elections. After this many elections it is hard >>>>>>>>to believe they will ever be able to do any better - their lot in life >>>>>>>>is as a minority party either in opposition (as at present) or in >>>>>>>>government.
Given all this, the opinions of Gareth Hughes in criticising John Key >>>>>>>>(given that National are still so close to governing alone after 3 >>>>>>>>consecutive terms in government) contain as little merit as they do >>>>>>>>truth.
Clearly truth is a movable concept for some - or we just see things >>>>>>>differently. I suspect you and Liberty can agree with a at least some >>>>>>>of the speech - the bits that suggest we have John Key to thank, but >>>>>>>without the context for each!
Looking at electionresults.org.nz it seems that in fact in general >>>>>>elections, Green Party party vote has varied between 5.16% in 1999 >>>>>>(listing in the first MMP election in 1996) and 11.06% in 2011. In >>>>>>2014 it was 10.7% so in fact can be portrayed as declining.
Gareth Hughes is an MP - and the article you quoted seeks to diminish >>>>>>and trivialise political achievements under John Key's leadership. >>>>>>Look at this snippet:
"Your desperate, lumbering, grasping attempt at building a legacy with >>>>>>a flag won’t mask the realities."
When emotive claptrap like this is used the political motivation is >>>>>>exposed and it must grate painfully with Hughes that National lead by >>>>>>John Key continues to garner electoral support that Hughes and the >>>>>>Greens can never realistically hope to achieve. If there is any >>>>>>'truth' to be found in the claims Hughes makes this is not reflected >>>>>>in the last two general elections and there is no sign of it in >>>>>>current opinion polls.
When it comes to attacking the leadership qualities of Key and >>>>>>National, the Greens need to be mindful that although their leadership >>>>>>is relatively stable they have been singularly unsuccessful at the >>>>>>ballot box compared to National since their low in 2002.
That is not to say I support John Key. I will remind you that I have >>>>>>not voted National (either party or candidate) in the MMP era. What I >>>>>>am saying is that the Greens and Labour are simply incapable of >>>>>>capturing support from National and attacking Key and National like >>>>>>this proves that Hughes and company don't know what else to try.
Do you doisagree with any of these (they were not given as opinions, >>>>>and doubtless John Key can find someone to say they are wrong, but I >>>>>am asking your view)
Hungry kids up
Inequality up
Pollution up
Debt up
Housing costs up
Electricity costs up
Foreign ownership up
Corruption up
What you have said above is the sort of bald emotive statements >>>>opposition MPs make in Parliament. Take, for example. 'Hungry Kids >>>>Up'. How do you define 'Hungry'?
a underweight and malnourished child?
So now you are changing the defintiion of ënough"
- semantics your
thing are they? A hungry child cannot survive on semantics . . .
You may recall various programmes looking at the proportion ofNo. But equally have you seen the news that the parents are sending
children bringing lunch to school, or relying on that gang in Aucland
to provide food - the corporate sponsorship that John Key was >>>enthusiastic about that provided breakfasts for schools with
particular difficulties. Then there are the reports of food banks,
social workers etc. Have you been avoiding the news?
their kids to school without lunch because they will get a free one -
so the parents have more money to spend on themselves?
No I havent seen that', but I am not surprised that someone may have
tried hard to get someone to suggest it . . ..
What is wrong with charities or corporate sponsors supporting those
who may be in need? Both types of organisation are spending money >>willingly given for the purpose. Tax, for most of us, is not
willingly given.
Nothing wrong with charities doing what they can, but they cannot
provide consistency over time and over all New Zealand - if a problem
is woidespread and endemic, it is cheaper for us all if government
ensures there is a solution - higher incomes for example may be
preferable to having so many in need.
Housing NZ still has a sizeable number of properties, a tinyIf this means that children goWho has a garden they can grow things in? Some of the housing
unfed because their parents can no longer afford cheap fast-food then >>>>that is not as important than if said parents cant afford to buy >>>>seeds/plants to put into a garden and grow.
apartments newly renovated by the Wellington Council have window
boxes, but you would not get many lettuces out of one of those outside
a window on the 3rd floor . . .
proportion of which might be the sort of apartment you mention.
Many of the working poor do not have the time / resources/ expertise
to grow their own food - and the same goes for those on a benefit
Equally this statementAbsolutely - although sometimes people had jobs when their children
could be an indictment of couples choosing to have children they
cannot support.
were born - remember there are still 28,000 more unemployed than when >>>National came into office in 2008. How would you solve that problem -
ask thhen to hand the children over to WINZ?
You ignore the fact that employment has also risen substantially and
the rate of unemployment as a percentage of the workforce has fallen.
Rising employment is good; a shame that it has not matched natural
growth in population, even after allowing for the increasing number of
our "baby-boomers" retiring. Knowing someone else got a job does not
help those 28,000 more that are unemployed than was the case in 2008.
Cutting revenue, keeping spending and borrowing to make up theGood.
'Debt Up' is meaningless on its own. Every time someone manages toNo,
buy their first home debt goes up. Are you complaining about this?
but the percentage of GDP represented by government debt has goneDebatable but nothing to do with 'Debt Up' as you claimed.
up particularly fast, without major capital expenditure to show for it
. . (and we know that the tax cuts were not, as originally promised, >>>revenue neutral)
difference is exactly what National did with the tax cuts . .
It is a classic case as you say - but a classic case of making >>unsubstantiated claims as to what the 'truth' is. You call itThat is the classic Ï don;pt understand the question, and wish to >>>nit-pick definitions until it goes away"defence. Good on you for
If you care to provide cites for each of the claims made above then
the cites themselves might throw light on context and would certainly >>>>throw light on the claims being made.
trying . . . most National supporters just ignore the questions.
nit-picking, I call it political rhetoric.
On the other hand, you might want to provide cites using favourable >>>definitions to show that the factual summaries are even slightly
flawed . . . .
You made claims - it is up to you to cite the supporting references. I >>suspect that in fact those claims (similar to those made recently by
Gareth Hughes MP IIRC) are simply political rhetoric. If I were to
contest the accuracy of your cited information I accept it as
reasonable that I should also produce cites - but not until then.
Until then National will continue to dominate political popularity.
Polling does not determine whether a politicians statement (from
National or any other party) is correct.
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