I have been hoping for an opposition party that is worthy of this country. In >the last 8 years none has existed (amazing what the loss of one competent >person can do, perhaps the only competent person!).
Now Labour and the Greens have 'signed" a Claytons contract. They are going to >offer an alternative to the National party but are not going to say whether >they will rule together, who will do what or what they will do if NZ First >muscles in.
I am no longer expecting competent opposition - it will not happen for years. >I had the privilege of listening to an address last night by a person who is >recognised as "the" World expert in his field and he is a New Zealander (yes we
do have a number of such people) and he made two predictions which are that >1. Trump will be the next US President and
2. Little will necer be Prime Minister - he based those predictions on a simple
concept which is that people vote for optimists, not pessimists.
Something of a revelation to some that were there but not a huge surprise to >me. A principle that Labour cannot possibly understand because it needs honsty >to do that!
I hope that he is wrong in his first prediction and I am sad that Labour cannot
muster competence in regard to his second.
The Labour opposition is pathetically incompetent and a real disaster for the >hard working people that have previously voted for them. They are a laughing >stock.
Tony
I have been hoping for an opposition party that is worthy of this country. In the last 8 years none has existed (amazing what the loss of one competent person can do, perhaps the only competent person!).to
Now Labour and the Greens have 'signed" a Claytons contract. They are going
offer an alternative to the National party but are not going to say whether they will rule together, who will do what or what they will do if NZ First muscles in.we
I am no longer expecting competent opposition - it will not happen for years. I had the privilege of listening to an address last night by a person who is recognised as "the" World expert in his field and he is a New Zealander (yes
do have a number of such people) and he made two predictions which are that 1. Trump will be the next US President andsimple
2. Little will necer be Prime Minister - he based those predictions on a
concept which is that people vote for optimists, not pessimists.honsty
Something of a revelation to some that were there but not a huge surprise to me. A principle that Labour cannot possibly understand because it needs
to do that!cannot
I hope that he is wrong in his first prediction and I am sad that Labour
muster competence in regard to his second.
The Labour opposition is pathetically incompetent and a real disaster for the hard working people that have previously voted for them. They are a laughing stock.
Tony
On Tue, 31 May 2016 02:19:48 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netYou are without a doubt the most obtuse person who has ever disgraced this newsgroup.
dot nz> wrote:
I have been hoping for an opposition party that is worthy of this country. In >>the last 8 years none has existed (amazing what the loss of one competent >>person can do, perhaps the only competent person!).
Now Labour and the Greens have 'signed" a Claytons contract. They are going >>to
offer an alternative to the National party but are not going to say whether >>they will rule together, who will do what or what they will do if NZ First >>muscles in.
I am no longer expecting competent opposition - it will not happen for years. >>I had the privilege of listening to an address last night by a person who is >>recognised as "the" World expert in his field and he is a New Zealander (yes >>we
do have a number of such people) and he made two predictions which are that >>1. Trump will be the next US President and
2. Little will necer be Prime Minister - he based those predictions on a >>simple
concept which is that people vote for optimists, not pessimists.
Something of a revelation to some that were there but not a huge surprise to >>me. A principle that Labour cannot possibly understand because it needs >>honsty
to do that!
I hope that he is wrong in his first prediction and I am sad that Labour >>cannot
muster competence in regard to his second.
The Labour opposition is pathetically incompetent and a real disaster for the >>hard working people that have previously voted for them. They are a laughing >>stock.
Tony
I am amazed that you couyld so delude yourself
The agreement betweenWhich proves my point - meaningless drivel by you and by the two "leaders"
the two parties is clearly and agreement to work together for a common
goal, but for a limited time. The terms of the agreement have been
published; had you bothered to read it, you would have seen that it
expires at the election.
It is an agreement to work together beforeAs above - drivel
that however to rid the country of the current government who they,
being opposition, are opposed to!
You appear to be incapable ofI have written more contracts than you have ever read and this one is not even a promise, it has no basis in obligations - it is the result of two tired parties desperately trying to pretend thay are competent - but failing so badly that it fools no one except you.
understanding a simple contract - many such contracts are for a
limited time, being a term either specified in the contract, or until
a particular event.
Cooperation is generally as a good thing, leading to greaterYes it is but this does not even smell like it - desperation.
effectiveness. Certainly the examples that hav been given of sharing
of stances and planning for a combined approach will be of assistance
in Parliament, and that can only beto the benefit of the country -
many people have been calling for a more effective opposition - isn't
that what you want, Tony?
Contrast that with the contracts between National and its supportNone of your business - you silly man - A different subject altogether, unrelated and not of any consequence because those agreements (not contracts you dolt) work. Unlike this unholy alliance announced by the two pseudo parties.
parties - why do you not decry them?
I suspect that it is part becauseDrivel and non sequitur
they do not seek cooperation to the same extent - they require voting
on certain matters with Natonal, and provide also for certain benefits
to accrue to the minor parties. We have seen the effect of such
"cooperation" with National - ACT, United Future and the Maori PArty
are but a shadow of their former selves, and combined they are polling
at less than required to retain government. Ineffect, the minor
parties have been "gutted" by National, thus in part negating the
beneficial effects of allowing for different viewpoints to be seen to
be considered. That ACT and UF survice is more to do with quirks in
the MMP system tham widespread support for those parties, and the same
toxic effect of being close to National has eroded support for teh
Maori Party.
In contrast, the agreement between Labour and the Greens represents aOf course its doesn't, I can hear the xheering in the Natiional caucus room right now! These two parties have now condemned themselves to oblivion.
threat to National - which in your heart I am sure you know, hence
your opposition.
Cry your river elsewhere,Tony - if its big enough Oravida may buy itYou Rich are a loser, a sycophant and a liar - you take every opportunity to denigrate people who disagree with you and you accuse people of things that you are much more guilty of yourself.
from you for nothing!
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2016 02:19:48 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netYou are without a doubt the most obtuse person who has ever disgraced this >newsgroup.
dot nz> wrote:
I have been hoping for an opposition party that is worthy of this country. In
the last 8 years none has existed (amazing what the loss of one competent >>>person can do, perhaps the only competent person!).
Now Labour and the Greens have 'signed" a Claytons contract. They are going >>>to
offer an alternative to the National party but are not going to say whether >>>they will rule together, who will do what or what they will do if NZ First >>>muscles in.
I am no longer expecting competent opposition - it will not happen for years.
I had the privilege of listening to an address last night by a person who is >>>recognised as "the" World expert in his field and he is a New Zealander (yes >>>we
do have a number of such people) and he made two predictions which are that >>>1. Trump will be the next US President and
2. Little will necer be Prime Minister - he based those predictions on a >>>simple
concept which is that people vote for optimists, not pessimists. >>>Something of a revelation to some that were there but not a huge surprise to >>>me. A principle that Labour cannot possibly understand because it needs >>>honsty
to do that!
I hope that he is wrong in his first prediction and I am sad that Labour >>>cannot
muster competence in regard to his second.
The Labour opposition is pathetically incompetent and a real disaster for the
hard working people that have previously voted for them. They are a laughing >>>stock.
Tony
I am amazed that you couyld so delude yourself
The agreement is a Clayton's agreement - it is desperation and you know it - >how about you behave honestly for the first time?
The agreement betweenWhich proves my point - meaningless drivel by you and by the two "leaders"
the two parties is clearly and agreement to work together for a common >>goal, but for a limited time. The terms of the agreement have been >>published; had you bothered to read it, you would have seen that it
expires at the election.
It is an agreement to work together beforeAs above - drivel
that however to rid the country of the current government who they,
being opposition, are opposed to!
You appear to be incapable ofI have written more contracts than you have ever read and this one is not even >a promise, it has no basis in obligations - it is the result of two tired >parties desperately trying to pretend thay are competent - but failing so badly
understanding a simple contract - many such contracts are for a
limited time, being a term either specified in the contract, or until
a particular event.
that it fools no one except you.
Yes it is but this does not even smell like it - desperation.
Cooperation is generally as a good thing, leading to greater
effectiveness. Certainly the examples that hav been given of sharing
of stances and planning for a combined approach will be of assistance
in Parliament, and that can only beto the benefit of the country -
many people have been calling for a more effective opposition - isn't
that what you want, Tony?
None of your business - you silly man - A different subject altogether, >unrelated and not of any consequence because those agreements (not contracts >you dolt) work. Unlike this unholy alliance announced by the two pseudo parties.
Contrast that with the contracts between National and its support
parties - why do you not decry them?
But you cannot refute any of it - "Right", Tony?I suspect that it is part becauseDrivel and non sequitur
they do not seek cooperation to the same extent - they require voting
on certain matters with Natonal, and provide also for certain benefits
to accrue to the minor parties. We have seen the effect of such >>"cooperation" with National - ACT, United Future and the Maori PArty
are but a shadow of their former selves, and combined they are polling
at less than required to retain government. Ineffect, the minor
parties have been "gutted" by National, thus in part negating the >>beneficial effects of allowing for different viewpoints to be seen to
be considered. That ACT and UF survice is more to do with quirks in
the MMP system than widespread support for those parties, and the same >>toxic effect of being close to National has eroded support for the
Maori Party.
Of course its doesn't, I can hear the xheering in the Natiional caucus room >right now! These two parties have now condemned themselves to oblivion.
In contrast, the agreement between Labour and the Greens represents a >>threat to National - which in your heart I am sure you know, hence
your opposition.
You Rich are a loser, a sycophant and a liar - you take every opportunity to >denigrate people who disagree with you and you accuse people of things that you
Cry your river elsewhere,Tony - if its big enough Oravida may buy it
from you for nothing!
are much more guilty of yourself.
Tony
On Tue, 31 May 2016 17:43:40 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netWhat a bitter little man you are. Your precious incompetent party with its incompetent leadership is imploding and all you can do is gnash your teeth and impotently abuse people A real person would try to help the party instead of hitting out at those that quite correctly call them to account.
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2016 02:19:48 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netYou are without a doubt the most obtuse person who has ever disgraced this >>newsgroup.
dot nz> wrote:
I have been hoping for an opposition party that is worthy of this country. >>>>In
the last 8 years none has existed (amazing what the loss of one competent >>>>person can do, perhaps the only competent person!).
Now Labour and the Greens have 'signed" a Claytons contract. They are going >>>>to
offer an alternative to the National party but are not going to say whether >>>>they will rule together, who will do what or what they will do if NZ First >>>>muscles in.
I am no longer expecting competent opposition - it will not happen for >>>>years.
I had the privilege of listening to an address last night by a person who >>>>is
recognised as "the" World expert in his field and he is a New Zealander >>>>(yes
we
do have a number of such people) and he made two predictions which are that >>>>1. Trump will be the next US President and
2. Little will necer be Prime Minister - he based those predictions on a >>>>simple
concept which is that people vote for optimists, not pessimists. >>>>Something of a revelation to some that were there but not a huge surprise >>>>to
me. A principle that Labour cannot possibly understand because it needs >>>>honsty
to do that!
I hope that he is wrong in his first prediction and I am sad that Labour >>>>cannot
muster competence in regard to his second.
The Labour opposition is pathetically incompetent and a real disaster for >>>>the
hard working people that have previously voted for them. They are a >>>>laughing
stock.
Tony
I am amazed that you couyld so delude yourself
The agreement is a Clayton's agreement - it is desperation and you know it - >>how about you behave honestly for the first time?
The agreement betweenWhich proves my point - meaningless drivel by you and by the two "leaders" >>> It is an agreement to work together before
the two parties is clearly and agreement to work together for a common >>>goal, but for a limited time. The terms of the agreement have been >>>published; had you bothered to read it, you would have seen that it >>>expires at the election.
that however to rid the country of the current government who they,As above - drivel
being opposition, are opposed to!
You appear to be incapable ofI have written more contracts than you have ever read and this one is not >>even
understanding a simple contract - many such contracts are for a
limited time, being a term either specified in the contract, or until
a particular event.
a promise, it has no basis in obligations - it is the result of two tired >>parties desperately trying to pretend thay are competent - but failing so >>badly
that it fools no one except you.
Yes it is but this does not even smell like it - desperation.
Cooperation is generally as a good thing, leading to greater >>>effectiveness. Certainly the examples that hav been given of sharing
of stances and planning for a combined approach will be of assistance
in Parliament, and that can only beto the benefit of the country -
many people have been calling for a more effective opposition - isn't >>>that what you want, Tony?
None of your business - you silly man - A different subject altogether, >>unrelated and not of any consequence because those agreements (not contracts >>you dolt) work. Unlike this unholy alliance announced by the two pseudo >>parties.
Contrast that with the contracts between National and its support
parties - why do you not decry them?
So an agreement is not a contract, and a contract not an agreement -
yeah - "Right"! Agreements between political parties are of interest
to everyone - but you are Right - with National they work to destroy
small parties, at the expense of democracy.
But you cannot refute any of it - "Right", Tony?I suspect that it is part becauseDrivel and non sequitur
they do not seek cooperation to the same extent - they require voting
on certain matters with Natonal, and provide also for certain benefits
to accrue to the minor parties. We have seen the effect of such >>>"cooperation" with National - ACT, United Future and the Maori PArty
are but a shadow of their former selves, and combined they are polling
at less than required to retain government. Ineffect, the minor
parties have been "gutted" by National, thus in part negating the >>>beneficial effects of allowing for different viewpoints to be seen to
be considered. That ACT and UF survice is more to do with quirks in
the MMP system than widespread support for those parties, and the same >>>toxic effect of being close to National has eroded support for the
Maori Party.
Of course its doesn't, I can hear the xheering in the Natiional caucus room >>right now! These two parties have now condemned themselves to oblivion.
In contrast, the agreement between Labour and the Greens represents a >>>threat to National - which in your heart I am sure you know, hence
your opposition.
No evidence, no coherent argument - you are of course "Right" - but
not in this case at least correct . . .
You Rich are a loser, a sycophant and a liar - you take every opportunity to >>denigrate people who disagree with you and you accuse people of things that >>you
Cry your river elsewhere,Tony - if its big enough Oravida may buy it
from you for nothing!
are much more guilty of yourself.
Tony
Your delusions run deep, Tony. .
You Rich are a loser, a sycophant and a liar - you take every opportunity to >denigrate people who disagree with you and you accuse people of things that you
are much more guilty of yourself.
Tony
If a country already has a competent government why change it?
If a country already has a competent government why change it?
On Tue, 31 May 2016 17:43:40 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net dot nz>wrote:
You Rich are a loser, a sycophant and a liar - you take every opportunity to >> denigrate people who disagree with you and you accuse people of things that you
are much more guilty of yourself.
Tony
What a bloody good post
On Tue, 31 May 2016 17:43:40 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2016 02:19:48 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netYou are without a doubt the most obtuse person who has ever disgraced this >>newsgroup.
dot nz> wrote:
I have been hoping for an opposition party that is worthy of this >>>>country. In
the last 8 years none has existed (amazing what the loss of one >>>>competent
person can do, perhaps the only competent person!).
Now Labour and the Greens have 'signed" a Claytons contract. They are >>>>going
to
offer an alternative to the National party but are not going to say >>>>whether
they will rule together, who will do what or what they will do if NZ >>>>First
muscles in.
I am no longer expecting competent opposition - it will not happen for >>>>years.
I had the privilege of listening to an address last night by a person >>>>who is
recognised as "the" World expert in his field and he is a New Zealander >>>>(yes
we
do have a number of such people) and he made two predictions which are >>>>that
1. Trump will be the next US President and
2. Little will necer be Prime Minister - he based those predictions on a >>>>simple
concept which is that people vote for optimists, not pessimists. >>>>Something of a revelation to some that were there but not a huge >>>>surprise to
me. A principle that Labour cannot possibly understand because it needs >>>>honsty
to do that!
I hope that he is wrong in his first prediction and I am sad that Labour >>>>cannot
muster competence in regard to his second.
The Labour opposition is pathetically incompetent and a real disaster >>>>for the
hard working people that have previously voted for them. They are a >>>>laughing
stock.
Tony
I am amazed that you couyld so delude yourself
The agreement is a Clayton's agreement - it is desperation and you know
it -
how about you behave honestly for the first time?
The agreement betweenWhich proves my point - meaningless drivel by you and by the two "leaders" >>> It is an agreement to work together before
the two parties is clearly and agreement to work together for a common >>>goal, but for a limited time. The terms of the agreement have been >>>published; had you bothered to read it, you would have seen that it >>>expires at the election.
that however to rid the country of the current government who they,As above - drivel
being opposition, are opposed to!
You appear to be incapable ofI have written more contracts than you have ever read and this one is not >>even
understanding a simple contract - many such contracts are for a
limited time, being a term either specified in the contract, or until
a particular event.
a promise, it has no basis in obligations - it is the result of two tired >>parties desperately trying to pretend thay are competent - but failing so >>badly
that it fools no one except you.
Yes it is but this does not even smell like it - desperation.
Cooperation is generally as a good thing, leading to greater >>>effectiveness. Certainly the examples that hav been given of sharing
of stances and planning for a combined approach will be of assistance
in Parliament, and that can only beto the benefit of the country -
many people have been calling for a more effective opposition - isn't >>>that what you want, Tony?
None of your business - you silly man - A different subject altogether, >>unrelated and not of any consequence because those agreements (not >>contracts
Contrast that with the contracts between National and its support
parties - why do you not decry them?
you dolt) work. Unlike this unholy alliance announced by the two pseudo >>parties.
So an agreement is not a contract, and a contract not an agreement -
yeah - "Right"! Agreements between political parties are of interest
to everyone - but you are Right - with National they work to destroy
small parties, at the expense of democracy.
But you cannot refute any of it - "Right", Tony?I suspect that it is part becauseDrivel and non sequitur
they do not seek cooperation to the same extent - they require voting
on certain matters with Natonal, and provide also for certain benefits
to accrue to the minor parties. We have seen the effect of such >>>"cooperation" with National - ACT, United Future and the Maori PArty
are but a shadow of their former selves, and combined they are polling
at less than required to retain government. Ineffect, the minor
parties have been "gutted" by National, thus in part negating the >>>beneficial effects of allowing for different viewpoints to be seen to
be considered. That ACT and UF survice is more to do with quirks in
the MMP system than widespread support for those parties, and the same >>>toxic effect of being close to National has eroded support for the
Maori Party.
Of course its doesn't, I can hear the xheering in the Natiional caucus
In contrast, the agreement between Labour and the Greens represents a >>>threat to National - which in your heart I am sure you know, hence
your opposition.
room
right now! These two parties have now condemned themselves to oblivion.
No evidence, no coherent argument - you are of course "Right" - but
not in this case at least correct . . .
You Rich are a loser, a sycophant and a liar - you take every opportunity >>to
Cry your river elsewhere,Tony - if its big enough Oravida may buy it
from you for nothing!
denigrate people who disagree with you and you accuse people of things
that you
are much more guilty of yourself.
Tony
Your delusions run deep, Tony. .
On Tue, 31 May 2016 02:19:48 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
I have been hoping for an opposition party that is worthy of this country. >>In
the last 8 years none has existed (amazing what the loss of one competent >>person can do, perhaps the only competent person!).
Now Labour and the Greens have 'signed" a Claytons contract. They are
going to
offer an alternative to the National party but are not going to say
whether
they will rule together, who will do what or what they will do if NZ First >>muscles in.
I am no longer expecting competent opposition - it will not happen for >>years.
I had the privilege of listening to an address last night by a person who >>is
recognised as "the" World expert in his field and he is a New Zealander >>(yes we
do have a number of such people) and he made two predictions which are
that
1. Trump will be the next US President and
2. Little will necer be Prime Minister - he based those predictions on a >>simple
concept which is that people vote for optimists, not pessimists.
Something of a revelation to some that were there but not a huge surprise >>to
me. A principle that Labour cannot possibly understand because it needs >>honsty
to do that!
I hope that he is wrong in his first prediction and I am sad that Labour >>cannot
muster competence in regard to his second.
The Labour opposition is pathetically incompetent and a real disaster for >>the
hard working people that have previously voted for them. They are a >>laughing
stock.
Tony
I am amazed that you couyld so delude yourself. The agreement between
the two parties is clearly and agreement to work together for a common
goal, but for a limited time.<further bullshit snipped>
Cooperation is generally as a good thing, leading to greater
effectiveness. <vague witterings snipped>
Contrast that with the contracts between National and its support
parties - why do you not decry them?
In contrast, the agreement between Labour and the Greens represents a
threat to National - which in your heart I am sure you know, hence
your opposition.
Cry your river elsewhere,Tony - if its big enough Oravida may buy it
from you for nothing!
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