http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11648166the Green's support. Winston won't enter a coalition with the Greens so they need to be left on the doorstep and taken for granted as Labour always has done
The only way for Labour into government is to get Winston aboard and also get
But now the Greens are in a putative coalition complete with cabinet postsWinston won't touch it.
See you in 2020, Labour.
JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:get the Green's support. Winston won't enter a coalition with the Greens so they need to be left on the doorstep and taken for granted as Labour always has
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11648166
The only way for Labour into government is to get Winston aboard and also
Winston won't touch it.But now the Greens are in a putative coalition complete with cabinet posts
See you in 2020, Labour.
Yep they sure have. The last thing people in this country want is
another tax and spend government plus the Greens who want to ban
everything that they don't like..
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11648166to them.
The only way for Labour into government is to get Winston aboard and also get the Green's support. Winston won't enter a coalition with the Greens so they need to be left on the doorstep and taken for granted as Labour always has done
But now the Greens are in a putative coalition complete with cabinet posts Winston won't touch it.
See you in 2020, Labour.
On Wednesday, 1 June 2016 08:38:49 UTC+12, Mutlley wrote:done to them.
JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11648166
The only way for Labour into government is to get Winston aboard and also get the Green's support. Winston won't enter a coalition with the Greens so they need to be left on the doorstep and taken for granted as Labour always has
But now the Greens are in a putative coalition complete with cabinet posts Winston won't touch it.
See you in 2020, Labour.
Yep they sure have. The last thing people in this country want is
another tax and spend government plus the Greens who want to ban
everything that they don't like..
Trevett agrees:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11648247
Straight off the bat:
"It may indeed be historic but the agreement between the Green Party and Labour may also effectively have handed the 2017 election to National on a platter."
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11648166the Green's support. Winston won't enter a coalition with the Greens so they need to be left on the doorstep and taken for granted as Labour always has done
The only way for Labour into government is to get Winston aboard and also get
But now the Greens are in a putative coalition complete with cabinet postsWinston won't touch it.
See you in 2020, Labour.
Just wait for the blood letting and the blame games after they lose
at the next election.
On 31/05/16 15:53, JohnO wrote:done to them.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11648166
The only way for Labour into government is to get Winston aboard and also get the Green's support. Winston won't enter a coalition with the Greens so they need to be left on the doorstep and taken for granted as Labour always has
But now the Greens are in a putative coalition complete with cabinet posts Winston won't touch it.
See you in 2020, Labour.
First it was fatso Robertson confirming Lieboor have learnt nothing
and are sticking to the tax, loot and squander policy they had at the
last election.
Now, Nikki Hagar is writing a new book. Another rabid rant about the
panama papers, and the Greens and Lieboor have combined to pretend
his raving is damaging to the government. The same tag team act as the
last election.
It's a Dirty Politics sequel.
Lies, smears, innuendo and xenophobia. The same old negative outlook on
NZ that both the greens and lieboor cannot break out of.
All in all, a rerun of the policies from the last election. Losers.
"JohnO" wrote in message news:982ae586-36d7-4358-ba39-d0b89741b2fc@googlegroups.com...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11648166
The only way for Labour into government is to get Winston aboard and also
get the Green's support. Winston won't enter a coalition with the Greens
so they need to be left on the doorstep and taken for granted as Labour always has done to them.
But now the Greens are in a putative coalition complete with cabinet posts Winston won't touch it.
See you in 2020, Labour.
.........
Too many people still remember what Labour did after previous elections.
I want a party with a clear election policy that they will stick to. No bringing in stuff they didn't mention.
I don't think I would be the only voter who feels that way.
Can the present Labour party be trusted?
"JohnO" wrote in message >news:982ae586-36d7-4358-ba39-d0b89741b2fc@googlegroups.com...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11648166
The only way for Labour into government is to get Winston aboard and also
get the Green's support. Winston won't enter a coalition with the Greens so >they need to be left on the doorstep and taken for granted as Labour always >has done to them.
But now the Greens are in a putative coalition complete with cabinet posts >Winston won't touch it.
See you in 2020, Labour.
.........
Too many people still remember what Labour did after previous elections.
I want a party with a clear election policy that they will stick to. No >bringing in stuff they didn't mention.
I don't think I would be the only voter who feels that way.
Can the present Labour party be trusted?
"JohnO" wrote in message >news:982ae586-36d7-4358-ba39-d0b89741b2fc@googlegroups.com...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11648166
The only way for Labour into government is to get Winston aboard and also
get the Green's support. Winston won't enter a coalition with the Greens so >they need to be left on the doorstep and taken for granted as Labour always >has done to them.
But now the Greens are in a putative coalition complete with cabinet posts >Winston won't touch it.
See you in 2020, Labour.
.........
Too many people still remember what Labour did after previous elections.
I want a party with a clear election policy that they will stick to. No >bringing in stuff they didn't mention.
I don't think I would be the only voter who feels that way.
Can the present Labour party be trusted?
geopelia wrote:
"JohnO" wrote in message
news:982ae586-36d7-4358-ba39-d0b89741b2fc@googlegroups.com...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11648166
The only way for Labour into government is to get Winston aboard and also
get the Green's support. Winston won't enter a coalition with the Greens
so they need to be left on the doorstep and taken for granted as Labour
always has done to them.
But now the Greens are in a putative coalition complete with cabinet posts >> Winston won't touch it.
See you in 2020, Labour.
.........
Too many people still remember what Labour did after previous elections.
I want a party with a clear election policy that they will stick to. No
bringing in stuff they didn't mention.
I don't think I would be the only voter who feels that way.
Can the present Labour party be trusted?
No. Their current MO is to sledge the opposition. What makes them think that a platform of negativity will get them elected?
"JohnO" wrote in message >news:982ae586-36d7-4358-ba39-d0b89741b2fc@googlegroups.com...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11648166
The only way for Labour into government is to get Winston aboard and also
get the Green's support. Winston won't enter a coalition with the Greens so >they need to be left on the doorstep and taken for granted as Labour always >has done to them.
But now the Greens are in a putative coalition complete with cabinet posts >Winston won't touch it.
See you in 2020, Labour.
.........
Too many people still remember what Labour did after previous elections.
I want a party with a clear election policy that they will stick to. No >bringing in stuff they didn't mention.
I don't think I would be the only voter who feels that way.
Can the present Labour party be trusted?
On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 16:28:16 +1200, "geopelia" <geopelia@nowhere.com>
wrote:
"JohnO" wrote in message >news:982ae586-36d7-4358-ba39-d0b89741b2fc@googlegroups.com...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11648166
The only way for Labour into government is to get Winston aboard and also >get the Green's support. Winston won't enter a coalition with the Greens so >they need to be left on the doorstep and taken for granted as Labour always >has done to them.
But now the Greens are in a putative coalition complete with cabinet posts >Winston won't touch it.
See you in 2020, Labour.
.........
Too many people still remember what Labour did after previous elections.
I want a party with a clear election policy that they will stick to. No >bringing in stuff they didn't mention.
I don't think I would be the only voter who feels that way.
Can the present Labour party be trusted?
Yes they can Geopelia. Any government will annoy people during its
term, and any government will be able to be accused of breaking
promises. As far as trust is concerned the problems of housing in
Auckland are directly the result of National selling off State houses
instead of building more - even the Herald agrees that Labours
positive policies to build more houses are the only way forward.
National broke a promise to not increase GST, then reduced income
taxes which delivered higher benefits to those with high incomes than
to those on low and average incomes. The pension pays for less than it
used to for example. National have not looked after schools and
hospitals - a lot of elderly people now have to wait a lot longer to
get operations, and in many cases never get them. Labour left the
country with very low debt - National have increased debt hugely, but
the biggest problem is that they have spent on a lot of roads that
make Auckland awfullly clogged, and on roads elsewhere that on even
their own calculations were never worthwhile.
Their latest budget spends 4 times as much new money on the spy
agencies as on education
, and after inflation gives lower per head
spend on helath and education as before - and only the wealthy can
afford health insurance.
It is time for a change, and yes Labour can be trusted.
On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 11:30:46 +1200, greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 31/05/16 15:53, JohnO wrote:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11648166
The only way for Labour into government is to get Winston aboard and
also get the Green's support. Winston won't enter a coalition with the
Greens so they need to be left on the doorstep and taken for granted as
Labour always has done to them.
But now the Greens are in a putative coalition complete with cabinet
posts Winston won't touch it.
See you in 2020, Labour.
First it was fatso Robertson confirming Lieboor have learnt nothing
and are sticking to the tax, loot and squander policy they had at the
last election.
Now, Nikki Hagar is writing a new book. Another rabid rant about the
panama papers, and the Greens and Lieboor have combined to pretend
his raving is damaging to the government. The same tag team act as the
last election.
It's a Dirty Politics sequel.
Are you really working with Slater and otehrs on the defensive
response to the Panama Papers?
Lies, smears, innuendo and xenophobia. The same old negative outlook on
NZ that both the greens and lieboor cannot break out of.
Those characteristics do describe the Dirty Tricks of Slater, Farrar
Eade etc, but Labour and the Greens having nothing to break out of -
they have always avoided the dirst slung by the rabid right.
PoohAll in all, a rerun of the policies from the last election. Losers.
"JohnO" wrote in message news:982ae586-36d7-4358-ba39-d0b89741b2fc@googlegroups.com...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11648166
The only way for Labour into government is to get Winston aboard and also
get the Green's support. Winston won't enter a coalition with the Greens
so they need to be left on the doorstep and taken for granted as Labour always has done to them.
But now the Greens are in a putative coalition complete with cabinet posts Winston won't touch it.
See you in 2020, Labour.
.........
Too many people still remember what Labour did after previous elections.
I want a party with a clear election policy that they will stick to. No bringing in stuff they didn't mention.
I don't think I would be the only voter who feels that way.
Can the present Labour party be trusted?
On Thursday, 2 June 2016 12:51:22 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 16:28:16 +1200, "geopelia" <geopelia@nowhere.com>
wrote:
"JohnO" wrote in message
news:982ae586-36d7-4358-ba39-d0b89741b2fc@googlegroups.com...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11648166
The only way for Labour into government is to get Winston aboard and
also
get the Green's support. Winston won't enter a coalition with the Greens
so
they need to be left on the doorstep and taken for granted as Labour
always
has done to them.
But now the Greens are in a putative coalition complete with cabinet
posts
Winston won't touch it.
See you in 2020, Labour.
.........
Too many people still remember what Labour did after previous elections.
I want a party with a clear election policy that they will stick to. No
bringing in stuff they didn't mention.
I don't think I would be the only voter who feels that way.
Can the present Labour party be trusted?
Yes they can Geopelia. Any government will annoy people during its
term, and any government will be able to be accused of breaking
promises. As far as trust is concerned the problems of housing in
Auckland are directly the result of National selling off State houses
instead of building more - even the Herald agrees that Labours
positive policies to build more houses are the only way forward.
National broke a promise to not increase GST, then reduced income
taxes which delivered higher benefits to those with high incomes than
to those on low and average incomes. The pension pays for less than it
used to for example. National have not looked after schools and
hospitals - a lot of elderly people now have to wait a lot longer to
get operations, and in many cases never get them. Labour left the
country with very low debt - National have increased debt hugely, but
the biggest problem is that they have spent on a lot of roads that
make Auckland awfullly clogged, and on roads elsewhere that on even
their own calculations were never worthwhile.
Their latest budget spends 4 times as much new money on the spy
agencies as on education
Say what?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/80379211/budget-2016-cashstrapped-health-sector-receives-record-22b-shot-in-the-arm
"Health would receive $568m in the 2016-17 financial year - the biggest increase in seven years, and almost $170m more than they received last
year."
The spy agencies by contrast got about $179m over four years.
, and after inflation gives lower per head
spend on helath and education as before - and only the wealthy can
afford health insurance.
Drivel. Inflation is only about 1%. Population growth rate less than 1%, increase in health spending around 4%.
It is time for a change, and yes Labour can be trusted.
It certainly is time for a change. Labour are changing into a 3rd level
minor political party.
On 31/05/16 15:53, JohnO wrote:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11648166
The only way for Labour into government is to get Winston aboard and also
get the Green's support. Winston won't enter a coalition with the Greens
so they need to be left on the doorstep and taken for granted as Labour
always has done to them.
But now the Greens are in a putative coalition complete with cabinet
posts Winston won't touch it.
See you in 2020, Labour.
First it was fatso Robertson confirming Lieboor have learnt nothing
and are sticking to the tax, loot and squander policy they had at the last election.
Now, Nikki Hagar is writing a new book. Another rabid rant about the
panama papers, and the Greens and Lieboor have combined to pretend
his raving is damaging to the government. The same tag team act as the
last election.
It's a Dirty Politics sequel.
Lies, smears, innuendo and xenophobia. The same old negative outlook on NZ that both the greens and lieboor cannot break out of.
All in all, a rerun of the policies from the last election. Losers.
JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, 1 June 2016 08:38:49 UTC+12, Mutlley wrote:
JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11648166
The only way for Labour into government is to get Winston aboard and
also get the Green's support. Winston won't enter a coalition with the
Greens so they need to be left on the doorstep and taken for granted as >>> >Labour always has done to them.
But now the Greens are in a putative coalition complete with cabinet
posts Winston won't touch it.
See you in 2020, Labour.
Yep they sure have. The last thing people in this country want is
another tax and spend government plus the Greens who want to ban
everything that they don't like..
Trevett agrees:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11648247
Straight off the bat:
"It may indeed be historic but the agreement between the Green Party and >>Labour may also effectively have handed the 2017 election to National on a >>platter."
Just wait for the blood letting and the blame games after they lose
at the next election.
On 31/05/2016 3:53 p.m., JohnO wrote:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11648166
The only way for Labour into government is to get Winston aboard and also
get the Green's support. Winston won't enter a coalition with the Greens
so they need to be left on the doorstep and taken for granted as Labour
always has done to them.
But now the Greens are in a putative coalition complete with cabinet
posts Winston won't touch it.
See you in 2020, Labour.
This is an admission by Labour that their party is dying. If they can hang
on together until after the election they will surely amalgamate under a
new name. Winston will most likely be gone by then. I just can't imagine this as being a heaven made union. All policy announcements will need to
be agreed before either can announce them. That will be funny, as will the
3 leader circus. This will provide the ultimate in entertainment for those who take a bit of an interest matters political.
"JohnO" wrote in message news:982ae586-36d7-4358-ba39-d0b89741b2fc@googlegroups.com...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11648166
The only way for Labour into government is to get Winston aboard and also
get the Green's support. Winston won't enter a coalition with the Greens
so they need to be left on the doorstep and taken for granted as Labour always has done to them.
But now the Greens are in a putative coalition complete with cabinet posts Winston won't touch it.
See you in 2020, Labour.
.........
Too many people still remember what Labour did after previous elections.
I want a party with a clear election policy that they will stick to. No bringing in stuff they didn't mention.
I don't think I would be the only voter who feels that way.
Can the present Labour party be trusted?
On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 16:28:16 +1200, "geopelia" <geopelia@nowhere.com>
wrote:
"JohnO" wrote in message >>news:982ae586-36d7-4358-ba39-d0b89741b2fc@googlegroups.com...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11648166
The only way for Labour into government is to get Winston aboard and also >>get the Green's support. Winston won't enter a coalition with the Greens so >>they need to be left on the doorstep and taken for granted as Labour always >>has done to them.
But now the Greens are in a putative coalition complete with cabinet posts >>Winston won't touch it.
See you in 2020, Labour.
.........
Too many people still remember what Labour did after previous elections.
I want a party with a clear election policy that they will stick to. No >>bringing in stuff they didn't mention.
I don't think I would be the only voter who feels that way.
Can the present Labour party be trusted?
Yes they can Geopelia. Any government will annoy people during its
term, and any government will be able to be accused of breaking
promises. As far as trust is concerned the problems of housing in
Auckland are directly the result of National selling off State houses
instead of building more - even the Herald agrees that Labours
positive policies to build more houses are the only way forward.
National broke a promise to not increase GST, then reduced income
taxes which delivered higher benefits to those with high incomes than
to those on low and average incomes. The pension pays for less than it
used to for example. National have not looked after schools and
hospitals - a lot of elderly people now have to wait a lot longer to
get operations, and in many cases never get them. Labour left the
country with very low debt - National have increased debt hugely, but
the biggest problem is that they have spent on a lot of roads that
make Auckland awfullly clogged, and on roads elsewhere that on even
their own calculations were never worthwhile.
Their latest budget spends 4 times as much new money on the spy
agencies as on education, and after inflation gives lower per head
spend on helath and education as before - and only the wealthy can
afford health insurance.
It is time for a change, and yes Labour can be trusted.
And if you watch the broadcasts their 'sledging' is pretty vapid withThere are now nil prisoners at Mt Crawford and it is up foe disposal.
them asking the same questions and expecting other answers.
And it looks like Kelvin just crapped over his union mates in
Corrections since they now run Mt Crawford
On Thursday, June 2, 2016 at 9:19:24 AM UTC+12, george wrote:
....
And if you watch the broadcasts their 'sledging' is pretty vapid withThere are now nil prisoners at Mt Crawford and it is up foe disposal.
them asking the same questions and expecting other answers.
And it looks like Kelvin just crapped over his union mates in
Corrections since they now run Mt Crawford
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