• Suck on this labour

    From Liberty@3:770/3 to All on Monday, May 30, 2016 16:06:41
    Suck on this labour
    Green/Labour anti American Central Committees are going to have to eat a rat As 65% of labour /Green supporters want American warships to visit. http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/05/another-poll-shows-elft-wing-still-touch/#more-252809

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Monday, May 30, 2016 18:06:40
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 16:06:41 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    Suck on this labour
    Green/Labour anti American Central Committees are going to have to eat a rat
    As 65% of labour /Green supporters want American warships to visit. >http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/05/another-poll-shows-elft-wing-still-touch/#more-252809

    Provided they comply with our laws, why not? There is a bit of a
    concern about the likely cost, but you may think John Key will
    automatically lie and allow a nuclear armed or powered ship in. I
    understand why you may think so, but even Key is unlikely to want to
    do that when the truth is likely to be known anyway.

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Monday, May 30, 2016 01:09:39
    On Monday, 30 May 2016 18:06:44 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 16:06:41 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    Suck on this labour
    Green/Labour anti American Central Committees are going to have to eat a
    rat
    As 65% of labour /Green supporters want American warships to visit. >http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/05/another-poll-shows-elft-wing-still-touch/#more-252809

    Provided they comply with our laws, why not? There is a bit of a
    concern about the likely cost, but you may think John Key will
    automatically lie and allow a nuclear armed or powered ship in. I
    understand why you may think so, but even Key is unlikely to want to
    do that when the truth is likely to be known anyway.

    Dickbot, you really do like putting words in peoples' mouths, don't you? It doesn't make you look clever. It just makes you look like a dishonest little shit.

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  • From george152@3:770/3 to JohnO on Tuesday, May 31, 2016 07:15:42
    On 5/30/2016 8:09 PM, JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 30 May 2016 18:06:44 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 16:06:41 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    Suck on this labour
    Green/Labour anti American Central Committees are going to have to eat a rat
    As 65% of labour /Green supporters want American warships to visit.
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/05/another-poll-shows-elft-wing-still-touch/#more-252809

    Provided they comply with our laws, why not? There is a bit of a
    concern about the likely cost, but you may think John Key will
    automatically lie and allow a nuclear armed or powered ship in. I
    understand why you may think so, but even Key is unlikely to want to
    do that when the truth is likely to be known anyway.

    Dickbot, you really do like putting words in peoples' mouths, don't you? It
    doesn't make you look clever. It just makes you look like a dishonest little shit.

    Poor little man. He doesn't realise that the USN nuclear powered ships
    are known and those armed with nukes can be pretty well worked out.
    We allow Chinese warships in, no-one asks them if they're nuclear armed..
    Looks like another Liebor get Key

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, May 31, 2016 08:14:21
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 12:42:37 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 07:15:42 UTC+12, george wrote:
    On 5/30/2016 8:09 PM, JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 30 May 2016 18:06:44 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 16:06:41 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    Suck on this labour
    Green/Labour anti American Central Committees are going to have to eat a
    rat
    As 65% of labour /Green supporters want American warships to visit.
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/05/another-poll-shows-elft-wing-still-touch/#more-252809

    Provided they comply with our laws, why not? There is a bit of a
    concern about the likely cost, but you may think John Key will
    automatically lie and allow a nuclear armed or powered ship in. I
    understand why you may think so, but even Key is unlikely to want to
    do that when the truth is likely to be known anyway.

    Dickbot, you really do like putting words in peoples' mouths, don't you? It doesn't make you look clever. It just makes you look like a dishonest little
    shit.

    Poor little man. He doesn't realise that the USN nuclear powered ships
    are known and those armed with nukes can be pretty well worked out.
    We allow Chinese warships in, no-one asks them if they're nuclear armed..
    Looks like another Liebor get Key

    The unoffical fact of the matter is that US Navy surface ships don't carry nuke weapons.

    Which is why it would be silly for Key or National to lie about
    admitting a nuclear-powered or armed ship in - "right", JohnO?

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to george on Monday, May 30, 2016 12:42:37
    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 07:15:42 UTC+12, george wrote:
    On 5/30/2016 8:09 PM, JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 30 May 2016 18:06:44 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 16:06:41 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    Suck on this labour
    Green/Labour anti American Central Committees are going to have to eat a
    rat
    As 65% of labour /Green supporters want American warships to visit.
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/05/another-poll-shows-elft-wing-still-touch/#more-252809

    Provided they comply with our laws, why not? There is a bit of a
    concern about the likely cost, but you may think John Key will
    automatically lie and allow a nuclear armed or powered ship in. I
    understand why you may think so, but even Key is unlikely to want to
    do that when the truth is likely to be known anyway.

    Dickbot, you really do like putting words in peoples' mouths, don't you? It
    doesn't make you look clever. It just makes you look like a dishonest little shit.

    Poor little man. He doesn't realise that the USN nuclear powered ships
    are known and those armed with nukes can be pretty well worked out.
    We allow Chinese warships in, no-one asks them if they're nuclear armed.. Looks like another Liebor get Key

    The unoffical fact of the matter is that US Navy surface ships don't carry nuke
    weapons.

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to gblack@hnpl.net on Tuesday, May 31, 2016 08:12:59
    On Tue, 31 May 2016 07:15:42 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

    On 5/30/2016 8:09 PM, JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 30 May 2016 18:06:44 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 16:06:41 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    Suck on this labour
    Green/Labour anti American Central Committees are going to have to eat a rat
    As 65% of labour /Green supporters want American warships to visit.
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/05/another-poll-shows-elft-wing-still-touch/#more-252809

    Provided they comply with our laws, why not? There is a bit of a
    concern about the likely cost, but you may think John Key will
    automatically lie and allow a nuclear armed or powered ship in. I
    understand why you may think so, but even Key is unlikely to want to
    do that when the truth is likely to be known anyway.

    Dickbot, you really do like putting words in peoples' mouths, don't you? It doesn't make you look clever. It just makes you look like a dishonest little shit.

    Poor little man. He doesn't realise that the USN nuclear powered ships
    are known and those armed with nukes can be pretty well worked out.
    We allow Chinese warships in, no-one asks them if they're nuclear armed.. >Looks like another Liebor get Key

    What are you trying to say, george? Your nasty mis-spelling of Labour
    implies that someone in Labour has lied - if so, what was that lie?

    Has a nuclear powered Chinese ship visited New Zealand? If so, when?

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  • From george152@3:770/3 to JohnO on Tuesday, May 31, 2016 08:32:40
    On 5/31/2016 7:42 AM, JohnO wrote:
    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 07:15:42 UTC+12, george wrote:
    On 5/30/2016 8:09 PM, JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 30 May 2016 18:06:44 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 16:06:41 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    Suck on this labour
    Green/Labour anti American Central Committees are going to have to eat a rat
    As 65% of labour /Green supporters want American warships to visit.
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/05/another-poll-shows-elft-wing-still-touch/#more-252809

    Provided they comply with our laws, why not? There is a bit of a
    concern about the likely cost, but you may think John Key will
    automatically lie and allow a nuclear armed or powered ship in. I
    understand why you may think so, but even Key is unlikely to want to
    do that when the truth is likely to be known anyway.

    Dickbot, you really do like putting words in peoples' mouths, don't you? It
    doesn't make you look clever. It just makes you look like a dishonest little shit.

    Poor little man. He doesn't realise that the USN nuclear powered ships
    are known and those armed with nukes can be pretty well worked out.
    We allow Chinese warships in, no-one asks them if they're nuclear armed..
    Looks like another Liebor get Key

    The unoffical fact of the matter is that US Navy surface ships don't carry
    nuke weapons.


    Those ratings who are Nuke qualified have to be on a vessel before they
    load the ordinance.
    As an aside if they really wanted to a nuke sub could pop up alongside
    Philly and only Pussers would be aware of it :)

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  • From Liberty@3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Tuesday, May 31, 2016 09:26:57
    On Tue, 31 May 2016 08:12:59 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 31 May 2016 07:15:42 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:



    Poor little man. He doesn't realise that the USN nuclear powered ships
    are known and those armed with nukes can be pretty well worked out.
    We allow Chinese warships in, no-one asks them if they're nuclear armed.. >>Looks like another Liebor get Key

    What are you trying to say, george? Your nasty mis-spelling of Labour
    implies that someone in Labour has lied - if so, what was that lie?

    Where do you start?


    Has a nuclear powered Chinese ship visited New Zealand? If so, when?

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Monday, May 30, 2016 14:21:24
    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 08:14:24 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 12:42:37 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 07:15:42 UTC+12, george wrote:
    On 5/30/2016 8:09 PM, JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 30 May 2016 18:06:44 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 16:06:41 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    Suck on this labour
    Green/Labour anti American Central Committees are going to have to eat
    a rat
    As 65% of labour /Green supporters want American warships to visit.
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/05/another-poll-shows-elft-wing-still-touch/#more-252809

    Provided they comply with our laws, why not? There is a bit of a
    concern about the likely cost, but you may think John Key will
    automatically lie and allow a nuclear armed or powered ship in. I
    understand why you may think so, but even Key is unlikely to want to
    do that when the truth is likely to be known anyway.

    Dickbot, you really do like putting words in peoples' mouths, don't you?
    It doesn't make you look clever. It just makes you look like a dishonest little
    shit.

    Poor little man. He doesn't realise that the USN nuclear powered ships
    are known and those armed with nukes can be pretty well worked out.
    We allow Chinese warships in, no-one asks them if they're nuclear armed.. >> Looks like another Liebor get Key

    The unoffical fact of the matter is that US Navy surface ships don't carry
    nuke weapons.

    Which is why it would be silly for Key or National to lie about
    admitting a nuclear-powered or armed ship in - "right", JohnO?

    What are you talking about? It is plainly obvious if the ship is nuclear powered and it won't be nuclear armed so why would Key have lie? Answer: he won't and it's just your KDS rearing its head again.

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  • From Liberty@3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Tuesday, May 31, 2016 09:44:10
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 18:06:40 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 30 May 2016 16:06:41 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    Suck on this labour
    Green/Labour anti American Central Committees are going to have to eat a rat >>As 65% of labour /Green supporters want American warships to visit. >>http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/05/another-poll-shows-elft-wing-still-touch/#more-252809

    Provided they comply with our laws, why not? There is a bit of a
    concern about the likely cost, but you may think John Key will
    automatically lie and allow a nuclear armed or powered ship in. I
    understand why you may think so, but even Key is unlikely to want to
    do that when the truth is likely to be known anyway.

    As you should be fully aware. American surface ships don't carry nuclear arms. So you are talking shit as usual.
    If labour hadn't pissed of our friends in the 1980s to the extent. Our navy
    Has been blacklisted for years.
    Some right seedy countries have had more contact.
    Don't forget labour reneged on the f16 deal.
    Because labour had pissed of our friends. The skyhawks
    couldn't be sold.
    Don't forget Goff bullshit lie just before and election he had sold the skyhawks.
    Then labour have always been anti American.

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, May 31, 2016 11:34:51
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 14:21:24 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 08:14:24 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 12:42:37 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 07:15:42 UTC+12, george wrote:
    On 5/30/2016 8:09 PM, JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 30 May 2016 18:06:44 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 16:06:41 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    Suck on this labour
    Green/Labour anti American Central Committees are going to have to eat a rat
    As 65% of labour /Green supporters want American warships to visit. >> >> >>> http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/05/another-poll-shows-elft-wing-still-touch/#more-252809

    Provided they comply with our laws, why not? There is a bit of a
    concern about the likely cost, but you may think John Key will
    automatically lie and allow a nuclear armed or powered ship in. I
    understand why you may think so, but even Key is unlikely to want to >> >> >> do that when the truth is likely to be known anyway.

    Dickbot, you really do like putting words in peoples' mouths, don't you? It doesn't make you look clever. It just makes you look like a dishonest little shit.

    Poor little man. He doesn't realise that the USN nuclear powered ships
    are known and those armed with nukes can be pretty well worked out.
    We allow Chinese warships in, no-one asks them if they're nuclear armed.. >> >> Looks like another Liebor get Key

    The unoffical fact of the matter is that US Navy surface ships don't carry nuke weapons.

    Which is why it would be silly for Key or National to lie about
    admitting a nuclear-powered or armed ship in - "right", JohnO?

    What are you talking about? It is plainly obvious if the ship is nuclear powered and it won't be nuclear armed so why would Key have lie? Answer: he won't and it's just your KDS rearing its head again.
    Of course Key wil not lie - some of the deranged may think that he
    will let a nuclear ship in and pretend it isn;t, but even Key is
    unlikely to do that when the truth is likely to be known. You are
    automatically defending Key when on this occasion it is not necessary.
    So as I said, provided the law is upheld, there is not really a
    problem with a ship visit.

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, May 31, 2016 11:36:56
    On Tue, 31 May 2016 09:26:57 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 31 May 2016 08:12:59 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 31 May 2016 07:15:42 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:



    Poor little man. He doesn't realise that the USN nuclear powered ships >>>are known and those armed with nukes can be pretty well worked out.
    We allow Chinese warships in, no-one asks them if they're nuclear armed.. >>>Looks like another Liebor get Key

    What are you trying to say, george? Your nasty mis-spelling of Labour >>implies that someone in Labour has lied - if so, what was that lie?

    Where do you start?
    Apparently you cannot - difficult of course when there is no lie - the
    lies are with National so george's unwarranted slur is just a
    defensive mechanism



    Has a nuclear powered Chinese ship visited New Zealand? If so, when?
    No answer from you to this one Liberty? I suspect george has no answer
    either.

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Monday, May 30, 2016 17:12:54
    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 11:34:54 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 14:21:24 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 08:14:24 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 12:42:37 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 07:15:42 UTC+12, george wrote:
    On 5/30/2016 8:09 PM, JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 30 May 2016 18:06:44 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 16:06:41 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    Suck on this labour
    Green/Labour anti American Central Committees are going to have to
    eat a rat
    As 65% of labour /Green supporters want American warships to visit. >> >> >>> http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/05/another-poll-shows-elft-wing-still-touch/#more-252809

    Provided they comply with our laws, why not? There is a bit of a
    concern about the likely cost, but you may think John Key will
    automatically lie and allow a nuclear armed or powered ship in. I
    understand why you may think so, but even Key is unlikely to want to >> >> >> do that when the truth is likely to be known anyway.

    Dickbot, you really do like putting words in peoples' mouths, don't
    you? It doesn't make you look clever. It just makes you look like a dishonest little shit.

    Poor little man. He doesn't realise that the USN nuclear powered ships >> >> are known and those armed with nukes can be pretty well worked out.
    We allow Chinese warships in, no-one asks them if they're nuclear
    armed..
    Looks like another Liebor get Key

    The unoffical fact of the matter is that US Navy surface ships don't
    carry nuke weapons.

    Which is why it would be silly for Key or National to lie about
    admitting a nuclear-powered or armed ship in - "right", JohnO?

    What are you talking about? It is plainly obvious if the ship is nuclear
    powered and it won't be nuclear armed so why would Key have lie? Answer: he won't and it's just your KDS rearing its head again.
    Of course Key wil not lie - some of the deranged may think that he
    will let a nuclear ship in and pretend it isn;t, but even Key is
    unlikely to do that when the truth is likely to be known. You are automatically defending Key when on this occasion it is not necessary.
    So as I said, provided the law is upheld, there is not really a
    problem with a ship visit.

    Then why did you have to raise the spectre of Key lying about the ship visits? As I said, the answer is simply your KDS dementia and compulsion to smear anyone to the right of Marx.

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, May 31, 2016 15:56:01
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 17:12:54 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 11:34:54 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 14:21:24 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 08:14:24 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 12:42:37 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 07:15:42 UTC+12, george wrote:
    On 5/30/2016 8:09 PM, JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 30 May 2016 18:06:44 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 16:06:41 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    Suck on this labour
    Green/Labour anti American Central Committees are going to have to
    eat a rat
    As 65% of labour /Green supporters want American warships to visit.
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/05/another-poll-shows-elft-wing-still-touch/#more-252809

    Provided they comply with our laws, why not? There is a bit of a
    concern about the likely cost, but you may think John Key will
    automatically lie and allow a nuclear armed or powered ship in. I >> >> >> >> understand why you may think so, but even Key is unlikely to want to
    do that when the truth is likely to be known anyway.

    Dickbot, you really do like putting words in peoples' mouths, don't you? It doesn't make you look clever. It just makes you look like a dishonest little shit.

    Poor little man. He doesn't realise that the USN nuclear powered ships >> >> >> are known and those armed with nukes can be pretty well worked out.
    We allow Chinese warships in, no-one asks them if they're nuclear armed..
    Looks like another Liebor get Key

    The unoffical fact of the matter is that US Navy surface ships don't carry nuke weapons.

    Which is why it would be silly for Key or National to lie about
    admitting a nuclear-powered or armed ship in - "right", JohnO?

    What are you talking about? It is plainly obvious if the ship is nuclear powered and it won't be nuclear armed so why would Key have lie? Answer: he won't and it's just your KDS rearing its head again.
    Of course Key wil not lie - some of the deranged may think that he
    will let a nuclear ship in and pretend it isn;t, but even Key is
    unlikely to do that when the truth is likely to be known. You are
    automatically defending Key when on this occasion it is not necessary.
    So as I said, provided the law is upheld, there is not really a
    problem with a ship visit.

    Then why did you have to raise the spectre of Key lying about the ship visits?
    As I said, the answer is simply your KDS dementia and compulsion to smear anyone to the right of Marx.

    Because the whole story is a non-issue - a beat up about Labour as a distraction from Key and Nationals lies and poor performance. Unless
    you believe that Key would lie, there never was a problem with a ship
    visit - it was always up to the United States to be prepared to
    confirm that ships are non-nuclear, and for the Prime Minister to ask
    - and not lie about the result. So we get back to the concern by many
    that NAtional will create a problem for themselves by lying. While
    that is certainly true in respect of other issues such as Auckland
    housing, I do no believe even Key will deliberately plan to lie on an
    issue where he could be fairly certain of being caught.

    So why did you think the visit was an issue in the first place, JohnO?

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Monday, May 30, 2016 21:36:02
    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 15:56:05 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 17:12:54 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 11:34:54 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 14:21:24 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 08:14:24 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 12:42:37 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >> >> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 07:15:42 UTC+12, george wrote:
    On 5/30/2016 8:09 PM, JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 30 May 2016 18:06:44 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 16:06:41 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com> >> >> >> >> wrote:

    Suck on this labour
    Green/Labour anti American Central Committees are going to have
    to eat a rat
    As 65% of labour /Green supporters want American warships to
    visit.
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/05/another-poll-shows-elft-wing-still-touch/#more-252809

    Provided they comply with our laws, why not? There is a bit of a >> >> >> >> concern about the likely cost, but you may think John Key will
    automatically lie and allow a nuclear armed or powered ship in. I >> >> >> >> understand why you may think so, but even Key is unlikely to want
    to
    do that when the truth is likely to be known anyway.

    Dickbot, you really do like putting words in peoples' mouths,
    don't you? It doesn't make you look clever. It just makes you look like a dishonest little shit.

    Poor little man. He doesn't realise that the USN nuclear powered
    ships
    are known and those armed with nukes can be pretty well worked out. >> >> >> We allow Chinese warships in, no-one asks them if they're nuclear
    armed..
    Looks like another Liebor get Key

    The unoffical fact of the matter is that US Navy surface ships don't
    carry nuke weapons.

    Which is why it would be silly for Key or National to lie about
    admitting a nuclear-powered or armed ship in - "right", JohnO?

    What are you talking about? It is plainly obvious if the ship is nuclear
    powered and it won't be nuclear armed so why would Key have lie? Answer: he won't and it's just your KDS rearing its head again.
    Of course Key wil not lie - some of the deranged may think that he
    will let a nuclear ship in and pretend it isn;t, but even Key is
    unlikely to do that when the truth is likely to be known. You are
    automatically defending Key when on this occasion it is not necessary.
    So as I said, provided the law is upheld, there is not really a
    problem with a ship visit.

    Then why did you have to raise the spectre of Key lying about the ship
    visits? As I said, the answer is simply your KDS dementia and compulsion to smear anyone to the right of Marx.

    Because the whole story is a non-issue - a beat up about Labour as a distraction from Key and Nationals lies and poor performance. Unless
    you believe that Key would lie, there never was a problem with a ship
    visit - it was always up to the United States to be prepared to
    confirm that ships are non-nuclear, and for the Prime Minister to ask
    - and not lie about the result. So we get back to the concern by many
    that NAtional will create a problem for themselves by lying. While

    "Concern by many"? You and your handful of deluded mates are not "many".

    that is certainly true in respect of other issues such as Auckland
    housing, I do no believe even Key will deliberately plan to lie on an
    issue where he could be fairly certain of being caught.

    So why did you think the visit was an issue in the first place, JohnO?

    I never said it was. Stop putting words in peoples' mouths you lying little shit.

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, May 31, 2016 17:05:49
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 21:36:02 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 15:56:05 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 17:12:54 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 11:34:54 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 14:21:24 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 08:14:24 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 12:42:37 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >> >> >> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 07:15:42 UTC+12, george wrote:
    On 5/30/2016 8:09 PM, JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 30 May 2016 18:06:44 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 16:06:41 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com> >> >> >> >> >> wrote:

    Suck on this labour
    Green/Labour anti American Central Committees are going to have
    to eat a rat
    As 65% of labour /Green supporters want American warships to visit.
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/05/another-poll-shows-elft-wing-still-touch/#more-252809

    Provided they comply with our laws, why not? There is a bit of a >> >> >> >> >> concern about the likely cost, but you may think John Key will >> >> >> >> >> automatically lie and allow a nuclear armed or powered ship in. I
    understand why you may think so, but even Key is unlikely to want to
    do that when the truth is likely to be known anyway.

    Dickbot, you really do like putting words in peoples' mouths, don't you? It doesn't make you look clever. It just makes you look like a dishonest little shit.

    Poor little man. He doesn't realise that the USN nuclear powered ships
    are known and those armed with nukes can be pretty well worked out. >> >> >> >> We allow Chinese warships in, no-one asks them if they're nuclear armed..
    Looks like another Liebor get Key

    The unoffical fact of the matter is that US Navy surface ships don't carry nuke weapons.

    Which is why it would be silly for Key or National to lie about
    admitting a nuclear-powered or armed ship in - "right", JohnO?

    What are you talking about? It is plainly obvious if the ship is nuclear
    powered and it won't be nuclear armed so why would Key have lie? Answer: he won't and it's just your KDS rearing its head again.
    Of course Key wil not lie - some of the deranged may think that he
    will let a nuclear ship in and pretend it isn;t, but even Key is
    unlikely to do that when the truth is likely to be known. You are
    automatically defending Key when on this occasion it is not necessary.
    So as I said, provided the law is upheld, there is not really a
    problem with a ship visit.

    Then why did you have to raise the spectre of Key lying about the ship visits? As I said, the answer is simply your KDS dementia and compulsion to smear anyone to the right of Marx.

    Because the whole story is a non-issue - a beat up about Labour as a
    distraction from Key and Nationals lies and poor performance. Unless
    you believe that Key would lie, there never was a problem with a ship
    visit - it was always up to the United States to be prepared to
    confirm that ships are non-nuclear, and for the Prime Minister to ask
    - and not lie about the result. So we get back to the concern by many
    that NAtional will create a problem for themselves by lying. While

    "Concern by many"? You and your handful of deluded mates are not "many".

    that is certainly true in respect of other issues such as Auckland
    housing, I do no believe even Key will deliberately plan to lie on an
    issue where he could be fairly certain of being caught.

    So why did you think the visit was an issue in the first place, JohnO?

    I never said it was. Stop putting words in peoples' mouths you lying little shit.
    Indeed, but you didn't exactly object to Liberty saynig it was. I
    didn't say you did of course, I just asked you why you think the visit
    was an issue in the first place. Do you think it was never an issue?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Monday, May 30, 2016 23:06:14
    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 17:05:51 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 21:36:02 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 15:56:05 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 17:12:54 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 11:34:54 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 14:21:24 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >> >> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 08:14:24 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 12:42:37 -0700 (PDT), JohnO
    <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 07:15:42 UTC+12, george wrote:
    On 5/30/2016 8:09 PM, JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 30 May 2016 18:06:44 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 16:06:41 +1200, Liberty
    <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    Suck on this labour
    Green/Labour anti American Central Committees are going to
    have to eat a rat
    As 65% of labour /Green supporters want American warships to
    visit.
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/05/another-poll-shows-elft-wing-still-touch/#more-252809

    Provided they comply with our laws, why not? There is a bit of
    a
    concern about the likely cost, but you may think John Key will >> >> >> >> >> automatically lie and allow a nuclear armed or powered ship
    in. I
    understand why you may think so, but even Key is unlikely to
    want to
    do that when the truth is likely to be known anyway.

    Dickbot, you really do like putting words in peoples' mouths,
    don't you? It doesn't make you look clever. It just makes you look like a dishonest little shit.

    Poor little man. He doesn't realise that the USN nuclear powered
    ships
    are known and those armed with nukes can be pretty well worked
    out.
    We allow Chinese warships in, no-one asks them if they're nuclear
    armed..
    Looks like another Liebor get Key

    The unoffical fact of the matter is that US Navy surface ships
    don't carry nuke weapons.

    Which is why it would be silly for Key or National to lie about
    admitting a nuclear-powered or armed ship in - "right", JohnO?

    What are you talking about? It is plainly obvious if the ship is
    nuclear powered and it won't be nuclear armed so why would Key have lie? Answer: he won't and it's just your KDS rearing its head again.
    Of course Key wil not lie - some of the deranged may think that he
    will let a nuclear ship in and pretend it isn;t, but even Key is
    unlikely to do that when the truth is likely to be known. You are
    automatically defending Key when on this occasion it is not necessary. >> >> So as I said, provided the law is upheld, there is not really a
    problem with a ship visit.

    Then why did you have to raise the spectre of Key lying about the ship
    visits? As I said, the answer is simply your KDS dementia and compulsion to smear anyone to the right of Marx.

    Because the whole story is a non-issue - a beat up about Labour as a
    distraction from Key and Nationals lies and poor performance. Unless
    you believe that Key would lie, there never was a problem with a ship
    visit - it was always up to the United States to be prepared to
    confirm that ships are non-nuclear, and for the Prime Minister to ask
    - and not lie about the result. So we get back to the concern by many
    that NAtional will create a problem for themselves by lying. While

    "Concern by many"? You and your handful of deluded mates are not "many".

    that is certainly true in respect of other issues such as Auckland
    housing, I do no believe even Key will deliberately plan to lie on an
    issue where he could be fairly certain of being caught.

    So why did you think the visit was an issue in the first place, JohnO?

    I never said it was. Stop putting words in peoples' mouths you lying little
    shit.
    Indeed, but you didn't exactly object to Liberty saynig it was.

    What I object to is you putting words in peoples' mouths.

    I
    didn't say you did of course, I just asked you why you think the visit
    was an issue in the first place.

    And you also took the opportunity to smear Key.

    Do you think it was never an issue?

    Irrelevant.

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, May 31, 2016 18:29:43
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 23:06:14 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 17:05:51 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 21:36:02 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 15:56:05 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 17:12:54 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 11:34:54 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 14:21:24 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >> >> >> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 08:14:24 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 12:42:37 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 07:15:42 UTC+12, george wrote:
    On 5/30/2016 8:09 PM, JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 30 May 2016 18:06:44 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 16:06:41 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    Suck on this labour
    Green/Labour anti American Central Committees are going to have to eat a rat
    As 65% of labour /Green supporters want American warships to
    visit.
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/05/another-poll-shows-elft-wing-still-touch/#more-252809

    Provided they comply with our laws, why not? There is a bit of a
    concern about the likely cost, but you may think John Key will
    automatically lie and allow a nuclear armed or powered ship in. I
    understand why you may think so, but even Key is unlikely to want to
    do that when the truth is likely to be known anyway.

    Dickbot, you really do like putting words in peoples' mouths, don't you? It doesn't make you look clever. It just makes you look like a dishonest little shit.

    Poor little man. He doesn't realise that the USN nuclear powered
    ships
    are known and those armed with nukes can be pretty well worked out.
    We allow Chinese warships in, no-one asks them if they're nuclear armed..
    Looks like another Liebor get Key

    The unoffical fact of the matter is that US Navy surface ships don't carry nuke weapons.

    Which is why it would be silly for Key or National to lie about
    admitting a nuclear-powered or armed ship in - "right", JohnO?

    What are you talking about? It is plainly obvious if the ship is nuclear powered and it won't be nuclear armed so why would Key have lie? Answer: he won't and it's just your KDS rearing its head again.
    Of course Key wil not lie - some of the deranged may think that he
    will let a nuclear ship in and pretend it isn;t, but even Key is
    unlikely to do that when the truth is likely to be known. You are
    automatically defending Key when on this occasion it is not necessary. >> >> >> So as I said, provided the law is upheld, there is not really a
    problem with a ship visit.

    Then why did you have to raise the spectre of Key lying about the ship visits? As I said, the answer is simply your KDS dementia and compulsion to smear anyone to the right of Marx.

    Because the whole story is a non-issue - a beat up about Labour as a
    distraction from Key and Nationals lies and poor performance. Unless
    you believe that Key would lie, there never was a problem with a ship
    visit - it was always up to the United States to be prepared to
    confirm that ships are non-nuclear, and for the Prime Minister to ask
    - and not lie about the result. So we get back to the concern by many
    that NAtional will create a problem for themselves by lying. While

    "Concern by many"? You and your handful of deluded mates are not "many".

    that is certainly true in respect of other issues such as Auckland
    housing, I do no believe even Key will deliberately plan to lie on an
    issue where he could be fairly certain of being caught.

    So why did you think the visit was an issue in the first place, JohnO?

    I never said it was. Stop putting words in peoples' mouths you lying little
    shit.
    Indeed, but you didn't exactly object to Liberty saynig it was.

    What I object to is you putting words in peoples' mouths.
    So what words did I put in anyones mouth in this thread?


    I
    didn't say you did of course, I just asked you why you think the visit
    was an issue in the first place.

    And you also took the opportunity to smear Key.
    By saying that I didn't think he would lie on this issue? That is
    hardly a smear.

    Do you think it was never an issue?

    Irrelevant.
    Look at the Subject of the thread - clearly an implication that the
    survey had some relevance to Labour - someone thought it was an issue
    - do you?

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  • From Liberty@3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Tuesday, May 31, 2016 19:07:45
    On Tue, 31 May 2016 18:29:43 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:




    So why did you think the visit was an issue in the first place, JohnO? >>> >
    I never said it was. Stop putting words in peoples' mouths you lying little shit.
    Indeed, but you didn't exactly object to Liberty saynig it was.

    What I object to is you putting words in peoples' mouths.
    So what words did I put in anyones mouth in this thread?


    I
    didn't say you did of course, I just asked you why you think the visit
    was an issue in the first place.

    And you also took the opportunity to smear Key.
    By saying that I didn't think he would lie on this issue? That is
    hardly a smear.

    Do you think it was never an issue?

    Irrelevant.
    Look at the Subject of the thread - clearly an implication that the
    survey had some relevance to Labour - someone thought it was an issue
    - do you?

    but you may think lange,Moore,Clark
    automatically lied to keep nuclear armed or powered out.

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, May 31, 2016 19:57:55
    On Tue, 31 May 2016 19:07:45 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 31 May 2016 18:29:43 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:




    So why did you think the visit was an issue in the first place, JohnO? >>>> >
    I never said it was. Stop putting words in peoples' mouths you lying little shit.
    Indeed, but you didn't exactly object to Liberty saynig it was.

    What I object to is you putting words in peoples' mouths.
    So what words did I put in anyones mouth in this thread?


    I
    didn't say you did of course, I just asked you why you think the visit >>>> was an issue in the first place.

    And you also took the opportunity to smear Key.
    By saying that I didn't think he would lie on this issue? That is
    hardly a smear.

    Do you think it was never an issue?

    Irrelevant.
    Look at the Subject of the thread - clearly an implication that the
    survey had some relevance to Labour - someone thought it was an issue
    - do you?

    but you may think lange,Moore,Clark
    automatically lied to keep nuclear armed or powered out.

    As it happens I don't, but then they are politicians from years ago,
    who were not accused of lying then and have not been now.

    If Key is not going to lie about the ships complying with NZ Law, then
    there is no issue with them coming in - and nothing for Labour to
    "suck on" to use your expression.

    Since you posted the initial post in this thread, and decided on the
    Subject, perhaps you can explain what you were meaning - there doesn't
    seem to be anything to "suck on" unless you believe Key will lie . . .

    It may help you to look at these two articles: http://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/us-will-refuse-to-confirm-or-deny-if-nukes-on-ship-visiting-nz-2016053010#axzz4A81ELb2z
    and
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11647541
    in which Key says that he will not enquire about how public servants
    form their advice, and he will rely on that alone.

    Of course Key has a history of both lying and of being deliberately
    obscure, seeming to say one thing while being able to later claim that
    he did not say what most people heard - his slipperiness is well
    known.

    The reality is that, in my view, there is nothing that Labour should
    be concerned about - do you agree? Whether NAtional should be
    concerned is another matter entirely . . .

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  • From Fred@3:770/3 to JohnO on Tuesday, May 31, 2016 20:00:24
    On 30/05/2016 8:09 p.m., JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 30 May 2016 18:06:44 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 16:06:41 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    Suck on this labour
    Green/Labour anti American Central Committees are going to have to eat a rat
    As 65% of labour /Green supporters want American warships to visit.
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/05/another-poll-shows-elft-wing-still-touch/#more-252809

    Provided they comply with our laws, why not? There is a bit of a
    concern about the likely cost, but you may think John Key will
    automatically lie and allow a nuclear armed or powered ship in. I
    understand why you may think so, but even Key is unlikely to want to
    do that when the truth is likely to be known anyway.

    Dickbot, you really do like putting words in peoples' mouths, don't you? It
    doesn't make you look clever. It just makes you look like a dishonest little shit.

    More like a despicable little cunt.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, May 31, 2016 01:34:16
    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 18:29:48 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 23:06:14 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 17:05:51 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 21:36:02 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 15:56:05 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 17:12:54 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >> >> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 11:34:54 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 14:21:24 -0700 (PDT), JohnO
    <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 08:14:24 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 12:42:37 -0700 (PDT), JohnO
    <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 07:15:42 UTC+12, george wrote:
    On 5/30/2016 8:09 PM, JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 30 May 2016 18:06:44 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 16:06:41 +1200, Liberty
    <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    Suck on this labour
    Green/Labour anti American Central Committees are going to
    have to eat a rat
    As 65% of labour /Green supporters want American warships
    to visit.
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/05/another-poll-shows-elft-wing-still-touch/#more-252809

    Provided they comply with our laws, why not? There is a bit
    of a
    concern about the likely cost, but you may think John Key
    will
    automatically lie and allow a nuclear armed or powered ship
    in. I
    understand why you may think so, but even Key is unlikely
    to want to
    do that when the truth is likely to be known anyway.

    Dickbot, you really do like putting words in peoples'
    mouths, don't you? It doesn't make you look clever. It just makes you look like
    a dishonest little shit.

    Poor little man. He doesn't realise that the USN nuclear
    powered ships
    are known and those armed with nukes can be pretty well worked
    out.
    We allow Chinese warships in, no-one asks them if they're
    nuclear armed..
    Looks like another Liebor get Key

    The unoffical fact of the matter is that US Navy surface ships
    don't carry nuke weapons.

    Which is why it would be silly for Key or National to lie about >> >> >> >> admitting a nuclear-powered or armed ship in - "right", JohnO?

    What are you talking about? It is plainly obvious if the ship is
    nuclear powered and it won't be nuclear armed so why would Key have lie? Answer: he won't and it's just your KDS rearing its head again.
    Of course Key wil not lie - some of the deranged may think that he >> >> >> will let a nuclear ship in and pretend it isn;t, but even Key is
    unlikely to do that when the truth is likely to be known. You are
    automatically defending Key when on this occasion it is not
    necessary.
    So as I said, provided the law is upheld, there is not really a
    problem with a ship visit.

    Then why did you have to raise the spectre of Key lying about the ship
    visits? As I said, the answer is simply your KDS dementia and compulsion to smear anyone to the right of Marx.

    Because the whole story is a non-issue - a beat up about Labour as a
    distraction from Key and Nationals lies and poor performance. Unless
    you believe that Key would lie, there never was a problem with a ship >> >> visit - it was always up to the United States to be prepared to
    confirm that ships are non-nuclear, and for the Prime Minister to ask >> >> - and not lie about the result. So we get back to the concern by many >> >> that NAtional will create a problem for themselves by lying. While

    "Concern by many"? You and your handful of deluded mates are not "many". >> >
    that is certainly true in respect of other issues such as Auckland
    housing, I do no believe even Key will deliberately plan to lie on an >> >> issue where he could be fairly certain of being caught.

    So why did you think the visit was an issue in the first place, JohnO? >> >
    I never said it was. Stop putting words in peoples' mouths you lying
    little shit.
    Indeed, but you didn't exactly object to Liberty saynig it was.

    What I object to is you putting words in peoples' mouths.
    So what words did I put in anyones mouth in this thread?


    You wrote this, Dumbo:

    "So why did you think the visit was an issue in the first place, JohnO?"


    I
    didn't say you did of course, I just asked you why you think the visit
    was an issue in the first place.

    And you also took the opportunity to smear Key.
    By saying that I didn't think he would lie on this issue? That is
    hardly a smear.

    Do you think it was never an issue?

    Irrelevant.
    Look at the Subject of the thread - clearly an implication that the
    survey had some relevance to Labour - someone thought it was an issue
    - do you?

    It's not my thread or title you irredeemably thick fool.

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, May 31, 2016 21:44:23
    On Tue, 31 May 2016 01:34:16 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 18:29:48 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 23:06:14 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 17:05:51 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 21:36:02 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 15:56:05 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 17:12:54 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >> >> >> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 11:34:54 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 14:21:24 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 08:14:24 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 12:42:37 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 07:15:42 UTC+12, george wrote:
    On 5/30/2016 8:09 PM, JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 30 May 2016 18:06:44 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 30 May 2016 16:06:41 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    Suck on this labour
    Green/Labour anti American Central Committees are going to have to eat a rat
    As 65% of labour /Green supporters want American warships
    to visit.
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/05/another-poll-shows-elft-wing-still-touch/#more-252809

    Provided they comply with our laws, why not? There is a bit of a
    concern about the likely cost, but you may think John Key will
    automatically lie and allow a nuclear armed or powered ship in. I
    understand why you may think so, but even Key is unlikely to want to
    do that when the truth is likely to be known anyway.

    Dickbot, you really do like putting words in peoples' mouths, don't you? It doesn't make you look clever. It just makes you look like
    a dishonest little shit.

    Poor little man. He doesn't realise that the USN nuclear powered ships
    are known and those armed with nukes can be pretty well worked out.
    We allow Chinese warships in, no-one asks them if they're nuclear armed..
    Looks like another Liebor get Key

    The unoffical fact of the matter is that US Navy surface ships don't carry nuke weapons.

    Which is why it would be silly for Key or National to lie about >> >> >> >> >> admitting a nuclear-powered or armed ship in - "right", JohnO? >> >> >> >> >
    What are you talking about? It is plainly obvious if the ship is nuclear powered and it won't be nuclear armed so why would Key have lie? Answer: he won't and it's just your KDS rearing its head again.
    Of course Key wil not lie - some of the deranged may think that he >> >> >> >> will let a nuclear ship in and pretend it isn;t, but even Key is
    unlikely to do that when the truth is likely to be known. You are >> >> >> >> automatically defending Key when on this occasion it is not necessary.
    So as I said, provided the law is upheld, there is not really a
    problem with a ship visit.

    Then why did you have to raise the spectre of Key lying about the ship visits? As I said, the answer is simply your KDS dementia and compulsion to smear anyone to the right of Marx.

    Because the whole story is a non-issue - a beat up about Labour as a >> >> >> distraction from Key and Nationals lies and poor performance. Unless >> >> >> you believe that Key would lie, there never was a problem with a ship >> >> >> visit - it was always up to the United States to be prepared to
    confirm that ships are non-nuclear, and for the Prime Minister to ask >> >> >> - and not lie about the result. So we get back to the concern by many >> >> >> that NAtional will create a problem for themselves by lying. While

    "Concern by many"? You and your handful of deluded mates are not "many". >> >> >
    that is certainly true in respect of other issues such as Auckland
    housing, I do no believe even Key will deliberately plan to lie on an >> >> >> issue where he could be fairly certain of being caught.

    So why did you think the visit was an issue in the first place, JohnO? >> >> >
    I never said it was. Stop putting words in peoples' mouths you lying little shit.
    Indeed, but you didn't exactly object to Liberty saynig it was.

    What I object to is you putting words in peoples' mouths.
    So what words did I put in anyones mouth in this thread?


    You wrote this, Dumbo:

    "So why did you think the visit was an issue in the first place, JohnO?"
    And it is still a legitimate question on the basis of your posts to
    this thread. Do you claim that it is not an issue?


    I
    didn't say you did of course, I just asked you why you think the visit
    was an issue in the first place.

    And you also took the opportunity to smear Key.
    By saying that I didn't think he would lie on this issue? That is
    hardly a smear.

    Do you think it was never an issue?

    Irrelevant.
    Look at the Subject of the thread - clearly an implication that the
    survey had some relevance to Labour - someone thought it was an issue
    - do you?

    It's not my thread or title you irredeemably thick fool.
    Of course it is - your contribution makes it yours, to at leastthe
    sameextent tht it is mone. You should learn to take personal
    responsibility for your own actions - when you say something in a
    thread that makes you part of the thread.

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, May 31, 2016 13:31:51
    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 21:44:25 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 31 May 2016 01:34:16 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 18:29:48 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 23:06:14 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 17:05:51 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 21:36:02 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >> >> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 15:56:05 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 17:12:54 -0700 (PDT), JohnO
    <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 11:34:54 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 14:21:24 -0700 (PDT), JohnO
    <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 08:14:24 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 12:42:37 -0700 (PDT), JohnO
    <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 07:15:42 UTC+12, george wrote:
    On 5/30/2016 8:09 PM, JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 30 May 2016 18:06:44 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 30 May 2016 16:06:41 +1200, Liberty
    <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    Suck on this labour
    Green/Labour anti American Central Committees are going
    to have to eat a rat
    As 65% of labour /Green supporters want American
    warships to visit.
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/05/another-poll-shows-elft-wing-still-touch/#more-252809

    Provided they comply with our laws, why not? There is a
    bit of a
    concern about the likely cost, but you may think John
    Key will
    automatically lie and allow a nuclear armed or powered
    ship in. I
    understand why you may think so, but even Key is
    unlikely to want to
    do that when the truth is likely to be known anyway.

    Dickbot, you really do like putting words in peoples'
    mouths, don't you? It doesn't make you look clever. It just makes you look like
    a dishonest little shit.

    Poor little man. He doesn't realise that the USN nuclear
    powered ships
    are known and those armed with nukes can be pretty well
    worked out.
    We allow Chinese warships in, no-one asks them if they're
    nuclear armed..
    Looks like another Liebor get Key

    The unoffical fact of the matter is that US Navy surface
    ships don't carry nuke weapons.

    Which is why it would be silly for Key or National to lie
    about
    admitting a nuclear-powered or armed ship in - "right", JohnO? >> >> >> >> >
    What are you talking about? It is plainly obvious if the ship is
    nuclear powered and it won't be nuclear armed so why would Key have lie? Answer: he won't and it's just your KDS rearing its head again.
    Of course Key wil not lie - some of the deranged may think that
    he
    will let a nuclear ship in and pretend it isn;t, but even Key is >> >> >> >> unlikely to do that when the truth is likely to be known. You are >> >> >> >> automatically defending Key when on this occasion it is not
    necessary.
    So as I said, provided the law is upheld, there is not really a >> >> >> >> problem with a ship visit.

    Then why did you have to raise the spectre of Key lying about the
    ship visits? As I said, the answer is simply your KDS dementia and compulsion to smear anyone to the right of Marx.

    Because the whole story is a non-issue - a beat up about Labour as a >> >> >> distraction from Key and Nationals lies and poor performance. Unless >> >> >> you believe that Key would lie, there never was a problem with a
    ship
    visit - it was always up to the United States to be prepared to
    confirm that ships are non-nuclear, and for the Prime Minister to
    ask
    - and not lie about the result. So we get back to the concern by
    many
    that NAtional will create a problem for themselves by lying. While >> >> >
    "Concern by many"? You and your handful of deluded mates are not
    "many".

    that is certainly true in respect of other issues such as Auckland >> >> >> housing, I do no believe even Key will deliberately plan to lie on
    an
    issue where he could be fairly certain of being caught.

    So why did you think the visit was an issue in the first place,
    JohnO?

    I never said it was. Stop putting words in peoples' mouths you lying
    little shit.
    Indeed, but you didn't exactly object to Liberty saynig it was.

    What I object to is you putting words in peoples' mouths.
    So what words did I put in anyones mouth in this thread?


    You wrote this, Dumbo:

    "So why did you think the visit was an issue in the first place, JohnO?"
    And it is still a legitimate question on the basis of your posts to
    this thread. Do you claim that it is not an issue?


    I
    didn't say you did of course, I just asked you why you think the visit >> >> was an issue in the first place.

    And you also took the opportunity to smear Key.
    By saying that I didn't think he would lie on this issue? That is
    hardly a smear.

    Do you think it was never an issue?

    Irrelevant.
    Look at the Subject of the thread - clearly an implication that the
    survey had some relevance to Labour - someone thought it was an issue
    - do you?

    It's not my thread or title you irredeemably thick fool.
    Of course it is - your contribution makes it yours, to at leastthe
    sameextent tht it is mone. You should learn to take personal
    responsibility for your own actions - when you say something in a
    thread that makes you part of the thread.

    And I entered the thread to give you a deserved kicking for putting words in people's mouths and to correct an error relating to the USN surface ships, not to comment on the visits issue.

    All the above should be obvious to all but the very stupid, i.e. you. Now do stop asking stupid questions and stop putting words in people's mouths.

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  • From Mutlley@3:770/3 to Liberty on Wednesday, June 01, 2016 12:15:39
    Liberty <liberty48@live.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 31 May 2016 19:57:55 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:




    Since you posted the initial post in this thread, and decided on the >>Subject, perhaps you can explain what you were meaning - there doesn't
    seem to be anything to "suck on" unless you believe Key will lie . . .

    It has nothing to do with Key.
    The Labour party have had hatred of American international policy
    For years. Climaxing in Lange telling America to Fuck off in the 1980s.
    It now appears grass roots labour (Thats is whats left of the party)wants American boats back.
    Will the current Party co leaders little,Shaw and Turei Come out and welcome >And American ship?


    Bet they will rush out and welcome a Russian or Chinese ship..

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  • From Liberty@3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Wednesday, June 01, 2016 11:32:17
    On Tue, 31 May 2016 19:57:55 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:




    Since you posted the initial post in this thread, and decided on the
    Subject, perhaps you can explain what you were meaning - there doesn't
    seem to be anything to "suck on" unless you believe Key will lie . . .

    It has nothing to do with Key.
    The Labour party have had hatred of American international policy
    For years. Climaxing in Lange telling America to Fuck off in the 1980s.
    It now appears grass roots labour (Thats is whats left of the party)wants American boats back.
    Will the current Party co leaders little,Shaw and Turei Come out and welcome And American ship?

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  • From george152@3:770/3 to Mutlley on Wednesday, June 01, 2016 12:45:04
    On 6/1/2016 12:15 PM, Mutlley wrote:
    Liberty <liberty48@live.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 31 May 2016 19:57:55 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>



    Since you posted the initial post in this thread, and decided on the
    Subject, perhaps you can explain what you were meaning - there doesn't
    seem to be anything to "suck on" unless you believe Key will lie . . .

    It has nothing to do with Key.
    The Labour party have had hatred of American international policy
    For years. Climaxing in Lange telling America to Fuck off in the 1980s.
    It now appears grass roots labour (Thats is whats left of the party)wants American boats back.
    Will the current Party co leaders little,Shaw and Turei Come out and welcome
    And American ship?


    Bet they will rush out and welcome a Russian or Chinese ship..


    They did.

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  • From Liberty@3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Wednesday, June 01, 2016 16:15:06
    On Wed, 01 Jun 2016 15:31:09 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 01 Jun 2016 11:32:17 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 31 May 2016 19:57:55 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>



    Since you posted the initial post in this thread, and decided on the >>>Subject, perhaps you can explain what you were meaning - there doesn't >>>seem to be anything to "suck on" unless you believe Key will lie . . .

    It has nothing to do with Key.
    The Labour party have had hatred of American international policy
    Really? They certainly have worked well with the United States in
    every area except that of nuclear weapons. Can you give a cite?



    For years. Climaxing in Lange telling America to Fuck off in the 1980s.

    So you are talking about pre-1980
    no I didn't say Pre I said 1980s
    That is 1980- 1990
    only a fuckwit would claim 1980s is before 1980

    - are you meaning the years when
    National were in power, and a few people got upset at the Vietnam War?
    I doubt anyone in the USA would hold a few protests against New
    Zealand - after all there were plenty of similar protests in teh USA
    itself. What were you referring to?

    Once again Rich has an appalling knowledge of history.
    Lange was the PM came to power in1984.
    Most people know that. Unless you are thick.


    It now appears grass roots labour (Thats is whats left of the party)wants American boats back.
    Will the current Party co leaders little,Shaw and Turei Come out and welcome
    And American ship?

    Why would they want to? This is just a photo-op really - what good is
    it doing for New Zealand? I am sure all politicians would want to talk
    to their people about ways in which we can work better together, but a
    ship visit just isn't really very important in itself. But I cannot
    speak for either Labour or the Greens - lets wait and see if it
    happens.

    Labour or the Green
    only yesterday it was a love fest
    that didn't last long.

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Wednesday, June 01, 2016 15:31:09
    On Wed, 01 Jun 2016 11:32:17 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 31 May 2016 19:57:55 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:




    Since you posted the initial post in this thread, and decided on the >>Subject, perhaps you can explain what you were meaning - there doesn't
    seem to be anything to "suck on" unless you believe Key will lie . . .

    It has nothing to do with Key.
    The Labour party have had hatred of American international policy
    Really? They certainly have worked well with the United States in
    every area except that of nuclear weapons. Can you give a cite?

    For years. Climaxing in Lange telling America to Fuck off in the 1980s.

    So you are talking about pre-1980 - are you meaning the years when
    National were in power, and a few people got upset at the Vietnam War?
    I doubt anyone in the USA would hold a few protests against New
    Zealand - after all there were plenty of similar protests in teh USA
    itself. What were you referring to?

    It now appears grass roots labour (Thats is whats left of the party)wants American boats back.
    Will the current Party co leaders little,Shaw and Turei Come out and welcome >And American ship?

    Why would they want to? This is just a photo-op really - what good is
    it doing for New Zealand? I am sure all politicians would want to talk
    to their people about ways in which we can work better together, but a
    ship visit just isn't really very important in itself. But I cannot
    speak for either Labour or the Greens - lets wait and see if it
    happens.

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Thursday, June 02, 2016 13:45:29
    "Rich80105" <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:uulnkbddr92cj3t7g40em0jfjakpf456f8@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 16:06:41 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    Suck on this labour
    Green/Labour anti American Central Committees are going to have to eat a
    rat
    As 65% of labour /Green supporters want American warships to visit. >>http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/05/another-poll-shows-elft-wing-still-touch/#more-252809

    Provided they comply with our laws, why not? There is a bit of a
    concern about the likely cost, but you may think John Key will
    automatically lie and allow a nuclear armed or powered ship in. I
    understand why you may think so, but even Key is unlikely to want to
    do that when the truth is likely to be known anyway.

    Thought you'd done some time with our armed forces Rich. Or was that just another of your constant lies? If you'd spent any time with the services
    you'd understand just how bloody stupid your reiteration of the Labour/Green lie about nuclear armed ships is.

    Pooh

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Thursday, June 02, 2016 13:47:13
    "Rich80105" <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:7n7pkb9vto0inub9g98arkukaim5isa1t3@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 12:42:37 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 07:15:42 UTC+12, george wrote:
    On 5/30/2016 8:09 PM, JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 30 May 2016 18:06:44 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 16:06:41 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    Suck on this labour
    Green/Labour anti American Central Committees are going to have to
    eat a rat
    As 65% of labour /Green supporters want American warships to visit.
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/05/another-poll-shows-elft-wing-still-touch/#more-252809

    Provided they comply with our laws, why not? There is a bit of a
    concern about the likely cost, but you may think John Key will
    automatically lie and allow a nuclear armed or powered ship in. I
    understand why you may think so, but even Key is unlikely to want to
    do that when the truth is likely to be known anyway.

    Dickbot, you really do like putting words in peoples' mouths, don't
    you? It doesn't make you look clever. It just makes you look like a
    dishonest little shit.

    Poor little man. He doesn't realise that the USN nuclear powered ships
    are known and those armed with nukes can be pretty well worked out.
    We allow Chinese warships in, no-one asks them if they're nuclear
    armed..
    Looks like another Liebor get Key

    The unoffical fact of the matter is that US Navy surface ships don't carry >>nuke weapons.

    Which is why it would be silly for Key or National to lie about
    admitting a nuclear-powered or armed ship in - "right", JohnO?

    How low are you going to go in your persistence in making yourself look like
    a lying, loopy left trolling twit you are Rich?

    Pooh

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to All on Thursday, June 02, 2016 13:51:11
    "JohnO" <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote in message news:65c6c799-4c45-4695-94d8-ef66709f999e@googlegroups.com...
    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 11:34:54 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 14:21:24 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 08:14:24 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 12:42:37 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 07:15:42 UTC+12, george wrote:
    On 5/30/2016 8:09 PM, JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 30 May 2016 18:06:44 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 16:06:41 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    Suck on this labour
    Green/Labour anti American Central Committees are going to have
    to eat a rat
    As 65% of labour /Green supporters want American warships to
    visit.
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/05/another-poll-shows-elft-wing-still-touch/#more-252809

    Provided they comply with our laws, why not? There is a bit of a
    concern about the likely cost, but you may think John Key will
    automatically lie and allow a nuclear armed or powered ship in.
    I
    understand why you may think so, but even Key is unlikely to
    want to
    do that when the truth is likely to be known anyway.

    Dickbot, you really do like putting words in peoples' mouths,
    don't you? It doesn't make you look clever. It just makes you
    look like a dishonest little shit.

    Poor little man. He doesn't realise that the USN nuclear powered
    ships
    are known and those armed with nukes can be pretty well worked out.
    We allow Chinese warships in, no-one asks them if they're nuclear
    armed..
    Looks like another Liebor get Key

    The unoffical fact of the matter is that US Navy surface ships don't
    carry nuke weapons.

    Which is why it would be silly for Key or National to lie about
    admitting a nuclear-powered or armed ship in - "right", JohnO?

    What are you talking about? It is plainly obvious if the ship is nuclear
    powered and it won't be nuclear armed so why would Key have lie? Answer:
    he won't and it's just your KDS rearing its head again.
    Of course Key wil not lie - some of the deranged may think that he
    will let a nuclear ship in and pretend it isn;t, but even Key is
    unlikely to do that when the truth is likely to be known. You are
    automatically defending Key when on this occasion it is not necessary.
    So as I said, provided the law is upheld, there is not really a
    problem with a ship visit.

    Then why did you have to raise the spectre of Key lying about the ship visits? As I said, the answer is simply your KDS dementia and compulsion
    to smear anyone to the right of Marx.


    Nah! It's pretty obvious that Rich is finally coming out of the closet and admitting he's deranged:)

    Pooh

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to All on Thursday, June 02, 2016 13:52:51
    "JohnO" <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote in message news:7b0af3eb-102f-4340-b9dc-a361f72b256c@googlegroups.com...
    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 15:56:05 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 17:12:54 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 11:34:54 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 14:21:24 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 08:14:24 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 12:42:37 -0700 (PDT), JohnO
    <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 07:15:42 UTC+12, george wrote:
    On 5/30/2016 8:09 PM, JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 30 May 2016 18:06:44 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 16:06:41 +1200, Liberty
    <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    Suck on this labour
    Green/Labour anti American Central Committees are going to
    have to eat a rat
    As 65% of labour /Green supporters want American warships to
    visit.
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/05/another-poll-shows-elft-wing-still-touch/#more-252809

    Provided they comply with our laws, why not? There is a bit
    of a
    concern about the likely cost, but you may think John Key
    will
    automatically lie and allow a nuclear armed or powered ship
    in. I
    understand why you may think so, but even Key is unlikely to
    want to
    do that when the truth is likely to be known anyway.

    Dickbot, you really do like putting words in peoples' mouths,
    don't you? It doesn't make you look clever. It just makes you
    look like a dishonest little shit.

    Poor little man. He doesn't realise that the USN nuclear powered
    ships
    are known and those armed with nukes can be pretty well worked
    out.
    We allow Chinese warships in, no-one asks them if they're
    nuclear armed..
    Looks like another Liebor get Key

    The unoffical fact of the matter is that US Navy surface ships
    don't carry nuke weapons.

    Which is why it would be silly for Key or National to lie about
    admitting a nuclear-powered or armed ship in - "right", JohnO?

    What are you talking about? It is plainly obvious if the ship is
    nuclear powered and it won't be nuclear armed so why would Key have
    lie? Answer: he won't and it's just your KDS rearing its head again.
    Of course Key wil not lie - some of the deranged may think that he
    will let a nuclear ship in and pretend it isn;t, but even Key is
    unlikely to do that when the truth is likely to be known. You are
    automatically defending Key when on this occasion it is not necessary.
    So as I said, provided the law is upheld, there is not really a
    problem with a ship visit.

    Then why did you have to raise the spectre of Key lying about the ship
    visits? As I said, the answer is simply your KDS dementia and compulsion
    to smear anyone to the right of Marx.

    Because the whole story is a non-issue - a beat up about Labour as a
    distraction from Key and Nationals lies and poor performance. Unless
    you believe that Key would lie, there never was a problem with a ship
    visit - it was always up to the United States to be prepared to
    confirm that ships are non-nuclear, and for the Prime Minister to ask
    - and not lie about the result. So we get back to the concern by many
    that NAtional will create a problem for themselves by lying. While

    "Concern by many"? You and your handful of deluded mates are not "many".

    that is certainly true in respect of other issues such as Auckland
    housing, I do no believe even Key will deliberately plan to lie on an
    issue where he could be fairly certain of being caught.

    So why did you think the visit was an issue in the first place, JohnO?

    I never said it was. Stop putting words in peoples' mouths you lying
    little shit.



    Appologise to Rich JohnO! Not his fault he has constant brainfades and can't remember who he's replying to. Guess it's part and parcel of his dementia :)

    Pooh

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Thursday, June 02, 2016 13:59:56
    "Rich80105" <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:q2nqkbh6rlp5m9jir3qtd1k5j2hlqeflng@4ax.com...
    On Tue, 31 May 2016 01:34:16 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 18:29:48 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 23:06:14 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 17:05:51 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 21:36:02 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>> >> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 15:56:05 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 17:12:54 -0700 (PDT), JohnO
    <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 11:34:54 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 14:21:24 -0700 (PDT), JohnO
    <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 08:14:24 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 12:42:37 -0700 (PDT), JohnO
    <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 07:15:42 UTC+12, george wrote:
    On 5/30/2016 8:09 PM, JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 30 May 2016 18:06:44 UTC+12, Rich80105
    wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 16:06:41 +1200, Liberty
    <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    Suck on this labour
    Green/Labour anti American Central Committees are
    going to have to eat a rat
    As 65% of labour /Green supporters want American
    warships to visit.
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/05/another-poll-shows-elft-wing-still-touch/#more-252809

    Provided they comply with our laws, why not? There is
    a bit of a
    concern about the likely cost, but you may think John
    Key will
    automatically lie and allow a nuclear armed or powered >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> ship in. I
    understand why you may think so, but even Key is
    unlikely to want to
    do that when the truth is likely to be known anyway.

    Dickbot, you really do like putting words in peoples'
    mouths, don't you? It doesn't make you look clever. It
    just makes you look like a dishonest little shit.

    Poor little man. He doesn't realise that the USN nuclear
    powered ships
    are known and those armed with nukes can be pretty well
    worked out.
    We allow Chinese warships in, no-one asks them if they're >>> >> >> >> >> >> nuclear armed..
    Looks like another Liebor get Key

    The unoffical fact of the matter is that US Navy surface
    ships don't carry nuke weapons.

    Which is why it would be silly for Key or National to lie
    about
    admitting a nuclear-powered or armed ship in - "right",
    JohnO?

    What are you talking about? It is plainly obvious if the ship
    is nuclear powered and it won't be nuclear armed so why would
    Key have lie? Answer: he won't and it's just your KDS rearing
    its head again.
    Of course Key wil not lie - some of the deranged may think that >>> >> >> >> he
    will let a nuclear ship in and pretend it isn;t, but even Key
    is
    unlikely to do that when the truth is likely to be known. You
    are
    automatically defending Key when on this occasion it is not
    necessary.
    So as I said, provided the law is upheld, there is not really a >>> >> >> >> problem with a ship visit.

    Then why did you have to raise the spectre of Key lying about the >>> >> >> >ship visits? As I said, the answer is simply your KDS dementia
    and compulsion to smear anyone to the right of Marx.

    Because the whole story is a non-issue - a beat up about Labour as >>> >> >> a
    distraction from Key and Nationals lies and poor performance.
    Unless
    you believe that Key would lie, there never was a problem with a
    ship
    visit - it was always up to the United States to be prepared to
    confirm that ships are non-nuclear, and for the Prime Minister to
    ask
    - and not lie about the result. So we get back to the concern by
    many
    that NAtional will create a problem for themselves by lying. While >>> >> >
    "Concern by many"? You and your handful of deluded mates are not
    "many".

    that is certainly true in respect of other issues such as Auckland >>> >> >> housing, I do no believe even Key will deliberately plan to lie on >>> >> >> an
    issue where he could be fairly certain of being caught.

    So why did you think the visit was an issue in the first place,
    JohnO?

    I never said it was. Stop putting words in peoples' mouths you lying >>> >> >little shit.
    Indeed, but you didn't exactly object to Liberty saynig it was.

    What I object to is you putting words in peoples' mouths.
    So what words did I put in anyones mouth in this thread?


    You wrote this, Dumbo:

    "So why did you think the visit was an issue in the first place, JohnO?"
    And it is still a legitimate question on the basis of your posts to
    this thread. Do you claim that it is not an issue?


    I
    didn't say you did of course, I just asked you why you think the
    visit
    was an issue in the first place.

    And you also took the opportunity to smear Key.
    By saying that I didn't think he would lie on this issue? That is
    hardly a smear.

    Do you think it was never an issue?

    Irrelevant.
    Look at the Subject of the thread - clearly an implication that the
    survey had some relevance to Labour - someone thought it was an issue
    - do you?

    It's not my thread or title you irredeemably thick fool.
    Of course it is - your contribution makes it yours, to at leastthe
    sameextent tht it is mone. You should learn to take personal
    responsibility for your own actions - when you say something in a
    thread that makes you part of the thread.

    Once again the ever thicker Rich wants us to do as he says rather than as he does. Even though we're nothing like Rich the troll. The reasoning of a demented fool lying to try and support his unsupported position.

    Pooh

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Thursday, June 02, 2016 14:07:37
    "Rich80105" <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:uf7pkbttq1n0fgau9m03nhhiu6qhlohlk5@4ax.com...
    On Tue, 31 May 2016 07:15:42 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

    On 5/30/2016 8:09 PM, JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 30 May 2016 18:06:44 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 16:06:41 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    Suck on this labour
    Green/Labour anti American Central Committees are going to have to eat >>>>> a rat
    As 65% of labour /Green supporters want American warships to visit.
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/05/another-poll-shows-elft-wing-still-touch/#more-252809

    Provided they comply with our laws, why not? There is a bit of a
    concern about the likely cost, but you may think John Key will
    automatically lie and allow a nuclear armed or powered ship in. I
    understand why you may think so, but even Key is unlikely to want to
    do that when the truth is likely to be known anyway.

    Dickbot, you really do like putting words in peoples' mouths, don't you? >>> It doesn't make you look clever. It just makes you look like a dishonest >>> little shit.

    Poor little man. He doesn't realise that the USN nuclear powered ships
    are known and those armed with nukes can be pretty well worked out.
    We allow Chinese warships in, no-one asks them if they're nuclear armed.. >>Looks like another Liebor get Key

    What are you trying to say, george? Your nasty mis-spelling of Labour
    implies that someone in Labour has lied - if so, what was that lie?

    Has a nuclear powered Chinese ship visited New Zealand? If so, when?

    George didn't specify nuclear powered visits. However their have been visits
    by PLA ships going back as early as 2010 with nothing from Labour demanding they verify they wern't nuclear armed.

    As an aside. I was involved with the last visit to New Zealand by a nuclear powered ship (USS Pintado) and during the visit their were regular (hourly
    if memoery serves me right) checks of radioactivity in Auckland harbour
    during it's visit. At the briefing we all got after it went it was claimed
    the harbour had less radioactivity during it's visit than before or after:)

    Pooh

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Thursday, June 02, 2016 14:10:26
    "Rich80105" <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:jhjpkbpo0lbi60umf66v1l7mdbjkleuvb7@4ax.com...
    On Tue, 31 May 2016 09:26:57 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 31 May 2016 08:12:59 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 31 May 2016 07:15:42 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:



    Poor little man. He doesn't realise that the USN nuclear powered ships >>>>are known and those armed with nukes can be pretty well worked out.
    We allow Chinese warships in, no-one asks them if they're nuclear >>>>armed..
    Looks like another Liebor get Key

    What are you trying to say, george? Your nasty mis-spelling of Labour >>>implies that someone in Labour has lied - if so, what was that lie?

    Where do you start?
    Apparently you cannot - difficult of course when there is no lie - the
    lies are with National so george's unwarranted slur is just a
    defensive mechanism


    Little claimed in his after budget speech that National hadn't replaced any
    of the Housing Corp houses that had been torn down. THAT is only one of
    several lies he told during his speech Rich! Like you Little is incapable of NOT lying. Hell if the union stooge claimed the sky was blue I'd whip
    outside to check it hadn't turned bright red!

    Pooh


    Has a nuclear powered Chinese ship visited New Zealand? If so, when?
    No answer from you to this one Liberty? I suspect george has no answer either.

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to Fred on Thursday, June 02, 2016 14:10:58
    "Fred" <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:nijg96$b08$1@dont-email.me...
    On 30/05/2016 8:09 p.m., JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 30 May 2016 18:06:44 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 16:06:41 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    Suck on this labour
    Green/Labour anti American Central Committees are going to have to eat >>>> a rat
    As 65% of labour /Green supporters want American warships to visit.
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/05/another-poll-shows-elft-wing-still-touch/#more-252809

    Provided they comply with our laws, why not? There is a bit of a
    concern about the likely cost, but you may think John Key will
    automatically lie and allow a nuclear armed or powered ship in. I
    understand why you may think so, but even Key is unlikely to want to
    do that when the truth is likely to be known anyway.

    Dickbot, you really do like putting words in peoples' mouths, don't you?
    It doesn't make you look clever. It just makes you look like a dishonest
    little shit.

    More like a despicable little cunt.



    Or a myopic marxist muppet? :)

    Pooh

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to Liberty on Thursday, June 02, 2016 14:15:38
    "Liberty" <liberty48@live.com> wrote in message news:oucpkbtsl5a4kcrlvgljo2ehujtjkn43nc@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 30 May 2016 18:06:40 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 30 May 2016 16:06:41 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    Suck on this labour
    Green/Labour anti American Central Committees are going to have to eat a >>> rat
    As 65% of labour /Green supporters want American warships to visit. >>>http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/05/another-poll-shows-elft-wing-still-touch/#more-252809

    Provided they comply with our laws, why not? There is a bit of a
    concern about the likely cost, but you may think John Key will >>automatically lie and allow a nuclear armed or powered ship in. I >>understand why you may think so, but even Key is unlikely to want to
    do that when the truth is likely to be known anyway.

    As you should be fully aware. American surface ships don't carry nuclear arms.
    So you are talking shit as usual.
    If labour hadn't pissed of our friends in the 1980s to the extent. Our
    navy
    Has been blacklisted for years.
    Some right seedy countries have had more contact.
    Don't forget labour reneged on the f16 deal.
    Because labour had pissed of our friends. The skyhawks
    couldn't be sold.
    Don't forget Goff bullshit lie just before and election he had sold the skyhawks.
    Then labour have always been anti American.

    People don't realise just how much Labours dumb nuclear free policy cost New Zealands armed forces. I know for a fact the cost of milstrip items climbed
    by at least 400%! Why? Because we no longer had most favoured nation
    standing and had to pay full price for everything. Before Rich starts
    waffling about why didn't we get the parts from elsewhere it's simple. Much
    of the kit was only available from the USA because countrys wern't allowed
    to onsell without US's okay. Much like the Skyhawks Labour fucked because of their stance towards the USA!

    Pooh

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