A good summary http://www.pundit.co.nz/content/housing-game-changer-spreading-the-blame
A good summary >http://www.pundit.co.nz/content/housing-game-changer-spreading-the-blameAn excellent summary in 'most' respects - a clearly incompetent council. Perhaps it is time for government to step in and replace the council with a commissioner!
Note in particular:
". . . .Bill English on The Nation took the rhetoric to a new level.
The council is to blame for the lack of land supply, lack of houses
and lack of infrastructure. In fact its past 20 years of planning
rules (often under National-aligned mayors) is even to blame for the
current homelessness crisis that's seen more people living in cars and >garages.
Auckland Council is in a bind on infrastructure. Not that you'd know
it from most of the debate, but it's willing to sprawl somewhat. It's
problem is the lack of roads, rail, sewers, footpaths and the like on
the outskirts of the city and an inability to pay for it.
Auckland Council is maxed out on debt; if it borrows more it suffer a
credit downgrade and the local government authority that borrows on
behalf of councils simply won't let it do that, as I understand it. It
can't raise rates, because they're already high and they'd suffer a
revolt. Thy want to introduce congestion charges, but the government
won't change the law to let them."
On 2016-05-29, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
A good summary http://www.pundit.co.nz/content/housing-game-changer-spreading-the-blame
Capatalism is always shifting the blame/problem, for this is how it deals with it.
If one can not see that, one needs to get help.
On 2016-05-29, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
A good summary
http://www.pundit.co.nz/content/housing-game-changer-spreading-the-blame
Capatalism is always shifting the blame/problem, for this is how it deals >with it.
If one can not see that, one needs to get help.
On Sunday, 29 May 2016 17:44:49 UTC+12, Gordon wrote:
On 2016-05-29, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
A good summary
http://www.pundit.co.nz/content/housing-game-changer-spreading-the-blame >> >
Capatalism is always shifting the blame/problem, for this is how it deals
with it.
If one can not see that, one needs to get help.
Yeah,'cause socialism is working out great!
Just ask the Venezuelans.
On Sun, 29 May 2016 00:07:19 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, 29 May 2016 17:44:49 UTC+12, Gordon wrote:
On 2016-05-29, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
A good summary
http://www.pundit.co.nz/content/housing-game-changer-spreading-the-blame >>> >
Capatalism is always shifting the blame/problem, for this is how it deals >>> with it.
If one can not see that, one needs to get help.
Yeah,'cause socialism is working out great!
Just ask the Venezuelans.
Ask the millions that Stalin liquidated.
The Philosophy of socialism is the same. It doesn't work.The closest we have is the Green Party
In a ideal world there would be a libertarian government.
But poor people would struggle to survive.A balance between spin and looting for crony friends and the 1% -
That is why you need a balance . and the National government
have achieved that.
Yet it is the pinkos who complain that they are being hard done by. After they are provided with
subsidized life style.
Paid for by rich pricks who have their wealth pillaged
in the public good.
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:You may be right
A good summary >>http://www.pundit.co.nz/content/housing-game-changer-spreading-the-blameAn excellent summary in 'most' respects - a clearly incompetent council. >Perhaps it is time for government to step in and replace the council with a >commissioner!
Note in particular:
". . . .Bill English on The Nation took the rhetoric to a new level.
The council is to blame for the lack of land supply, lack of houses
and lack of infrastructure. In fact its past 20 years of planning
rules (often under National-aligned mayors) is even to blame for the >>current homelessness crisis that's seen more people living in cars and >>garages.
Auckland Council is in a bind on infrastructure. Not that you'd know
it from most of the debate, but it's willing to sprawl somewhat. It's >>problem is the lack of roads, rail, sewers, footpaths and the like on
the outskirts of the city and an inability to pay for it.
Auckland Council is maxed out on debt; if it borrows more it suffer a >>credit downgrade and the local government authority that borrows on
behalf of councils simply won't let it do that, as I understand it. It >>can't raise rates, because they're already high and they'd suffer a
revolt. Thy want to introduce congestion charges, but the government
won't change the law to let them."
Tony
On 2016-05-29, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
A good summary
http://www.pundit.co.nz/content/housing-game-changer-spreading-the-blame
Capatalism is always shifting the blame/problem, for this is how it deals with it.
If one can not see that, one needs to get help.
On 5/29/2016 5:44 PM, Gordon wrote:
On 2016-05-29, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
A good summary
http://www.pundit.co.nz/content/housing-game-changer-spreading-the-blame >>>
Capatalism is always shifting the blame/problem, for this is how it deals
with it.
If one can not see that, one needs to get help.
So under Liebor there was no housing 'crisis' and there were no people >sleeping rough ?
There were no people crowded into houses and garages ?
Or living in cars ?
Come back in a hundred years and the same headlines will be in whateverA hundred years ago we had an influenza epidemic which killed more
the new technology is.
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
A good summary >>http://www.pundit.co.nz/content/housing-game-changer-spreading-the-blameAn excellent summary in 'most' respects - a clearly incompetent council. >Perhaps it is time for government to step in and replace the council with a >commissioner!
Note in particular:
". . . .Bill English on The Nation took the rhetoric to a new level.
The council is to blame for the lack of land supply, lack of houses
and lack of infrastructure. In fact its past 20 years of planning
rules (often under National-aligned mayors) is even to blame for the >>current homelessness crisis that's seen more people living in cars and >>garages.
Auckland Council is in a bind on infrastructure. Not that you'd know
it from most of the debate, but it's willing to sprawl somewhat. It's >>problem is the lack of roads, rail, sewers, footpaths and the like on
the outskirts of the city and an inability to pay for it.
Auckland Council is maxed out on debt; if it borrows more it suffer a >>credit downgrade and the local government authority that borrows on
behalf of councils simply won't let it do that, as I understand it. It >>can't raise rates, because they're already high and they'd suffer a
revolt. Thy want to introduce congestion charges, but the government
won't change the law to let them."
On Sunday, 29 May 2016 17:44:49 UTC+12, Gordon wrote:
On 2016-05-29, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
A good summary
http://www.pundit.co.nz/content/housing-game-changer-spreading-the-blame >>>
Capatalism is always shifting the blame/problem, for this is how it deals
with it.
If one can not see that, one needs to get help.
Yeah,'cause socialism is working out great!
Just ask the Venezuelans.
On 29 May 2016 05:44:47 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:
On 2016-05-29, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
A good summary
http://www.pundit.co.nz/content/housing-game-changer-spreading-the-blame >>>
Capatalism is always shifting the blame/problem, for this is how it deals >>with it.
If one can not see that, one needs to get help.
Indeed - privatise the profits, socialise the losses. Crony capitalism
is what I suspect the Key government will be remembered for.
On Sun, 29 May 2016 00:45:48 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netI would have thought that a retired high court judge would be a good idea - wouldn't you?
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
A good summary >>>http://www.pundit.co.nz/content/housing-game-changer-spreading-the-blameAn excellent summary in 'most' respects - a clearly incompetent council. >>Perhaps it is time for government to step in and replace the council with a >>commissioner!
Note in particular:
". . . .Bill English on The Nation took the rhetoric to a new level.
The council is to blame for the lack of land supply, lack of houses
and lack of infrastructure. In fact its past 20 years of planning
rules (often under National-aligned mayors) is even to blame for the >>>current homelessness crisis that's seen more people living in cars and >>>garages.
Auckland Council is in a bind on infrastructure. Not that you'd know
it from most of the debate, but it's willing to sprawl somewhat. It's >>>problem is the lack of roads, rail, sewers, footpaths and the like on
the outskirts of the city and an inability to pay for it.
Auckland Council is maxed out on debt; if it borrows more it suffer a >>>credit downgrade and the local government authority that borrows on >>>behalf of councils simply won't let it do that, as I understand it. It >>>can't raise rates, because they're already high and they'd suffer a >>>revolt. Thy want to introduce congestion charges, but the government >>>won't change the law to let them."
Would Phil Goff be OK, because his is the name that comes up in
debates about Auckland's policy-paralysis?
If not he, then who?
On 29 May 2016 05:44:47 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:
On 2016-05-29, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
A good summary
http://www.pundit.co.nz/content/housing-game-changer-spreading-the-blame >>>
Capatalism is always shifting the blame/problem, for this is how it deals >>with it.
If one can not see that, one needs to get help.
Indeed - privatise the profits, socialise the losses. Crony capitalism
is what I suspect the Key government will be remembered for.
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
A good summary >>http://www.pundit.co.nz/content/housing-game-changer-spreading-the-blameAn excellent summary in 'most' respects - a clearly incompetent council. >Perhaps it is time for government to step in and replace the council with a >commissioner!
Note in particular:
". . . .Bill English on The Nation took the rhetoric to a new level.
The council is to blame for the lack of land supply, lack of houses
and lack of infrastructure. In fact its past 20 years of planning
rules (often under National-aligned mayors) is even to blame for the >>current homelessness crisis that's seen more people living in cars and >>garages.
Auckland Council is in a bind on infrastructure. Not that you'd know
it from most of the debate, but it's willing to sprawl somewhat. It's >>problem is the lack of roads, rail, sewers, footpaths and the like on
the outskirts of the city and an inability to pay for it.
Auckland Council is maxed out on debt; if it borrows more it suffer a >>credit downgrade and the local government authority that borrows on
behalf of councils simply won't let it do that, as I understand it. It >>can't raise rates, because they're already high and they'd suffer a
revolt. Thy want to introduce congestion charges, but the government
won't change the law to let them."
On 29/05/2016 7:07 p.m., JohnO wrote:
On Sunday, 29 May 2016 17:44:49 UTC+12, Gordon wrote:
On 2016-05-29, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
A good summary
http://www.pundit.co.nz/content/housing-game-changer-spreading-the-blame >>>>
Capatalism is always shifting the blame/problem, for this is how it deals >>> with it.
If one can not see that, one needs to get help.
Yeah,'cause socialism is working out great!
Just ask the Venezuelans.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3192933/Hugo-Chavez-s-ambassador-daughter-Venezuela-s-richest-woman-according-new-report.html
Privatize the profit socialize the losses.
John Key style
On Sun, 29 May 2016 19:45:57 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
Just ask the Venezuelans.
Ask the millions that Stalin liquidated.
Stalin probably has more in common with National in his authoritarian
God you are thickThe Philosophy of socialism is the same. It doesn't work.The closest we have is the Green Party
In a ideal world there would be a libertarian government.
WTF are you going on aboutBut poor people would struggle to survive.A balance between spin and looting for crony friends and the 1% -
That is why you need a balance . and the National government
have achieved that.
perhaps. . .
Yet it is the pinkos who complain that they are being hard done by. After they are provided with
subsidized life style.
Paid for by rich pricks who have their wealth pillaged
in the public good.
On Sun, 29 May 2016 18:47:12 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netHeshe would need help - such help can be employed. The intellect of an accomplished lawyer would be invaluable and they are generally either apolitical or sufficiently well trained and experienced to ignore their own prejudices.
dot nz> wrote:
slaybot@hotmail.com (Newsman) wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2016 00:45:48 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netI would have thought that a retired high court judge would be a good idea - >>wouldn't you?
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
A good summary >>>>>http://www.pundit.co.nz/content/housing-game-changer-spreading-the-blame >>>>>An excellent summary in 'most' respects - a clearly incompetent council. >>>>Perhaps it is time for government to step in and replace the council with a >>>>commissioner!
Note in particular:
". . . .Bill English on The Nation took the rhetoric to a new level. >>>>>The council is to blame for the lack of land supply, lack of houses >>>>>and lack of infrastructure. In fact its past 20 years of planning >>>>>rules (often under National-aligned mayors) is even to blame for the >>>>>current homelessness crisis that's seen more people living in cars and >>>>>garages.
Auckland Council is in a bind on infrastructure. Not that you'd know >>>>>it from most of the debate, but it's willing to sprawl somewhat. It's >>>>>problem is the lack of roads, rail, sewers, footpaths and the like on >>>>>the outskirts of the city and an inability to pay for it.
Auckland Council is maxed out on debt; if it borrows more it suffer a >>>>>credit downgrade and the local government authority that borrows on >>>>>behalf of councils simply won't let it do that, as I understand it. It >>>>>can't raise rates, because they're already high and they'd suffer a >>>>>revolt. Thy want to introduce congestion charges, but the government >>>>>won't change the law to let them."
Would Phil Goff be OK, because his is the name that comes up in
debates about Auckland's policy-paralysis?
If not he, then who?
At the intellectual level, yes; but for politically adminstrative
nous, doubtful.
slaybot@hotmail.com (Newsman) wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2016 00:45:48 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netI would have thought that a retired high court judge would be a good idea - >wouldn't you?
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
A good summary >>>>http://www.pundit.co.nz/content/housing-game-changer-spreading-the-blame >>>>An excellent summary in 'most' respects - a clearly incompetent council. >>>Perhaps it is time for government to step in and replace the council with a >>>commissioner!
Note in particular:
". . . .Bill English on The Nation took the rhetoric to a new level. >>>>The council is to blame for the lack of land supply, lack of houses
and lack of infrastructure. In fact its past 20 years of planning
rules (often under National-aligned mayors) is even to blame for the >>>>current homelessness crisis that's seen more people living in cars and >>>>garages.
Auckland Council is in a bind on infrastructure. Not that you'd know
it from most of the debate, but it's willing to sprawl somewhat. It's >>>>problem is the lack of roads, rail, sewers, footpaths and the like on >>>>the outskirts of the city and an inability to pay for it.
Auckland Council is maxed out on debt; if it borrows more it suffer a >>>>credit downgrade and the local government authority that borrows on >>>>behalf of councils simply won't let it do that, as I understand it. It >>>>can't raise rates, because they're already high and they'd suffer a >>>>revolt. Thy want to introduce congestion charges, but the government >>>>won't change the law to let them."
Would Phil Goff be OK, because his is the name that comes up in
debates about Auckland's policy-paralysis?
If not he, then who?
On 29/05/2016 7:07 p.m., JohnO wrote:
On Sunday, 29 May 2016 17:44:49 UTC+12, Gordon wrote:
On 2016-05-29, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
A good summary
http://www.pundit.co.nz/content/housing-game-changer-spreading-the-blame >>>
Capatalism is always shifting the blame/problem, for this is how it deals >> with it.
If one can not see that, one needs to get help.
Yeah,'cause socialism is working out great!
Just ask the Venezuelans.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3192933/Hugo-Chavez-s-ambassador-daughter-Venezuela-s-richest-woman-according-new-report.html
Privatize the profit socialize the losses.
John Key style
On Sun, 29 May 2016 00:45:48 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netThe term does not elude me since it would need to be meaningful to have occurred to me.
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
A good summary >>>http://www.pundit.co.nz/content/housing-game-changer-spreading-the-blameAn excellent summary in 'most' respects - a clearly incompetent council. >>Perhaps it is time for government to step in and replace the council with a >>commissioner!
Note in particular:
". . . .Bill English on The Nation took the rhetoric to a new level.
The council is to blame for the lack of land supply, lack of houses
and lack of infrastructure. In fact its past 20 years of planning
rules (often under National-aligned mayors) is even to blame for the >>>current homelessness crisis that's seen more people living in cars and >>>garages.
Auckland Council is in a bind on infrastructure. Not that you'd know
it from most of the debate, but it's willing to sprawl somewhat. It's >>>problem is the lack of roads, rail, sewers, footpaths and the like on
the outskirts of the city and an inability to pay for it.
Auckland Council is maxed out on debt; if it borrows more it suffer a >>>credit downgrade and the local government authority that borrows on >>>behalf of councils simply won't let it do that, as I understand it. It >>>can't raise rates, because they're already high and they'd suffer a >>>revolt. Thy want to introduce congestion charges, but the government >>>won't change the law to let them."
Yet **again** it's all about New Zealand's chronic failure to plan
ahead and implement new, extended infrastructure. In Auckland, the
council can't pay for it because it's hit its borrowing limit; and
there would be a ratepayer revolt were the council to expect
struggling rentier-rorted wage-earners to come up with the readies.
Worse still, it's not loose change, either. It's BIllions - and over >decades.
Seems that,now, only central government is in a position to fund such >gigantic projects. However, the really good news is that government >borrowing has never been cheaper and, according to John Key, the
Finance Minister is doing a fantastic job. Surely, of all people,
this genius from the backblocks can use his international ministerial
cred to suck in as much additoinal debt as he thinks is needed? All
it will take is for future taxpayers to pay back the loans through the
huge increase in national wealth and that ever-elusive Brighter Future
that a fantastically performing Finance Minister will bring us all.
So no worries there, eh?
Better still, why not invite a select few international moguls to pay
for it with highly prestigeous naming rights such as The Rupert
Murdoch Trans-City Gutter Network or, to raise the tone a notch, the
Geo W Bush College of Erudition - you know the sort of thing. And, to
raise the intellectual quotient to its ineffable maximum, The John Key
Higher Academy of Zero-Productivity Derivatives Trading would surely
trump all-comers.
So, the possibilities are endless, aren't they? You see, while
certainly hoodwinking the dumbo brigade majority, panic-driven,
vote-buying band-aid pragmatism will never be enough; and there's no
getting away from the fact that it takes more than a smidgeon of
vision plus a modest portion of aspiration to get there, but this is
where National has yet to realise it needs to lift its game.
Unfortunately, as Len Bayliss put it over 20 years ago, this critical
lack is invariably **the** collective character fault of the
self-satisfied selfish and the under-educated who govern.
But, it seems, this is what the majority of the electorate favours, >presumably because their empathy for such politicians reflects the
very same character flaw in themselves.
(Helpful hint: the downward-spiral term that eludes you is, 'Wilful >Decadence.')
On Mon, 30 May 2016 12:03:50 +1200, victor <user1@example.net> wrote:
On 29/05/2016 7:07 p.m., JohnO wrote:
On Sunday, 29 May 2016 17:44:49 UTC+12, Gordon wrote:
On 2016-05-29, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
A good summary
http://www.pundit.co.nz/content/housing-game-changer-spreading-the-blame >>>>
Capatalism is always shifting the blame/problem, for this is how it deals >>> with it.
If one can not see that, one needs to get help.
Yeah,'cause socialism is working out great!
Just ask the Venezuelans.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3192933/Hugo-Chavez-s-ambassador-daughter-Venezuela-s-richest-woman-according-new-report.html
Privatize the profit socialize the losses.
John Key style
BAZINGA!
(My thanks to you, and sorry I couldn't be more original, but you have
it in a nutshell)
On Sun, 29 May 2016 00:07:19 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, 29 May 2016 17:44:49 UTC+12, Gordon wrote:
On 2016-05-29, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
A good summary
http://www.pundit.co.nz/content/housing-game-changer-spreading-the-blame >>> >
Capatalism is always shifting the blame/problem, for this is how it deals >>> with it.
If one can not see that, one needs to get help.
Yeah,'cause socialism is working out great!
Just ask the Venezuelans.
Ask the millions that Stalin liquidated.
On Sun, 29 May 2016 19:45:57 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2016 00:07:19 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>wrote:
On Sunday, 29 May 2016 17:44:49 UTC+12, Gordon wrote:
On 2016-05-29, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
A good summary
http://www.pundit.co.nz/content/housing-game-changer-spreading-the-blame >>>> >
Capatalism is always shifting the blame/problem, for this is how it
deals
with it.
If one can not see that, one needs to get help.
Yeah,'cause socialism is working out great!
Just ask the Venezuelans.
Ask the millions that Stalin liquidated.
Stalin probably has more in common with National in his authoritarian
views -
https://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2
At the extremes, there is little difference between the totalitarian
right and the totalitarian left.
The Philosophy of socialism is the same. It doesn't work.The closest we have is the Green Party
In a ideal world there would be a libertarian government.
But poor people would struggle to survive.A balance between spin and looting for crony friends and the 1% -
That is why you need a balance . and the National government
have achieved that.
perhaps. . .
Certainly Labour is less authoritarian than National: https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2014
Yet it is the pinkos who complain that they are being hard done by. After >>they are provided with
subsidized life style.
Paid for by rich pricks who have their wealth pillaged
in the public good.
A good summary
http://www.pundit.co.nz/content/housing-game-changer-spreading-the-blame
Note in particular:
". . . .Bill English on The Nation took the rhetoric to a new level.
The council is to blame for the lack of land supply, lack of houses
and lack of infrastructure. In fact its past 20 years of planning
rules (often under National-aligned mayors) is even to blame for the
current homelessness crisis that's seen more people living in cars and garages.
Auckland Council is in a bind on infrastructure. Not that you'd know
it from most of the debate, but it's willing to sprawl somewhat. It's
problem is the lack of roads, rail, sewers, footpaths and the like on
the outskirts of the city and an inability to pay for it.
Auckland Council is maxed out on debt; if it borrows more it suffer a
credit downgrade and the local government authority that borrows on
behalf of councils simply won't let it do that, as I understand it. It
can't raise rates, because they're already high and they'd suffer a
revolt. Thy want to introduce congestion charges, but the government
won't change the law to let them."
On 2016-05-29, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
A good summary
http://www.pundit.co.nz/content/housing-game-changer-spreading-the-blame
Capatalism is always shifting the blame/problem, for this is how it deals with it.
If one can not see that, one needs to get help.
On 29 May 2016 05:44:47 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:
On 2016-05-29, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
A good summary
http://www.pundit.co.nz/content/housing-game-changer-spreading-the-blame >>>
Capatalism is always shifting the blame/problem, for this is how it deals >>with it.
If one can not see that, one needs to get help.
Indeed - privatise the profits, socialise the losses. Crony capitalism
is what I suspect the Key government will be remembered for.
On 29/05/2016 7:07 p.m., JohnO wrote:
On Sunday, 29 May 2016 17:44:49 UTC+12, Gordon wrote:
On 2016-05-29, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
A good summary
http://www.pundit.co.nz/content/housing-game-changer-spreading-the-blame >>>>
Capatalism is always shifting the blame/problem, for this is how it
deals
with it.
If one can not see that, one needs to get help.
Yeah,'cause socialism is working out great!
Just ask the Venezuelans.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3192933/Hugo-Chavez-s-ambassador-daughter-Venezuela-s-richest-woman-according-new-report.html
Privatize the profit socialize the losses.
John Key style
On Sun, 29 May 2016 19:45:57 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2016 00:07:19 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>wrote:
On Sunday, 29 May 2016 17:44:49 UTC+12, Gordon wrote:
On 2016-05-29, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
A good summary
http://www.pundit.co.nz/content/housing-game-changer-spreading-the-blame >>>> >
Capatalism is always shifting the blame/problem, for this is how it
deals
with it.
If one can not see that, one needs to get help.
Yeah,'cause socialism is working out great!
Just ask the Venezuelans.
Ask the millions that Stalin liquidated.
Don't forget the 50 to 70 million dead at the hands of Mao Tse Tung.
Bill.
On 5/29/2016 5:44 PM, Gordon wrote:
On 2016-05-29, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
A good summary
http://www.pundit.co.nz/content/housing-game-changer-spreading-the-blame >>>
Capatalism is always shifting the blame/problem, for this is how it deals
with it.
If one can not see that, one needs to get help.
So under Liebor there was no housing 'crisis' and there were no people sleeping rough ?
There were no people crowded into houses and garages ?
Or living in cars ?
Come back in a hundred years and the same headlines will be in whatever
the new technology is.
On Mon, 30 May 2016 08:10:08 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 5/29/2016 5:44 PM, Gordon wrote:
On 2016-05-29, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
A good summary
http://www.pundit.co.nz/content/housing-game-changer-spreading-the-blame >>>>
Capatalism is always shifting the blame/problem, for this is how it
deals
with it.
If one can not see that, one needs to get help.
So under Liebor there was no housing 'crisis' and there were no people >>sleeping rough ?
There were no people crowded into houses and garages ?
Or living in cars ?
Who has claimed there were no problems in the past? Are you claiming
we have never been in a better position regarding housing now than we
were in the past?
Come back in a hundred years and the same headlines will be in whateverA hundred years ago we had an influenza epidemic which killed more
the new technology is.
people than the First World War - does that mean that in your eyes we
should not fight against such things now?
slaybot@hotmail.com (Newsman) wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2016 00:45:48 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netThe term does not elude me since it would need to be meaningful to have >occurred to me.
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
A good summary >>>>http://www.pundit.co.nz/content/housing-game-changer-spreading-the-blame >>>>An excellent summary in 'most' respects - a clearly incompetent council. >>>Perhaps it is time for government to step in and replace the council with a >>>commissioner!
Note in particular:
". . . .Bill English on The Nation took the rhetoric to a new level. >>>>The council is to blame for the lack of land supply, lack of houses
and lack of infrastructure. In fact its past 20 years of planning
rules (often under National-aligned mayors) is even to blame for the >>>>current homelessness crisis that's seen more people living in cars and >>>>garages.
Auckland Council is in a bind on infrastructure. Not that you'd know
it from most of the debate, but it's willing to sprawl somewhat. It's >>>>problem is the lack of roads, rail, sewers, footpaths and the like on >>>>the outskirts of the city and an inability to pay for it.
Auckland Council is maxed out on debt; if it borrows more it suffer a >>>>credit downgrade and the local government authority that borrows on >>>>behalf of councils simply won't let it do that, as I understand it. It >>>>can't raise rates, because they're already high and they'd suffer a >>>>revolt. Thy want to introduce congestion charges, but the government >>>>won't change the law to let them."
Yet **again** it's all about New Zealand's chronic failure to plan
ahead and implement new, extended infrastructure. In Auckland, the
council can't pay for it because it's hit its borrowing limit; and
there would be a ratepayer revolt were the council to expect
struggling rentier-rorted wage-earners to come up with the readies.
Worse still, it's not loose change, either. It's BIllions - and over >>decades.
Seems that,now, only central government is in a position to fund such >>gigantic projects. However, the really good news is that government >>borrowing has never been cheaper and, according to John Key, the
Finance Minister is doing a fantastic job. Surely, of all people,
this genius from the backblocks can use his international ministerial
cred to suck in as much additoinal debt as he thinks is needed? All
it will take is for future taxpayers to pay back the loans through the
huge increase in national wealth and that ever-elusive Brighter Future
that a fantastically performing Finance Minister will bring us all.
So no worries there, eh?
Better still, why not invite a select few international moguls to pay
for it with highly prestigeous naming rights such as The Rupert
Murdoch Trans-City Gutter Network or, to raise the tone a notch, the
Geo W Bush College of Erudition - you know the sort of thing. And, to >>raise the intellectual quotient to its ineffable maximum, The John Key >>Higher Academy of Zero-Productivity Derivatives Trading would surely
trump all-comers.
So, the possibilities are endless, aren't they? You see, while
certainly hoodwinking the dumbo brigade majority, panic-driven,
vote-buying band-aid pragmatism will never be enough; and there's no >>getting away from the fact that it takes more than a smidgeon of
vision plus a modest portion of aspiration to get there, but this is
where National has yet to realise it needs to lift its game.
Unfortunately, as Len Bayliss put it over 20 years ago, this critical
lack is invariably **the** collective character fault of the
self-satisfied selfish and the under-educated who govern.
But, it seems, this is what the majority of the electorate favours, >>presumably because their empathy for such politicians reflects the
very same character flaw in themselves.
(Helpful hint: the downward-spiral term that eludes you is, 'Wilful >>Decadence.')
You are right in suggesting that we as a democray of sorts suffer from poor >decision making by the majoruty of unaware voters - if that is what you meant!
However, short of a benign dictatorship with its inherent risks we are pretty >well stuck with what we have which leads me to say, as I have before, the >government we have got may be imperfect but the alternative is currently >looking woefully short of any value at all.
The problem is - socialism has
rarely if ever worked and the current demise of labour movements worldwide is >evidence of that.
Nevertheless I support the right of all to have their
opinions - it just needs a little balance from time to time. I have voted for a
Labour candidate before now - I may do so again if the candidate inpresses me >enough - but I cannot see me giving my party vote in the near future to any >party other than Natiuonal because none of them are competent (including >National) but at least National are consistent and have a recent track record >every bit as good as any other government in decades even if they are less >competent than I would like.
On Sun, 29 May 2016 19:45:57 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2016 00:07:19 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote: >>
On Sunday, 29 May 2016 17:44:49 UTC+12, Gordon wrote:
On 2016-05-29, Rich80105 <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
A good summary
http://www.pundit.co.nz/content/housing-game-changer-spreading-the-blame >>>>>
Capatalism is always shifting the blame/problem, for this is how it deals >>>> with it.
If one can not see that, one needs to get help.
Yeah,'cause socialism is working out great!
Just ask the Venezuelans.
Ask the millions that Stalin liquidated.
Stalin probably has more in common with National in his authoritarian
views -
https://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2
At the extremes, there is little difference between the totalitarian
right and the totalitarian left.
The Philosophy of socialism is the same. It doesn't work.The closest we have is the Green Party
In a ideal world there would be a libertarian government.
But poor people would struggle to survive.A balance between spin and looting for crony friends and the 1% -
That is why you need a balance . and the National government
have achieved that.
perhaps. . .
Certainly Labour is less authoritarian than National: https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2014
Yet it is the pinkos who complain that they are being hard done by. After they are provided with
subsidized life style.
Paid for by rich pricks who have their wealth pillaged
in the public good.
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