On Fri, 27 May 2016 17:16:31 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, 27 May 2016 02:14:31 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 26 May 2016 22:37:17 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>>dot nz> wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 26 May 2016 16:07:22 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>>>>wrote:

On Friday, 27 May 2016 10:59:37 UTC+12, JohnO wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGm4tgwmaBc

Now compare:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOWZtHlBoLA

Indeed. A frightened stand-up comedian, feverishly trying to detract >>>>>>>attention from the budget, compared with a measured response from a >>>>>>>person that cares about New Zealanders.

Can you find a promise that John Key remembers half an hour later? >>>>>>In every respect John Key outclasses Andrew Little - time for Labour to >>>>>>get

a
real leader and develop a real opposition.
Tony

Yeah "Right"!

A laugh is certainly better for National than this: >>>>>http://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2016/05/a-government-that-doesnt-know-what-it.html

or this:
http://pundit.co.nz/content/budget-2017-the-prequel

or this: >>>>>https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/distressed-homeless-dad-grateful-south-auckland-marae-opening-its-doors

or this: >>>>>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11645652 >>>>>
or this: >>>>>http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/80368896/budget-2016-should-be-about-everyone-not-the-fortunate-few

or this: >>>>>http://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2016/05/no-money-for-housing-more-money-for.html

$178 million for spies and only $41 million for housing?

Not sure why you think any of what happened over the budget is funny, I >>>>didn't.

Certainly John Key tried to be humerous, but you are correct that it
fell flat. Constrast his deliberate avoidance of debate on real issues >>>witht eh quiet competence of Andrew Little, who actually raised ral >>>issues about the budget.

He succeeded in being very funny indeed but the butt of his humour was no >>match. I can only assume that you put words into other people's mouths >>because
you have nothing of value for your own.
I did not say it fell flat so why would you think I did?

You said "Not sure why why you think any of what happened over the
budget is funny, I didn't.

What happened over the budget would of course include the debate
immediately after it was read - where Key just looked ridiculous and >employing bluster and attacks on others to hide his attempts to avoid >addressing the issues that were being raised.

I was saying that the
budget was not funny - they never are.

And I was referring to the debate - Key did not read the budget - that
was Bill English, and no Miniser of Finance can avoid speaking about
the budget as they read it!.

The debate in the House was hilarious -
Mr Little was nowhere near on song.

Whatever you mean as "on song" - this was a serious debate about the
future of New Zealand - that you treat it as a song quest is
indicative of your capture by the shallow spin of the likes of Key.

Now you are being very funny - although almost certainly accidentally! >>"Andrew
Little" and "quiet competence" is an oxymoron. The Prime Minister didn't need >>to talk about real issues, that had been achieved in the budget speech itself.

He certainly didn't want to talk about the budget - or defend it.

The right, and the media, appear to "rate" exchanges as if they were
in some way a sporting match on the basis of schoolyard taunts

Ah so you never watcched Helen Clark in Parliament then?

- I
agree that in that repsect there are few to equal Key's contempt for >>>everyone else and his determination to ignore reality and the role he
was elected to do on irrelevancies.

You saids in your reply "The Prime Minister didn't need to talk about
the real issues" - that is contempuous of parliament, and yes also a >determination to avoid reality.

You are not agreeing with me! Again you resort to putting words into my mouth >>and to the use of sarcasm - a low intellect habit that you use aften.

You agreed with me subsequently - see above.

I was referring to the relative competencies of the two leaders, as you >>>>well
know, and John Key outstripped his opponent by a country mile. Regretably >>>>that
is what the debates in the House are like. Time for Labour to find a leader >>>>for
the first time in nearly a decade.

Sadly even National's usual supporters see this budget as at best a >>>missed opportunity. In relation to the housing crisis the business >>>community favours the approach of Andrew lIttle and Labour.

Nonsense

The
deliberate cutting of funding for health and education (on a per
client basis) is worrying for many, and a deliberate move in the
opposite direction from the stance he took during elections. If you >>>respect deliberate lying, obfusaction, childish taunts and a refusal
to accept personal responsibility for his own actions, then John Key
is the "winner" - but that in itself makes us all the losers.

You ignored the plea for a real Labour leader but then you always do!

Labour have a real leader

- you will be pleased to know that I
disagree with you.

I don't see the need to respond to every stupid
comment from other posters.