• A Reputation Time-Bomb

    From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Friday, May 13, 2016 11:48:03
    It is time for real leadership - a big problem affecting many
    countries has been identified, and to the rest of the world New
    Zealand appears to be sitting back trying to deny any problem exists.

    New Zealand used to be regarded as a good world citizen - seeking
    responsible market rules and cooperation. New Zealand has a lot to
    gain from encouraging the closing of tax loopholes internationally
    that enable wealthy individuals and companies to avoid paying tax in
    New Zealand; we should do our part by helping other countries prevent
    their taxpayers and companies avoid tax through our loopholes.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/79914567/panama-papers-is-nz-sweeping-a-reputation-timebomb-under-carpet

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  • From george152@3:770/3 to JohnO on Friday, May 13, 2016 12:35:42
    On 5/13/2016 12:23 PM, JohnO wrote:

    Yawn. Reputations are all relative. NZ has a tiny involvement in the Panama
    Papers. We don't rate a mention here:
    https://panamapapers.icij.org/graphs/

    .. and you have to go dig deep to find rare mentions of NZ.

    So if our reputation is damaged and it means customers of NZ inc are going
    elsewhere, then where? Who has less involvement than NZ and a better reputation?

    It's a beat-up. The only risk to NZ's reputation is the sound of the lefty
    fuckwits all bleating that NZ's reputation is damaged.


    Yup.
    No-one (apart from the NZ left) give a stuff.
    It's another attempt at dirty politics and like all the others
    not even gnat bites.
    But Liebor should keep it up as it annoys the average voter and promises
    better returns for the Nats

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Thursday, May 12, 2016 17:23:41
    On Friday, 13 May 2016 11:48:04 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    It is time for real leadership - a big problem affecting many
    countries has been identified, and to the rest of the world New
    Zealand appears to be sitting back trying to deny any problem exists.

    New Zealand used to be regarded as a good world citizen - seeking
    responsible market rules and cooperation. New Zealand has a lot to
    gain from encouraging the closing of tax loopholes internationally
    that enable wealthy individuals and companies to avoid paying tax in
    New Zealand; we should do our part by helping other countries prevent
    their taxpayers and companies avoid tax through our loopholes.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/79914567/panama-papers-is-nz-sweeping-a-reputation-timebomb-under-carpet

    Yawn. Reputations are all relative. NZ has a tiny involvement in the Panama Papers. We don't rate a mention here:
    https://panamapapers.icij.org/graphs/

    .. and you have to go dig deep to find rare mentions of NZ.

    So if our reputation is damaged and it means customers of NZ inc are going elsewhere, then where? Who has less involvement than NZ and a better reputation?

    It's a beat-up. The only risk to NZ's reputation is the sound of the lefty fuckwits all bleating that NZ's reputation is damaged.

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  • From Tony @3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Thursday, May 12, 2016 20:28:31
    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    It is time for real leadership - a big problem affecting many
    countries has been identified, and to the rest of the world New
    Zealand appears to be sitting back trying to deny any problem exists.

    New Zealand used to be regarded as a good world citizen - seeking
    responsible market rules and cooperation. New Zealand has a lot to
    gain from encouraging the closing of tax loopholes internationally
    that enable wealthy individuals and companies to avoid paying tax in
    New Zealand; we should do our part by helping other countries prevent
    their taxpayers and companies avoid tax through our loopholes.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/79914567/panama-papers-is-nz-sweeping-a-reputation-timebomb-under-carpet
    You should be ashamed of yourself - you continue to do everything you can to make this country look bad when there is no evidence.
    It is fortunate, but lucky, that no-one here believes you any more.
    Tony

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  • From Fred@3:770/3 to All on Friday, May 13, 2016 15:08:40
    On 13/05/2016 11:48 a.m., Rich80105 wrote:
    It is time for real leadership - a big problem affecting many
    countries has been identified, and to the rest of the world New
    Zealand appears to be sitting back trying to deny any problem exists.

    New Zealand used to be regarded as a good world citizen - seeking
    responsible market rules and cooperation. New Zealand has a lot to
    gain from encouraging the closing of tax loopholes internationally
    that enable wealthy individuals and companies to avoid paying tax in
    New Zealand; we should do our part by helping other countries prevent
    their taxpayers and companies avoid tax through our loopholes.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/79914567/panama-papers-is-nz-sweeping-a-reputation-timebomb-under-carpet



    How about posting a few urls from foreign newspapers or news-sites so we
    can see the massive damage done to our reputation, that you know about
    but nobody else does

    ?

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to gblack@hnpl.net on Friday, May 13, 2016 16:36:10
    On Fri, 13 May 2016 12:35:42 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

    On 5/13/2016 12:23 PM, JohnO wrote:

    Yawn. Reputations are all relative. NZ has a tiny involvement in the Panama Papers. We don't rate a mention here:
    https://panamapapers.icij.org/graphs/

    .. and you have to go dig deep to find rare mentions of NZ.

    So if our reputation is damaged and it means customers of NZ inc are going elsewhere, then where? Who has less involvement than NZ and a better reputation?

    It's a beat-up. The only risk to NZ's reputation is the sound of the lefty fuckwits all bleating that NZ's reputation is damaged.


    Yup.
    No-one (apart from the NZ left) give a stuff.
    It's another attempt at dirty politics and like all the others
    not even gnat bites.
    But Liebor should keep it up as it annoys the average voter and promises >better returns for the Nats

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/79944701/accounting-alliance-warns-foreign-trusts-they-can-expect-tighter-rules

    From that article:
    覧覧覧覧
    "The writing is on the wall for thousands of foreigners who have set
    up foreign trusts in New Zealand, a law and accounting body says.

    MSI Global, which has 250 member companies around the world, said in a statement that New Zealand allowed foreign trusts to be established
    "with minimal oversight or information being provided".

    But it said times were changing in the wake of the Panama Papers leak
    and that "foreign investors would be wise to act now".

    "As New Zealand approaches an election in 2017 the National government
    is likely to want to be seen to be policing foreign investment more
    strictly to appeal to the populist element in the New Zealand
    electorate," it said.

    Prime Minister John Key announced in April that tax expert John Shewan
    would head a review of the disclosure rules faced by the more than
    11,000 foreign trusts that have been set up in New Zealand. He is due
    to report back by June 30.

    After "bowing to public pressure" it seemed reasonably likely Shewan's
    review would result in "at a minimum, a tightening of the existing
    foreign trust regime and for much more information to be disclosed",
    MSI said.

    That information was likely to include the identity of trust
    appointers, beneficiaries and trust assets, it said.

    "More controls appear likely, so potential foreign investors should
    not delay their investment decisions." "
    覧覧覧覧
    So there we have it - National are giving the clients of the tax haven
    industry time to rearrange their affairs, and the only reason that
    National will eventually do anything is for their image in the lead up
    to the 2017 election.

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to All on Saturday, May 14, 2016 17:15:11
    "JohnO" <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote in message news:3be2c752-36ea-4a0d-b8a6-b82b8f732109@googlegroups.com...
    On Friday, 13 May 2016 11:48:04 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    It is time for real leadership - a big problem affecting many
    countries has been identified, and to the rest of the world New
    Zealand appears to be sitting back trying to deny any problem exists.

    New Zealand used to be regarded as a good world citizen - seeking
    responsible market rules and cooperation. New Zealand has a lot to
    gain from encouraging the closing of tax loopholes internationally
    that enable wealthy individuals and companies to avoid paying tax in
    New Zealand; we should do our part by helping other countries prevent
    their taxpayers and companies avoid tax through our loopholes.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/79914567/panama-papers-is-nz-sweeping-a-reputation-timebomb-under-carpet

    Yawn. Reputations are all relative. NZ has a tiny involvement in the
    Panama Papers. We don't rate a mention here: https://panamapapers.icij.org/graphs/

    .. and you have to go dig deep to find rare mentions of NZ.

    So if our reputation is damaged and it means customers of NZ inc are going elsewhere, then where? Who has less involvement than NZ and a better reputation?

    It's a beat-up. The only risk to NZ's reputation is the sound of the lefty fuckwits all bleating that NZ's reputation is damaged.

    Come on JohnO! Go easy on Rich he's probably getting his arse kicked by the comissars because his trolling hasn't managed to make any difference to
    Labours steady slide into obscurity.

    Hell the only ones who're destroying New Zealands reputation are Labour/Green/WinstonFirst as usual. But leave Rich to his delussions about
    how great the marxist(socialist in Richs deluded world) movement is and how they're the only cure for what ails the world rather than a curse that's
    worse than the problem.

    Pooh

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to Fred on Saturday, May 14, 2016 17:36:39
    "Fred" <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:nh3ga4$4du$1@dont-email.me...
    On 13/05/2016 11:48 a.m., Rich80105 wrote:
    It is time for real leadership - a big problem affecting many
    countries has been identified, and to the rest of the world New
    Zealand appears to be sitting back trying to deny any problem exists.

    New Zealand used to be regarded as a good world citizen - seeking
    responsible market rules and cooperation. New Zealand has a lot to
    gain from encouraging the closing of tax loopholes internationally
    that enable wealthy individuals and companies to avoid paying tax in
    New Zealand; we should do our part by helping other countries prevent
    their taxpayers and companies avoid tax through our loopholes.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/79914567/panama-papers-is-nz-sweeping-a-reputation-timebomb-under-carpet



    How about posting a few urls from foreign newspapers or news-sites so we
    can see the massive damage done to our reputation, that you know about
    but nobody else does

    ?

    With Richies 'technical skills'? Don't hold your breath Fred. Apart from the fact he won't find any worthwhile ones he hasn't got the brains required for the job. Much like his glorious little Andy the union goon :)

    Pooh

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Saturday, May 14, 2016 17:34:37
    "Rich80105" <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:06majbpkpb6ngc5k5d32jvj3ghn8t1tbta@4ax.com...
    On Fri, 13 May 2016 12:35:42 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

    On 5/13/2016 12:23 PM, JohnO wrote:

    Yawn. Reputations are all relative. NZ has a tiny involvement in the
    Panama Papers. We don't rate a mention here:
    https://panamapapers.icij.org/graphs/

    .. and you have to go dig deep to find rare mentions of NZ.

    So if our reputation is damaged and it means customers of NZ inc are
    going elsewhere, then where? Who has less involvement than NZ and a
    better reputation?

    It's a beat-up. The only risk to NZ's reputation is the sound of the
    lefty fuckwits all bleating that NZ's reputation is damaged.


    Yup.
    No-one (apart from the NZ left) give a stuff.
    It's another attempt at dirty politics and like all the others
    not even gnat bites.
    But Liebor should keep it up as it annoys the average voter and promises >>better returns for the Nats

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/79944701/accounting-alliance-warns-foreign-trusts-they-can-expect-tighter-rules

    From that article:
    --------
    "The writing is on the wall for thousands of foreigners who have set
    up foreign trusts in New Zealand, a law and accounting body says.

    MSI Global, which has 250 member companies around the world, said in a statement that New Zealand allowed foreign trusts to be established
    "with minimal oversight or information being provided".

    But it said times were changing in the wake of the Panama Papers leak
    and that "foreign investors would be wise to act now".

    "As New Zealand approaches an election in 2017 the National government
    is likely to want to be seen to be policing foreign investment more
    strictly to appeal to the populist element in the New Zealand
    electorate," it said.

    Prime Minister John Key announced in April that tax expert John Shewan
    would head a review of the disclosure rules faced by the more than
    11,000 foreign trusts that have been set up in New Zealand. He is due
    to report back by June 30.

    After "bowing to public pressure" it seemed reasonably likely Shewan's
    review would result in "at a minimum, a tightening of the existing
    foreign trust regime and for much more information to be disclosed",
    MSI said.

    That information was likely to include the identity of trust
    appointers, beneficiaries and trust assets, it said.

    "More controls appear likely, so potential foreign investors should
    not delay their investment decisions." "
    --------
    So there we have it - National are giving the clients of the tax haven industry time to rearrange their affairs, and the only reason that
    National will eventually do anything is for their image in the lead up
    to the 2017 election.


    First your pissed off because Labour set up a scheme and National changed
    the tax rules. Now your pissed because National is going to tighten the
    rules. Make up what passes for your mind* Rich! Rather than twist the facts
    to fit your own twisted and abusive world.

    Pooh

    *A drug and alchohol soaked one going by Richies increasingly insane
    reactions to Nationals moves to correct so many of Labours cockup:)

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