This is an area where Labour, National and the Green Party have
publicly given simlar aims, so passing the bill, possibly with some >amendments, should be fairly simple, but to help all the parties
understand that it is an issue most New Zealanders want adddressed,
please help by signing here:
http://www.labour.org.nz/healthyhomes
On Mon, 02 May 2016 22:29:49 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:labour.
This is an area where Labour, National and the Green Party have
publicly given simlar aims, so passing the bill, possibly with some
amendments, should be fairly simple, but to help all the parties
understand that it is an issue most New Zealanders want adddressed,
please help by signing here:
http://www.labour.org.nz/healthyhomes
"cold, damp, and unhealthy"
What a load of crap. and another cry of the week from the pinkos.
Theses house have been around for years. With not a word from whining
Some were even build by labour back in 1936.For a start.
Back in the 1930s the little people were thankful.
Now all they do is bitch.
So why should a house built by labour in the 1930.
Accommodated dozens of families suddenly become cold and damp.
One reason is people don't open the fucking windows and air the house out.
On 5/2/2016 11:09 PM, Liberty wrote:Oh dear - first response of the nutters - attack the messenger . . .
On Mon, 02 May 2016 22:29:49 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>
This is an area where Labour, National and the Green Party have
publicly given simlar aims, so passing the bill, possibly with some
amendments, should be fairly simple, but to help all the parties
understand that it is an issue most New Zealanders want adddressed,
please help by signing here:
http://www.labour.org.nz/healthyhomes
"cold, damp, and unhealthy"
What a load of crap. and another cry of the week from the pinkos.
Theses house have been around for years. With not a word from whining labour.
Some were even build by labour back in 1936.
Back in the 1930s the little people were thankful.
Now all they do is bitch.
So why should a house built by labour in the 1930.
Accommodated dozens of families suddenly become cold and damp.
One reason is people don't open the fucking windows and air the house out. For a start.
Rich is to thick to know that.
He thinks all those house just sprang out of the groundSome of them appear to - but of course you knew that
There is too much entitleus and too little getupanddoitExactly - too many dwellings do not meet modern standards; at least
This is an area where Labour, National and the Green Party have
publicly given simlar aims, so passing the bill, possibly with some amendments, should be fairly simple, but to help all the parties
understand that it is an issue most New Zealanders want adddressed,
please help by signing here:
http://www.labour.org.nz/healthyhomes
On Monday, 2 May 2016 22:29:35 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:This is a real issue of interest and concern to New Zealanders, JohnO.
This is an area where Labour, National and the Green Party have
publicly given simlar aims, so passing the bill, possibly with some
amendments, should be fairly simple, but to help all the parties
understand that it is an issue most New Zealanders want adddressed,
please help by signing here:
http://www.labour.org.nz/healthyhomes
Dickbot, why don't take your spamming and piss off?
On Mon, 2 May 2016 13:48:19 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Monday, 2 May 2016 22:29:35 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
This is an area where Labour, National and the Green Party have
publicly given simlar aims, so passing the bill, possibly with some
amendments, should be fairly simple, but to help all the parties
understand that it is an issue most New Zealanders want adddressed,
please help by signing here:
http://www.labour.org.nz/healthyhomes
Dickbot, why don't take your spamming and piss off?This is a real issue of interest and concern to New Zealanders, JohnO.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/302790/'i've-seen-water-oozing-down-the-walls'
What else were you wanting to discuss?
On Tuesday, 3 May 2016 09:51:00 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:is what you did.
On Mon, 2 May 2016 13:48:19 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Monday, 2 May 2016 22:29:35 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
This is an area where Labour, National and the Green Party have
publicly given simlar aims, so passing the bill, possibly with some
amendments, should be fairly simple, but to help all the parties
understand that it is an issue most New Zealanders want adddressed,
please help by signing here:
http://www.labour.org.nz/healthyhomes
Dickbot, why don't take your spamming and piss off?This is a real issue of interest and concern to New Zealanders, JohnO.
Then discuss it - which is what nz.gen is for. It is not for spamming which
just need to be kept clean and ventilated.http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/302790/'i've-seen-water-oozing-down-the-walls'
What else were you wanting to discuss?
If a tenant doesn't like their house they should move out. Most mouldy houses
On Tue, 3 May 2016 08:01:15 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:For a start.
On 5/2/2016 11:09 PM, Liberty wrote:
On Mon, 02 May 2016 22:29:49 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>
This is an area where Labour, National and the Green Party have
publicly given simlar aims, so passing the bill, possibly with some
amendments, should be fairly simple, but to help all the parties
understand that it is an issue most New Zealanders want adddressed,
please help by signing here:
http://www.labour.org.nz/healthyhomes
"cold, damp, and unhealthy"
What a load of crap. and another cry of the week from the pinkos.
Theses house have been around for years. With not a word from whining labour.
Some were even build by labour back in 1936.
Back in the 1930s the little people were thankful.
Now all they do is bitch.
So why should a house built by labour in the 1930.
Accommodated dozens of families suddenly become cold and damp.
One reason is people don't open the fucking windows and air the house out.
Oh dear - first response of the nutters - attack the messenger . . .
Rich is to thick to know that.
He thinks all those house just sprang out of the groundSome of them appear to - but of course you knew that
There is too much entitleus and too little getupanddoitExactly - too many dwellings do not meet modern standards; at least
one child has died as a result, and it is costing us too much in
medical services, and poorer personal development for children brought
up in unhealthy homes. Nobody is entitled to continue to provide
substandard services that cost taxpayers, against reasonable
regulation by local authorities or the New Zealand government; we need
to have the appropriate rule for those landlards that a ripping people
off in substandard accomodation - they should just get up and do it,
but evidence suggeststhat they are not doing that.
Just sign the petition george, and we will get the "getupanddoit" you
are clling for.
This is an area where Labour, National and the Green Party have
publicly given simlar aims, so passing the bill, possibly with some amendments, should be fairly simple, but to help all the parties
understand that it is an issue most New Zealanders want adddressed,
please help by signing here:
http://www.labour.org.nz/healthyhomes
On 2/05/2016 10:29 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:
This is an area where Labour, National and the Green Party have
publicly given simlar aims, so passing the bill, possibly with some
amendments, should be fairly simple, but to help all the parties
understand that it is an issue most New Zealanders want adddressed,
please help by signing here:
http://www.labour.org.nz/healthyhomes
What standard of heating will be required?
Will it be different between North and South Island?
Will all locations require ventilation systems?
On 2/05/2016 10:29 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:
This is an area where Labour, National and the Green Party have
publicly given simlar aims, so passing the bill, possibly with some
amendments, should be fairly simple, but to help all the parties
understand that it is an issue most New Zealanders want adddressed,
please help by signing here:
http://www.labour.org.nz/healthyhomes
What standard of heating will be required?
Will it be different between North and South Island?
Will all locations require ventilation systems?
A modern house might be more cosy but just because a house was built
In the 1930s it doesn't mean it is unhealthy.
The older house is more flexible to conditions. They naturally breathed .
The Modern house is sealed. Cost a lot less to heat but if you don't
Open the windows you will get mold.
On 2016-05-02, Liberty <liberty48@live.com> wrote:
A modern house might be more cosy but just because a house was built
In the 1930s it doesn't mean it is unhealthy.
The older house is more flexible to conditions. They naturally breathed .
The Modern house is sealed. Cost a lot less to heat but if you don't
Open the windows you will get mold.
In the good old days the open fire did wonders to venterlate the house. As has been pointed out modern(er) houses are so well sealed that one has to venterlate them.
On 5/3/2016 5:23 PM, Gordon wrote:
On 2016-05-02, Liberty <liberty48@live.com> wrote:According to the news this morning Liebor are presenting legislation
A modern house might be more cosy but just because a house was built
In the 1930s it doesn't mean it is unhealthy.
The older house is more flexible to conditions. They naturally breathed . >>> The Modern house is sealed. Cost a lot less to heat but if you don't
Open the windows you will get mold.
In the good old days the open fire did wonders to venterlate the house. As >> has been pointed out modern(er) houses are so well sealed that one has to
venterlate them.
that every rental house in NZ has to have a $5000 heater.
So suddenly firms will have to produce hundreds of thousands of units to
fill the need.
Landlords will raise the rent and a lot of those who claim they cannot
get by now will end up in their cars and add to the respiratory diseases
in children...
Good thing Liebor is looking out for the underprivileged
On 5/3/2016 5:23 PM, Gordon wrote:
On 2016-05-02, Liberty <liberty48@live.com> wrote:According to the news this morning Liebor are presenting legislation
A modern house might be more cosy but just because a house was built
In the 1930s it doesn't mean it is unhealthy.
The older house is more flexible to conditions. They naturally breathed . >>> The Modern house is sealed. Cost a lot less to heat but if you don't
Open the windows you will get mold.
In the good old days the open fire did wonders to venterlate the house. As >> has been pointed out modern(er) houses are so well sealed that one has to
venterlate them.
that every rental house in NZ has to have a $5000 heater.
So suddenly firms will have to produce hundreds of thousands of units to
fill the need.
Landlords will raise the rent and a lot of those who claim they cannot
get by now will end up in their cars and add to the respiratory diseases
in children...
Good thing Liebor is looking out for the underprivileged
On Tue, 3 May 2016 14:29:43 +1200, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 2/05/2016 10:29 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:
This is an area where Labour, National and the Green Party have
publicly given simlar aims, so passing the bill, possibly with some
amendments, should be fairly simple, but to help all the parties
understand that it is an issue most New Zealanders want adddressed,
please help by signing here:
http://www.labour.org.nz/healthyhomes
What standard of heating will be required?
Will it be different between North and South Island?
Will all locations require ventilation systems?
Good points, Fred, which I would expect would be similar to the
standards the Housing Corporation uses for dwellings that it owns, it
makes sense that R-rating in the far north may not need to be at the
same level as inthe far South, and I would not expect them to
necessarily meet the same standards as for a newbuild - for example it
is not always practical to double glaze all windows.
On 3/05/2016 5:03 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:
On Tue, 3 May 2016 14:29:43 +1200, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:Do you think the tenants can afford these things?
On 2/05/2016 10:29 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:
This is an area where Labour, National and the Green Party have
publicly given simlar aims, so passing the bill, possibly with some
amendments, should be fairly simple, but to help all the parties
understand that it is an issue most New Zealanders want adddressed,
please help by signing here:
http://www.labour.org.nz/healthyhomes
What standard of heating will be required?
Will it be different between North and South Island?
Will all locations require ventilation systems?
Good points, Fred, which I would expect would be similar to the
standards the Housing Corporation uses for dwellings that it owns, it
makes sense that R-rating in the far north may not need to be at the
same level as inthe far South, and I would not expect them to
necessarily meet the same standards as for a newbuild - for example it
is not always practical to double glaze all windows.
On 3/05/2016 5:03 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:
Good points, Fred, which I would expect would be similar to theDo you think the tenants can afford these things?
standards the Housing Corporation uses for dwellings that it owns, it
makes sense that R-rating in the far north may not need to be at the
same level as inthe far South, and I would not expect them to
necessarily meet the same standards as for a newbuild - for example it
is not always practical to double glaze all windows.
On 5/5/2016 8:41 AM, Fred wrote:
On 3/05/2016 5:03 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:
Good points, Fred, which I would expect would be similar to theDo you think the tenants can afford these things?
standards the Housing Corporation uses for dwellings that it owns, it
makes sense that R-rating in the far north may not need to be at the
same level as inthe far South, and I would not expect them to
necessarily meet the same standards as for a newbuild - for example it
is not always practical to double glaze all windows.
My question is "Can the tenants afford the rise in rents that this will >bring?"
On Thursday, 5 May 2016 11:58:51 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:make sense out of the incoherent drivel your are posting.
I am sure george has no idea what you are talking about. I certainly cannot
People have been living in the same houses for generations, Dickbot. Why isthis dry and warm thing such an issue all of a sudden? Despite improvements in insulation already? Despite global warming even?
Let me tell you... it is because some people are too stupid/lazy to ventilatetheir houses and keep them clean.
On Thu, 5 May 2016 11:07:27 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 5/5/2016 8:41 AM, Fred wrote:
On 3/05/2016 5:03 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:
Good points, Fred, which I would expect would be similar to theDo you think the tenants can afford these things?
standards the Housing Corporation uses for dwellings that it owns, it
makes sense that R-rating in the far north may not need to be at the
same level as inthe far South, and I would not expect them to
necessarily meet the same standards as for a newbuild - for example it >>> is not always practical to double glaze all windows.
My question is "Can the tenants afford the rise in rents that this will >bring?"
Leaving aside whether there will be any rise in rents (according to
free market thinking, if a landlord asks more than prospective tenants
can afford, then of course the property will go unlet).
But of course
we do not live in a totally free market economy - many of the rental properties which would need work under the legislation being
considered don't earn enough to meet current rents - so the
government in its wisdom recognises that by subsidising employers
through accomodation supplements - working for lower wages gives
better profits, and when that doesn;t work becuase workers don't have
enough to live on, then government supplements lock in those extra
profits - isn't that what you want from our government, george?
But look at it from a different direction
- can the country afford not
to require homes to be dry and warm? The cost to the health system
alone is enormous, but it also affects child development nad
education, causing further problems for the future.
After all, there is a history of minimum requirements for a lot of
things - hygiene regulations for food handling, seat belts for people
in motor vehicles - they are as much about saving health costs as
about saving lives.
This is an area where Labour, National and the Green Party have
publicly given simlar aims, so passing the bill, possibly with some amendments, should be fairly simple, but to help all the parties
understand that it is an issue most New Zealanders want adddressed,
please help by signing here:
http://www.labour.org.nz/healthyhomes
On Mon, 02 May 2016 22:29:49 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
This is an area where Labour, National and the Green Party have
publicly given simlar aims, so passing the bill, possibly with some >>amendments, should be fairly simple, but to help all the parties
understand that it is an issue most New Zealanders want adddressed,
please help by signing here:
http://www.labour.org.nz/healthyhomes
"cold, damp, and unhealthy"
What a load of crap. and another cry of the week from the pinkos.
Theses house have been around for years. With not a word from whining labour.
Some were even build by labour back in 1936.
Back in the 1930s the little people were thankful.
Now all they do is bitch.
So why should a house built by labour in the 1930.
Accommodated dozens of families suddenly become cold and damp.
One reason is people don't open the fucking windows and air the house
out. For a start.
On Tue, 3 May 2016 08:01:15 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 5/2/2016 11:09 PM, Liberty wrote:Oh dear - first response of the nutters - attack the messenger . . .
On Mon, 02 May 2016 22:29:49 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
This is an area where Labour, National and the Green Party have
publicly given simlar aims, so passing the bill, possibly with some
amendments, should be fairly simple, but to help all the parties
understand that it is an issue most New Zealanders want adddressed,
please help by signing here:
http://www.labour.org.nz/healthyhomes
"cold, damp, and unhealthy"
What a load of crap. and another cry of the week from the pinkos.
Theses house have been around for years. With not a word from whining
labour.
Some were even build by labour back in 1936.
Back in the 1930s the little people were thankful.
Now all they do is bitch.
So why should a house built by labour in the 1930.
Accommodated dozens of families suddenly become cold and damp.
One reason is people don't open the fucking windows and air the house
out. For a start.
Rich is to thick to know that.
He thinks all those house just sprang out of the groundSome of them appear to - but of course you knew that
There is too much entitleus and too little getupanddoitExactly - too many dwellings do not meet modern standards; at least
one child has died as a result, and it is costing us too much in
medical services, and poorer personal development for children brought
up in unhealthy homes. Nobody is entitled to continue to provide
substandard services that cost taxpayers, against reasonable
regulation by local authorities or the New Zealand government; we need
to have the appropriate rule for those landlards that a ripping people
off in substandard accomodation - they should just get up and do it,
but evidence suggeststhat they are not doing that.
Just sign the petition george, and we will get the "getupanddoit" you
are clling for.
On Wed, 4 May 2016 07:57:46 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 5/3/2016 5:23 PM, Gordon wrote:
On 2016-05-02, Liberty <liberty48@live.com> wrote:According to the news this morning Liebor are presenting legislation
A modern house might be more cosy but just because a house was built
In the 1930s it doesn't mean it is unhealthy.
The older house is more flexible to conditions. They naturally breathed >>>> .
The Modern house is sealed. Cost a lot less to heat but if you don't
Open the windows you will get mold.
In the good old days the open fire did wonders to venterlate the house.
As
has been pointed out modern(er) houses are so well sealed that one has
to
venterlate them.
that every rental house in NZ has to have a $5000 heater.
So suddenly firms will have to produce hundreds of thousands of units to >>fill the need.
Landlords will raise the rent and a lot of those who claim they cannot
get by now will end up in their cars and add to the respiratory diseases
in children...
Good thing Liebor is looking out for the underprivileged
Which radio station?
On Thu, 5 May 2016 11:07:27 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 5/5/2016 8:41 AM, Fred wrote:
On 3/05/2016 5:03 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:
Good points, Fred, which I would expect would be similar to theDo you think the tenants can afford these things?
standards the Housing Corporation uses for dwellings that it owns, it
makes sense that R-rating in the far north may not need to be at the
same level as inthe far South, and I would not expect them to
necessarily meet the same standards as for a newbuild - for example it >>>> is not always practical to double glaze all windows.
My question is "Can the tenants afford the rise in rents that this will >>bring?"
Leaving aside whether there will be any rise in rents (according to
free market thinking, if a landlord asks more than prospective tenants
can afford, then of course the property will go unlet). But of course
we do not live in a totally free market economy - many of the rental properties which would need work under the legislation being
considered don't earn enough to meet current rents - so the
government in its wisdom recognises that by subsidising employers
through accomodation supplements - working for lower wages gives
better profits, and when that doesn;t work becuase workers don't have
enough to live on, then government supplements lock in those extra
profits - isn't that what you want from our government, george?
But look at it from a different direction - can the country afford not
to require homes to be dry and warm? The cost to the health system
alone is enormous, but it also affects child development nad
education, causing further problems for the future.
After all, there is a history of minimum requirements for a lot of
things - hygiene regulations for food handling, seat belts for people
in motor vehicles - they are as much about saving health costs as
about saving lives.
On 5/3/2016 5:23 PM, Gordon wrote:
On 2016-05-02, Liberty <liberty48@live.com> wrote:According to the news this morning Liebor are presenting legislation
A modern house might be more cosy but just because a house was built
In the 1930s it doesn't mean it is unhealthy.
The older house is more flexible to conditions. They naturally breathed
.
The Modern house is sealed. Cost a lot less to heat but if you don't
Open the windows you will get mold.
In the good old days the open fire did wonders to venterlate the house.
As has been pointed out modern(er) houses are so well sealed that one has
to venterlate them.
that every rental house in NZ has to have a $5000 heater.
So suddenly firms will have to produce hundreds of thousands of units to
fill the need.
Landlords will raise the rent and a lot of those who claim they cannot
get by now will end up in their cars and add to the respiratory diseases
in children...
Good thing Liebor is looking out for the underprivileged
george152 wrote:
On 5/3/2016 5:23 PM, Gordon wrote:
On 2016-05-02, Liberty <liberty48@live.com> wrote:According to the news this morning Liebor are presenting legislation
A modern house might be more cosy but just because a house was built
In the 1930s it doesn't mean it is unhealthy.
The older house is more flexible to conditions. They naturally breathed >>>> .
The Modern house is sealed. Cost a lot less to heat but if you don't
Open the windows you will get mold.
In the good old days the open fire did wonders to venterlate the house.
As has been pointed out modern(er) houses are so well sealed that one has >>> to venterlate them.
that every rental house in NZ has to have a $5000 heater.
So suddenly firms will have to produce hundreds of thousands of units to
fill the need.
Landlords will raise the rent and a lot of those who claim they cannot
get by now will end up in their cars and add to the respiratory diseases
in children...
Good thing Liebor is looking out for the underprivileged
A $5000 heater? That's nuts. Talk about making rentals even more >unaffordable.
On Fri, 13 May 2016 16:39:09 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
george152 wrote:
On 5/3/2016 5:23 PM, Gordon wrote:
On 2016-05-02, Liberty <liberty48@live.com> wrote:According to the news this morning Liebor are presenting legislation
A modern house might be more cosy but just because a house was built >>>>> In the 1930s it doesn't mean it is unhealthy.
The older house is more flexible to conditions. They naturally
breathed .
The Modern house is sealed. Cost a lot less to heat but if you don't >>>>> Open the windows you will get mold.
In the good old days the open fire did wonders to venterlate the house. >>>> As has been pointed out modern(er) houses are so well sealed that one
has to venterlate them.
that every rental house in NZ has to have a $5000 heater.
So suddenly firms will have to produce hundreds of thousands of units to >>> fill the need.
Landlords will raise the rent and a lot of those who claim they cannot
get by now will end up in their cars and add to the respiratory diseases >>> in children...
Good thing Liebor is looking out for the underprivileged
A $5000 heater? That's nuts. Talk about making rentals even more >>unaffordable.
It certainly seems more like Nat-spin - I note george carefully did
not give a cite for his assertion
Rich80105 wrote:Which is drifting a bit - all dwellings should be able to be heated
On Fri, 13 May 2016 16:39:09 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
george152 wrote:
On 5/3/2016 5:23 PM, Gordon wrote:
On 2016-05-02, Liberty <liberty48@live.com> wrote:According to the news this morning Liebor are presenting legislation
A modern house might be more cosy but just because a house was built >>>>>> In the 1930s it doesn't mean it is unhealthy.
The older house is more flexible to conditions. They naturally
breathed .
The Modern house is sealed. Cost a lot less to heat but if you don't >>>>>> Open the windows you will get mold.
In the good old days the open fire did wonders to venterlate the house. >>>>> As has been pointed out modern(er) houses are so well sealed that one >>>>> has to venterlate them.
that every rental house in NZ has to have a $5000 heater.
So suddenly firms will have to produce hundreds of thousands of units to >>>> fill the need.
Landlords will raise the rent and a lot of those who claim they cannot >>>> get by now will end up in their cars and add to the respiratory diseases >>>> in children...
Good thing Liebor is looking out for the underprivileged
A $5000 heater? That's nuts. Talk about making rentals even more >>>unaffordable.
It certainly seems more like Nat-spin - I note george carefully did
not give a cite for his assertion
The only people that should be responsible for heating a house are those
that live in it.
Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 13 May 2016 16:39:09 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
george152 wrote:
On 5/3/2016 5:23 PM, Gordon wrote:
On 2016-05-02, Liberty <liberty48@live.com> wrote:According to the news this morning Liebor are presenting legislation
A modern house might be more cosy but just because a house was built >>>>>> In the 1930s it doesn't mean it is unhealthy.
The older house is more flexible to conditions. They naturally
breathed .
The Modern house is sealed. Cost a lot less to heat but if you don't >>>>>> Open the windows you will get mold.
In the good old days the open fire did wonders to venterlate the house. >>>>> As has been pointed out modern(er) houses are so well sealed that one >>>>> has to venterlate them.
that every rental house in NZ has to have a $5000 heater.
So suddenly firms will have to produce hundreds of thousands of units to >>>> fill the need.
Landlords will raise the rent and a lot of those who claim they cannot >>>> get by now will end up in their cars and add to the respiratory diseases >>>> in children...
Good thing Liebor is looking out for the underprivileged
A $5000 heater? That's nuts. Talk about making rentals even more
unaffordable.
It certainly seems more like Nat-spin - I note george carefully did
not give a cite for his assertion
The only people that should be responsible for heating a house are those
that live in it.
george152 wrote:
On 5/3/2016 5:23 PM, Gordon wrote:
On 2016-05-02, Liberty <liberty48@live.com> wrote:According to the news this morning Liebor are presenting legislation
A modern house might be more cosy but just because a house was built
In the 1930s it doesn't mean it is unhealthy.
The older house is more flexible to conditions. They naturally breathed >>>> .
The Modern house is sealed. Cost a lot less to heat but if you don't
Open the windows you will get mold.
In the good old days the open fire did wonders to venterlate the house.
As has been pointed out modern(er) houses are so well sealed that one has >>> to venterlate them.
that every rental house in NZ has to have a $5000 heater.
So suddenly firms will have to produce hundreds of thousands of units to
fill the need.
Landlords will raise the rent and a lot of those who claim they cannot
get by now will end up in their cars and add to the respiratory diseases
in children...
Good thing Liebor is looking out for the underprivileged
A $5000 heater? That's nuts. Talk about making rentals even more unaffordable.
On 5/13/2016 4:39 PM, Allistar wrote:
george152 wrote:
On 5/3/2016 5:23 PM, Gordon wrote:
On 2016-05-02, Liberty <liberty48@live.com> wrote:According to the news this morning Liebor are presenting legislation
A modern house might be more cosy but just because a house was built >>>> In the 1930s it doesn't mean it is unhealthy.
The older house is more flexible to conditions. They naturally breathed >>>> .
The Modern house is sealed. Cost a lot less to heat but if you don't >>>> Open the windows you will get mold.
In the good old days the open fire did wonders to venterlate the house. >>> As has been pointed out modern(er) houses are so well sealed that one has >>> to venterlate them.
that every rental house in NZ has to have a $5000 heater.
So suddenly firms will have to produce hundreds of thousands of units to >> fill the need.
Landlords will raise the rent and a lot of those who claim they cannot
get by now will end up in their cars and add to the respiratory diseases >> in children...
Good thing Liebor is looking out for the underprivileged
A $5000 heater? That's nuts. Talk about making rentals even more unaffordable.
These 'cold' houses have been around for a long time and many families
have lived in and grown up in them.
But then housekeeping included cleaning and child care came with
jersies, jackets and common sense.
Some people have always lived in unfit accommodation and, I might add,
during those periods when Liebor were government but I don't recall
this subject arising back then
On 5/13/2016 8:33 PM, Allistar wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:That's a concept that exceeds Riches feeble gasp of reality
On Fri, 13 May 2016 16:39:09 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
george152 wrote:
On 5/3/2016 5:23 PM, Gordon wrote:
On 2016-05-02, Liberty <liberty48@live.com> wrote:According to the news this morning Liebor are presenting legislation >>>>> that every rental house in NZ has to have a $5000 heater.
A modern house might be more cosy but just because a house was built >>>>>>> In the 1930s it doesn't mean it is unhealthy.
The older house is more flexible to conditions. They naturally
breathed .
The Modern house is sealed. Cost a lot less to heat but if you don't >>>>>>> Open the windows you will get mold.
In the good old days the open fire did wonders to venterlate the house. >>>>>> As has been pointed out modern(er) houses are so well sealed that one >>>>>> has to venterlate them.
So suddenly firms will have to produce hundreds of thousands of units to >>>>> fill the need.
Landlords will raise the rent and a lot of those who claim they cannot >>>>> get by now will end up in their cars and add to the respiratory diseases >>>>> in children...
Good thing Liebor is looking out for the underprivileged
A $5000 heater? That's nuts. Talk about making rentals even more
unaffordable.
It certainly seems more like Nat-spin - I note george carefully did
not give a cite for his assertion
The only people that should be responsible for heating a house are those
that live in it.
On Fri, 13 May 2016 16:39:09 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
george152 wrote:
On 5/3/2016 5:23 PM, Gordon wrote:
On 2016-05-02, Liberty <liberty48@live.com> wrote:According to the news this morning Liebor are presenting legislation
A modern house might be more cosy but just because a house was built >>>>> In the 1930s it doesn't mean it is unhealthy.
The older house is more flexible to conditions. They naturally
breathed
.
The Modern house is sealed. Cost a lot less to heat but if you don't >>>>> Open the windows you will get mold.
In the good old days the open fire did wonders to venterlate the house. >>>> As has been pointed out modern(er) houses are so well sealed that one
has
to venterlate them.
that every rental house in NZ has to have a $5000 heater.
So suddenly firms will have to produce hundreds of thousands of units to >>> fill the need.
Landlords will raise the rent and a lot of those who claim they cannot
get by now will end up in their cars and add to the respiratory diseases >>> in children...
Good thing Liebor is looking out for the underprivileged
A $5000 heater? That's nuts. Talk about making rentals even more >>unaffordable.
It certainly seems more like Nat-spin - I note george carefully did
not give a cite for his assertion
On 5/13/2016 4:39 PM, Allistar wrote:
george152 wrote:These 'cold' houses have been around for a long time and many families
On 5/3/2016 5:23 PM, Gordon wrote:
On 2016-05-02, Liberty <liberty48@live.com> wrote:According to the news this morning Liebor are presenting legislation
A modern house might be more cosy but just because a house was built >>>>> In the 1930s it doesn't mean it is unhealthy.
The older house is more flexible to conditions. They naturally
breathed
.
The Modern house is sealed. Cost a lot less to heat but if you don't >>>>> Open the windows you will get mold.
In the good old days the open fire did wonders to venterlate the house. >>>> As has been pointed out modern(er) houses are so well sealed that one
has
to venterlate them.
that every rental house in NZ has to have a $5000 heater.
So suddenly firms will have to produce hundreds of thousands of units to >>> fill the need.
Landlords will raise the rent and a lot of those who claim they cannot
get by now will end up in their cars and add to the respiratory diseases >>> in children...
Good thing Liebor is looking out for the underprivileged
A $5000 heater? That's nuts. Talk about making rentals even more
unaffordable.
have lived in and grown up in them.
But then housekeeping included cleaning and child care came with jersies, jackets and common sense.
Some people have always lived in unfit accommodation and, I might add,
during those periods when Liebor were government but I don't recall this subject arising back then
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