Hi my step dad recently passed away and he left his big greenstone in the car.My mum took it out and has it hanging up in a bag in wardrobe.
Hi my step dad recently passed away and he left his big greenstone in thecar. My mum took it out and has it hanging up in a bag in wardrobe. She wants to get necklaces made out of it as its a slab, but I don't know if that counts as "tapu" please help?
On 5/3/2016 12:32 AM, krystal.dog60@gmail.com wrote:help?
Hi my step dad recently passed away and he left his big greenstone in the car. My mum took it out and has it hanging up in a bag in wardrobe. She wants to get necklaces made out of it as its a slab, but I don't know if that counts as "tapu" please
As its a piece of greenstone its a piece of rock.
To do with what you want. It's your families bit of rock
On Tue, 3 May 2016 08:04:31 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 5/3/2016 12:32 AM, krystal.dog60@gmail.com wrote:
Hi my step dad recently passed away and he left his big greenstone inAs its a piece of greenstone its a piece of rock.
the car. My mum took it out and has it hanging up in a bag in wardrobe.
She wants to get necklaces made out of it as its a slab, but I don't
know if that counts as "tapu" please help?
To do with what you want. It's your families bit of rock
A lot of value can be lost if the stone is not worked in the best
possible way. I suggest seeking expert advice - not likely to be
foundreading your mothers stone from nz.general - an expert will be
able to advise if there are any legal or cultural issues that need to
be allowed for.
Rich80105 wrote:Just covering possibilities. There may be no such issues, but just as
On Tue, 3 May 2016 08:04:31 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 5/3/2016 12:32 AM, krystal.dog60@gmail.com wrote:
Hi my step dad recently passed away and he left his big greenstone inAs its a piece of greenstone its a piece of rock.
the car. My mum took it out and has it hanging up in a bag in wardrobe. >>>> She wants to get necklaces made out of it as its a slab, but I don't
know if that counts as "tapu" please help?
To do with what you want. It's your families bit of rock
A lot of value can be lost if the stone is not worked in the best
possible way. I suggest seeking expert advice - not likely to be
foundreading your mothers stone from nz.general - an expert will be
able to advise if there are any legal or cultural issues that need to
be allowed for.
Legal issues to cut your own rock? Are you serious?
On Tue, 03 May 2016 09:22:42 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:Just covering possibilities. There may be no such issues, but just as
On Tue, 3 May 2016 08:04:31 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 5/3/2016 12:32 AM, krystal.dog60@gmail.com wrote:
Hi my step dad recently passed away and he left his big greenstone in >>>>> the car. My mum took it out and has it hanging up in a bag in wardrobe. >>>>> She wants to get necklaces made out of it as its a slab, but I don't >>>>> know if that counts as "tapu" please help?As its a piece of greenstone its a piece of rock.
To do with what you want. It's your families bit of rock
A lot of value can be lost if the stone is not worked in the best
possible way. I suggest seeking expert advice - not likely to be
foundreading your mothers stone from nz.general - an expert will be
able to advise if there are any legal or cultural issues that need to
be allowed for.
Legal issues to cut your own rock? Are you serious?
well to know.
On Tue, 3 May 2016 08:04:31 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:My mum took it out and has it hanging up in a bag in wardrobe.
On 5/3/2016 12:32 AM, krystal.dog60@gmail.com wrote:
Hi my step dad recently passed away and he left his big greenstone in the car.
As its a piece of greenstone its a piece of rock.
To do with what you want. It's your families bit of rock
A lot of value can be lost if the stone is not worked in the best
possible way. I suggest seeking expert advice - not likely to be
foundreading your mothers stone from nz.general - an expert will be
able to advise if there are any legal or cultural issues that need to
be allowed for.
On Tue, 03 May 2016 09:22:42 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:Just covering possibilities. There may be no such issues, but just as
On Tue, 3 May 2016 08:04:31 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 5/3/2016 12:32 AM, krystal.dog60@gmail.com wrote:
Hi my step dad recently passed away and he left his big greenstone in >>>>> the car. My mum took it out and has it hanging up in a bag inAs its a piece of greenstone its a piece of rock.
wardrobe. She wants to get necklaces made out of it as its a slab, but >>>>> I don't know if that counts as "tapu" please help?
To do with what you want. It's your families bit of rock
A lot of value can be lost if the stone is not worked in the best
possible way. I suggest seeking expert advice - not likely to be
foundreading your mothers stone from nz.general - an expert will be
able to advise if there are any legal or cultural issues that need to
be allowed for.
Legal issues to cut your own rock? Are you serious?
well to know.
On Tue, 03 May 2016 09:17:50 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:that counts as "tapu" please help?
On Tue, 3 May 2016 08:04:31 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:My mum took it out and has it hanging up in a bag in wardrobe.
On 5/3/2016 12:32 AM, krystal.dog60@gmail.com wrote:
Hi my step dad recently passed away and he left his big greenstone in the car.
She wants to get necklaces made out of it as its a slab, but I don't know if
As its a piece of greenstone its a piece of rock.
To do with what you want. It's your families bit of rock
A lot of value can be lost if the stone is not worked in the best
possible way. I suggest seeking expert advice - not likely to be
foundreading your mothers stone from nz.general - an expert will be
able to advise if there are any legal or cultural issues that need to
be allowed for.
Its only a rock.
Imbuing a rock with magical powers or superstition is nearly as ridiculous
as thinking there's an invisible being watching over everyone. The sooner we're rid of such nonsense the better.
On 3/05/2016 11:07 a.m., Liberty wrote:
On Tue, 03 May 2016 09:17:50 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>And Labour aren't in power - so you can do what you like with your own property.
wrote:
On Tue, 3 May 2016 08:04:31 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:My mum took it out and has it hanging up in a bag in wardrobe.
On 5/3/2016 12:32 AM, krystal.dog60@gmail.com wrote:
Hi my step dad recently passed away and he left his big greenstone
in the car.
She wants to get necklaces made out of it as its a slab, but I don't
know if that counts as "tapu" please help?
As its a piece of greenstone its a piece of rock.
To do with what you want. It's your families bit of rock
A lot of value can be lost if the stone is not worked in the best
possible way. I suggest seeking expert advice - not likely to be
foundreading your mothers stone from nz.general - an expert will be
able to advise if there are any legal or cultural issues that need to
be allowed for.
Its only a rock.
Rich80105 wrote:
On Tue, 03 May 2016 09:22:42 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:Just covering possibilities. There may be no such issues, but just as
On Tue, 3 May 2016 08:04:31 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 5/3/2016 12:32 AM, krystal.dog60@gmail.com wrote:
Hi my step dad recently passed away and he left his big greenstone in >>>>>> the car. My mum took it out and has it hanging up in a bag inAs its a piece of greenstone its a piece of rock.
wardrobe. She wants to get necklaces made out of it as its a slab, but >>>>>> I don't know if that counts as "tapu" please help?
To do with what you want. It's your families bit of rock
A lot of value can be lost if the stone is not worked in the best
possible way. I suggest seeking expert advice - not likely to be
foundreading your mothers stone from nz.general - an expert will be
able to advise if there are any legal or cultural issues that need to
be allowed for.
Legal issues to cut your own rock? Are you serious?
well to know.
Imbuing a rock with magical powers or superstition is nearly as ridiculous
as thinking there's an invisible being watching over everyone. The sooner >we're rid of such nonsense the better.
On Tue, 03 May 2016 09:17:50 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:that counts as "tapu" please help?
On Tue, 3 May 2016 08:04:31 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:My mum took it out and has it hanging up in a bag in wardrobe.
On 5/3/2016 12:32 AM, krystal.dog60@gmail.com wrote:
Hi my step dad recently passed away and he left his big greenstone in the car.
She wants to get necklaces made out of it as its a slab, but I don't know if
As its a piece of greenstone its a piece of rock.
To do with what you want. It's your families bit of rock
A lot of value can be lost if the stone is not worked in the best
possible way. I suggest seeking expert advice - not likely to be
foundreading your mothers stone from nz.general - an expert will be
able to advise if there are any legal or cultural issues that need to
be allowed for.
Its only a rock.
On 3/05/2016 11:07 a.m., Liberty wrote:car.
On Tue, 03 May 2016 09:17:50 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>
On Tue, 3 May 2016 08:04:31 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 5/3/2016 12:32 AM, krystal.dog60@gmail.com wrote:
Hi my step dad recently passed away and he left his big greenstone in the
that counts as "tapu" please help?My mum took it out and has it hanging up in a bag in wardrobe.
She wants to get necklaces made out of it as its a slab, but I don't know if
And Labour aren't in power - so you can do what you like with your own >property.As its a piece of greenstone its a piece of rock.
To do with what you want. It's your families bit of rock
A lot of value can be lost if the stone is not worked in the best
possible way. I suggest seeking expert advice - not likely to be
foundreading your mothers stone from nz.general - an expert will be
able to advise if there are any legal or cultural issues that need to
be allowed for.
Its only a rock.
On 3/05/2016 11:43 a.m., Allistar wrote:
Imbuing a rock with magical powers or superstition is nearly as
ridiculous as thinking there's an invisible being watching over everyone.
The sooner we're rid of such nonsense the better.
Why do gems cost more ?
Is their value a superstition ?
On Tue, 3 May 2016 12:43:54 +1200, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 3/05/2016 11:07 a.m., Liberty wrote:
On Tue, 03 May 2016 09:17:50 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>And Labour aren't in power - so you can do what you like with your own >>property.
wrote:
On Tue, 3 May 2016 08:04:31 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:My mum took it out and has it hanging up in a bag in wardrobe.
On 5/3/2016 12:32 AM, krystal.dog60@gmail.com wrote:
Hi my step dad recently passed away and he left his big greenstone in >>>>>> the car.
She wants to get necklaces made out of it as its a slab, but I don't
know if that counts as "tapu" please help?
As its a piece of greenstone its a piece of rock.
To do with what you want. It's your families bit of rock
A lot of value can be lost if the stone is not worked in the best
possible way. I suggest seeking expert advice - not likely to be
foundreading your mothers stone from nz.general - an expert will be
able to advise if there are any legal or cultural issues that need to
be allowed for.
Its only a rock.
Unless it breaks the many laws that have not changed since National
came into office - indeed they have acquired quite a bit of property
for roading purposes . . . . There is no need to bring partisan
politics into everything, Fred.
On Tue, 03 May 2016 09:22:42 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:Just covering possibilities. There may be no such issues, but just as
On Tue, 3 May 2016 08:04:31 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 5/3/2016 12:32 AM, krystal.dog60@gmail.com wrote:
Hi my step dad recently passed away and he left his big greenstone in >>>>> the car. My mum took it out and has it hanging up in a bag inAs its a piece of greenstone its a piece of rock.
wardrobe. She wants to get necklaces made out of it as its a slab, but >>>>> I don't know if that counts as "tapu" please help?
To do with what you want. It's your families bit of rock
A lot of value can be lost if the stone is not worked in the best
possible way. I suggest seeking expert advice - not likely to be
foundreading your mothers stone from nz.general - an expert will be
able to advise if there are any legal or cultural issues that need to
be allowed for.
Legal issues to cut your own rock? Are you serious?
well to know.
On Tue, 03 May 2016 11:43:58 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
On Tue, 03 May 2016 09:22:42 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:Just covering possibilities. There may be no such issues, but just as
On Tue, 3 May 2016 08:04:31 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote: >>>>>
On 5/3/2016 12:32 AM, krystal.dog60@gmail.com wrote:
Hi my step dad recently passed away and he left his big greenstone >>>>>>> in the car. My mum took it out and has it hanging up in a bag in >>>>>>> wardrobe. She wants to get necklaces made out of it as its a slab, >>>>>>> but I don't know if that counts as "tapu" please help?As its a piece of greenstone its a piece of rock.
To do with what you want. It's your families bit of rock
A lot of value can be lost if the stone is not worked in the best
possible way. I suggest seeking expert advice - not likely to be
foundreading your mothers stone from nz.general - an expert will be
able to advise if there are any legal or cultural issues that need to >>>>> be allowed for.
Legal issues to cut your own rock? Are you serious?
well to know.
Imbuing a rock with magical powers or superstition is nearly as ridiculous >>as thinking there's an invisible being watching over everyone. The sooner >>we're rid of such nonsense the better.
It is commonsense to be careful with something valuable like a slab of greenstone to maximise value, even if it is not proposed to sell in
the short term.
What your personal religious beliefs are does not
stop others having their own views..
On 3/05/2016 11:07 a.m., Liberty wrote:The crown jewels are not one rock or one type of rock..
On Tue, 03 May 2016 09:17:50 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 3 May 2016 08:04:31 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:My mum took it out and has it hanging up in a bag in wardrobe.
On 5/3/2016 12:32 AM, krystal.dog60@gmail.com wrote:
Hi my step dad recently passed away and he left his big greenstone
in the car.
She wants to get necklaces made out of it as its a slab, but I don't
know if that counts as "tapu" please help?
As its a piece of greenstone its a piece of rock.
To do with what you want. It's your families bit of rock
A lot of value can be lost if the stone is not worked in the best
possible way. I suggest seeking expert advice - not likely to be
foundreading your mothers stone from nz.general - an expert will be
able to advise if there are any legal or cultural issues that need to
be allowed for.
Its only a rock.
So are the Crown Jewels
On Mon, 2 May 2016 05:32:06 -0700 (PDT), krystal.dog60@gmail.com wrote:that counts as "tapu" please help?
Hi my step dad recently passed away and he left his big greenstone in the car.My mum took it out and has it hanging up in a bag in wardrobe.
She wants to get necklaces made out of it as its a slab, but I don't know if
Get the necklaces made and enjoy.
victor wrote:
On 3/05/2016 11:43 a.m., Allistar wrote:
Imbuing a rock with magical powers or superstition is nearly as
ridiculous as thinking there's an invisible being watching over
everyone.
The sooner we're rid of such nonsense the better.
Why do gems cost more ?
Normally because they're rare, and they're pretty. People want them, so
their price goes up.
Is their value a superstition ?
For some people I'm sure it is.
--
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.
On 5/3/2016 1:09 PM, victor wrote:
On 3/05/2016 11:07 a.m., Liberty wrote:The crown jewels are not one rock or one type of rock..
On Tue, 03 May 2016 09:17:50 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 3 May 2016 08:04:31 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:My mum took it out and has it hanging up in a bag in wardrobe.
On 5/3/2016 12:32 AM, krystal.dog60@gmail.com wrote:
Hi my step dad recently passed away and he left his big greenstone >>>>>> in the car.
She wants to get necklaces made out of it as its a slab, but I don't
know if that counts as "tapu" please help?
As its a piece of greenstone its a piece of rock.
To do with what you want. It's your families bit of rock
A lot of value can be lost if the stone is not worked in the best
possible way. I suggest seeking expert advice - not likely to be
foundreading your mothers stone from nz.general - an expert will be
able to advise if there are any legal or cultural issues that need to
be allowed for.
Its only a rock.
So are the Crown Jewels
Unlike those in your head
In article <SIfE4.387$HRW1.2359376@news.xtra.co.nz>,
ctnz@NOSPAMhotmail.com says...
"e_l_l_e" <e_l_l_eNOe_SPAM@my-deja.com.invalid> wrote in message news:1edcb7d4.219bab18@usw-ex0101-005.remarq.com...
well said! You've put into words the thoughts that were going
around in my head when I first read this thread yeasterday...
how you do that???
Yes, well said indeed. But, no-one has answered my question yet :-(
It was not bought as a gift, it was purchased by my daughter for herself. She has now been told that it is extremely unlucky and has put it away, never to be worn again.
Is it considered unlucky to buy for your own use?
No. It should be thought of as similar to a diamond ring. Usually diamond rings are given to signify engagement, and have a special meaning when so given or received. But there's nothing to stop anybody buying one for
their own use.
Should she give it away
Why? If she likes it why not wear it?
(but, then again, if it was not bought to be given as a gift, won't that demean the giving)?
Not at all. In fact, if she wore it for a while and became attached to
it, the giving would be enhanced if/when she finally did give it away.She could wear it with the purpose of eventually giving it away, and be on
the look out for the right person to receive it in 1, 5, 10 or 50 years' time
Should she get it blessed?
Not necessarily. But if she is that worried about it by all means have it blessed. As her father, you are perfectly entitled to do that.
You could use these words:
I runga i te Whakapono o Ihu Karaiti
ka whakatapu e tatou tenei taonga
i runga i te ingoa o te Matua, o te Tama, o te Wairua Tapu.
(In the faith of Jesus Christ,
we bless this treasure
in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit)
But if you prefer, trot along to your local priest/minister/kaumatua. It should take 2 minutes and will cost you nothing
Can anyone enlighten us on the correct (Maori) way of dealing with pounamu? Thanks.
I am confident in what I have just told you but I would not presume to
any authority in the Maori world.
On Wednesday, March 29, 2000 at 8:00:00 PM UTC+12, KPW wrote:
In article <SIfE4.387$HRW1.2359376@news.xtra.co.nz>,
ctnz@NOSPAMhotmail.com says...
"e_l_l_e" <e_l_l_eNOe_SPAM@my-deja.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:1edcb7d4.219bab18@usw-ex0101-005.remarq.com...
well said! You've put into words the thoughts that were going
around in my head when I first read this thread yeasterday...
how you do that???
Yes, well said indeed. But, no-one has answered my question yet :-(
It was not bought as a gift, it was purchased by my daughter for
herself. She has now been told that it is extremely unlucky and has put
it away, never to be worn again.
Is it considered unlucky to buy for your own use?
No. It should be thought of as similar to a diamond ring. Usually diamond
rings are given to signify engagement, and have a special meaning when so
given or received. But there's nothing to stop anybody buying one for
their own use.
Should she give it away
Why? If she likes it why not wear it?
(but, then again, if it was not bought to be given as a gift, won't
that demean the giving)?
Not at all. In fact, if she wore it for a while and became attached to
it, the giving would be enhanced if/when she finally did give it away.She
could wear it with the purpose of eventually giving it away, and be on
the look out for the right person to receive it in 1, 5, 10 or 50 years'
time
Should she get it blessed?
Not necessarily. But if she is that worried about it by all means have it
blessed. As her father, you are perfectly entitled to do that.
You could use these words:
I runga i te Whakapono o Ihu Karaiti
ka whakatapu e tatou tenei taonga
i runga i te ingoa o te Matua, o te Tama, o te Wairua Tapu.
(In the faith of Jesus Christ,
we bless this treasure
in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit)
But if you prefer, trot along to your local priest/minister/kaumatua. It
should take 2 minutes and will cost you nothing
Can anyone enlighten us on the correct (Maori) way of dealing with
pounamu? Thanks.
I am confident in what I have just told you but I would not presume to
any authority in the Maori world.
Yeah you can buy your own but its kind of a rule that the pounamu needs to call to you to buy it, like you have to get a special feeling when your trying to find it, like your drawned to it. Either that or let it be given
to you by someone else as a gift. And you dont have to have it blessed but its good to get it done, you can get it blessed by anyone who knows the tikanga of pounamo by doing a simple karakia. You cant let anyone else
wear your pounamu because its tapu/ not allowed because it carries your
mana in it and by doing so, you can curse the stone
tiakitoia@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, March 29, 2000 at 8:00:00 PM UTC+12, KPW wrote:
What a load of superstitious nonsense.
In article <gaOdnZR3X4XZu-_KnZ2dnUU7-budnZ2d@giganews.com>, me@hiddenaddress.com, Allistar says...
tiakitoia@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, March 29, 2000 at 8:00:00 PM UTC+12, KPW wrote:
<snip>
What a load of superstitious nonsense.
Agreed, but he's responding to a post 16 years ago. I hope he's not expecting a reply.
Dave Doe wrote:
In article <gaOdnZR3X4XZu-_KnZ2dnUU7-budnZ2d@giganews.com>,
me@hiddenaddress.com, Allistar says...
tiakitoia@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, March 29, 2000 at 8:00:00 PM UTC+12, KPW wrote:
<snip>
What a load of superstitious nonsense.
Agreed, but he's responding to a post 16 years ago. I hope he's not
expecting a reply.
I'm fed up with a world that pays respect to superstition. We live in a society where it's frowned upon to ridicule or question superstition. Ridiculous ideas should be ridiculed. People should feel an intellectual shame in believing in tapu, fairies, gods, unicorns.
its called a cultural custom
its called a cultural custom
Could someone tell me what the correct way of dealing with pounamu is? My daughter has just bought a pendant and although I cannot remember the reasons, I do recall my grandmother telling me it can never be anything
other than a gift. Even then, I think she said it had to be blessed. I would appreciate any information as I feel very uneasy about this purchase and cannot recall why!
Thanks.
Clay
Could someone tell me what the correct way of dealing with pounamu is? My daughter has just bought a pendant and although I cannot remember the reasons, I do recall my grandmother telling me it can never be anythingI have been looking on line to find out the same thing, as I found a beautiful piece of jade and want to make it into necklaces for my children, and I also believed that it needs to be given to you or blessed. I am half Maori. Go and find a river and
other than a gift. Even then, I think she said it had to be blessed. I would appreciate any information as I feel very uneasy about this purchase and cannot recall why!
Thanks.
Clay
On Tuesday, 28 March 2000 21:00:00 UTC+13, Clay wrote:
Could someone tell me what the correct way of dealing with pounamu is? My daughter has just bought a pendant and although I cannot remember the reasons, I do recall my grandmother telling me it can never be anything other than a gift. Even then, I think she said it had to be blessed. I would appreciate any information as I feel very uneasy about this purchase and cannot recall why!
Thanks.
ClayI have been looking on line to find out the same thing, as I found a beautiful piece of jade and want to make it into necklaces for my
children, and I also believed that it needs to be given to you or
blessed. I am half Maori. Go and find a river and place the necklace
in the water and say a pray asking for the stone to be blessed and for goodness and happiness to the person who wears it, even just a short
pray, it is your belief that will bless the jade. ps weshouldn't make
such a beautiful stone from nature something harmful to
wear unless it is blessed, it has been given to wear and enjoy. hope
this helps
On Tuesday, 28 March 2000 21:00:00 UTC+13, Clay wrote:
Could someone tell me what the correct way of dealing with pounamu is?
My daughter has just bought a pendant and although I cannot remember the
reasons, I do recall my grandmother telling me it can never be anything
other than a gift. Even then, I think she said it had to be blessed. I
would appreciate any information as I feel very uneasy about this
purchase and cannot recall why!
Thanks.
Clay
I have just looked this up been of Maori heritage myself, only half of
cause! but I know the ways and also have heard the same thing, but with
all the looking on line and screaching. As I thought you can blessed the necklace your self, go and find a river hold the jade in the water, and asked for the necklace to be blessed and for the person who it is being
given to be blessed with happiness and joy and luck and everything that is good, or just say a short pray, it is what you believe that will bless the neckless. ps anything that is a gift of love is always good.
Could someone tell me what the correct way of dealing with pounamu is? My daughter has just bought a pendant and although I cannot remember the reasons, I do recall my grandmother telling me it can never be anything
other than a gift. Even then, I think she said it had to be blessed. I would appreciate any information as I feel very uneasy about this purchase and cannot recall why!
Thanks.
Clay
Part of this is the high esteem in which greenstone is held and a wish to treat it as something special and not just an lump of coloured rock. I
guess it's all in the attitude of the owner. If greenstone is just a
stone to you, then that's all you are giving your relatives. If it is
loaded with culture and history, then your gift has a whole added
dimension. Having the pendant blessed is a way of signifying the worth of
the gift to you and to them.
But also there is a Polynesian attitude to gift giving, which I quite
like. Most of the value of a little taonga such as a pendant, whether
made from greenstone or anything else, is it's mana; what we Europeans
might call it's sentimental value. Something bought off the shelf or made
for oneself is just a trinket, no matter what it is made of or how
finely worked it might be. When it is given with love it carries the mana
of the giver and of the occasion on which it was given. The more people
who have owned a taonga and the more times it has been given, the more
mana it has. Consider yourself highly esteemed in a Samoan or Tongan or Fijian gathering if the finely woven mat given to you is the old tatty
one.
Blessing an item means to set it aside for a special purpose: here
probably to mark some significant relationship between you and the people receiving it. You could get an elder to bless it, or any priest or
minister or do it yourself. If you don't do it there is no suggestion you have broken tapu. But your gift might have added meaning for the
recipients if you do.
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Kelvin Wright
Dunedin
New Zealand
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Could someone tell me what the correct way of dealing with pounamu is? My daughter has just bought a pendant and although I cannot remember the reasons, I do recall my grandmother telling me it can never be anything
other than a gift. Even then, I think she said it had to be blessed. I would appreciate any information as I feel very uneasy about this purchase and cannot recall why!
Thanks.
Clay
On Tuesday, March 28, 2000 at 9:00:00 PM UTC+13, Clay wrote:
Could someone tell me what the correct way of dealing with pounamu is?
My daughter has just bought a pendant and although I cannot remember the
reasons, I do recall my grandmother telling me it can never be anything
other than a gift. Even then, I think she said it had to be blessed. I
would appreciate any information as I feel very uneasy about this
purchase and cannot recall why!
Thanks.
kiwikid67@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, March 28, 2000 at 9:00:00 PM UTC+13, Clay wrote:
Could someone tell me what the correct way of dealing with pounamu is?
My daughter has just bought a pendant and although I cannot remember the >>> reasons, I do recall my grandmother telling me it can never be anything
other than a gift. Even then, I think she said it had to be blessed. I >>> would appreciate any information as I feel very uneasy about this
purchase and cannot recall why!
Thanks.
"Blessed" is meaningless. It's talking to something that can't hear because >it isn't there. We're talking about a stone. Nothing more. All of this >hocus-pocus that surrounds it is abject nonsense.
"Can never be anything other than a gift". Why not? What would happen >otherwise?
I do wish people would ditch their superstitions and grow up.
Ponamu is supposed too be gifted only
Its bad luck if you buy it for you're self.
On 6/29/2017 9:01 AM, Allistar wrote:
nicoletrenberth112111@gmail.com wrote:
Ponamu is supposed too be gifted only
Its bad luck if you buy it for you're self.
There's no such thing as "bad luck". The world will be a better place
when superstition is gone.
This is just a repost of some nutter who has no idea that greenstone/jade/ponamu is just another gemstone
And from its usage of English
i.e you're self.
Instead of 'yourself' indicates a level of ignorance or stupidity or both
nicoletrenberth112111@gmail.com wrote:
Ponamu is supposed too be gifted only
Its bad luck if you buy it for you're self.
There's no such thing as "bad luck". The world will be a better place when superstition is gone.
george152 wrote:
On 6/29/2017 9:01 AM, Allistar wrote:
nicoletrenberth112111@gmail.com wrote:
Ponamu is supposed too be gifted only
Its bad luck if you buy it for you're self.
There's no such thing as "bad luck". The world will be a better place
when superstition is gone.
This is just a repost of some nutter who has no idea that
greenstone/jade/ponamu is just another gemstone
And from its usage of English
i.e you're self.
Instead of 'yourself' indicates a level of ignorance or stupidity or both
I find that I've gone from tolerating superstition to actively speaking out against it where I can. Pockets of the world are become more superstitious and it's w worrying trend. Unreasonable beliefs most often lead to unreasonable actions.
Definitely not superstitious. I had a greenstone gifted to me and my parents didn't get it blessed. Had it for two hours and it disappeared from my neck. I was asleep in my bed. My whole room was searched and stripped. It was never found. Thereafter Ialways got it blessed. They say it returns to where it belongs.
Definitely not superstitious. I had a greenstone gifted to me and my
parents didn't get it blessed. Had it for two hours and it disappeared
from my neck. I was asleep in my bed. My whole room was searched and stripped. It was never found.
Thereafter I always got it blessed.
They say it returns to where it belongs.
jessputs@hotmail.com wrote:
Definitely not superstitious. I had a greenstone gifted to me and my
parents didn't get it blessed. Had it for two hours and it disappeared
from my neck. I was asleep in my bed. My whole room was searched and
stripped. It was never found.
Are you suggesting that some supernatural force took it?
Thereafter I always got it blessed.
What does that mean? That someone mumbles a few words over it? Over a rock?
They say it returns to where it belongs.
They also say that there's a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow but
nobody but children actually believes that.
Could someone tell me what the correct way of dealing with pounamu is? My daughter has just bought a pendant and although I cannot remember the reasons, I do recall my grandmother telling me it can never be anything
other than a gift. Even then, I think she said it had to be blessed. I would appreciate any information as I feel very uneasy about this purchase and cannot recall why!
Thanks.
Clay
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