"JohnO" <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote in message news:2916d2e2-e5ba-469d-a666-2d6237a58d5c@googlegroups.com...

On Wednesday, 13 April 2016 23:28:18 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

http://www.labour.org.nz/taxdodging

This is not the place to make party political broadcasts, Dickbot.

You want Rich to leave do you JohnO? What would we do for a good laugh if he follows your advice?

On 2016-04-14, Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

"JohnO" <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Wednesday, 13 April 2016 23:28:18 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

http://www.labour.org.nz/taxdodging

This is not the place to make party political broadcasts, Dickbot.

You want Rich to leave do you JohnO? What would we do for a good laugh if he >> follows your advice?

Indeed the National side posters would have nothing to respond to.

On 2016-04-14, Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

"JohnO" <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Wednesday, 13 April 2016 23:28:18 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

http://www.labour.org.nz/taxdodging

This is not the place to make party political broadcasts, Dickbot.

You want Rich to leave do you JohnO? What would we do for a good laugh if
he
follows your advice?

Indeed the National side posters would have nothing to respond to.

http://www.labour.org.nz/taxdodging

On 14/04/2016 1:18 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:

On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 10:14:16 +1200, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 13/04/2016 11:28 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:

http://www.labour.org.nz/taxdodging

How ridiculous to promote a petition to anyone wandering down thestreet.

This is a matter for the IRD and various tax experts to tackle;
particularly in the matter of transfer pricing - something many
governments are grappling with. Waste of time and if it gets much
further - a total waste of taxpayers money because it cannot achieve
anything. Labour know this of course unless they're thicker than I
thought. They are just shit-stirring.

Look at just what the petition asks for:

Close the loopholes that allow foreign trusts in New Zealand to hide
tax avoidance, money laundering and fraud

This activity does not directly affect most New Zealanders, but
indirectly affects us all. Trust is a lot about perception, and
harbouring tax cheats from other countries is not a good look.
Increasingly we rely on overseas investors - our government debt is
said to be increasing at $27 million dollars a day under National. a
lower level of trust in New Zealand could increase the risk margin for
New Zealand - we already pay a margin above some other developed
nations because of our size. If you are interested in competitiveness,
you should want the lowest possible rate of borrowing.

Shewan has admitted that he has little or no experience in this area,
but even if he had some (and he is intelligent enough to understand
quite a bit), involving others as well would be a good idea - and
broadening the scope of the investigation, and giving it adequate time
to research alternatives would also be a good thing to do.

Crack down on tax avoidance from multinational companies operating in
New Zealand

As you have said, other countries are looking to develop responses to
the propblems of companies avoiding tax - with a strong perception
of evading tax. Transfer pricing is certainly a major part of those
problems, but not the only one.

Again Shewan is not necessarily an expert in multi-national financing
and tax avoidance, although again he has some knowledge. Involving
others with experience in multi-national accounting, taxation and
expereince from other countries would result in better alternatives
for New Zealand.

Launch an urgent inquiry into tax avoidance, particularly by
multinational companies and the use of New Zealand as a tax haven.

To an extent most of this is covered in the previous two items, but it
would also enable more public exploration of issues and possible
reactions. Any changes will result from both international agreements
and domestic actions - both need to have sufficient support to be
accepted, and given the provisions of the TPPA, it may be desirable to
have some of those changes made as soon as possible.

There is nothing in what Labour or I have said that should be a
problem forthe government - these are issues that have been
acknowledged by all political parties, and the government that finds a
solution to them may well be able to reduce rates of some taxes if
more global companies and wealthy individuals pay their fair share
of tax in respet of real profits made in New Zealand - what is it that
you do not like about reducing taxes?

Can you not post a response to anything without some smart-arse question
or statement at the end? Are you trying to be funny or trying to prove
you're just a fuckwit?

On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 10:14:16 +1200, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 13/04/2016 11:28 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:

http://www.labour.org.nz/taxdodging

How ridiculous to promote a petition to anyone wandering down thestreet.

This is a matter for the IRD and various tax experts to tackle; >>particularly in the matter of transfer pricing - something many
governments are grappling with. Waste of time and if it gets much
further - a total waste of taxpayers money because it cannot achieve >>anything. Labour know this of course unless they're thicker than I
thought. They are just shit-stirring.

Look at just what the petition asks for:

Close the loopholes that allow foreign trusts in New Zealand to hide tax >>>avoidance, money laundering and fraud

This activity does not directly affect most New Zealanders, but
indirectly affects us all. Trust is a lot about perception, and
harbouring tax cheats from other countries is not a good look.
Increasingly we rely on overseas investors - our government debt is
said to be increasing at $27 million dollars a day under National. a
lower level of trust in New Zealand could increase the risk margin for
New Zealand - we already pay a margin above some other developed
nations because of our size. If you are interested in competitiveness,
you should want the lowest possible rate of borrowing.

Shewan has admitted that he has little or no experience in this area,
but even if he had some (and he is intelligent enough to understand
quite a bit), involving others as well would be a good idea - and
broadening the scope of the investigation, and giving it adequate time
to research alternatives would also be a good thing to do.

Crack down on tax avoidance from multinational companies operating in New >>Zealand

As you have said, other countries are looking to develop responses to
the propblems of companies avoiding tax - with a strong perception
of evading tax. Transfer pricing is certainly a major part of those
problems, but not the only one.

Again Shewan is not necessarily an expert in multi-national financing
and tax avoidance, although again he has some knowledge. Involving
others with experience in multi-national accounting, taxation and
expereince from other countries would result in better alternatives
for New Zealand.

Launch an urgent inquiry into tax avoidance, particularly by multinational >>companies and the use of New Zealand as a tax haven.

To an extent most of this is covered in the previous two items, but it
would also enable more public exploration of issues and possible
reactions. Any changes will result from both international agreements
and domestic actions - both need to have sufficient support to be
accepted, and given the provisions of the TPPA, it may be desirable to
have some of those changes made as soon as possible.

There is nothing in what Labour or I have said that should be a
problem forthe government - these are issues that have been
acknowledged by all political parties, and the government that finds a solution to them may well be able to reduce rates of some taxes if
more global companies and wealthy individuals pay their fair share
of tax in respet of real profits made in New Zealand - what is it that
you do not like about reducing taxes?