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    From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Sunday, March 27, 2016 09:07:30
    From the irrelevant: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/the-flag-debate/78253159/duncan-garner-the-flagging-fortunes-of-a-leader-chasing-a-legacy.html

    (although there is some humour there: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11611813 )


    To important issues worthy of discussion for the good of our future: http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/78271488/Ross-Henderson-Labour-not-shying-away-from-big-ideas

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)
  • From Tony @3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Saturday, March 26, 2016 16:54:27
    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    From the irrelevant: >http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/the-flag-debate/78253159/duncan-garner-the-flagging-fortunes-of-a-leader-chasing-a-legacy.html
    Irrelevant indeed, not the first time that Duncan Garner has published irrelevancies.

    (although there is some humour there: >http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11611813 >)


    To important issues worthy of discussion for the good of our future: >http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/78271488/Ross-Henderson-Labour-not-shying-away-from-big-ideas
    I am absolutely sure that Labour supporters have some good ideas, even better that they can pick up on an idea that a right wing businessman has been pushing for some years. The problem is not that there are no ideas, simply that the party does not have the competence to develop them into policieas and somehow get the New Zealand public to take an interest!

    Tony

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)
  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to dot nz on Sunday, March 27, 2016 12:34:01
    On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 16:54:27 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
    dot nz> wrote:

    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    From the irrelevant: >>http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/the-flag-debate/78253159/duncan-garner-the-flagging-fortunes-of-a-leader-chasing-a-legacy.html
    Irrelevant indeed, not the first time that Duncan Garner has published >irrelevancies.

    (although there is some humour there: >>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11611813
    )


    To important issues worthy of discussion for the good of our future: >>http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/78271488/Ross-Henderson-Labour-not-shying-away-from-big-ideas
    I am absolutely sure that Labour supporters have some good ideas, even better >that they can pick up on an idea that a right wing businessman has been pushing
    for some years. The problem is not that there are no ideas, simply that the >party does not have the competence to develop them into policieas and somehow >get the New Zealand public to take an interest!

    Tony
    Both the Labour Party itself and Labour supporters have good ideas,
    Tony, and discussing them is important to an effecitive process.
    Look here: https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/nzlabour/pages/4238/attachments/original/1458693579/Future_of_Work_Ten_Big_Ideas_sm.pdf

    For similar ideas from National we have:
    Flag
    TPPA
    Changing school funding (nothing yet to discuss)
    Pandas
    ???

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)
  • From Tony @3:770/3 to All on Saturday, March 26, 2016 19:34:08
    Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net dot nz> wrote: >Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 16:54:27 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
    dot nz> wrote:

    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    From the irrelevant: >>>>http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/the-flag-debate/78253159/duncan-garner-the-flagging-fortunes-of-a-leader-chasing-a-legacy.html
    Irrelevant indeed, not the first time that Duncan Garner has published >>>irrelevancies.

    (although there is some humour there: >>>>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11611813
    )


    To important issues worthy of discussion for the good of our future: >>>>http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/78271488/Ross-Henderson-Labour-not-shying-away-from-big-ideas
    I am absolutely sure that Labour supporters have some good ideas, even >>>better
    that they can pick up on an idea that a right wing businessman has been >>>pushing
    for some years. The problem is not that there are no ideas, simply that the >>>party does not have the competence to develop them into policieas and >>>somehow
    get the New Zealand public to take an interest!

    Tony
    Both the Labour Party itself and Labour supporters have good ideas,
    Tony, and discussing them is important to an effecitive process.
    Look here: >>https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/nzlabour/pages/4238/attachments/original/1458693579/Future_of_Work_Ten_Big_Ideas_sm.pdf

    Thank you for proving my point - ideas are there, competence is not,
    For similar ideas from National we have:
    Flag
    TPPA
    Changing school funding (nothing yet to discuss)
    Pandas
    ???
    Don't forget reducing unemployment in real terms despite the poor legacy left >by the Labour government and the serious international crisis which this >government managed us through very well see >http://www.tradingeconomics.com/new-zealand/unemployment-rate
    and improving the balance of trade see >http://www.tradingeconomics.com/new-zealand/balance-of-trade
    Oh! Of course using the tentative start that Labour made on the TPPA and >turning it into a positive opportunity for this country.
    Tomorrow's schools was one of the best ideas that Labour have ever had, pity >they didn't implement it as well as they should have - there are still some >things to sort.
    Pandas? It is good that we have a government with heart and a commitment to an >under threat species - the fact that you think it is unimportant tells me much >about your priorities.
    Who cares about the, a bagatelle and about as important as Helen Clark's >forgery.

    Should read -
    Who cares about the Flag debate, a bagatelle and about as important as Helen Clark's
    forgery.
    Tony

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)
  • From Tony @3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Saturday, March 26, 2016 19:32:07
    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 16:54:27 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
    dot nz> wrote:

    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    From the irrelevant: >>>http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/the-flag-debate/78253159/duncan-garner-the-flagging-fortunes-of-a-leader-chasing-a-legacy.html
    Irrelevant indeed, not the first time that Duncan Garner has published >>irrelevancies.

    (although there is some humour there: >>>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11611813
    )


    To important issues worthy of discussion for the good of our future: >>>http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/78271488/Ross-Henderson-Labour-not-shying-away-from-big-ideas
    I am absolutely sure that Labour supporters have some good ideas, even better >>that they can pick up on an idea that a right wing businessman has been >>pushing
    for some years. The problem is not that there are no ideas, simply that the >>party does not have the competence to develop them into policieas and somehow >>get the New Zealand public to take an interest!

    Tony
    Both the Labour Party itself and Labour supporters have good ideas,
    Tony, and discussing them is important to an effecitive process.
    Look here: >https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/nzlabour/pages/4238/attachments/original/1458693579/Future_of_Work_Ten_Big_Ideas_sm.pdf

    Thank you for proving my point - ideas are there, competence is not,
    For similar ideas from National we have:
    Flag
    TPPA
    Changing school funding (nothing yet to discuss)
    Pandas
    ???
    Don't forget reducing unemployment in real terms despite the poor legacy left by the Labour government and the serious international crisis which this government managed us through very well see http://www.tradingeconomics.com/new-zealand/unemployment-rate
    and improving the balance of trade see http://www.tradingeconomics.com/new-zealand/balance-of-trade
    Oh! Of course using the tentative start that Labour made on the TPPA and turning it into a positive opportunity for this country.
    Tomorrow's schools was one of the best ideas that Labour have ever had, pity they didn't implement it as well as they should have - there are still some things to sort.
    Pandas? It is good that we have a government with heart and a commitment to an under threat species - the fact that you think it is unimportant tells me much about your priorities.
    Who cares about the, a bagatelle and about as important as Helen Clark's forgery.

    Tony

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)
  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Monday, March 28, 2016 11:27:21
    "Rich80105" <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:kv6efbpinmpieid6e2v7ls3t9ik9o3oueb@4ax.com...
    On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 16:54:27 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
    dot nz> wrote:

    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    From the irrelevant: >>>http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/the-flag-debate/78253159/duncan-garner-the-flagging-fortunes-of-a-leader-chasing-a-legacy.html
    Irrelevant indeed, not the first time that Duncan Garner has published >>irrelevancies.

    (although there is some humour there: >>>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11611813
    )


    To important issues worthy of discussion for the good of our future: >>>http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/78271488/Ross-Henderson-Labour-not-shying-away-from-big-ideas
    I am absolutely sure that Labour supporters have some good ideas, even >>better
    that they can pick up on an idea that a right wing businessman has been >>pushing
    for some years. The problem is not that there are no ideas, simply that
    the
    party does not have the competence to develop them into policieas and >>somehow
    get the New Zealand public to take an interest!

    Tony
    Both the Labour Party itself and Labour supporters have good ideas,
    Tony, and discussing them is important to an effecitive process.
    Look here: https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/nzlabour/pages/4238/attachments/original/1458693579/Future_of_Work_Ten_Big_Ideas_sm.pdf

    For similar ideas from National we have:
    Flag
    TPPA
    Changing school funding (nothing yet to discuss)
    Pandas
    ???

    Pretty pathetic even for you Rich. Who has conveniently over the years
    failed to address pertinent questions about what Labour ever achieved to improve schooling, poverty or the prevention of violence to children. But
    what else should we expect from a trolling trotskyite twit like you Rich.

    Pooh

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)
  • From Crash@3:770/3 to All on Monday, March 28, 2016 11:55:22
    On Sun, 27 Mar 2016 12:34:01 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 16:54:27 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
    dot nz> wrote:

    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    From the irrelevant: >>>http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/the-flag-debate/78253159/duncan-garner-the-flagging-fortunes-of-a-leader-chasing-a-legacy.html
    Irrelevant indeed, not the first time that Duncan Garner has published >>irrelevancies.

    (although there is some humour there: >>>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11611813
    )


    To important issues worthy of discussion for the good of our future: >>>http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/78271488/Ross-Henderson-Labour-not-shying-away-from-big-ideas
    I am absolutely sure that Labour supporters have some good ideas, even better >>that they can pick up on an idea that a right wing businessman has been pushing
    for some years. The problem is not that there are no ideas, simply that the >>party does not have the competence to develop them into policieas and somehow >>get the New Zealand public to take an interest!

    Tony
    Both the Labour Party itself and Labour supporters have good ideas,
    Tony, and discussing them is important to an effecitive process.
    Look here: >https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/nzlabour/pages/4238/attachments/original/1458693579/Future_of_Work_Ten_Big_Ideas_sm.pdf

    Rich this is without doubt worthy of consideration - the trick though
    is for Labour to produce ideas that resonate with the electorate and
    therefore garner public support in the face of whatever National and
    other political parties throw up against these ideas.


    For similar ideas from National we have:
    Flag
    TPPA
    Changing school funding (nothing yet to discuss)
    Pandas
    ???

    Every post from you includes denigration of National. You simply
    cannot promote a political point of view in its own right - you must
    also descend into National-bashing. Presumably in promoting the ideas
    coming out of the "commission" you could not find any
    employment-related National-bashing ideas so were forced to digress to unrelated issues to do so.


    --
    Crash McBash

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)
  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to Crash on Wednesday, March 30, 2016 12:04:50
    "Crash" <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote in message news:g8ogfb912lmg6pdmqpeq5jjphrp1b0j21h@4ax.com...
    On Sun, 27 Mar 2016 12:34:01 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 16:54:27 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
    dot nz> wrote:

    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    From the irrelevant: >>>>http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/the-flag-debate/78253159/duncan-garner-the-flagging-fortunes-of-a-leader-chasing-a-legacy.html
    Irrelevant indeed, not the first time that Duncan Garner has published >>>irrelevancies.

    (although there is some humour there: >>>>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11611813
    )


    To important issues worthy of discussion for the good of our future: >>>>http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/78271488/Ross-Henderson-Labour-not-shying-away-from-big-ideas
    I am absolutely sure that Labour supporters have some good ideas, even >>>better
    that they can pick up on an idea that a right wing businessman has been >>>pushing
    for some years. The problem is not that there are no ideas, simply that >>>the
    party does not have the competence to develop them into policieas and >>>somehow
    get the New Zealand public to take an interest!

    Tony
    Both the Labour Party itself and Labour supporters have good ideas,
    Tony, and discussing them is important to an effecitive process.
    Look here: >>https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/nzlabour/pages/4238/attachments/original/1458693579/Future_of_Work_Ten_Big_Ideas_sm.pdf

    Rich this is without doubt worthy of consideration - the trick though
    is for Labour to produce ideas that resonate with the electorate and therefore garner public support in the face of whatever National and
    other political parties throw up against these ideas.


    For similar ideas from National we have:
    Flag
    TPPA
    Changing school funding (nothing yet to discuss)
    Pandas
    ???

    Every post from you includes denigration of National. You simply
    cannot promote a political point of view in its own right - you must
    also descend into National-bashing. Presumably in promoting the ideas
    coming out of the "commission" you could not find any
    employment-related National-bashing ideas so were forced to digress to unrelated issues to do so.


    --
    Crash McBash

    It's all that's coming out of the loopy left Crash. Hardly surprising that
    Rich is doing the same.

    Pooh

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)
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