• Key's racist fear-mongering

    From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Thursday, March 17, 2016 14:36:22
    Some time ago National and Key wanted a distraction from their failed
    economic policies (usual; National increase in unemployed, low wages
    rates leading to more poverty, embarrassing hand-outs to friends,
    business profits (and tax revenue down because more people not
    spending).

    So what did they do? Found a distraction. In this case it was security
    - so they found an enemy to justify more spying on our own* - and of
    course the convenient scape-goats were immigrants and/or Muslems

    Since there were demonstrably no problems with their chosen group, Key
    had to lie - so they invented women New Zealanders going to marry ISIS
    soldiers - see http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/291631/terror-attacks-'excite'-nz-radicals

    Great copy for the news media - "Jihadi Brides!" with Kitteredge being
    forced to put the numbers as "up to 12" at the time, but still
    leaving the feeling that we were harbouring terrorists - they
    mentioned 40 people on a watchlist at the same time.

    It turns out that "less than 12", is one or two, and that there were
    none who left from New Zealand - any such people having been resident
    in Australia before going overseas.

    The offended minority called for proof - but of course the racist
    National Party ignored that - the damage to trust in the community
    meant nothing compared with their politicising spin.

    Evidently some people smelt a rat, and tried to find out more through
    an Official Information request, so now we have this:

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/299119/nz's-'jihadi-brides'-left-from-australia

    and also (using the same photograph - that's cheap journalism!): http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/299157/stop-'fear-mongering'-about-muslims


    So what's the betting some Nat-bot wil try to excuse this blatant
    misleading of New Zealanders for partisan political purposes - by
    attempting to divert this thread to something else . . .

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Wednesday, March 16, 2016 19:19:49
    On Thursday, 17 March 2016 14:36:35 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    Some time ago National and Key wanted a distraction from their failed economic policies (usual; National increase in unemployed, low wages
    rates leading to more poverty, embarrassing hand-outs to friends,
    business profits (and tax revenue down because more people not
    spending).

    Unemployment is falling. Wages are rising. Inflation is less than wage rises. Economic growth is solid.

    So what is failing again, Dickbot, apart from the opposition?


    So what did they do? Found a distraction. In this case it was security
    - so they found an enemy to justify more spying on our own* - and of
    course the convenient scape-goats were immigrants and/or Muslems


    It's Angry little Andy and Labour that routinely take potshots at immigrants, not the Nats.

    Since there were demonstrably no problems with their chosen group, Key
    had to lie - so they invented women New Zealanders going to marry ISIS soldiers - see http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/291631/terror-attacks-'excite'-nz-radicals


    I think it's great the way useful idiots rant on about stuff like this. It's just a constant reminder that they are heading for an electoral iceberg. Again.

    Great copy for the news media - "Jihadi Brides!" with Kitteredge being
    forced to put the numbers as "up to 12" at the time, but still
    leaving the feeling that we were harbouring terrorists - they
    mentioned 40 people on a watchlist at the same time.

    Are you saying Islam is a race now?


    It turns out that "less than 12", is one or two, and that there were
    none who left from New Zealand - any such people having been resident
    in Australia before going overseas.

    The offended minority called for proof - but of course the racist
    National Party ignored that - the damage to trust in the community
    meant nothing compared with their politicising spin.

    What "race" are we talking about here?

    Just so you understand: when Labour whinge about the Chinese, that's racist because Chinese is a race. Islamic is not a race. Got it yet, Dumbo?


    Evidently some people smelt a rat, and tried to find out more through
    an Official Information request, so now we have this:

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/299119/nz's-'jihadi-brides'-left-from-australia

    and also (using the same photograph - that's cheap journalism!): http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/299157/stop-'fear-mongering'-about-muslims


    So what's the betting some Nat-bot wil try to excuse this blatant
    misleading of New Zealanders for partisan political purposes - by
    attempting to divert this thread to something else . . .

    Goodness, a politician misleading people. Surely no left wing politician does that, eh?

    Idiot.

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Thursday, March 17, 2016 15:52:32
    On Wed, 16 Mar 2016 19:19:49 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, 17 March 2016 14:36:35 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    Some time ago National and Key wanted a distraction from their failed
    economic policies (usual; National increase in unemployed, low wages
    rates leading to more poverty, embarrassing hand-outs to friends,
    business profits (and tax revenue down because more people not
    spending).

    Unemployment is falling. Wages are rising. Inflation is less than wage rises.
    Economic growth is solid.

    Those were not hte indications last year - and even now the iprovement
    in those statistics leave us worse off than at any time duing the
    previous period of a Labour government. Wages are at about the same
    real level as 20 years ago, while overall GDP has risen much faster.
    Not much success for the majority of the population there - although
    to befair National never pretended to have policies to meet the needs
    of all New Zealanders.


    So what is failing again, Dickbot, apart from the opposition?


    So what did they do? Found a distraction. In this case it was security
    - so they found an enemy to justify more spying on our own* - and of
    course the convenient scape-goats were immigrants and/or Muslems


    It's Angry little Andy and Labour that routinely take potshots at immigrants, not the Nats.
    Does that unsuppoerted assertion excuse Key from accusing them of
    being a significant threat to security? To lying about "Jihadi
    brides"?


    Since there were demonstrably no problems with their chosen group, Key
    had to lie - so they invented women New Zealanders going to marry ISIS
    soldiers - see
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/291631/terror-attacks-'excite'-nz-radicals


    I think it's great the way useful idiots rant on about stuff like this. It's just a constant reminder that they are heading for an electoral iceberg. Again.

    What is it about your leader sying that you enjoy, JohnO?


    Great copy for the news media - "Jihadi Brides!" with Kitteredge being
    forced to put the numbers as "up to 12" at the time, but still
    leaving the feeling that we were harbouring terrorists - they
    mentioned 40 people on a watchlist at the same time.

    Are you saying Islam is a race now?
    They weren't attacking pakeha New Zealanders - is that race in your
    view?

    It turns out that "less than 12", is one or two, and that there were
    none who left from New Zealand - any such people having been resident
    in Australia before going overseas.

    The offended minority called for proof - but of course the racist
    National Party ignored that - the damage to trust in the community
    meant nothing compared with their politicising spin.

    What "race" are we talking about here?
    The racist National Party, with Key being deliberately misleading to
    pander to the prejudices of those he was targetting.


    Just so you understand: when Labour whinge about the Chinese, that's racist because Chinese is a race. Islamic is not a race. Got it yet, Dumbo?
    Nobody has "whinged" about the Chinese - you forget that Labour
    succesfully negotiated a trade deal with China - they were and remain
    our friends, and that agreement has been good for both countries.


    Evidently some people smelt a rat, and tried to find out more through
    an Official Information request, so now we have this:

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/299119/nz's-'jihadi-brides'-left-from-australia

    and also (using the same photograph - that's cheap journalism!):
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/299157/stop-'fear-mongering'-about-muslims


    So what's the betting some Nat-bot wil try to excuse this blatant
    misleading of New Zealanders for partisan political purposes - by
    attempting to divert this thread to something else . . .

    Goodness, a politician misleading people. Surely no left wing politician does that, eh?
    I accept your admission that Key misled.


    Idiot.

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to JohnO on Wednesday, March 16, 2016 19:23:07
    On Thursday, 17 March 2016 15:19:51 UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
    On Thursday, 17 March 2016 14:36:35 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    Some time ago National and Key wanted a distraction from their failed economic policies (usual; National increase in unemployed, low wages
    rates leading to more poverty, embarrassing hand-outs to friends,
    business profits (and tax revenue down because more people not
    spending).

    Unemployment is falling. Wages are rising. Inflation is less than wage rises.
    Economic growth is solid.

    So what is failing again, Dickbot, apart from the opposition?


    So what did they do? Found a distraction. In this case it was security
    - so they found an enemy to justify more spying on our own* - and of
    course the convenient scape-goats were immigrants and/or Muslems


    It's Angry little Andy and Labour that routinely take potshots at immigrants,
    not the Nats.

    Since there were demonstrably no problems with their chosen group, Key
    had to lie - so they invented women New Zealanders going to marry ISIS soldiers - see http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/291631/terror-attacks-'excite'-nz-radicals


    I think it's great the way useful idiots rant on about stuff like this. It's
    just a constant reminder that they are heading for an electoral iceberg. Again.

    Great copy for the news media - "Jihadi Brides!" with Kitteredge being forced to put the numbers as "up to 12" at the time, but still
    leaving the feeling that we were harbouring terrorists - they
    mentioned 40 people on a watchlist at the same time.

    Are you saying Islam is a race now?


    It turns out that "less than 12", is one or two, and that there were
    none who left from New Zealand - any such people having been resident
    in Australia before going overseas.

    The offended minority called for proof - but of course the racist
    National Party ignored that - the damage to trust in the community
    meant nothing compared with their politicising spin.

    What "race" are we talking about here?

    Just so you understand: when Labour whinge about the Chinese, that's racist
    because Chinese is a race. Islamic is not a race. Got it yet, Dumbo?


    Evidently some people smelt a rat, and tried to find out more through
    an Official Information request, so now we have this:

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/299119/nz's-'jihadi-brides'-left-from-australia

    and also (using the same photograph - that's cheap journalism!): http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/299157/stop-'fear-mongering'-about-muslims


    So what's the betting some Nat-bot wil try to excuse this blatant misleading of New Zealanders for partisan political purposes - by attempting to divert this thread to something else . . .

    Goodness, a politician misleading people. Surely no left wing politician does
    that, eh?

    Idiot.

    And it was public servant Rebecca Ketteridge who provided the information that Key repeated. Are you suggesting that the PM should not trust the information provided by the relevant and politically neutral public service?

    Idiot.

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Thursday, March 17, 2016 15:54:04
    On Wed, 16 Mar 2016 19:23:07 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, 17 March 2016 15:19:51 UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
    On Thursday, 17 March 2016 14:36:35 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    Some time ago National and Key wanted a distraction from their failed
    economic policies (usual; National increase in unemployed, low wages
    rates leading to more poverty, embarrassing hand-outs to friends,
    business profits (and tax revenue down because more people not
    spending).

    Unemployment is falling. Wages are rising. Inflation is less than wage rises. Economic growth is solid.

    So what is failing again, Dickbot, apart from the opposition?


    So what did they do? Found a distraction. In this case it was security
    - so they found an enemy to justify more spying on our own* - and of
    course the convenient scape-goats were immigrants and/or Muslems


    It's Angry little Andy and Labour that routinely take potshots at immigrants, not the Nats.

    Since there were demonstrably no problems with their chosen group, Key
    had to lie - so they invented women New Zealanders going to marry ISIS
    soldiers - see
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/291631/terror-attacks-'excite'-nz-radicals


    I think it's great the way useful idiots rant on about stuff like this. It's
    just a constant reminder that they are heading for an electoral iceberg. Again. >>
    Great copy for the news media - "Jihadi Brides!" with Kitteredge being
    forced to put the numbers as "up to 12" at the time, but still
    leaving the feeling that we were harbouring terrorists - they
    mentioned 40 people on a watchlist at the same time.

    Are you saying Islam is a race now?


    It turns out that "less than 12", is one or two, and that there were
    none who left from New Zealand - any such people having been resident
    in Australia before going overseas.

    The offended minority called for proof - but of course the racist
    National Party ignored that - the damage to trust in the community
    meant nothing compared with their politicising spin.

    What "race" are we talking about here?

    Just so you understand: when Labour whinge about the Chinese, that's racist because Chinese is a race. Islamic is not a race. Got it yet, Dumbo?


    Evidently some people smelt a rat, and tried to find out more through
    an Official Information request, so now we have this:

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/299119/nz's-'jihadi-brides'-left-from-australia

    and also (using the same photograph - that's cheap journalism!):
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/299157/stop-'fear-mongering'-about-muslims


    So what's the betting some Nat-bot wil try to excuse this blatant
    misleading of New Zealanders for partisan political purposes - by
    attempting to divert this thread to something else . . .

    Goodness, a politician misleading people. Surely no left wing politician does that, eh?

    Idiot.

    And it was public servant Rebecca Ketteridge who provided the information that
    Key repeated. Are you suggesting that the PM should not trust the information provided by the relevant and politically neutral public service?

    Key did no repeatt it - he asked a question to get the answer that he
    wanted - "Jihadi Bride" came from Key not Kitteridge,

    But you are right that both should apologise for misleading by
    ommission

    Idiot.
    Indeed both Key and Kitteridge were.

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Wednesday, March 16, 2016 20:40:20
    On Thursday, 17 March 2016 15:52:44 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 16 Mar 2016 19:19:49 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, 17 March 2016 14:36:35 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    Some time ago National and Key wanted a distraction from their failed
    economic policies (usual; National increase in unemployed, low wages
    rates leading to more poverty, embarrassing hand-outs to friends,
    business profits (and tax revenue down because more people not
    spending).

    Unemployment is falling. Wages are rising. Inflation is less than wage
    rises. Economic growth is solid.

    Those were not hte indications last year - and even now the iprovement
    in those statistics leave us worse off than at any time duing the
    previous period of a Labour government. Wages are at about the same
    real level as 20 years ago, while overall GDP has risen much faster.
    Not much success for the majority of the population there - although
    to befair National never pretended to have policies to meet the needs
    of all New Zealanders.


    So what is failing again, Dickbot, apart from the opposition?


    So what did they do? Found a distraction. In this case it was security
    - so they found an enemy to justify more spying on our own* - and of
    course the convenient scape-goats were immigrants and/or Muslems


    It's Angry little Andy and Labour that routinely take potshots at
    immigrants, not the Nats.
    Does that unsuppoerted assertion excuse Key from accusing them of
    being a significant threat to security?

    Cite please.

    To lying about "Jihadi
    brides"?


    Passing on advice received is not lying. You should know as you are the expert on lying.



    Since there were demonstrably no problems with their chosen group, Key
    had to lie - so they invented women New Zealanders going to marry ISIS
    soldiers - see
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/291631/terror-attacks-'excite'-nz-radicals


    I think it's great the way useful idiots rant on about stuff like this. It's
    just a constant reminder that they are heading for an electoral iceberg. Again.

    What is it about your leader sying that you enjoy, JohnO?

    Incoherent drivel. Are you drunk?



    Great copy for the news media - "Jihadi Brides!" with Kitteredge being
    forced to put the numbers as "up to 12" at the time, but still
    leaving the feeling that we were harbouring terrorists - they
    mentioned 40 people on a watchlist at the same time.

    Are you saying Islam is a race now?
    They weren't attacking pakeha New Zealanders - is that race in your
    view?

    It turns out that "less than 12", is one or two, and that there were
    none who left from New Zealand - any such people having been resident
    in Australia before going overseas.

    The offended minority called for proof - but of course the racist
    National Party ignored that - the damage to trust in the community
    meant nothing compared with their politicising spin.

    What "race" are we talking about here?
    The racist National Party, with Key being deliberately misleading to
    pander to the prejudices of those he was targetting.


    Just so you understand: when Labour whinge about the Chinese, that's racist
    because Chinese is a race. Islamic is not a race. Got it yet, Dumbo?
    Nobody has "whinged" about the Chinese

    Stop lying. Twyfords stupid racist dogwhistle was one example. Little wanking about Asian chefs is another.

    - you forget that Labour
    succesfully negotiated a trade deal with China - they were and remain
    our friends, and that agreement has been good for both countries.


    Evidently some people smelt a rat, and tried to find out more through
    an Official Information request, so now we have this:

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/299119/nz's-'jihadi-brides'-left-from-australia

    and also (using the same photograph - that's cheap journalism!):
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/299157/stop-'fear-mongering'-about-muslims


    So what's the betting some Nat-bot wil try to excuse this blatant
    misleading of New Zealanders for partisan political purposes - by
    attempting to divert this thread to something else . . .

    Goodness, a politician misleading people. Surely no left wing politician
    does that, eh?
    I accept your admission that Key misled.

    Dishonest word twisting once again by Dickbot. It never ends.



    Idiot.

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Wednesday, March 16, 2016 20:36:56
    On Thursday, 17 March 2016 15:54:15 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 16 Mar 2016 19:23:07 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, 17 March 2016 15:19:51 UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
    On Thursday, 17 March 2016 14:36:35 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    Some time ago National and Key wanted a distraction from their failed
    economic policies (usual; National increase in unemployed, low wages
    rates leading to more poverty, embarrassing hand-outs to friends,
    business profits (and tax revenue down because more people not
    spending).

    Unemployment is falling. Wages are rising. Inflation is less than wage
    rises. Economic growth is solid.

    So what is failing again, Dickbot, apart from the opposition?


    So what did they do? Found a distraction. In this case it was security >> > - so they found an enemy to justify more spying on our own* - and of
    course the convenient scape-goats were immigrants and/or Muslems


    It's Angry little Andy and Labour that routinely take potshots at
    immigrants, not the Nats.

    Since there were demonstrably no problems with their chosen group, Key >> > had to lie - so they invented women New Zealanders going to marry ISIS >> > soldiers - see
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/291631/terror-attacks-'excite'-nz-radicals


    I think it's great the way useful idiots rant on about stuff like this.
    It's just a constant reminder that they are heading for an electoral iceberg. Again.

    Great copy for the news media - "Jihadi Brides!" with Kitteredge being >> > forced to put the numbers as "up to 12" at the time, but still
    leaving the feeling that we were harbouring terrorists - they
    mentioned 40 people on a watchlist at the same time.

    Are you saying Islam is a race now?


    It turns out that "less than 12", is one or two, and that there were
    none who left from New Zealand - any such people having been resident
    in Australia before going overseas.

    The offended minority called for proof - but of course the racist
    National Party ignored that - the damage to trust in the community
    meant nothing compared with their politicising spin.

    What "race" are we talking about here?

    Just so you understand: when Labour whinge about the Chinese, that's
    racist because Chinese is a race. Islamic is not a race. Got it yet, Dumbo?


    Evidently some people smelt a rat, and tried to find out more through
    an Official Information request, so now we have this:

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/299119/nz's-'jihadi-brides'-left-from-australia

    and also (using the same photograph - that's cheap journalism!):
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/299157/stop-'fear-mongering'-about-muslims


    So what's the betting some Nat-bot wil try to excuse this blatant
    misleading of New Zealanders for partisan political purposes - by
    attempting to divert this thread to something else . . .

    Goodness, a politician misleading people. Surely no left wing politician
    does that, eh?

    Idiot.

    And it was public servant Rebecca Ketteridge who provided the information
    that Key repeated. Are you suggesting that the PM should not trust the information provided by the relevant and politically neutral public service?

    Key did no repeatt it - he asked a question to get the answer that he
    wanted - "Jihadi Bride" came from Key not Kitteridge,

    Whio care's what name was given - the statement that NZ women were going to the
    ME to marry was information provided by Ketteridge.


    But you are right that both should apologise for misleading by
    ommission

    Idiot.
    Indeed both Key and Kitteridge were.

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Friday, March 18, 2016 06:21:16
    On Wed, 16 Mar 2016 20:36:56 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, 17 March 2016 15:54:15 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 16 Mar 2016 19:23:07 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, 17 March 2016 15:19:51 UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
    On Thursday, 17 March 2016 14:36:35 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    Some time ago National and Key wanted a distraction from their failed >> >> > economic policies (usual; National increase in unemployed, low wages
    rates leading to more poverty, embarrassing hand-outs to friends,
    business profits (and tax revenue down because more people not
    spending).

    Unemployment is falling. Wages are rising. Inflation is less than wage rises. Economic growth is solid.

    So what is failing again, Dickbot, apart from the opposition?


    So what did they do? Found a distraction. In this case it was security >> >> > - so they found an enemy to justify more spying on our own* - and of
    course the convenient scape-goats were immigrants and/or Muslems


    It's Angry little Andy and Labour that routinely take potshots at immigrants, not the Nats.

    Since there were demonstrably no problems with their chosen group, Key >> >> > had to lie - so they invented women New Zealanders going to marry ISIS >> >> > soldiers - see
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/291631/terror-attacks-'excite'-nz-radicals


    I think it's great the way useful idiots rant on about stuff like this. It's just a constant reminder that they are heading for an electoral iceberg. Again.

    Great copy for the news media - "Jihadi Brides!" with Kitteredge being >> >> > forced to put the numbers as "up to 12" at the time, but still
    leaving the feeling that we were harbouring terrorists - they
    mentioned 40 people on a watchlist at the same time.

    Are you saying Islam is a race now?


    It turns out that "less than 12", is one or two, and that there were
    none who left from New Zealand - any such people having been resident >> >> > in Australia before going overseas.

    The offended minority called for proof - but of course the racist
    National Party ignored that - the damage to trust in the community
    meant nothing compared with their politicising spin.

    What "race" are we talking about here?

    Just so you understand: when Labour whinge about the Chinese, that's racist because Chinese is a race. Islamic is not a race. Got it yet, Dumbo?


    Evidently some people smelt a rat, and tried to find out more through >> >> > an Official Information request, so now we have this:

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/299119/nz's-'jihadi-brides'-left-from-australia

    and also (using the same photograph - that's cheap journalism!):
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/299157/stop-'fear-mongering'-about-muslims


    So what's the betting some Nat-bot wil try to excuse this blatant
    misleading of New Zealanders for partisan political purposes - by
    attempting to divert this thread to something else . . .

    Goodness, a politician misleading people. Surely no left wing politician does that, eh?

    Idiot.

    And it was public servant Rebecca Ketteridge who provided the information that Key repeated. Are you suggesting that the PM should not trust the information provided by the relevant and politically neutral public service?

    Key did no repeatt it - he asked a question to get the answer that he
    wanted - "Jihadi Bride" came from Key not Kitteridge,

    Whio care's what name was given - the statement that NZ women were going to the ME to marry was information provided by Ketteridge.

    And Key has admitte that they knew that the women had been in
    Australia when they left, and that "up to 12" was in fact "up to 2"




    But you are right that both should apologise for misleading by
    ommission

    Idiot.
    Indeed both Key and Kitteridge were.


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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to All on Saturday, March 19, 2016 15:11:31
    "JohnO" <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote in message news:9d15874a-51fc-42d2-90cd-abc67872c570@googlegroups.com...
    On Thursday, 17 March 2016 14:36:35 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    Some time ago National and Key wanted a distraction from their failed
    economic policies (usual; National increase in unemployed, low wages
    rates leading to more poverty, embarrassing hand-outs to friends,
    business profits (and tax revenue down because more people not
    spending).

    Unemployment is falling. Wages are rising. Inflation is less than wage
    rises. Economic growth is solid.

    So what is failing again, Dickbot, apart from the opposition?


    Stop confusing Rich with facts JohnO. You know it just makes him go soak up more bullshit from his racist leader little Andy!


    So what did they do? Found a distraction. In this case it was security
    - so they found an enemy to justify more spying on our own* - and of
    course the convenient scape-goats were immigrants and/or Muslems


    It's Angry little Andy and Labour that routinely take potshots at
    immigrants, not the Nats.


    There ya go again! You trying to give Rich a heart attack hitting the sap
    with the truth?

    Since there were demonstrably no problems with their chosen group, Key
    had to lie - so they invented women New Zealanders going to marry ISIS
    soldiers - see
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/291631/terror-attacks-'excite'-nz-radicals


    I think it's great the way useful idiots rant on about stuff like this.
    It's just a constant reminder that they are heading for an electoral
    iceberg. Again.

    Great copy for the news media - "Jihadi Brides!" with Kitteredge being
    forced to put the numbers as "up to 12" at the time, but still
    leaving the feeling that we were harbouring terrorists - they
    mentioned 40 people on a watchlist at the same time.

    Are you saying Islam is a race now?


    It turns out that "less than 12", is one or two, and that there were
    none who left from New Zealand - any such people having been resident
    in Australia before going overseas.


    So Rich thinks anyone who is a NZ citizen lose their citizenship when they leave the country? Has Rich leaked a future Labour policy here?

    The offended minority called for proof - but of course the racist
    National Party ignored that - the damage to trust in the community
    meant nothing compared with their politicising spin.

    What "race" are we talking about here?

    Just so you understand: when Labour whinge about the Chinese, that's
    racist because Chinese is a race. Islamic is not a race. Got it yet,
    Dumbo?


    NOT FAIR! Using logic to show up Rich is beyond the pale JohnO. You keep
    this up I'll be forced to do something!


    Evidently some people smelt a rat, and tried to find out more through
    an Official Information request, so now we have this:

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/299119/nz's-'jihadi-brides'-left-from-australia

    and also (using the same photograph - that's cheap journalism!):
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/299157/stop-'fear-mongering'-about-muslims


    So what's the betting some Nat-bot wil try to excuse this blatant
    misleading of New Zealanders for partisan political purposes - by
    attempting to divert this thread to something else . . .

    Goodness, a politician misleading people. Surely no left wing politician
    does that, eh?


    MWAHAHA! Check this out JohnO
    http://www.labour.org.nz/andrew_little_responds :)

    Pooh
    Idiot.

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Saturday, March 19, 2016 15:12:55
    "Rich80105" <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:207keb56bnn890nv52vhio1cvnkbpt6k5u@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 16 Mar 2016 19:23:07 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, 17 March 2016 15:19:51 UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
    On Thursday, 17 March 2016 14:36:35 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    Some time ago National and Key wanted a distraction from their failed
    economic policies (usual; National increase in unemployed, low wages
    rates leading to more poverty, embarrassing hand-outs to friends,
    business profits (and tax revenue down because more people not
    spending).

    Unemployment is falling. Wages are rising. Inflation is less than wage
    rises. Economic growth is solid.

    So what is failing again, Dickbot, apart from the opposition?


    So what did they do? Found a distraction. In this case it was security >>> > - so they found an enemy to justify more spying on our own* - and of
    course the convenient scape-goats were immigrants and/or Muslems


    It's Angry little Andy and Labour that routinely take potshots at
    immigrants, not the Nats.

    Since there were demonstrably no problems with their chosen group, Key >>> > had to lie - so they invented women New Zealanders going to marry ISIS >>> > soldiers - see
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/291631/terror-attacks-'excite'-nz-radicals


    I think it's great the way useful idiots rant on about stuff like this.
    It's just a constant reminder that they are heading for an electoral
    iceberg. Again.

    Great copy for the news media - "Jihadi Brides!" with Kitteredge being >>> > forced to put the numbers as "up to 12" at the time, but still
    leaving the feeling that we were harbouring terrorists - they
    mentioned 40 people on a watchlist at the same time.

    Are you saying Islam is a race now?


    It turns out that "less than 12", is one or two, and that there were
    none who left from New Zealand - any such people having been resident
    in Australia before going overseas.

    The offended minority called for proof - but of course the racist
    National Party ignored that - the damage to trust in the community
    meant nothing compared with their politicising spin.

    What "race" are we talking about here?

    Just so you understand: when Labour whinge about the Chinese, that's
    racist because Chinese is a race. Islamic is not a race. Got it yet,
    Dumbo?


    Evidently some people smelt a rat, and tried to find out more through
    an Official Information request, so now we have this:

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/299119/nz's-'jihadi-brides'-left-from-australia

    and also (using the same photograph - that's cheap journalism!):
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/299157/stop-'fear-mongering'-about-muslims


    So what's the betting some Nat-bot wil try to excuse this blatant
    misleading of New Zealanders for partisan political purposes - by
    attempting to divert this thread to something else . . .

    Goodness, a politician misleading people. Surely no left wing politician >>> does that, eh?

    Idiot.

    And it was public servant Rebecca Ketteridge who provided the information >>that Key repeated. Are you suggesting that the PM should not trust the >>information provided by the relevant and politically neutral public >>service?

    Key did no repeatt it - he asked a question to get the answer that he
    wanted - "Jihadi Bride" came from Key not Kitteridge,

    But you are right that both should apologise for misleading by
    ommission

    Idiot.
    Indeed both Key and Kitteridge were.

    Wrong! You and your precious Labour party are the idiots Rich. This proves
    that beyond a doubt http://www.labour.org.nz/andrew_little_responds

    Pooh

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Saturday, March 19, 2016 15:14:01
    "Rich80105" <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:7qpleb18l3kv0bdectj2i2hjulkfplu4a4@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 16 Mar 2016 20:36:56 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, 17 March 2016 15:54:15 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 16 Mar 2016 19:23:07 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, 17 March 2016 15:19:51 UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
    On Thursday, 17 March 2016 14:36:35 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    Some time ago National and Key wanted a distraction from their
    failed
    economic policies (usual; National increase in unemployed, low
    wages
    rates leading to more poverty, embarrassing hand-outs to friends,
    business profits (and tax revenue down because more people not
    spending).

    Unemployment is falling. Wages are rising. Inflation is less than
    wage rises. Economic growth is solid.

    So what is failing again, Dickbot, apart from the opposition?


    So what did they do? Found a distraction. In this case it was
    security
    - so they found an enemy to justify more spying on our own* - and
    of
    course the convenient scape-goats were immigrants and/or Muslems


    It's Angry little Andy and Labour that routinely take potshots at
    immigrants, not the Nats.

    Since there were demonstrably no problems with their chosen group,
    Key
    had to lie - so they invented women New Zealanders going to marry
    ISIS
    soldiers - see
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/291631/terror-attacks-'excite'-nz-radicals


    I think it's great the way useful idiots rant on about stuff like
    this. It's just a constant reminder that they are heading for an
    electoral iceberg. Again.

    Great copy for the news media - "Jihadi Brides!" with Kitteredge
    being
    forced to put the numbers as "up to 12" at the time, but still
    leaving the feeling that we were harbouring terrorists - they
    mentioned 40 people on a watchlist at the same time.

    Are you saying Islam is a race now?


    It turns out that "less than 12", is one or two, and that there
    were
    none who left from New Zealand - any such people having been
    resident
    in Australia before going overseas.

    The offended minority called for proof - but of course the racist
    National Party ignored that - the damage to trust in the community
    meant nothing compared with their politicising spin.

    What "race" are we talking about here?

    Just so you understand: when Labour whinge about the Chinese, that's
    racist because Chinese is a race. Islamic is not a race. Got it yet,
    Dumbo?


    Evidently some people smelt a rat, and tried to find out more
    through
    an Official Information request, so now we have this:

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/299119/nz's-'jihadi-brides'-left-from-australia

    and also (using the same photograph - that's cheap journalism!):
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/299157/stop-'fear-mongering'-about-muslims


    So what's the betting some Nat-bot wil try to excuse this blatant
    misleading of New Zealanders for partisan political purposes - by
    attempting to divert this thread to something else . . .

    Goodness, a politician misleading people. Surely no left wing
    politician does that, eh?

    Idiot.

    And it was public servant Rebecca Ketteridge who provided the
    information that Key repeated. Are you suggesting that the PM should
    not trust the information provided by the relevant and politically
    neutral public service?

    Key did no repeatt it - he asked a question to get the answer that he
    wanted - "Jihadi Bride" came from Key not Kitteridge,

    Whio care's what name was given - the statement that NZ women were going
    to the ME to marry was information provided by Ketteridge.

    And Key has admitte that they knew that the women had been in
    Australia when they left, and that "up to 12" was in fact "up to 2"


    and_they_were_NZ-citizen you idiotic twit!


    But you are right that both should apologise for misleading by
    ommission

    Idiot.
    Indeed both Key and Kitteridge were.


    Pooh

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Saturday, March 19, 2016 15:22:19
    "Rich80105" <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:cf6keb54aon3imkoaoj1dv86kjpslea6hh@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 16 Mar 2016 19:19:49 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, 17 March 2016 14:36:35 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    Some time ago National and Key wanted a distraction from their failed
    economic policies (usual; National increase in unemployed, low wages
    rates leading to more poverty, embarrassing hand-outs to friends,
    business profits (and tax revenue down because more people not
    spending).

    Unemployment is falling. Wages are rising. Inflation is less than wage >>rises. Economic growth is solid.

    Those were not hte indications last year - and even now the iprovement
    in those statistics leave us worse off than at any time duing the
    previous period of a Labour government. Wages are at about the same
    real level as 20 years ago, while overall GDP has risen much faster.
    Not much success for the majority of the population there - although
    to befair National never pretended to have policies to meet the needs
    of all New Zealanders.


    BULLSHIT!
    \

    So what is failing again, Dickbot, apart from the opposition?


    So what did they do? Found a distraction. In this case it was security
    - so they found an enemy to justify more spying on our own* - and of
    course the convenient scape-goats were immigrants and/or Muslems


    It's Angry little Andy and Labour that routinely take potshots at >>immigrants, not the Nats.
    Does that unsuppoerted assertion excuse Key from accusing them of
    being a significant threat to security? To lying about "Jihadi
    brides"?


    Try reading Stuff or the Herald rather than relying on the Stranded, norightturn, polity and the Labour website Rich. JohnO's assertion is
    supported by every legitimate news source in New Zealand!


    Since there were demonstrably no problems with their chosen group, Key
    had to lie - so they invented women New Zealanders going to marry ISIS
    soldiers - see
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/291631/terror-attacks-'excite'-nz-radicals


    I think it's great the way useful idiots rant on about stuff like this. >>It's just a constant reminder that they are heading for an electoral >>iceberg. Again.

    What is it about your leader sying that you enjoy, JohnO?


    Rich no matter what you might think when New Zealand citizens go to
    Australia they remain New Zealand citizens so the assertion that New
    Zealanders going to marry ISIS was quite accurate unlike the bullshit coming from Labour and the Greens.


    Great copy for the news media - "Jihadi Brides!" with Kitteredge being
    forced to put the numbers as "up to 12" at the time, but still
    leaving the feeling that we were harbouring terrorists - they
    mentioned 40 people on a watchlist at the same time.

    Are you saying Islam is a race now?
    They weren't attacking pakeha New Zealanders - is that race in your
    view?

    Answer the question you moronic marxist muppet!


    It turns out that "less than 12", is one or two, and that there were
    none who left from New Zealand - any such people having been resident
    in Australia before going overseas.

    The offended minority called for proof - but of course the racist
    National Party ignored that - the damage to trust in the community
    meant nothing compared with their politicising spin.

    What "race" are we talking about here?
    The racist National Party, with Key being deliberately misleading to
    pander to the prejudices of those he was targetting.



    National isn't attacking Chinese and Indians Rich. That's your glorious
    Liebor party. National is addressing concerns many New Zealanders have about moslem immigrants which at worse could be construed as RELIGOUS bias which
    due to your lack of comprehension (so typical of the fanatical left like
    you) you think is about race.

    Just so you understand: when Labour whinge about the Chinese, that's
    racist because Chinese is a race. Islamic is not a race. Got it yet,
    Dumbo?
    Nobody has "whinged" about the Chinese - you forget that Labour
    succesfully negotiated a trade deal with China - they were and remain
    our friends, and that agreement has been good for both countries.


    Little Andy whinged about the Chinese for the second bloody time you noncomprehending marxist muppet!


    Evidently some people smelt a rat, and tried to find out more through
    an Official Information request, so now we have this:

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/299119/nz's-'jihadi-brides'-left-from-australia

    and also (using the same photograph - that's cheap journalism!):
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/299157/stop-'fear-mongering'-about-muslims


    So what's the betting some Nat-bot wil try to excuse this blatant
    misleading of New Zealanders for partisan political purposes - by
    attempting to divert this thread to something else . . .

    Goodness, a politician misleading people. Surely no left wing politician >>does that, eh?
    I accept your admission that Key misled.


    Idiot.

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