• A clarification and confirmation . . .

    From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Thursday, March 17, 2016 12:58:20
    One of the defining features of this government’s political style is
    how often Prime Minister John Key chooses to sound like a mere
    observer of political events. The public may think that they elected
    him to lead, and to be the captain on the field but – time and again –
    he seems far more comfortable in commenting from the sidelines. The
    banks’ refusal to pass on the RBNZ’s interest rate cuts? They’re
    charging 20% interest on credit cards when interest rates are barely
    flickering above 2%? They’re pillaging New Zealand to the tune of
    $4.59 billion a year in profits? They’re making New Zealanders pay
    through the nose for the banks’ own increased costs of international
    borrowing?

    Jeepers, that’s simply how the system works. They charge: you pay. Oh,
    and Labour wants to do something about it – by engaging critically
    with the banks and/or passing legislation to ensure they pass on
    interest rate reductions to their customers? “They just don’t
    understand how the banks operate,” Key says, while standing on the
    sidelines with his hands in his pockets.

    Not his problem. After all, the predatory nature of the New Zealand
    banking system is only a problem for families with mortgages, for
    farmers in trouble and the like. And if they complain… well evidently
    they too, just don’t know how the banking system operates.

    It's not as if there aren’t viable options, either. According to
    Finance Minister Bill English on Q&A last weekend, “competition”
    between the banks is the only, best solution for ordinary Kiwis when
    it comes to dealing with any tendency to price gouging by the Aussie
    banks. Leave aside the fact that there is little or no competition
    between those banks on credit card interest rates, a field in which
    they seem to operate as a virtual cartel. If English is serious about
    the virtues of competition, then shouldn’t the government be putting
    more capital into Kiwibank to enable it to compete more successfully
    with the Aussie banks? But no, the government isn’t doing that,
    either. Oh, Key can express sympathy and he will remember to furrow
    his brow in the relevant photo ops, but don’t expect too much.
    Essentially, he’s the nation’s best mate, its Re-Assurer In Chief.
    Jeepers, that must hurt. Now, what about this flag idea of mine?
    Pretty neat, huh?

    Mind you, on the few occasions when Key does try to play the
    leadership card, you almost wish he wouldn’t. In Parliament yesterday,
    Key seriously offered his solutions to the nation’s problems (a) the
    reform of the RMA, which has turned out to be token at best (b) the
    signing of the TPP, which will deliver barely discernible gains over
    the course of 15 years, and (c) the government’s investment in
    irrigation schemes, which will raise the cost of a product that the
    rest of the world is already producing in excess, more cheaply than
    New Zealand.

    Source: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1603/S00064/gordon-campbell-on-govts-impotence-towards-banks-and-iran.htm

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to Of course there is. Your stupidity on Wednesday, March 16, 2016 18:02:04
    On Thursday, 17 March 2016 12:58:32 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    One of the defining features of this government's political style is
    how often Prime Minister John Key chooses to sound like a mere
    observer of political events. The public may think that they elected
    him to lead, and to be the captain on the field but - time and again -
    he seems far more comfortable in commenting from the sidelines. The
    banks' refusal to pass on the RBNZ's interest rate cuts?

    Why should they? Money for morgages doesn't come from the RBNZ it comes from lenders and the OCR has little to do with it. Anyone with a scrap of understanding knows this. You and Little do not.

    They're
    charging 20% interest on credit cards when interest rates are barely flickering above 2%?

    So? It's a free country there's nothing illegal here. If people are stupid enough to pay credit card interest rates there's not much the government can do
    about that.

    They're pillaging New Zealand to the tune of
    $4.59 billion a year in profits?

    So?

    They're making New Zealanders pay
    through the nose for the banks' own increased costs of international borrowing?

    Duh! Businesses pass on costs to customers, *obviously*.


    Jeepers, that's simply how the system works. They charge: you pay. Oh,
    and Labour wants to do something about it - by engaging critically
    with the banks and/or passing legislation to ensure they pass on
    interest rate reductions to their customers?

    As explained, the OCR doesn't mean an interest rate cut on the deposits to the bank that are then lent out to mortgage borrowers.

    "They just don't
    understand how the banks operate," Key says, while standing on the
    sidelines with his hands in his pockets.

    He's right.


    Not his problem. After all, the predatory nature of the New Zealand
    banking system is only a problem for families with mortgages, for
    farmers in trouble and the like. And if they complain... well evidently
    they too, just don't know how the banking system operates.

    Mortgage interest rates haven't been this low in decades. Why on earth are you whinging?


    It's not as if there aren't viable options, either. According to
    Finance Minister Bill English on Q&A last weekend, "competition"
    between the banks is the only, best solution for ordinary Kiwis when
    it comes to dealing with any tendency to price gouging by the Aussie
    banks.

    And Kiwibank. And TSB. And SBS, Heartland Bank etc. It's nothing to do with Australian or NZ or China or whatever.

    Leave aside the fact that there is little or no competition
    between those banks on credit card interest rates, a field in which

    Of course there is. Your stupidity and ignorance is beyond belief. All of the main banks offer low interest credit cards. As I said, only the stupid pay 20% interest.

    they seem to operate as a virtual cartel. If English is serious about
    the virtues of competition, then shouldn't the government be putting
    more capital into Kiwibank to enable it to compete more successfully
    with the Aussie banks? But no, the government isn't doing that,

    There's no reason why they need to... Kiwibank and the others I mentioned already do compete.

    either. Oh, Key can express sympathy and he will remember to furrow
    his brow in the relevant photo ops, but don't expect too much.
    Essentially, he's the nation's best mate, its Re-Assurer In Chief.
    Jeepers, that must hurt. Now, what about this flag idea of mine?
    Pretty neat, huh?

    Mind you, on the few occasions when Key does try to play the
    leadership card, you almost wish he wouldn't. In Parliament yesterday,
    Key seriously offered his solutions to the nation's problems (a) the
    reform of the RMA, which has turned out to be token at best (b) the
    signing of the TPP, which will deliver barely discernible gains over
    the course of 15 years, and (c) the government's investment in
    irrigation schemes, which will raise the cost of a product that the
    rest of the world is already producing in excess, more cheaply than
    New Zealand.

    Source: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1603/S00064/gordon-campbell-on-govts-impotence-towards-banks-and-iran.htm

    Really Dickbot, your abject ignorance of banking and finance is staggering.

    Meanwhile, Little's crazy ideas about the same subject are getting mercilessly bagged from all directions - academics, economists and journalists.

    http://www.mortgagerates.co.nz/article/976503971/no-role-for-politicians-in-ocr-uproar-experts.html

    "To date, only The Co-Operative Bank has passed on the full cut to its floating
    home loan rate customers."

    Others have followed. It's called "competition" Dickbot, and instead of whining, move your business to Co-operative.

    Little's ideas and outbursts about interests are inane and ignorant. Your unquestioning support for them is predictable.

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  • From Crash@3:770/3 to All on Thursday, March 17, 2016 14:45:22
    On Thu, 17 Mar 2016 12:58:20 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    One of the defining features of this government’s political style is
    how often Prime Minister John Key chooses to sound like a mere
    observer of political events. The public may think that they elected
    him to lead, and to be the captain on the field but – time and again –
    he seems far more comfortable in commenting from the sidelines.

    If you are so critical of National and John Key, what do you think of
    the opposition parties and their (current and former) leaders who have
    been rejected repeatedly since 2008 despite such a poor leader of
    National?

    The banks’ refusal to pass on the RBNZ’s interest rate cuts?

    Technically that's a lie. Banks have cut interest rates since the OCR
    was lowered. See this:

    http://www.mortgagerates.co.nz/article/976503971/no-role-for-politicians-in-ocr-uproar-experts.html

    They’re charging 20% interest on credit cards when interest rates are barely >flickering above 2%?

    Why is this a problem? Who pays this interest other than those that
    choose to?

    They’re pillaging New Zealand to the tune of
    $4.59 billion a year in profits?

    Been reading stuff have we?

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/73612560/asb-anz-bnz-and-westpac-rake-in-459-billion-of-profits

    Read it again. Look at the comments David Tripe has made.

    They’re making New Zealanders pay
    through the nose for the banks’ own increased costs of international >borrowing?

    My local pub increased the price of a pint from $6.00 to $6.10,
    blaming increased costs from the brewery. So its not just the banks
    that are making New Zealanders pay through the nose for increased
    costs.

    Jeepers, that’s simply how the system works. They charge: you pay.

    Should that not read "They charge: you choose whether or not to pay"?

    Oh, and Labour wants to do something about it – by engaging critically
    with the banks and/or passing legislation to ensure they pass on
    interest rate reductions to their customers?

    I thought Muldoon was dead. His ideas have found new life with Andrew
    Little and Labour. Should go down a treat.

    “They just don’t
    understand how the banks operate,” Key says, while standing on the
    sidelines with his hands in his pockets.

    Really? Is this the best you can do?

    Not his problem. After all, the predatory nature of the New Zealand
    banking system is only a problem for families with mortgages, for
    farmers in trouble and the like. And if they complain… well evidently
    they too, just don’t know how the banking system operates.

    It's not as if there aren’t viable options, either. According to
    Finance Minister Bill English on Q&A last weekend, “competition”
    between the banks is the only, best solution for ordinary Kiwis when
    it comes to dealing with any tendency to price gouging by the Aussie
    banks. Leave aside the fact that there is little or no competition
    between those banks on credit card interest rates, a field in which
    they seem to operate as a virtual cartel. If English is serious about
    the virtues of competition, then shouldn’t the government be putting
    more capital into Kiwibank to enable it to compete more successfully
    with the Aussie banks? But no, the government isn’t doing that,
    either. Oh, Key can express sympathy and he will remember to furrow
    his brow in the relevant photo ops, but don’t expect too much.
    Essentially, he’s the nation’s best mate, its Re-Assurer In Chief.
    Jeepers, that must hurt. Now, what about this flag idea of mine?
    Pretty neat, huh?

    Mind you, on the few occasions when Key does try to play the
    leadership card, you almost wish he wouldn’t. In Parliament yesterday,
    Key seriously offered his solutions to the nation’s problems (a) the
    reform of the RMA, which has turned out to be token at best (b) the
    signing of the TPP, which will deliver barely discernible gains over
    the course of 15 years, and (c) the government’s investment in
    irrigation schemes, which will raise the cost of a product that the
    rest of the world is already producing in excess, more cheaply than
    New Zealand.

    Source: >http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1603/S00064/gordon-campbell-on-govts-impotence-towards-banks-and-iran.htm

    Rich you are entitled to your assessment of John Key and National but
    the fact is that even though both are in their third term of
    government both enjoy levels of support bordering on a Parliamentary
    majority. You don't seem able to grasp the fact that very large
    numbers of Kiwi voters don't buy into the opinions you have expressed
    above. Until the opposition parties can figure out how to exploit the
    many weaknesses of John Key and National, they will remain so.


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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to All on Saturday, March 19, 2016 14:59:29
    "JohnO" <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote in message news:e9e69875-408a-4d9e-a4cf-26c0c1515cdc@googlegroups.com...
    On Thursday, 17 March 2016 12:58:32 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    One of the defining features of this government's political style is
    how often Prime Minister John Key chooses to sound like a mere
    observer of political events. The public may think that they elected
    him to lead, and to be the captain on the field but - time and again -
    he seems far more comfortable in commenting from the sidelines. The
    banks' refusal to pass on the RBNZ's interest rate cuts?

    Why should they? Money for morgages doesn't come from the RBNZ it comes
    from lenders and the OCR has little to do with it. Anyone with a scrap of understanding knows this. You and Little do not.

    They're
    charging 20% interest on credit cards when interest rates are barely
    flickering above 2%?

    The OCR is on 2% Rich. Credit cards are a whole new thing. Apart from which
    if you've invested money you should get a damn sight more than 2% back. Or
    are you suggesting little Andy should strong arm the public companys to only pay their shareholders 2%?


    So? It's a free country there's nothing illegal here. If people are stupid enough to pay credit card interest rates there's not much the government
    can do about that.

    They're pillaging New Zealand to the tune of
    $4.59 billion a year in profits?

    So?


    No problem if those like Rich and Little are to bloody thick to keep their
    card debt down to managable levels. Most of this money is coming from the financialy stupid.

    They're making New Zealanders pay
    through the nose for the banks' own increased costs of international
    borrowing?

    Duh! Businesses pass on costs to customers, *obviously*.


    Jeepers, that's simply how the system works. They charge: you pay. Oh,
    and Labour wants to do something about it - by engaging critically
    with the banks and/or passing legislation to ensure they pass on
    interest rate reductions to their customers?

    As explained, the OCR doesn't mean an interest rate cut on the deposits to the bank that are then lent out to mortgage borrowers.

    "They just don't
    understand how the banks operate," Key says, while standing on the
    sidelines with his hands in his pockets.

    He's right.


    Not his problem. After all, the predatory nature of the New Zealand
    banking system is only a problem for families with mortgages, for
    farmers in trouble and the like. And if they complain... well evidently
    they too, just don't know how the banking system operates.

    Mortgage interest rates haven't been this low in decades. Why on earth are you whinging?


    It's not as if there aren't viable options, either. According to
    Finance Minister Bill English on Q&A last weekend, "competition"
    between the banks is the only, best solution for ordinary Kiwis when
    it comes to dealing with any tendency to price gouging by the Aussie
    banks.

    And Kiwibank. And TSB. And SBS, Heartland Bank etc. It's nothing to do
    with Australian or NZ or China or whatever.


    You forgot the Cooperative bank who actualy share their profits with the customers. But then Rich is the sort of dumb lefty loon who stays with his overseas bank because Daddy did. Just like he votes.

    Leave aside the fact that there is little or no competition
    between those banks on credit card interest rates, a field in which

    Of course there is. Your stupidity and ignorance is beyond belief. All of
    the main banks offer low interest credit cards. As I said, only the stupid pay 20% interest.


    Smart people use debit cards! But idiots like Rich are happy to owe interest
    on other peoples money just like the loopy lefty he is.

    they seem to operate as a virtual cartel. If English is serious about
    the virtues of competition, then shouldn't the government be putting
    more capital into Kiwibank to enable it to compete more successfully
    with the Aussie banks? But no, the government isn't doing that,

    There's no reason why they need to... Kiwibank and the others I mentioned already do compete.


    Besides why should the government put more capital into KiwiBank? It hasn't paid back any of the capital it's already taken from the taxpayers?

    either. Oh, Key can express sympathy and he will remember to furrow
    his brow in the relevant photo ops, but don't expect too much.
    Essentially, he's the nation's best mate, its Re-Assurer In Chief.
    Jeepers, that must hurt. Now, what about this flag idea of mine?
    Pretty neat, huh?

    Mind you, on the few occasions when Key does try to play the
    leadership card, you almost wish he wouldn't. In Parliament yesterday,
    Key seriously offered his solutions to the nation's problems (a) the
    reform of the RMA, which has turned out to be token at best (b) the
    signing of the TPP, which will deliver barely discernible gains over
    the course of 15 years, and (c) the government's investment in
    irrigation schemes, which will raise the cost of a product that the
    rest of the world is already producing in excess, more cheaply than
    New Zealand.

    Source:
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1603/S00064/gordon-campbell-on-govts-impotence-towards-banks-and-iran.htm

    Really Dickbot, your abject ignorance of banking and finance is
    staggering.


    considering his abject ignorance on everything else he posts it shouldn't surprise you JohnO :)

    Meanwhile, Little's crazy ideas about the same subject are getting mercilessly bagged from all directions - academics, economists and journalists.

    http://www.mortgagerates.co.nz/article/976503971/no-role-for-politicians-in-ocr-uproar-experts.html

    "To date, only The Co-Operative Bank has passed on the full cut to its floating home loan rate customers."

    Others have followed. It's called "competition" Dickbot, and instead of whining, move your business to Co-operative.

    No way! I don't want the Cooperative bank letting Rich soak up my money into his credit card debt! Let the prick support the Aussie banks like the hypocritical whinger he is. He deserves them!


    Little's ideas and outbursts about interests are inane and ignorant. Your unquestioning support for them is predictable.

    Pooh

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