• Liebor doesn't do it again

    From george152@3:770/3 to All on Sunday, March 13, 2016 08:09:59
    Kelvin Davis wants an enquiry into how some-one committed suicide in Mt
    Eden Remand prison...
    To be honest why doesn't he do the same for those who killed themselves
    under the unionised Department of Corrections..
    Or are there orders from the unions ?

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to gblack@hnpl.net on Sunday, March 13, 2016 20:00:38
    "george152" <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote in message news:97SdnQ4EP5QV9HnLnZ2dnUU7-W_NnZ2d@giganews.com...
    Kelvin Davis wants an enquiry into how some-one committed suicide in Mt
    Eden Remand prison...
    To be honest why doesn't he do the same for those who killed themselves
    under the unionised Department of Corrections..
    Or are there orders from the unions ?

    You answered your own question there George :)

    Pooh

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to gblack@hnpl.net on Sunday, March 13, 2016 22:59:50
    On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 08:09:59 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

    Kelvin Davis wants an enquiry into how some-one committed suicide in Mt
    Eden Remand prison...
    To be honest why doesn't he do the same for those who killed themselves
    under the unionised Department of Corrections..
    Or are there orders from the unions ?

    There should be an automatic enquiry whenever there is a death in
    prison, regardless of who manages it. It is not always possible to
    predict potential suicides, but any death other than through natural
    causes indicates at least a small failure of the system - even a short
    period looking at whether anything could have been done may lead to
    better processes. Certainly an increase in the percentage of deaths
    would suggest the need for better reviews for a while at least. .

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  • From Liberty@3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Monday, March 14, 2016 12:47:23
    On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 22:59:50 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 08:09:59 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

    Kelvin Davis wants an enquiry into how some-one committed suicide in Mt >>Eden Remand prison...
    To be honest why doesn't he do the same for those who killed themselves >>under the unionised Department of Corrections..
    Or are there orders from the unions ?

    There should be an automatic enquiry whenever there is a death in
    prison,

    Why? It was his/her personal choice to commit suicide.

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  • From Fred@3:770/3 to All on Monday, March 14, 2016 16:15:13
    On 14/03/2016 3:42 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 12:47:23 +1300, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 22:59:50 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 08:09:59 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

    Kelvin Davis wants an enquiry into how some-one committed suicide in Mt >>>> Eden Remand prison...
    To be honest why doesn't he do the same for those who killed themselves >>>> under the unionised Department of Corrections..
    Or are there orders from the unions ?

    There should be an automatic enquiry whenever there is a death in
    prison,

    Why? It was his/her personal choice to commit suicide.

    You probably think it is personal choice to be poor, to be mentally
    ill, physically ill, addicted to alcohol or other substances, to be in
    a relationship that falls apart, to be lonely and not in any
    relationship, to be desperate, to be in places where you are beated or robbed. Yes in some cases poor personal choices may have been a
    factor, "Liberty" - but does that mean we should just walk on the
    other side of the road when we imprison someone and the system does
    not adequately assess whetehr they are a danger to themselves, or
    remove from them objects by which they may self-harm? After all,
    these are people who have had their Liberty taken away - is that not significant to you?

    How do you get beated?

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Monday, March 14, 2016 15:42:08
    On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 12:47:23 +1300, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 22:59:50 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 08:09:59 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

    Kelvin Davis wants an enquiry into how some-one committed suicide in Mt >>>Eden Remand prison...
    To be honest why doesn't he do the same for those who killed themselves >>>under the unionised Department of Corrections..
    Or are there orders from the unions ?

    There should be an automatic enquiry whenever there is a death in
    prison,

    Why? It was his/her personal choice to commit suicide.

    You probably think it is personal choice to be poor, to be mentally
    ill, physically ill, addicted to alcohol or other substances, to be in
    a relationship that falls apart, to be lonely and not in any
    relationship, to be desperate, to be in places where you are beated or
    robbed. Yes in some cases poor personal choices may have been a
    factor, "Liberty" - but does that mean we should just walk on the
    other side of the road when we imprison someone and the system does
    not adequately assess whetehr they are a danger to themselves, or
    remove from them objects by which they may self-harm? After all,
    these are people who have had their Liberty taken away - is that not significant to you?

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to Fred on Sunday, March 13, 2016 20:30:43
    On Monday, 14 March 2016 16:15:26 UTC+13, Fred wrote:
    On 14/03/2016 3:42 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 12:47:23 +1300, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 22:59:50 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 08:09:59 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote: >>>
    Kelvin Davis wants an enquiry into how some-one committed suicide in Mt >>>> Eden Remand prison...
    To be honest why doesn't he do the same for those who killed themselves >>>> under the unionised Department of Corrections..
    Or are there orders from the unions ?

    There should be an automatic enquiry whenever there is a death in
    prison,

    Why? It was his/her personal choice to commit suicide.

    You probably think it is personal choice to be poor, to be mentally
    ill, physically ill, addicted to alcohol or other substances, to be in
    a relationship that falls apart, to be lonely and not in any
    relationship, to be desperate, to be in places where you are beated or robbed. Yes in some cases poor personal choices may have been a
    factor, "Liberty" - but does that mean we should just walk on the
    other side of the road when we imprison someone and the system does
    not adequately assess whetehr they are a danger to themselves, or
    remove from them objects by which they may self-harm? After all,
    these are people who have had their Liberty taken away - is that not significant to you?

    How do you get beated?

    Dunno but I think Dickbot was talking about himself there.

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  • From george152@3:770/3 to Fred on Monday, March 14, 2016 16:49:55
    On 3/14/2016 4:15 PM, Fred wrote:
    On 14/03/2016 3:42 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 12:47:23 +1300, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 22:59:50 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 08:09:59 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote: >>>>
    Kelvin Davis wants an enquiry into how some-one committed suicide
    in Mt
    Eden Remand prison...
    To be honest why doesn't he do the same for those who killed
    themselves
    under the unionised Department of Corrections..
    Or are there orders from the unions ?

    There should be an automatic enquiry whenever there is a death in
    prison,

    Why? It was his/her personal choice to commit suicide.

    You probably think it is personal choice to be poor, to be mentally
    ill, physically ill, addicted to alcohol or other substances, to be in
    a relationship that falls apart, to be lonely and not in any
    relationship, to be desperate, to be in places where you are beated or
    robbed. Yes in some cases poor personal choices may have been a
    factor, "Liberty" - but does that mean we should just walk on the
    other side of the road when we imprison someone and the system does
    not adequately assess whetehr they are a danger to themselves, or
    remove from them objects by which they may self-harm? After all,
    these are people who have had their Liberty taken away - is that not
    significant to you?

    How do you get beated?

    I'd leave the village idiot to his misconstrued thinking and inability
    with the english language...

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  • From Liberty@3:770/3 to Fred on Monday, March 14, 2016 16:50:23
    On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 16:15:13 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 14/03/2016 3:42 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 12:47:23 +1300, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 22:59:50 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>
    On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 08:09:59 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote: >>>>
    Kelvin Davis wants an enquiry into how some-one committed suicide in Mt >>>>> Eden Remand prison...
    To be honest why doesn't he do the same for those who killed themselves >>>>> under the unionised Department of Corrections..
    Or are there orders from the unions ?

    There should be an automatic enquiry whenever there is a death in
    prison,

    Why? It was his/her personal choice to commit suicide.

    You probably think it is personal choice to be poor, to be mentally
    ill, physically ill, addicted to alcohol or other substances, to be in
    a relationship that falls apart, to be lonely and not in any
    relationship, to be desperate, to be in places where you are beated or
    robbed. Yes in some cases poor personal choices may have been a
    factor, "Liberty" - but does that mean we should just walk on the
    other side of the road when we imprison someone and the system does
    not adequately assess whetehr they are a danger to themselves, or
    remove from them objects by which they may self-harm? After all,
    these are people who have had their Liberty taken away - is that not
    significant to you?

    How do you get beated?

    Academic Rich is away this week.

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to Fred on Monday, March 14, 2016 21:00:06
    On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 16:15:13 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 14/03/2016 3:42 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 12:47:23 +1300, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 22:59:50 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>
    On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 08:09:59 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote: >>>>
    Kelvin Davis wants an enquiry into how some-one committed suicide in Mt >>>>> Eden Remand prison...
    To be honest why doesn't he do the same for those who killed themselves >>>>> under the unionised Department of Corrections..
    Or are there orders from the unions ?

    There should be an automatic enquiry whenever there is a death in
    prison,

    Why? It was his/her personal choice to commit suicide.

    You probably think it is personal choice to be poor, to be mentally
    ill, physically ill, addicted to alcohol or other substances, to be in
    a relationship that falls apart, to be lonely and not in any
    relationship, to be desperate, to be in places where you are beated or
    robbed. Yes in some cases poor personal choices may have been a
    factor, "Liberty" - but does that mean we should just walk on the
    other side of the road when we imprison someone and the system does
    not adequately assess whetehr they are a danger to themselves, or
    remove from them objects by which they may self-harm? After all,
    these are people who have had their Liberty taken away - is that not
    significant to you?

    How do you get beated?

    By typing d instead of n - did you think it was from voting National?

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  • From Liberty@3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 22:48:44
    On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 15:42:08 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 12:47:23 +1300, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 22:59:50 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 08:09:59 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

    Kelvin Davis wants an enquiry into how some-one committed suicide in Mt >>>>Eden Remand prison...
    To be honest why doesn't he do the same for those who killed themselves >>>>under the unionised Department of Corrections..
    Or are there orders from the unions ?

    There should be an automatic enquiry whenever there is a death in
    prison,

    Why? It was his/her personal choice to commit suicide.

    You probably think it is personal choice to be poor, to be mentally
    ill, physically ill, addicted to alcohol or other substances, to be in
    a relationship that falls apart, to be lonely and not in any
    relationship, to be desperate, to be in places where you are beated or >robbed. Yes in some cases poor personal choices may have been a
    factor, "Liberty" - but does that mean we should just walk on the
    other side of the road when we imprison someone and the system does
    not adequately assess whetehr they are a danger to themselves, or
    remove from them objects by which they may self-harm? After all,
    these are people who have had their Liberty taken away - is that not >significant to you?


    The individual was given help. he was locked up. He could of been free to jump of a cliff.
    Would jumping of a cliff result in an enquire. no
    An enquire is to blame someone. When we all ready know it was personal choice.

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  • From george152@3:770/3 to Liberty on Wednesday, March 16, 2016 08:02:44
    On 3/15/2016 10:48 PM, Liberty wrote:

    The individual was given help. he was locked up. He could of been free to
    jump of a cliff.
    Would jumping of a cliff result in an enquire. no
    An enquire is to blame someone. When we all ready know it was personal
    choice.


    And killing yourself in prison must be extremely difficult..
    I should imagine they'd leave you with very few possibilities

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Wednesday, March 16, 2016 12:29:27
    "Rich80105" <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:d09cebl4vcknknj76qctm7n7ij5r5rp0rf@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 12:47:23 +1300, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 22:59:50 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 08:09:59 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

    Kelvin Davis wants an enquiry into how some-one committed suicide in Mt >>>>Eden Remand prison...
    To be honest why doesn't he do the same for those who killed themselves >>>>under the unionised Department of Corrections..
    Or are there orders from the unions ?

    There should be an automatic enquiry whenever there is a death in
    prison,

    Why? It was his/her personal choice to commit suicide.

    You probably think it is personal choice to be poor, to be mentally
    ill, physically ill, addicted to alcohol or other substances, to be in
    a relationship that falls apart, to be lonely and not in any
    relationship, to be desperate, to be in places where you are beated or robbed. Yes in some cases poor personal choices may have been a
    factor, "Liberty" - but does that mean we should just walk on the
    other side of the road when we imprison someone and the system does
    not adequately assess whetehr they are a danger to themselves, or
    remove from them objects by which they may self-harm? After all,
    these are people who have had their Liberty taken away - is that not significant to you?


    In most cases poor choices have a bearing on it Rich. Just because you and
    your darling Labour party want everyone the same in all aspects of life
    doesn't mean it's right or democratic. Suicides keep happening and will forever. Their are many reasons but all lead back to bad choices right up to when they chose to commit suicide. Something your lack of comprehension
    hides from you Rich.

    Pooh

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Wednesday, March 16, 2016 12:31:47
    "Rich80105" <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:5rrcebdshje5113ni9hooooj0pmkn7ltkj@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 16:15:13 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 14/03/2016 3:42 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 12:47:23 +1300, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 22:59:50 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 08:09:59 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote: >>>>>
    Kelvin Davis wants an enquiry into how some-one committed suicide in >>>>>> Mt
    Eden Remand prison...
    To be honest why doesn't he do the same for those who killed
    themselves
    under the unionised Department of Corrections..
    Or are there orders from the unions ?

    There should be an automatic enquiry whenever there is a death in
    prison,

    Why? It was his/her personal choice to commit suicide.

    You probably think it is personal choice to be poor, to be mentally
    ill, physically ill, addicted to alcohol or other substances, to be in
    a relationship that falls apart, to be lonely and not in any
    relationship, to be desperate, to be in places where you are beated or
    robbed. Yes in some cases poor personal choices may have been a
    factor, "Liberty" - but does that mean we should just walk on the
    other side of the road when we imprison someone and the system does
    not adequately assess whetehr they are a danger to themselves, or
    remove from them objects by which they may self-harm? After all,
    these are people who have had their Liberty taken away - is that not
    significant to you?

    How do you get beated?

    By typing d instead of n - did you think it was from voting National?

    Sounds more like the comic reading Labour voter Rich.

    Pooh

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to Fred on Wednesday, March 16, 2016 12:30:37
    "Fred" <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:nc5a6i$97e$1@dont-email.me...
    On 14/03/2016 3:42 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 12:47:23 +1300, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 22:59:50 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 08:09:59 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote: >>>>
    Kelvin Davis wants an enquiry into how some-one committed suicide in >>>>> Mt
    Eden Remand prison...
    To be honest why doesn't he do the same for those who killed
    themselves
    under the unionised Department of Corrections..
    Or are there orders from the unions ?

    There should be an automatic enquiry whenever there is a death in
    prison,

    Why? It was his/her personal choice to commit suicide.

    You probably think it is personal choice to be poor, to be mentally
    ill, physically ill, addicted to alcohol or other substances, to be in
    a relationship that falls apart, to be lonely and not in any
    relationship, to be desperate, to be in places where you are beated or
    robbed. Yes in some cases poor personal choices may have been a
    factor, "Liberty" - but does that mean we should just walk on the
    other side of the road when we imprison someone and the system does
    not adequately assess whetehr they are a danger to themselves, or
    remove from them objects by which they may self-harm? After all,
    these are people who have had their Liberty taken away - is that not
    significant to you?

    How do you get beated?

    Repeat Labour good, National bad untill it becomes your main political
    policy Fred:)

    Pooh

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to gblack@hnpl.net on Wednesday, March 16, 2016 15:27:21
    On Wed, 16 Mar 2016 08:02:44 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

    On 3/15/2016 10:48 PM, Liberty wrote:

    The individual was given help. he was locked up. He could of been free to
    jump of a cliff.
    Would jumping of a cliff result in an enquire. no
    An enquire is to blame someone. When we all ready know it was personal choice.


    And killing yourself in prison must be extremely difficult..
    I should imagine they'd leave you with very few possibilities

    Perhaps we need a standard enquiry process so we don;t have to use our imagination, and we can hopefully prevent more suicides and prison
    injuries. Coroners have looked into these issues in the past, but it
    seems more work is needed.

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