Some of us have not yet received voting papers, but already the
analysis of why it all went so wrong for the government has already
started: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1603/S00077/flawed-referendum-process-on-changing-new-zealands-flag.htm
Summary - they put too much politics into their choice, and didn't
leave it to the people.
Well nothing new there. Next topic?
Some of us have not yet received voting papers, but already the
analysis of why it all went so wrong for the government has already
started: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1603/S00077/flawed-referendum-process-on-changing-new-zealands-flag.htm
Summary - they put too much politics into their choice, and didn't
leave it to the people.
Well nothing new there. Next topic?
Rich80105 wrote:
Some of us have not yet received voting papers, but already the
analysis of why it all went so wrong for the government has already
started:
Rich80105 wrote:
Some of us have not yet received voting papers, but already the
analysis of why it all went so wrong for the government has already
started:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1603/S00077/flawed-referendum-process-on-changing-new-zealands-flag.htm
Summary - they put too much politics into their choice, and didn't
leave it to the people.
Well nothing new there. Next topic?
Pray tell which major Party it was that deliberately politicised the
process
by abandoning its own policy for the sake of jabbing at Mr Key?
Here's senior reporter Anthony Hubbard (very much of the pro-change
school)
in the Dominion Post this morning:
"Labour has shown that when it comes to the flag it's an odious bunch of hypocritical cowards. Labour is the party of independent nationhood and necessarily supports a non-colonial flag, but it decided to use the referendum as a stick to beat Key with. Ratting on your own beliefs for political advantage is gutter politics and it doesn't work. People
despise
you for it ....."
Rich80105 wrote:
Some of us have not yet received voting papers, but already the
analysis of why it all went so wrong for the government has already
started:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1603/S00077/flawed-referendum-process-on-changing-new-zealands-flag.htm
Summary - they put too much politics into their choice, and didn't
leave it to the people.
Well nothing new there. Next topic?
Pray tell which major Party it was that deliberately politicised the process >by abandoning its own policy for the sake of jabbing at Mr Key?
Here's senior reporter Anthony Hubbard (very much of the pro-change school) >in the Dominion Post this morning:
"Labour has shown that when it comes to the flag it's an odious bunch of >hypocritical cowards. Labour is the party of independent nationhood and >necessarily supports a non-colonial flag, but it decided to use the >referendum as a stick to beat Key with. Ratting on your own beliefs for >political advantage is gutter politics and it doesn't work. People despise >you for it ....."
On Sat, 05 Mar 2016 09:36:22 +1300, Anymouse <someone@somewhere.com>
wrote:
Rich80105 wrote:
Some of us have not yet received voting papers, but already the
analysis of why it all went so wrong for the government has already
started:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1603/S00077/flawed-referendum-process-on-changing-new-zealands-flag.htm
Summary - they put too much politics into their choice, and didn't
leave it to the people.
Well nothing new there. Next topic?
Pray tell which major Party it was that deliberately politicised the >>process by abandoning its own policy for the sake of jabbing at Mr Key?
Here's senior reporter Anthony Hubbard (very much of the pro-change
school) in the Dominion Post this morning:
"Labour has shown that when it comes to the flag it's an odious bunch of >>hypocritical cowards. Labour is the party of independent nationhood and >>necessarily supports a non-colonial flag, but it decided to use the >>referendum as a stick to beat Key with. Ratting on your own beliefs for >>political advantage is gutter politics and it doesn't work. People
despise you for it ....."
I went looking for the article, but came across these: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/the-flag-debate/77381443/mike-yardley-flag-change-campaign-has-been-farcical
Notice the token criticism of Labour - without identifying any way in
which they actually made the choice political. In fact Labour didn't
object to a referendum per se, but did object to the gross waste of
taxpayer money caused by two postal ballots instead of a much cheaper
option of runnign a referendum in conjunction with a general election.
They also objected to the flawed process which is widely regtarded as
rigged, subject to political interference, and also poor value for
money, resulting in an unpopular choice in the second ballot. If
saving taxpayer money from being wasted is politicking, we should be applauding it!
Then the article goes on to list some of the egregious politicking by
Key and National, also covered here:
Then we have this https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/flag-debate-key-to-stay-out-of-during-voting-process
followed only a day later by this: http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/298017/new-flag-would-be-ready-for-rio-pm
Key just cannot control himself can he - just like Trump, anything he
says one day may be contradicted by what he says the next day . . .
some would be unkind enough to call it deliberate lying . . .
Still you may get some comfort from the rantings of Hubbard - not much
fact in that article, is there?
Some of us have not yet received voting papers, but already the
analysis of why it all went so wrong for the government has already
started: >http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1603/S00077/flawed-referendum-process-on-changing-new-zealands-flag.htm
Summary - they put too much politics into their choice, and didn't
leave it to the people.
Well nothing new there. Next topic?
Some of us have not yet received voting papers, but already theOf course they left it to the public - what do you think a binding referendum is?
analysis of why it all went so wrong for the government has already
started: >http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1603/S00077/flawed-referendum-process-on-changing-new-zealands-flag.htm
Summary - they put too much politics into their choice, and didn't
leave it to the people.
Well nothing new there. Next topic?
On Fri, 04 Mar 2016 23:06:44 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Some of us have not yet received voting papers, but already the
analysis of why it all went so wrong for the government has already >>started: >>http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1603/S00077/flawed-referendum-process-on-changing-new-zealands-flag.htm
Summary - they put too much politics into their choice, and didn't
leave it to the people.
Well nothing new there. Next topic?
Why bother with a 'next topic' Rich when neither you nor Scoop appear
to have a handle on the flag change debate.
The decision is based on the results of two binding referenda, meaning
that it is the will of those voting that will decide if we change our
flag. You just cannot fault the logic of this
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