https://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2017/jan/23/snow-sahara-desert-in-pictures

Last time this happened the usual idiots were moaning about Global cooling :)

Storm surge accounts for the extra high high tide mate. something the extreme

On 1/10/2018 10:15 AM, bowesjohn02@gmail.com wrote:

Storm surge accounts for the extra high high tide mate. something the extreme weather* nutters probably don't understand :)

I've seen waves breaking over the 12 foot seawall at Island Bay in the
early 60s.
It's a pretty common storm event

JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, 12 January 2018 09:55:34 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 19:17:44 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Thursday, 11 January 2018 15:42:49 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

I was told by a person I thought reliable who lives in Hamilton but
regularly works across all of the Waikato. I guess you were unabl;e to >> >> do a simple search . . .

LOL! as if what you claim you were told by some imaginary person is worth >> >an ounce of shit!

While the flooding was doubtless partly the result of a severe storm
over the Coromandel, the coastal flooding may also have been partially >> >> the result of falling ground levels due to tectonic plate movements.

ROTFLMAO! You post some dumb shit Dickbot but that really takes the cake! >> >

Risk assessment for the area has been in place for a long time with
regular updates - you may remember the report about the potential
impact of rising sea levels that the then government suppressed -
see:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/97485178/lowlying-waikato-towns-at-risk-from-sea-level-rise--report

FFS any sea level rise is in mm and these floods are orders of magnitude >> >higher than this.

The risks are complex, but I suspect much better understood than in
1938. The system of stopbanks and gates that are supposed to prevent
seawater intrusion will not prevent flooding from rainwater - the
gates are opened when weather conditions improve to allow water to run >> >> off through rivers) - the supression of a report identifying
additional risks was possible one way however that the previous
government was able to maintain its priority of Roads of National
Party significance - some with a return of 50c benefit for each dollar >> >> invested!

Stop waffling off topic about RoNS.

See also an earlier report:
https://www.waikatoregion.govt.nz/assets/PageFiles/4829/tr06-16.pdf

Yet as this report repeats, 1938 was worse. So talk of this being AGW
related is therefore bunkum.

So coastal flooding was identified as a high risk back in 2006; and
those risks were considered higher in 2016/2017 - do you think the
supression of that report by the then government contributed to lack
of action that may have at least mitigated some of the damage in 2018? >> >>
Has yesterdays report washed away that fence you have been sitting on, >> >> Tony?

You are so thick you can't comprehend what you have googled and you can't >> >argue consistently with yourself as you can't differentiate the

between rainwater and seawater flooding.

But dragging in tectonic plates... that was special. BTW the region in
question is on the Australian plate and the Pacific plate is pushing

Australian plate. If it's level is changing it will be going *up*.

Try reading the links, JohnO. If you cannot understand get someone to
explain it to you. All you are doing is confirming that you are a
fool.

You said tectonic plate movement could be contributing to the flooding. That >is laughable nonsense. You are the fool and everybody is laughing at you. Interesting.

According to Rich you are a fool, Pooh is a troll, I lie and behave in a troll-like way. George is also not in favour. Some others who post less often are nearly all criticised by him.
Should we feel ashamed of ourselves or is there a common denominator here

Rich has avoided to mention?
Tony

On 2018-01-08, bowesjohn02@gmail.com <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2017/jan/23/snow-sahara-desert-in-pictures

Last time this happened the usual idiots were moaning about Global cooling

Try to keep up Pooh. It is now Climate *change*, this owing to the warming not happening.

On 2018-01-09, bowesjohn02@gmail.com <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

Storm surge accounts for the extra high high tide mate. something the

Lets be clear about this. Tides, are changes in water level. They vary, as
in there are king and neap tides. Caused by gravity of the sun and moon.
This will happen regardless of the weather.

Now, if there is a high king tide, wind blowing on shore and some low atmospheric pressure, which tends to happen in storms, the water level "rises". It becomes higher than it was since the last storm. Big waves.

On 2018-01-10, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

On 1/10/2018 10:15 AM, bowesjohn02@gmail.com wrote:

Storm surge accounts for the extra high high tide mate. something the

I've seen waves breaking over the 12 foot seawall at Island Bay in the early 60s.
It's a pretty common storm event

To those with long memories. To those with short ones, the sea levls are rising!!

JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, 12 January 2018 09:55:34 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 19:17:44 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Thursday, 11 January 2018 15:42:49 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

I was told by a person I thought reliable who lives in Hamilton but
regularly works across all of the Waikato. I guess you were unabl;e to >> >> do a simple search . . .

LOL! as if what you claim you were told by some imaginary person is worth

an ounce of shit!

While the flooding was doubtless partly the result of a severe storm
over the Coromandel, the coastal flooding may also have been partially >> >> the result of falling ground levels due to tectonic plate movements.

ROTFLMAO! You post some dumb shit Dickbot but that really takes the cake! >> >

Risk assessment for the area has been in place for a long time with
regular updates - you may remember the report about the potential
impact of rising sea levels that the then government suppressed -
see:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/97485178/lowlying-waikato-towns-at-risk-from-sea-level-rise--report

FFS any sea level rise is in mm and these floods are orders of magnitude >> >higher than this.

The risks are complex, but I suspect much better understood than in
1938. The system of stopbanks and gates that are supposed to prevent
seawater intrusion will not prevent flooding from rainwater - the
gates are opened when weather conditions improve to allow water to run >> >> off through rivers) - the supression of a report identifying
additional risks was possible one way however that the previous
government was able to maintain its priority of Roads of National
Party significance - some with a return of 50c benefit for each dollar >> >> invested!

Stop waffling off topic about RoNS.

See also an earlier report:
https://www.waikatoregion.govt.nz/assets/PageFiles/4829/tr06-16.pdf

Yet as this report repeats, 1938 was worse. So talk of this being AGW
related is therefore bunkum.

So coastal flooding was identified as a high risk back in 2006; and
those risks were considered higher in 2016/2017 - do you think the
supression of that report by the then government contributed to lack
of action that may have at least mitigated some of the damage in 2018? >> >>
Has yesterdays report washed away that fence you have been sitting on, >> >> Tony?

You are so thick you can't comprehend what you have googled and you can't

argue consistently with yourself as you can't differentiate the

between rainwater and seawater flooding.

But dragging in tectonic plates... that was special. BTW the region in >> >question is on the Australian plate and the Pacific plate is pushing

Australian plate. If it's level is changing it will be going *up*.

Try reading the links, JohnO. If you cannot understand get someone to
explain it to you. All you are doing is confirming that you are a
fool.

You said tectonic plate movement could be contributing to the flooding. That

is laughable nonsense. You are the fool and everybody is laughing at you. Interesting.

According to Rich you are a fool, Pooh is a troll, I lie and behave in a troll-like way. George is also not in favour. Some others who post less often

are nearly all criticised by him.
Should we feel ashamed of ourselves or is there a common denominator here

Rich has avoided to mention?
Tony

On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 21:07:11 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 16:49:41 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 08:13:22 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote: >>>>

On 1/10/2018 10:15 AM, bowesjohn02@gmail.com wrote:

Storm surge accounts for the extra high high tide mate. something the >>>>>>extreme weather* nutters probably don't understand :)

I've seen waves breaking over the 12 foot seawall at Island Bay in the >>>>>early 60s.
It's a pretty common storm event

Apparently we now have sea-water flooding on the Hauraki Plains. We >>>>are already seeing the effects of climate change (and earthquake risk) >>>>in property values and insurance premiums. Salt is not good for >>>>farmland . . .

No, not "now", it happened in 1938.
Don't assume that I am expressing an opinion about climate change, just >>>correcting your interminable spin.
Tony >>https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/100439347/salty-sea-flood-kills-off-farmers-livelihood-in-kaiaua-area

I was told by a person I thought reliable who lives in Hamilton but >>regularly works across all of the Waikato. I guess you were unabl;e to
do a simple search . . .

While the flooding was doubtless partly the result of a severe storm
over the Coromandel, the coastal flooding may also have been partially >>the result of falling ground levels due to tectonic plate movements.

Risk assessment for the area has been in place for a long time with >>regular updates - you may remember the report about the potential
impact of rising sea levels that the then government suppressed -
see: >>https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/97485178/lowlying-waikato-towns-at-risk-from-sea-level-rise--report

The risks are complex, but I suspect much better understood than in
1938. The system of stopbanks and gates that are supposed to prevent >>seawater intrusion will not prevent flooding from rainwater - the
gates are opened when weather conditions improve to allow water to run >>off through rivers) - the supression of a report identifying
additional risks was possible one way however that the previous >>government was able to maintain its priority of Roads of National
Party significance - some with a return of 50c benefit for each dollar >>invested!
See also an earlier report: >>https://www.waikatoregion.govt.nz/assets/PageFiles/4829/tr06-16.pdf

So coastal flooding was identified as a high risk back in 2006; and
those risks were considered higher in 2016/2017 - do you think the >>supression of that report by the then government contributed to lack
of action that may have at least mitigated some of the damage in 2018?

Has yesterdays report washed away that fence you have been sitting on, >Your inability to follow simple logic must be a source of profound regret

you. You used the word "now" which in the context of this thread implies

it is a new phenomenon. In fact it happened nearly 80 years ago so therefore

not new and therefore does not evidence any change. Whether climate change >(using your belief) is true or not is not supported by this particular

Now do you follow?
I used a very simple search and got the 1938 reference, how did you manage

miss it?
Tony

You said "No, not "now", it happened in 1938." So I gave you a
reference from 10 January this year - indeed it is likely that there
is still some seawater on the land today. What part of "now"do you not understand, Tony?

To explain the change still further, I have given you references tot
he work that was done following the sea flooding in 1938 that you
refer to. A sytem of walls, gates and river banks was developed to
mitigate flooding from either rain or sea, and the regular reviews of
those systems over the years, culminating in a report of increased
risk written in 2016 - which our then government in its "wisdom"
decided to supress - a newspaper was however able to publish some of
that "draft"report shortly before the election - too late for any
additional work to avoid problems which unfortunately happened this
month - or if you prefer are happening for some farmers now. The
increased risks arose because of expected rising sea levels and
lowered ground levels due to tectonic plate action and earthquakes.
The technical experts thought something had changed since 1938, but
the government was too obsessed with reducing government income to
give tax cuts, or spedning money on putting water onto farmland (for
farmers like National party connected farmers in Canterbury) to worry
about farmers in the Hauraki Plains . . .

I credit you with more intelligence than the pooh-troll whoe lack of comprehension you appear to be trying to emulate. Dishnoesty is
however something you should try to avoid.

On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 19:17:44 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Thursday, 11 January 2018 15:42:49 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

I was told by a person I thought reliable who lives in Hamilton but
regularly works across all of the Waikato. I guess you were unabl;e to
do a simple search . . .

LOL! as if what you claim you were told by some imaginary person is worth an

While the flooding was doubtless partly the result of a severe storm
over the Coromandel, the coastal flooding may also have been partially
the result of falling ground levels due to tectonic plate movements.

ROTFLMAO! You post some dumb shit Dickbot but that really takes the cake!

Risk assessment for the area has been in place for a long time with
regular updates - you may remember the report about the potential
impact of rising sea levels that the then government suppressed -
see:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/97485178/lowlying-waikato-towns-at-risk-from-sea-level-rise--report

FFS any sea level rise is in mm and these floods are orders of magnitude

The risks are complex, but I suspect much better understood than in
1938. The system of stopbanks and gates that are supposed to prevent
seawater intrusion will not prevent flooding from rainwater - the
gates are opened when weather conditions improve to allow water to run
off through rivers) - the supression of a report identifying
additional risks was possible one way however that the previous
government was able to maintain its priority of Roads of National
Party significance - some with a return of 50c benefit for each dollar
invested!

Stop waffling off topic about RoNS.

See also an earlier report:
https://www.waikatoregion.govt.nz/assets/PageFiles/4829/tr06-16.pdf

Yet as this report repeats, 1938 was worse. So talk of this being AGW

So coastal flooding was identified as a high risk back in 2006; and
those risks were considered higher in 2016/2017 - do you think the
supression of that report by the then government contributed to lack
of action that may have at least mitigated some of the damage in 2018?

Has yesterdays report washed away that fence you have been sitting on,
Tony?

You are so thick you can't comprehend what you have googled and you can't

But dragging in tectonic plates... that was special. BTW the region in

Try reading the links, JohnO. If you cannot understand get someone to
explain it to you. All you are doing is confirming that you are a
fool.

On 1/12/2018 12:00 PM, Gordon wrote:

On 2018-01-08, bowesjohn02@gmail.com <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2017/jan/23/snow-sahara-desert-in-pictures

Last time this happened the usual idiots were moaning about Global cooling

Try to keep up Pooh. It is now Climate *change*, this owing to the warming not happening.

I believe the latest is 'climatic variation'

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On 2018-01-08, bowesjohn02@gmail.com <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2017/jan/23/snow-sahara-desert-in-pictures

Last time this happened the usual idiots were moaning about Global cooling :)

Try to keep up Pooh. It is now Climate *change*, this owing to the warming not happening.

On 2018-01-10, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

On 1/10/2018 10:15 AM, bowesjohn02@gmail.com wrote:

Storm surge accounts for the extra high high tide mate. something the

I've seen waves breaking over the 12 foot seawall at Island Bay in the early 60s.
It's a pretty common storm event

To those with long memories. To those with short ones, the sea levls are rising!!

Some more truth for you to ignore Gordon/Rich:

Seems the climate had nothing to do with it dumbo. It was weather! :)

Pooh

On Friday, January 12, 2018 at 2:21:57 PM UTC+13, george wrote:

On 1/12/2018 12:00 PM, Gordon wrote:

On 2018-01-08, bowesjohn02@gmail.com <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2017/jan/23/snow-sahara-desert-in-pictures

Last time this happened the usual idiots were moaning about Global cooling

Try to keep up Pooh. It is now Climate *change*, this owing to the warming >>> not happening.

I believe the latest is 'climatic variation'

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The idiot Shaw was waffling about extreme weather the other day :)

On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 17:16:08 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

On 1/12/2018 2:38 PM, bowesjohn02@gmail.com wrote:

On Friday, January 12, 2018 at 2:21:57 PM UTC+13, george wrote:

On 1/12/2018 12:00 PM, Gordon wrote:

On 2018-01-08, bowesjohn02@gmail.com <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2017/jan/23/snow-sahara-desert-in-pictures

One trick pony that lad

Yes. It's called Marxism.

Bill.

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On 1/12/2018 2:20 PM, bowesjohn02@gmail.com wrote:

Some more truth for you to ignore Gordon/Rich:

Seems the climate had nothing to do with it dumbo. It was weather! :)

Pooh

Still snowing in the US but not a word in the fake news..

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On 1/12/2018 2:38 PM, bowesjohn02@gmail.com wrote:

On Friday, January 12, 2018 at 2:21:57 PM UTC+13, george wrote:

On 1/12/2018 12:00 PM, Gordon wrote:

On 2018-01-08, bowesjohn02@gmail.com <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2017/jan/23/snow-sahara-desert-in-pictures

One trick pony that lad

On Friday, January 12, 2018 at 5:15:32 PM UTC+13, george wrote:

On 1/12/2018 2:20 PM, bowesjohn02@gmail.com wrote:

Some more truth for you to ignore Gordon/Rich: https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/100471363/storm-surges-wall-of-water-one-of-the-biggest-recorded-in-firth-of-thames

Seems the climate had nothing to do with it dumbo. It was weather! :)

Pooh

Still snowing in the US but not a word in the fake news..

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Been snowing in the Sahara as well. but nothing on the news :)