On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 13:51:25 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 17:44:42 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

The Troll attacked those who asked Lorde to cancel a concert: >>>>https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/22-12-2017/dear-lorde-heres-why-an-israel-boycott-is-the-wrong-answer/

We will not all agree with their arguments, but it is hardly the sort >>>>of inflammatory argument that deserves them to be deprived of >>>>protection from threatened violence.

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/27-12-2017/summer-reissue-washington-post-reveals-the-far-right-agenda-of-the-new-labour-led-government/

The term "far-right" undoubtedly has meaning, but is to the regret of >>>>the Republican Party in the USA, becoming used inappropriately - in a

recent thread Tony tried to divert discussion by its use.

You disgraceful liar, I did nothing of the sort - I simply pointed out that >>>your use of the phrase is inaccurate and misleading.

It is a
term that perhaps needs either more careful use, or we may need to
find other terms for extremist views.

So why do you persist in using it? Lead by example and stop blaming others >>>for
your disgraceful behaviour!

Why do you persist in lying? You introduced the term to this thread,
not me.

Yes you did - just read above - it is all there. Strewth!!!!

I apologise, you are correct - it was in the thread where you tried to
divert discussion by use of the term. I did not however refer to
far-right political parties which is the distraction you referred to -
I referred to the "lock them up and throw away the key" far
right" - no reference to any policial party. You are clearly aware of
the reality that we do have idiots that espouse lower standards of
justice for particular issues; geroge seemed to be espousing just such vigilanti action in repsect of the people that publicly requested
Lorde to cancel a concert. There is nothing there about policital
views of other countries, or New Zealand policital parties, and the
issue that I raised could bereasonably discussed within any group in
New Zealand - but you did not want to address the fundamental issue of
the justice problems arising from george's post - you reacted by
pretending it is a partisan issue and attempting to divert the
discussion.

For the record, your post of 29/12/2017 11:47 AM, under the Subject :
"They don't like it up them" read:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 08:06:30 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

Evidently the social justice warrior who co-wrote the 'Dont go to
Israel' to Lorde is getting a reaction.
And evidently its not the one she wants, those nasty people out there
have opinions that differ from hers.
So, its off to the police.
After all social justice warriors know whats good for us and any-one >>questioning them just has to be a bad guy or girl.
When the name of this valiant SJW comes to light no doubt she will
receive the attention she so richly deserves.
For years

This appears to be a deliberate troll post - clearly any threat of
violence should be reported to the police, regardless of who made it.
Is there one rule for the "lock them up and throw away the key" far
right, and another for those whose views you do not agree with,
george? Do you believe police services should only be provided to
those with your political views?

Obviously there is no single rightness here but you do really have to
stop talking about political views that are of another country. There
are no "far right" political parties in this country and almost no
"far right" people - so why do you perpetuate that particular lie?
Tony
______________________________

There is a place for discussing relative performance of policital
parties - but the post from george displayed an attitude that I think
would be generally condemned by most political parties. I believe it
worthy of discussion on the basis of what he said, but you for reasons
of your own did not address the subject of the thread, but chose
instead to attack my response on a false assumption and a
mis-representation reagarding both what I had said and my political
views. .

I did not "persist in using it"

But you do, and have for years -it is plainly wrong and you intend it to be >offensive.

- it was your attempt to
distract from an abhorrent post that appeared to condone and encourage >>punishment for opinions he did not agree with.

Nonsense, the only point I made was your improper use of the phrase, that and >absolutely nothing more.
I suggest you ask your GP for a referral to a geriatrician!

and a useful call for us to ignore ignorant opinions, and to ensure >>>>that we at least listen to experts : >>>>https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/the-fallacy-of-the-uniformed-celebrity-opinion
(In nz.general, such thoughts most often result in a call for evidence >>>>of an argument, regrettably ignored or arrogantly rejected by the most >>>>troll-like of our posters.) Perhaps the following is pertinent: >>>>https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/3/3/1494193/-Cartoon-What-Donald-Trump-finds-out-when-he-researches-the-KKK

Tony

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On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 18:47:10 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 13:51:25 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 17:44:42 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>dot nz> wrote:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

The Troll attacked those who asked Lorde to cancel a concert: >>>>>>https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/22-12-2017/dear-lorde-heres-why-an-israel-boycott-is-the-wrong-answer/

We will not all agree with their arguments, but it is hardly the sort >>>>>>of inflammatory argument that deserves them to be deprived of >>>>>>protection from threatened violence.

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/27-12-2017/summer-reissue-washington-post-reveals-the-far-right-agenda-of-the-new-labour-led-government/

The term "far-right" undoubtedly has meaning, but is to the regret of >>>>>>the Republican Party in the USA, becoming used inappropriately - in a >>>>>
recent thread Tony tried to divert discussion by its use.

You disgraceful liar, I did nothing of the sort - I simply pointed out that
your use of the phrase is inaccurate and misleading.

It is a
term that perhaps needs either more careful use, or we may need to >>>>>>find other terms for extremist views.

So why do you persist in using it? Lead by example and stop blaming others >>>>>for
your disgraceful behaviour!

Why do you persist in lying? You introduced the term to this thread, >>>>not me.

Yes you did - just read above - it is all there. Strewth!!!!

I apologise, you are correct - it was in the thread where you tried to >>divert discussion by use of the term. I did not however refer to
far-right political parties which is the distraction you referred to -
I referred to the "lock them up and throw away the key" far
right" - no reference to any policial party. You are clearly aware of
the reality that we do have idiots that espouse lower standards of
justice for particular issues; geroge seemed to be espousing just such >>vigilanti action in repsect of the people that publicly requested
Lorde to cancel a concert. There is nothing there about policital
views of other countries, or New Zealand policital parties, and the
issue that I raised could bereasonably discussed within any group in
New Zealand - but you did not want to address the fundamental issue of
the justice problems arising from george's post - you reacted by
pretending it is a partisan issue and attempting to divert the
discussion.

For the record, your post of 29/12/2017 11:47 AM, under the Subject :
"They don't like it up them" read:

Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 08:06:30 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

Evidently the social justice warrior who co-wrote the 'Dont go to >>>>Israel' to Lorde is getting a reaction.
And evidently its not the one she wants, those nasty people out there >>>>have opinions that differ from hers.
So, its off to the police.
After all social justice warriors know whats good for us and any-one >>>>questioning them just has to be a bad guy or girl.
When the name of this valiant SJW comes to light no doubt she will >>>>receive the attention she so richly deserves.
For years

This appears to be a deliberate troll post - clearly any threat of >>>violence should be reported to the police, regardless of who made it.
Is there one rule for the "lock them up and throw away the key" far >>>right, and another for those whose views you do not agree with,
george? Do you believe police services should only be provided to
those with your political views?

Obviously there is no single rightness here but you do really have to
stop talking about political views that are of another country. There
are no "far right" political parties in this country and almost no
"far right" people - so why do you perpetuate that particular lie?
Tony
______________________________

There is a place for discussing relative performance of policital
parties - but the post from george displayed an attitude that I think
would be generally condemned by most political parties. I believe it
worthy of discussion on the basis of what he said, but you for reasons
of your own did not address the subject of the thread, but chose
instead to attack my response on a false assumption and a >>mis-representation reagarding both what I had said and my political
views. .

I did not "persist in using it"

But you do, and have for years -it is plainly wrong and you intend it to be >>>offensive.

- it was your attempt to
distract from an abhorrent post that appeared to condone and encourage >>>>punishment for opinions he did not agree with.

Nonsense, the only point I made was your improper use of the phrase, that and
absolutely nothing more.
I suggest you ask your GP for a referral to a geriatrician!

and a useful call for us to ignore ignorant opinions, and to ensure >>>>>>that we at least listen to experts : >>>>>>https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/the-fallacy-of-the-uniformed-celebrity-opinion
(In nz.general, such thoughts most often result in a call for evidence >>>>>>of an argument, regrettably ignored or arrogantly rejected by the most >>>>>>troll-like of our posters.) Perhaps the following is pertinent: >>>>>>https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/3/3/1494193/-Cartoon-What-Donald-Trump-finds-out-when-he-researches-the-KKK

As usual you attribute motives to me that are simply wrong and are far more >likely to be the sort of motives that you display so often.
I did not address George's post and it is absolutely none of your business why >that is and it is absolutely not improper of me to address your often repeated >idiotic use of a meaningless phrase which you have used merely in an attempt to
insult.

Again you misrepresent what I said:
" I believe it worthy of discussion on the basis of what he said, but
you for reasons of your own did not address the subject of the thread,
but chose instead to attack my response on a false assumption and a mis-representation reagarding both what I had said and my political
views."

I do not know your reasons for not addressing the subject of the
thread, annd did not ask, but since you raise the subject again I
suggest that changing the topic by an unjustified and in effect lying
attack on another poster does neither you or the group any good
service.

If you don't like that then you will have to lump it. You often redirect posts >, I did not do so here - merely addressing your lie about me.

For a poster that prefers to attack a poster than address an issue
raised in a post you are remarkeably thin skinned - in this case you
have wrongly interpreted something I said as a lie, but instead of
thinking about other interpretations move to attack through lies and unjustified statements. nz.general could benefit from real discussion;
you have appeared to be capable of reasoned discussion in other posts;
it is sad that you should adopt such low standards in this and the
previous thread.

Just about everything you have wasted bandwidth on here is bullshit.

And in troll-like fashion you are not prepared to debate issues, just
cast slurs. Bitterness ill-suits good discussion Tony - I still
believe you are capable of doing better.

Tony

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