• The end of an election year

    From Crash@3:770/3 to All on Monday, December 25, 2017 17:14:38
    Time to review the election results in 2017 compared to 2014 in terms
    of MP numbers:

    National went from 60 in 2014 to 56 so -4
    Labour went from 32 to 46 so +14.
    The Greens went from 14 to 8 so -6.
    NZF went from 11 to 9 so -2.
    Maori went from 2 to 0 so -2.
    United NZ went from 1 to 0 so -1
    ACT went from 1 to 1 so no change.
    Total no of MPs went from 121 to 120 so -1

    After the 2014 election National formed a government with support from
    ACT, Maori and United with 64 of 121 seats. In the 2017 election that
    party block was down to 57 of 120.

    National retained the same number of electorate seats in 2017 (41) so
    their loss came from a reduced party vote only.

    Labour was the big mover - gaining 2 electorate seats and 12 list
    seats. The Greens and NZF are both list-only parties and both went
    backwards.

    So most of the gains Labour made were at the expense of the Maori,
    Green and NZF although they would gave also taken the 4% of the party
    vote that National lost.

    This helps explain why Winston Peters (and reportedly NZF) got to
    decide the government make-up in 2017 despite a reduced seat count.
    This was not due to a major shift in voter support (though there was
    one) but due to the mathematical results of small shifts in support.

    So far the new Government appears to be working well, but the
    stability required to keep it together requires that all three parties
    team up together. While Winston was a 'team player' with National up
    to the early 90s, he is not now so the potential for another bust-up
    on similar lines to the 96-99 National-NZF government will always be
    there.

    2018 shapes up as a momentous year.


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    Crash McBash

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  • From Gordon@3:770/3 to Crash on Monday, December 25, 2017 04:36:40
    On 2017-12-25, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:

    So far the new Government appears to be working well, but the
    stability required to keep it together requires that all three parties
    team up together. While Winston was a 'team player' with National up
    to the early 90s, he is not now so the potential for another bust-up
    on similar lines to the 96-99 National-NZF government will always be
    there.

    2018 shapes up as a momentous year.

    Brown Dog Earth Year, starting February 16, by the Chineese way of thinking.

    The earth will be strong, so all things to do with it are going to be a bit
    of a challange.

    Regards,
    Gordon.

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Monday, December 25, 2017 23:06:43
    On Mon, 25 Dec 2017 17:14:38 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    Time to review the election results in 2017 compared to 2014 in terms
    of MP numbers:

    National went from 60 in 2014 to 56 so -4
    Labour went from 32 to 46 so +14.
    The Greens went from 14 to 8 so -6.
    NZF went from 11 to 9 so -2.
    Maori went from 2 to 0 so -2.
    United NZ went from 1 to 0 so -1
    ACT went from 1 to 1 so no change.
    Total no of MPs went from 121 to 120 so -1

    After the 2014 election National formed a government with support from
    ACT, Maori and United with 64 of 121 seats. In the 2017 election that
    party block was down to 57 of 120.

    National retained the same number of electorate seats in 2017 (41) so
    their loss came from a reduced party vote only.

    Labour was the big mover - gaining 2 electorate seats and 12 list
    seats. The Greens and NZF are both list-only parties and both went >backwards.

    So most of the gains Labour made were at the expense of the Maori,
    Green and NZF although they would gave also taken the 4% of the party
    vote that National lost.

    That is certainly one possibility, and there may be some truth to it.
    The figures you have given however could be interpreted differently.

    For a start, Labour took votes from the Maori party, but National may
    have taken some from that party as well. It is likely that most of the reduction in ACT went to National. In Ohariu, both Labour and National
    took votes from United Future. Labour probably took quite a few votes
    from National as well, and very little of the Green vote that went to
    Labour was ever going to go to National - it was moving within the
    Labour/Green group; and it is possible that the issued raised by
    Materia Turei helped the Labour/Green group at the expense of
    National, but moving towards Labour instead of the Greens.

    There will undoubtedly be some analysis of movements by the pollsters
    / analysts, but they will be based on surveys and therefore only
    partially reliable.

    This helps explain why Winston Peters (and reportedly NZF) got to
    decide the government make-up in 2017 despite a reduced seat count.
    This was not due to a major shift in voter support (though there was
    one) but due to the mathematical results of small shifts in support.

    So far the new Government appears to be working well, but the
    stability required to keep it together requires that all three parties
    team up together. While Winston was a 'team player' with National up
    to the early 90s, he is not now so the potential for another bust-up
    on similar lines to the 96-99 National-NZF government will always be
    there.

    The prevous government was finding it increasingly difficult to get
    legislation through as the "support parties" (Maori, ACT, UF) realised
    that they were bleeding support as they had little to show for
    supporting National. The 4 way hydra "coalition" was visibly marginal.
    The new government is easier having only three parties, but all of
    them are being careful to give both support and recognition to the
    other parties - more recent polls are showing that the Greens are
    getting back some of the support lost in the Turei furore, at the
    expense of National and NZ First, but there is little doubt that at
    least for the rest of this term all three parties will get visible
    gains through legislation as well as fair coverage in government
    announcements.



    2018 shapes up as a momentous year.
    It sure does - we have yet to see the effect of quite a few major
    decisions by the new government. In a couple of cases some of the
    gloom and doom predictions of National will have a clear test - that
    may result in either elevation of Joyce within National, or his
    disappearance, and may also influence when National seeks a new
    leader.

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