• Re: The Iron Pillar of Mehrauli

    From Dr. Jai Maharaj@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 23:35:50
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    From: alt.fan.jai-maharaj@googlegroups.com

    In article
    <c9d719bd-bd68-4ac9-a69c-a11135399fe9@googlegroups.com>,
    Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> posted:

    That's AB you're talking to. Do you think mere facts are
    relevant?

    Facts about myself and the Iron Pillar of Mehrauli.

    In the 1960s there was much overt nationalism in India, as
    India had become free of direct British rule if not Western
    influence. While we were taught that Aryans invaded India,
    and that Alexander defeated Porus, there was nevertheless
    pride in the ancient glories of India, to be renewed
    shortly by our young ebullient selves. Sad now to think,
    how we were so misled, and how treacherous our Gandhi-
    Nehru-type politicians really were. Nothing worked out, as
    a result, as hoped for; as the thrust of the Indians in
    power, actually bootlickers of the West, was to put down
    all talented young Indians in every possible way, to
    continue the Western supremacy with the corrupt or mediocre
    local bailiffs.

    Still, the powers on high had to do something to show there
    was something worthwhile about the Indian past, and one
    such tangible example of past glory was the rust-defying
    Iron Pillar of Mehrauli (Delhi). In the past, the Indians
    had techniques to produce a kind of iron alloy that would
    defy rust and the subsequent corrosion for thousands of
    years. If the Egyptians could find glory in the pyramids,
    in India we have our Iron Pillar. Heh. When the Europeans
    were uncouth savages poking around with sticks, making
    clicking noises, we in India lived in such grand style (as
    described in the epics) that we got tired off, in due
    course, and desired simpler existences.

    Having heard so much of the Iron Pillar, both in the
    history books and also from my friends and relatives, I was
    eager to see it. My wish was granted in early 1966. It is
    part of the Qutb Minar complex. In due course the Qutb
    Minar will be declared a Hindu monument, but that is
    another story. No one now says that the Iron Pillar is
    anything but Hindu in origin, but who knows, they have
    sealed off the place and can say anything! Like, as I find
    among the degraded here, it is rusting and corroding! Hide
    the truth, and tell lies, is the anti-Hindu strategy,
    amusing.

    In January 1966 I was nearly 10, so I could just hug the
    pillar. My father tried to put his arms around the pillar
    with his back to it, as urged by the onlookers, but his
    hands did not touch. He would not rule India! He had a
    bigger chance than most, for he is tall and the pillar
    tapers slightly. Needless to add, the pillar had no rust on
    it, and was shiny in the areas where people tried to
    encircle it. As I have noted earlier, there was a dent in
    the pillar, as a result of it deflecting a cannonball fired
    at it by the British in their attempt to destroy it.

    In colour it was dark grey in 1966 and was that way when I
    last encircled it, around 1986. It wasn't too far from IIT
    Delhi where I was studying for my M.Tech degree, so at
    times I visited that place for it revived old memories. In
    1972 I made my second visit to the Iron Pillar, and then -
    wonder of wonders - I could encircle the Iron Pillar with
    my arms! My hands touched on the other side! I would rule
    India - what a brilliant thought! My destiny was clear.

    Alas, such ebullience could not last for ever. In 1982 I
    tried a repeat performance, and failed by a few
    millimetres. Politics was not for me, then. My newly-
    married wife was relieved. "Why bother about politics, they
    will just kill you. Better do what you are trained for, be
    a good engineer." And so, I, my mistress' thrall, became
    just that: "Love's fire heats water; water cools not love".

    I've never seen color photos of it before. Sure seems to
    have a rust-colored cast to it. (Or maybe the photos were
    taken near sunset.)

    Or maybe they have put a red coating on it now, to make it
    look like rust. Who knows. The whole modern system is
    corrupt to the core. To get foreign funds and backing, they
    will do anything to please the Eurocentrics.

    Cheers,
    Arindam Banerjee

    My post from 2002 (it includes a post by one "singh",
    and my post from 1993) follows:

    [ Subject: Re: MYSTERY OF IRON PILLAR SOLVED
    [ From: use...@mantra.com (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
    [ Date: 19 Jul 2002 15:02:55 GMT
    [
    [ In article <10269947...@nntp.acecape.com>,
    [ "singh" <poo...@acedsl.com> posted:

    Mystery of Delhi's Iron Pillar unraveled

    Press Trust of India

    New Delhi, July 18: Experts at the Indian Instituteof
    Technology have resolved the mystery behind the 1,600-year-
    old iron pillar in Delhi, which has never corroded despite
    the capital's harsh weather.

    Metallurgists at Kanpur IIT have discovered that a thin
    layer of "misawite", a compound of iron, oxygen and
    hydrogen, has protected the cast iron pillar from rust.

    The protective film took form within three years after
    erection of the pillar and has been growing ever so slowly
    since then. After 1,600 years, the film has grown just one-
    twentieth of a millimeter thick, according to R.
    Balasubramaniam of the IIT.

    In a report published in the journal Current Science
    Balasubramanian says, the protective film was formed
    catalytically by the presence of high amounts of
    phosphorous in the iron-as much as one per cent against
    less than 0.05 per cent in today's iron.

    The high phosphorous content is a result of the unique
    iron-making process practiced by ancient Indians, who
    reduced iron ore into steel in one step by mixing it with
    charcoal.

    Modern blast furnaces, on the other hand, use limestone in
    place of charcoal yielding molten slag and pig iron that is
    later converted into steel. In the modern process most
    phosphorous is carried away by the slag.

    The pillar-over seven metres high and weighing more than
    six tonnes-was erected by Kumara Gupta of Gupta dynasty
    that ruled northern India in AD 320-540.

    Stating that the pillar is "a living testimony to the skill
    of metallurgists of ancient India", Balasubramaniam said
    the "kinetic scheme" that his group developed for
    predicting growth of the protective film may be useful for
    modeling long-term corrosion behaviour of containers for
    nuclear storage applications.
    [
    [ I posted the following in 1993:
    [
    [ Subject: Origins of Metallurgy in India
    [ From: Jai Maharaj
    [ Newsgroups: sci.materials
    [ Date: 26 May 1993
    [
    [ Abstract of Source
    [
    [ NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC MAGAZINE
    [ Volume 167, Number 4, April 1985
    [ page 527
    [ India's heritage of solving problems is often
    [ overshadowed by centuries of colonialism and conquest.
    [ Outside Delhi I visited one of the oldest monuments to
    [ that history . . . pillar of iron alloy, smelted by
    [ Indian metallurgists with such skill that it has remained
    [ rustless for 1,500 years. (Photograph on page 533.)
    [ These superb technicians were brethren of
    [ Indian thinkers who originated the concepts of zero and
    [ infinity and devised the inaccurately named Arabic
    [ numeral system, giving the science of mathematics to a
    [ world drenched in superstitious ignorance.
    [ - Bryan Hodgson
    [
    [ Jai Maharaj
    [ Om Shanti

    Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
    Om Shanti
    http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.jai-maharaj

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  • From Dr. Jai Maharaj@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 08:11:13
    XPost: soc.culture.indian, alt.fan.jai-maharaj, alt.religion.hindu
    XPost: uk.religion.hindu, free.bharat, soc.culture.india
    From: alt.fan.jai-maharaj@googlegroups.com

    In article
    <185a1821-2224-42c3-a205-85b16a54d410@googlegroups.com>,
    fanabba <fan...@aol.com> posted:

    On Tuesday, October 16, 2018, Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:

    In article
    <c9d719bd-bd68-4ac9-a69c-a11135399fe9@googlegroups.com>,
    Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> posted:

    That's AB you're talking to. Do you think mere facts are
    relevant?

    Facts about myself and the Iron Pillar of Mehrauli.

    In the 1960s there was much overt nationalism in India, as
    India had become free of direct British rule if not Western
    influence. While we were taught that Aryans invaded India,
    and that Alexander defeated Porus, there was nevertheless
    pride in the ancient glories of India, to be renewed
    shortly by our young ebullient selves. Sad now to think,
    how we were so misled, and how treacherous our Gandhi-
    Nehru-type politicians really were. Nothing worked out, as
    a result, as hoped for; as the thrust of the Indians in
    power, actually bootlickers of the West, was to put down
    all talented young Indians in every possible way, to
    continue the Western supremacy with the corrupt or mediocre
    local bailiffs.

    Still, the powers on high had to do something to show there
    was something worthwhile about the Indian past, and one
    such tangible example of past glory was the rust-defying
    Iron Pillar of Mehrauli (Delhi). In the past, the Indians
    had techniques to produce a kind of iron alloy that would
    defy rust and the subsequent corrosion for thousands of
    years. If the Egyptians could find glory in the pyramids,
    in India we have our Iron Pillar. Heh. When the Europeans
    were uncouth savages poking around with sticks, making
    clicking noises, we in India lived in such grand style (as
    described in the epics) that we got tired off, in due
    course, and desired simpler existences.

    Having heard so much of the Iron Pillar, both in the
    history books and also from my friends and relatives, I was
    eager to see it. My wish was granted in early 1966. It is
    part of the Qutb Minar complex. In due course the Qutb
    Minar will be declared a Hindu monument, but that is
    another story. No one now says that the Iron Pillar is
    anything but Hindu in origin, but who knows, they have
    sealed off the place and can say anything! Like, as I find
    among the degraded here, it is rusting and corroding! Hide
    the truth, and tell lies, is the anti-Hindu strategy,
    amusing.

    In January 1966 I was nearly 10, so I could just hug the
    pillar. My father tried to put his arms around the pillar
    with his back to it, as urged by the onlookers, but his
    hands did not touch. He would not rule India! He had a
    bigger chance than most, for he is tall and the pillar
    tapers slightly. Needless to add, the pillar had no rust on
    it, and was shiny in the areas where people tried to
    encircle it. As I have noted earlier, there was a dent in
    the pillar, as a result of it deflecting a cannonball fired
    at it by the British in their attempt to destroy it.

    In colour it was dark grey in 1966 and was that way when I
    last encircled it, around 1986. It wasn't too far from IIT
    Delhi where I was studying for my M.Tech degree, so at
    times I visited that place for it revived old memories. In
    1972 I made my second visit to the Iron Pillar, and then -
    wonder of wonders - I could encircle the Iron Pillar with
    my arms! My hands touched on the other side! I would rule
    India - what a brilliant thought! My destiny was clear.

    Alas, such ebullience could not last for ever. In 1982 I
    tried a repeat performance, and failed by a few
    millimetres. Politics was not for me, then. My newly-
    married wife was relieved. "Why bother about politics, they
    will just kill you. Better do what you are trained for, be
    a good engineer." And so, I, my mistress' thrall, became
    just that: "Love's fire heats water; water cools not love".

    I've never seen color photos of it before. Sure seems to
    have a rust-colored cast to it. (Or maybe the photos were
    taken near sunset.)

    Or maybe they have put a red coating on it now, to make it
    look like rust. Who knows. The whole modern system is
    corrupt to the core. To get foreign funds and backing, they
    will do anything to please the Eurocentrics.

    Cheers,
    Arindam Banerjee

    My post from 2002 (it includes a post by one "singh",
    and my post from 1993) follows:

    [ Subject: Re: MYSTERY OF IRON PILLAR SOLVED
    [ From: use...@mantra.com (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
    [ Date: 19 Jul 2002 15:02:55 GMT
    [
    [ In article <10269947...@nntp.acecape.com>,
    [ "singh" <poo...@acedsl.com> posted:

    Mystery of Delhi's Iron Pillar unraveled

    Press Trust of India

    New Delhi, July 18: Experts at the Indian Instituteof
    Technology have resolved the mystery behind the 1,600-year-
    old iron pillar in Delhi, which has never corroded despite
    the capital's harsh weather.

    Metallurgists at Kanpur IIT have discovered that a thin
    layer of "misawite", a compound of iron, oxygen and
    hydrogen, has protected the cast iron pillar from rust.

    The protective film took form within three years after
    erection of the pillar and has been growing ever so slowly
    since then. After 1,600 years, the film has grown just one-
    twentieth of a millimeter thick, according to R.
    Balasubramaniam of the IIT.

    In a report published in the journal Current Science
    Balasubramanian says, the protective film was formed
    catalytically by the presence of high amounts of
    phosphorous in the iron-as much as one per cent against
    less than 0.05 per cent in today's iron.

    The high phosphorous content is a result of the unique
    iron-making process practiced by ancient Indians, who
    reduced iron ore into steel in one step by mixing it with
    charcoal.

    Modern blast furnaces, on the other hand, use limestone in
    place of charcoal yielding molten slag and pig iron that is
    later converted into steel. In the modern process most
    phosphorous is carried away by the slag.

    The pillar-over seven metres high and weighing more than
    six tonnes-was erected by Kumara Gupta of Gupta dynasty
    that ruled northern India in AD 320-540.

    Stating that the pillar is "a living testimony to the skill
    of metallurgists of ancient India", Balasubramaniam said
    the "kinetic scheme" that his group developed for
    predicting growth of the protective film may be useful for
    modeling long-term corrosion behaviour of containers for
    nuclear storage applications.
    [
    [ I posted the following in 1993:
    [
    [ Subject: Origins of Metallurgy in India
    [ From: Jai Maharaj
    [ Newsgroups: sci.materials Date: 26 May 1993
    [
    [ Abstract of Source
    [
    [ NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC MAGAZINE
    [ Volume 167, Number 4, April 1985
    [ page 527
    [ India's heritage of solving problems is often
    [ overshadowed by centuries of colonialism and conquest.
    [ Outside Delhi I visited one of the oldest monuments to
    [ that history . . . pillar of iron alloy, smelted by
    [ Indian metallurgists with such skill that it has remained
    [ rustless for 1,500 years. (Photograph on page 533.)
    [ These superb technicians were brethren of
    [ Indian thinkers who originated the concepts of zero and
    [ infinity and devised the inaccurately named Arabic
    [ numeral system, giving the science of mathematics to a
    [ world drenched in superstitious ignorance.
    [ - Bryan Hodgson
    [
    [ Jai Maharaj
    [ Om Shanti

    A History of Metallurgy in India Paperback --
    January 20, 2018
    by Gurprit Singh (Author)

    https://www.amazon.com/History-Metallurgy-India-Gurprit-Singh/dp/1976942683/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1539735426&sr=1-1&keywords=history+of+metallurgy+in+india&dpID=51q83dBfLXL&preST=_SY291_BO1,204,203,200_QL40_&dpSrc=srch

    Delhi wonders -- The Iron Pillar -- YouTube

    The Iron Pillar's total height of the pillar is exactly 23
    feet 8 inches, of which, before the present chabutra of
    platform was constructed, about 22 ½ feet was above and
    about fourteen inches below ground. The base is an
    irregular knob in shape, resting on several little pieces
    like bits of bar-iron, let into the stone underneath, and
    secured with lead." Video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-hilFKE_4k

    Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi Om Shanti https://tinyurl.com/jaimaharaj

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