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From: dalton@nfld.com

On Mar 14, 2025, David Dalton wrote
(in article<0001HW.2D84005F00B389C17000083FD38F@news.eternal-september.org>):

Now from my fuzzy memory of scripture, Jacob had to
work for seven years before he could marry Leah and
another seven before he could marry Rachel. So
for a long while I was assuming that he had a period
of 14 low/working/wilderness years, similar to Rama.

However more recently I have divined that Jacob
had 18 low/working years, the most of any human

before me. I have gone 29 years, the common 7 plus
two 11 year sunspot cycles. Jesus and David went 3 years.
Daniel went 7 years. Moses and Mohammed went 14 years.

(and the same as 9 cetaceans) in the last 10,000 years.

So is there any evidence in scripture or in history
of the extra four years, or total of 18 years,
rather than 14 years?

Also Jacob is said to have issued blessings to the tribes
on his deathbed. Is there any evidence that instead
it was at the end of the 18 (or 14) years?

Also was his nighttime “wrestling” with his God a one-time
occasion or did it take place over years?

And I seem to remember that Jacob was, like Odin and
Lugh, raven-associated. Is that true.

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From: dalton@nfld.com

On Mar 14, 2025, David Dalton wrote
(in article<0001HW.2D84005F00B389C17000083FD38F@news.eternal-september.org>):

Now from my fuzzy memory of scripture, Jacob had to
work for seven years before he could marry Leah and
another seven before he could marry Rachel. So
for a long while I was assuming that he had a period
of 14 low/working/wilderness years, similar to Rama.

However more recently I have divined that Jacob
had 18 low/working years, the most of any human
(and the same as 9 cetaceans) in the last 10,000 years.

So is there any evidence in scripture or in history
of the extra four years, or total of 18 years,
rather than 14 years?

March 23 is National Jacob Day.

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David Dalton dalton@nfld.com https://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page) https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page) “And the cart is on a wheel; And the wheel is on a hill;
And the hill is shifting sand; And inside these laws we stand" (Ferron)

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From: usenet@christrose.news

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Sun, 23 Mar 2025 04:48:25 -0230 <0001HW.2D8FED4100277243700007F4138F@news.eternal-september.org>
David Dalton <dalton@nfld.com> wrote:
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On Mar 14, 2025, David Dalton wrote
(in article<0001HW.2D84005F00B389C17000083FD38F@news.eternal-september.org>):

Now from my fuzzy memory of scripture, Jacob had to
work for seven years before he could marry Leah and
another seven before he could marry Rachel. So
for a long while I was assuming that he had a period
of 14 low/working/wilderness years, similar to Rama.

However more recently I have divined

What do you mean by "divined"?

that Jacob
had 18 low/working years, the most of any human
(and the same as 9 cetaceans) in the last 10,000 years.

So is there any evidence in scripture or in history
of the extra four years, or total of 18 years,
rather than 14 years?

March 23 is National Jacob Day.

Yeah, I'm not seeing that in the Bible or history.


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