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From: byker@do~rag.net

"A Moose in Love" wrote in message news:6e133dcb-f351-4d0f-adab-c6dbfca02bbe@googlegroups.com...

https://spectator.org/after-a-century-of-chaos-totalitarianism-and-war-versailles-treaty-still-haunts-the-world/

A most shameful treaty shoved down the throat of the Germans at bayonet point. Was it really a treaty, or a provocation for a continued war?

Time to draw out the haters and bigots. In other words, the filth.

WWI didn't HAVE to end that way: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9lWdkCxXYg

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From: SolomonW@citi.com

On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 12:42:22 -0500, Byker wrote:

"A Moose in Love" wrote in message news:6e133dcb-f351-4d0f-adab-c6dbfca02bbe@googlegroups.com...

https://spectator.org/after-a-century-of-chaos-totalitarianism-and-war-versailles-treaty-still-haunts-the-world/

A most shameful treaty shoved down the throat of the Germans at bayonet
point. Was it really a treaty, or a provocation for a continued war?

Time to draw out the haters and bigots. In other words, the filth.

WWI didn't HAVE to end that way: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9lWdkCxXYg

I agree with the video.

In answer to your question, it depends on how you look at it, compared to
the treaty that German put on Russia at Brest-Litovsk it was very mild.



Much of the treaty was later ignored. Now could the framers of the treaty
be blamed for the failure of the allies to uphold the treaty at the
Rhineland?



The problem I think with the treaty was that it was too harsh in theory
and too weak in reality. It would have been better if the agreement had
been stricter in theory and fact or weaker in theory and fact.

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From: rrostrom@comcast.net

In article
<3MOdnVUT0PSdOMzAnZ2dnUU7-X3NnZ2d@supernews.com>,
"Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:

"A Moose in Love" wrote in message

A most shameful treaty shoved down the throat of the Germans at bayonet point.

It's called "losing a war". Start a war (which Germany did), lose the war,
and the winners will decide the terms.

Was it really a treaty, or a provocation for a continued war?

Hardly anybody in Germany wanted to fight another war. Some Germans were offended that Germany was deprived of military power, but it made no
practical difference to the average German.

Hitler rebuilt German military power, which was gratifying, and then
decided to use it. Which was not necessary. Even top commanders like
von Brauchitsch and Halder were sure it would end badly.
--
Nous sommes dans une pot de chambre, et nous y serons emmerdés.
--- General Auguste-Alexandre Ducrot at Sedan, 1870.

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