• Re: How can they survive

    From Flasherly@1:229/2 to NoName on Tuesday, December 15, 2020 23:15:47
    From: Flasherly@live.com

    On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 20:55:03 -0600, NoName <NoEmail@ever.com> wrote:

    After 10 years I finally replaced 2 - 10 ' guitar cables with new $8
    braided ones from MusicianFriend.

    Free shipping and they arrived in 2 days ...$16 .


    Have you ever had to replace a input jack on a guitar because they
    loosen up ? My 70s tele was so sloppy the male jack connection was >intermittent ..so I put a new one in. You can still get those at radio >shack..

    The female jack and the male plug. I corrected the plug issue with a
    pair from the $15 Unobtanium Store, located most anywhere and nowhere
    on Ebay...

    SWITCHCRAFT 440 M642/4-1 MILITARY MIL-SPEC BRASS 1/4" 6.35mm PLUG

    Used in WWII Signal Corps' radio fieldsmen and early switch-board
    patching, when the operator completed a telephony connections for a
    likes of Al Capone, along with a bit of contact cleaner and 000 steel
    wool to solve any cable issues for at least half the equation: What
    initially goes in isn't so prettily jammed on or by twisting it around
    for intermediary signal loss and consequent future jack issues. A
    smooth, positive, easy insert, with no more than a freshly cleaned
    all-copper Switchcraft plug's trace residual of contact-clearer
    remaining on its stem by measure for the jack. They're very heavy
    plugs, though. I suspect in a pinch they might have been substituted
    for makeshift ordnance in a 50cal. machine-gun's tank turret.

    Decently insulated conduction cable apparently is not the issue,
    however, with one hand to combine with the above two for results which
    are obliviously devastating;- Failing all else, while on the other
    hand, to introduce Larry's solution for post/mid-Cougar centre stage:

    Larry Crane (born October 8, 1956) is an American rock musician and
    songwriter from Seymour, Indiana.. From 1976 until 1991, he appeared
    alongside John Mellencamp as guitarist and contributor to the
    arrangements and production of the Mellencamp sound (often labeled as "heartland rock.")

    I watched (from a filmed piece) where he had replaced all such
    nonsense with what looked to be 50-ohm coax, from custom guitar-fitted
    female coax plug, however adapted to his pedal arrangement.
    (Presumably for a passively voiced guitar without discretely powered
    pick-ups.)

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  • From NoName@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, December 15, 2020 20:55:03
    From: NoEmail@ever.com

    After 10 years I finally replaced 2 - 10 ' guitar cables with new $8
    braided ones from MusicianFriend.

    Free shipping and they arrived in 2 days ...$16 .


    Have you ever had to replace a input jack on a guitar because they
    loosen up ? My 70s tele was so sloppy the male jack connection was
    intermittent ..so I put a new one in. You can still get those at radio
    shack..


    .



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  • From NoName@1:229/2 to Neil on Wednesday, December 16, 2020 14:02:26
    From: None@None.org

    On 12/16/20 5:36 AM, Neil wrote:
    On 12/15/2020 9:55 PM, NoName wrote:

    Have you ever had to replace  a input jack on a guitar because they
    loosen up ? My 70s tele was so sloppy the male jack connection was
    intermittent ..so I put a new one in.  You can still get those at
    radio shack..

    Alternatively, you could have simply used a pair of needle-nose pliers
    to bend the tip contact strip back into position.



    I tried that .. The slop remained

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  • From Neil@1:229/2 to NoName on Wednesday, December 16, 2020 06:36:49
    From: neil@myplaceofwork.com

    On 12/15/2020 9:55 PM, NoName wrote:

    Have you ever had to replace  a input jack on a guitar because they
    loosen up ? My 70s tele was so sloppy the male jack connection was intermittent ..so I put a new one in.  You can still get those at radio shack..

    Alternatively, you could have simply used a pair of needle-nose pliers
    to bend the tip contact strip back into position.

    --
    best regards,

    Neil

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  • From Lord Valve@1:229/2 to Flasherly on Wednesday, December 16, 2020 15:58:34
    From: ghost.crapper@gmail.com

    On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 9:15:55 PM UTC-7, Flasherly wrote:
    On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 20:55:03 -0600, NoName <NoE...@ever.com> wrote:

    After 10 years I finally replaced 2 - 10 ' guitar cables with new $8 >braided ones from MusicianFriend.

    Free shipping and they arrived in 2 days ...$16 .


    Have you ever had to replace a input jack on a guitar because they
    loosen up ? My 70s tele was so sloppy the male jack connection was >intermittent ..so I put a new one in. You can still get those at radio >shack..
    The female jack and the male plug. I corrected the plug issue with a
    pair from the $15 Unobtanium Store, located most anywhere and nowhere
    on Ebay...

    SWITCHCRAFT 440 M642/4-1 MILITARY MIL-SPEC BRASS 1/4" 6.35mm PLUG

    Used in WWII Signal Corps' radio fieldsmen and early switch-board
    patching, when the operator completed a telephony connections for a
    likes of Al Capone, along with a bit of contact cleaner and 000 steel
    wool to solve any cable issues for at least half the equation: What
    initially goes in isn't so prettily jammed on or by twisting it around
    for intermediary signal loss and consequent future jack issues. A
    smooth, positive, easy insert, with no more than a freshly cleaned
    all-copper Switchcraft plug's trace residual of contact-clearer
    remaining on its stem by measure for the jack. They're very heavy
    plugs, though. I suspect in a pinch they might have been substituted
    for makeshift ordnance in a 50cal. machine-gun's tank turret.

    Y'know - I'm not really sure why I bother with horse-shit like this,
    but...

    1) 440-series mil-spec plugs (from any source, not just Switchcraft) are NOT designed to mate with the 11-series (or shitty Chinese equivalent) jacks commonly used in guitars. Those are telecom plugs, designed for PBX
    (telephone switchboard) units. They have a ball tip which doesn't mate properly with a guitar jack, which is designed for the 280 (and similar) series plugs which
    use diamond-shaped tips. If you eyeball the tip connection on a telecom plug which is plugged into a jack made for audio, you will see that the contact
    area is minimal, with plenty of slop due to the mechanical mismatch. Telecom plugs are designed to mate with telecom JACKS, which are of open-framed construction, allowing the addition of the multiple switching circuits which are
    often required in switchboards. Like this one, for instance:

    https://www.switchcraft.com/productsummary.aspx?Parent=81

    2) Telecom plugs of this nature are made from unplated brass. Brass corrodes. Again, not good for high-impedance audio use.

    3) Since those plugs are designed for use with telephone circuits, they don't need
    to be shielded because the impedance is so low. (If you have a landline, pull one of the jacks off the wall and check the incoming wires. See any shielding? 100+ years later, telephone lines still don't require shielding.) This is why the handles on telecom plugs are made from fucking PLASTIC, which is an insulator, but not a shield. NOT GOOD FOR FUCKING AUDIO, *ESPECIALLY* HIGH- IMPEDANCE AUDIO, LIKE A GUITAR AMPLIFIER.

    I am continually amazed by the torrents of ignorance I find displayed on NGs like this one, most of it presented from a supposedly "expert" perspective. Anyone
    who is looking to learn ANYTHING about audio electronics would do a lot better elsewhere, because the people who hang here can't tell shit from apple butter.

    Lord Valve, Expert
    (fuck you)

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  • From Lord Valve@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, December 16, 2020 16:01:45
    From: ghost.crapper@gmail.com

    My 70s tele was so sloppy the male jack connection was
    intermittent ..so I put a new one in. You can still get those at radio shack..

    Indeed, all of the top pro techs buy their parts at Radio Shack.

    <smirk>

    Lord Valve, Expert
    (fuck you)

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  • From NoName@1:229/2 to Lord Valve on Thursday, December 17, 2020 08:41:30
    From: BiteMe@Bitch.org

    On 12/16/20 6:01 PM, Lord Valve wrote:


    Lord Valve, Expert
    (fuck me in the ass)




    if you know of any "pro techs" . ask them

    How many Ted Weber solder-by-number kits have you pawned off so far as original designs ?

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  • From Lord Valve@1:229/2 to NoName on Thursday, December 17, 2020 15:25:50
    From: ghost.crapper@gmail.com

    On Thursday, December 17, 2020 at 7:41:33 AM UTC-7, NoName wrote:
    On 12/16/20 6:01 PM, Lord Valve wrote:


    Lord Valve, Expert
    (fuck me in the ass)




    if you know of any "pro techs" . ask them

    How many Ted Weber solder-by-number kits have you pawned off so far as original designs ?

    You're an ankle-biter. <shrug> A know-nothing and a liar. You've had your ass handed to you so many times on technical subjects it's not even laughable any more...just tedious. The smoke coming from your thoroughly beaten little ass on your failure to provide a circuit you claimed to have found in less than five minutes with a Google search largely obscures any other claims you make... there is, of course, no such circuit, and anyone with even entry-level electronics
    training (which you obviously lack) knows this. There are people who post to these NGs who have been electronics professionals longer than you have been breathing (me, for instance) - you're not fooling anybody, son. Hit the books until
    you know at least part of your shit, or shut up. Remember the first rule of holes:
    When you find yourself in one, STOP DIGGING!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34CZjsEI1yU

    Lord Valve
    Expert (fuck you with a post-hole digger)

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  • From Flasherly@1:229/2 to ghost.crapper@gmail.com on Thursday, December 17, 2020 04:19:50
    From: Flasherly@live.com

    On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 15:58:34 -0800 (PST), Lord Valve
    <ghost.crapper@gmail.com> wrote:


    Y'know - I'm not really sure why I bother with horse-shit like this,
    but...

    1) 440-series mil-spec plugs (from any source, not just Switchcraft) are NOT >designed to mate with the 11-series (or shitty Chinese equivalent) jacks >commonly used in guitars. Those are telecom plugs, designed for PBX >(telephone switchboard) units. They have a ball tip which doesn't mate properly
    with a guitar jack, which is designed for the 280 (and similar) series plugs which
    use diamond-shaped tips. If you eyeball the tip connection on a telecom plug >which is plugged into a jack made for audio, you will see that the contact >area is minimal, with plenty of slop due to the mechanical mismatch. Telecom >plugs are designed to mate with telecom JACKS, which are of open-framed >construction, allowing the addition of the multiple switching circuits which are
    often required in switchboards. Like this one, for instance:

    https://www.switchcraft.com/productsummary.aspx?Parent=81

    I'd already found, downloaded the original Switchcraft blueprints. The Switchcraft can be considered as much an unintentional mismatch, close
    but not precise. I'm not seeing, rather feeling, slop. Nope, none of
    that. There's nonetheless pressure from the jack tip-mating to the
    plug-pole's tip;- all else being pole barrel size which should also
    be negligible if not expectedly a coincident viable electrical if not
    wholly intolerable match. Leaving the point of the plug at odds from
    a instrumental jack design superceding the circular tip of my 440
    series.

    2) Telecom plugs of this nature are made from unplated brass. Brass corrodes. >Again, not good for high-impedance audio use.

    Yes, brass does corrode, like brass Roman coins dug out by farmers in
    the Levant, still hammered it out in shops at the Covered Bazaar in
    Istanbul. Some people like rubbing brass for a pot of genie -- me, I
    like to clean mine with 000 steel wool: Just like brassware, mine turn
    dark and nasty looking but will polish up nicely with minimum effort.
    How much surface milling mismatch between the newer elliptical
    designs, how much (faster) oxidation crud to brass, yes, there's that
    too. But step back after a cleaning, however, and whoa to behold, all
    gone -- nothing but a nice signal path regardless.

    Dirty brass still isn't nickel-plating and happens a lot faster.
    Basically it's a trade-off for thinking out loud when built for
    communication inside a tank's headphone-routed wiring: built
    Switchcraft tough for opening bottles of beer or a can of spam. Just
    keep it reasonably clean.

    3) Since those plugs are designed for use with telephone circuits, they don't need
    to be shielded because the impedance is so low. (If you have a landline, pull >one of the jacks off the wall and check the incoming wires. See any shielding? >100+ years later, telephone lines still don't require shielding.) This is why >the handles on telecom plugs are made from fucking PLASTIC, which is an >insulator, but not a shield. NOT GOOD FOR FUCKING AUDIO, *ESPECIALLY* HIGH- >IMPEDANCE AUDIO, LIKE A GUITAR AMPLIFIER.

    That's the point of these particular models. I didn't want the
    Phenolic insulators, which is the material name Switchcraft is using
    for plastic. My first encounter with a Switchcraft was a soldered
    shield mating. Love at first sight for the plug but the shield
    soldering needed improvement (Series 483 Switch?) from my perspective.
    The 440 M642/4-1 MIL-SPEC I use I happened across, going either
    (should be OEM) Red/Black "ThermoPlastic" from the design spec
    sheet(s). Somehow, though, I've ended up with solid brass handles.
    Either I already had old ones around, most happily to have swapped out
    and dumped the most un-guitaristic plastic, or, as I'm inclined what
    happened, is Joe Bloe's Ebay deal (listed for guitar plugs) tossed me
    a couple extra brass handles to make him sound more guitaristic.

    My Switchcraft schematics are less than helpful, as I can't match mine
    to what they're listing for "Nickel-plated copper-alloy" handles. Mr.
    Bloe possibly may have pulled these wonderful brass handles out his
    rabbit hat, thus making my world perfect for what I really did
    appreciate upon opening the barrels: Itsy-bitsy, delicate clockwork
    screw "sleeve and tip terminal" connections. Well worth it, sitting
    down under a magnifier loop and getting it right: been ten years
    since I did mine. I'd need a refresh look inside, even if it does
    behave like an Immortal, but I'd hazard there's not a spec of solder
    inside neither plug.

    I am continually amazed by the torrents of ignorance I find displayed on NGs >like this one, most of it presented from a supposedly "expert" perspective. Anyone
    who is looking to learn ANYTHING about audio electronics would do a lot better >elsewhere, because the people who hang here can't tell shit from apple butter.

    Lord Valve, Expert
    (fuck you)

    That good? Didn't amaze me near as much. I already knew I wanted
    something better than usual cables, it had to be me, that is in
    knowing as much that I could pull it off. And I did. So there.

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