• Re: [Article] Best Sci Fi Movies of the 21st Century

    From Lewis@1:229/2 to Bill Anderson on Saturday, August 26, 2017 04:40:13
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    From: g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies

    In message <3oOdnaVKifp7WT3EnZ2dnUU7-R_NnZ2d@giganews.com> Bill Anderson <billanderson601@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 8/25/2017 5:29 PM, Your Name wrote:

    A bunch of mostly-crap movies from ComingSoon.net. The only one that is
    even remotely close to being watchable is Wall-E. At least they had the
    brain to leave off JJ Abrams' crappy Star Trek reboots and lazy-ass Star
    Wars reboot.



    <http://www.comingsoon.net/article/features/881795-sci-fi-movies>

    I think ATTACK THE BLOCK and MOON are topnotch. DISTRICT 9 and EDGE OF TOMORROW (in spite of you know who) are good too.

    I agree.

    Didn't care much for WALL-E.

    Somehow I wouldn't have thought of if as Sci-Fi, but I do love it.

    The rest -- meh.

    Fury Road is simply the best action film I've ever seen, but it's not sci-fi.

    Children of Men was excellent, as was Inception.


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  • From Ted Nolan @1:229/2 to g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies on Saturday, August 26, 2017 04:50:58
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    From: ted@loft.tnolan.com

    In article <slrnoq1v5h.22qh.g.kreme@snow.local>,
    Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
    In message <3oOdnaVKifp7WT3EnZ2dnUU7-R_NnZ2d@giganews.com> Bill Anderson ><billanderson601@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 8/25/2017 5:29 PM, Your Name wrote:

    A bunch of mostly-crap movies from ComingSoon.net. The only one that is
    even remotely close to being watchable is Wall-E. At least they had the
    brain to leave off JJ Abrams' crappy Star Trek reboots and lazy-ass Star >>> Wars reboot.



    <http://www.comingsoon.net/article/features/881795-sci-fi-movies>

    I think ATTACK THE BLOCK and MOON are topnotch. DISTRICT 9 and EDGE OF
    TOMORROW (in spite of you know who) are good too.

    I agree.

    Didn't care much for WALL-E.

    Somehow I wouldn't have thought of if as Sci-Fi, but I do love it.


    Wall-E is very much in the vein of Frederik Pohl & Cyril Kornbluth's
    "if this goes on" SF satires of the 1950s like _The Space Merchants_ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Space_Merchants) but with more heart.
    --
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    What's not in Columbia anymore..

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  • From Your Name@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, August 26, 2017 10:29:55
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    From: YourName@YourISP.com

    A bunch of mostly-crap movies from ComingSoon.net. The only one that is
    even remotely close to being watchable is Wall-E. At least they had the
    brain to leave off JJ Abrams' crappy Star Trek reboots and lazy-ass
    Star Wars reboot.


    Best Sci Fi Movies of the 21st Century
    --------------------------------------
    The 21st Century has been a great time for sci-fi movies. New
    sci-fi movies seem to come out every month, with new ways of
    re-envisioning classic tropes in each film. The ten below are
    the best of a very competitive bunch, helping to redefine
    sci-fi for a new generation.

    * Attack the Block
    There are plenty of good sci fi movies that involve alien
    invasions. Attack the Block takes the usual plot and
    upends it by putting the invasion on the wrong side of
    the tracks. There have been a few attempts to replicate
    the success of this British film, but nothing's quite
    matched the combination of this movie's great script and
    wonderful actors.

    * Edge of Tomorrow
    Edge of Tomorrow looked like a forgettable Tom Cruise
    vehicle in its trailers, but those who actually showed up
    to the movie found a remarkable sci-fi masterpiece. Cruise
    is at his best in this movie, which involves a number of
    time travel tropes. This movie perhaps best described as
    an alien war meets Groundhog Day.

    * Wall-E
    The best sci-fi always has a message at its heart. Wall-E
    might be a cartoon, but it's one with a beautiful message
    about taking care of the planet and working to make one's
    life better instead of just being complacent. Beautifully
    animated and incredibly detailed, Wall-E is a favorite
    among adults and children alike.

    * Inception
    Christopher Nolan makes great movies. It should be no
    surprise, then, that his forays into sci-fi have been
    exceptional. Inception, like all the best sci-fi movies,
    has provoked a great deal of discussion since its release
    and has become a byword for mind-bending plots.

    * Moon
    One of the purest sci fi movies released in the last 20
    years, Moon is at once ominous and charming. Sam Rockwell
    ably carries a movie that really can't be discussed due to
    the major twist. It's worth seeing for fans of science
    fiction or those who just want to watch a
    tightly-constructed thriller.

    * Mad Max: Fury Road
    After decades of absence, Mad Max came back in a big way
    with Fury Road. An adrenaline-filled, post-apocalyptic
    tale, Fury Road managed to do the impossible by making a
    real Mad Max movie while still making the titular character
    something of a sidekick.

    * Sunshine
    Beautiful and haunting, Sunshine takes place entirely
    aboard a spaceship on its way to reignite the sun. Is the
    science great? Not really. The acting, though, is perfect.
    With a tight script and a great cast, Sunshine calls back
    to the best of old-school sci-fi.

    * Cloverfield
    Cloverfield is a loving homage to some of the best sci fi
    movies. It takes the giant monster genre and puts it in an
    entirely American context, leveraging a great deal of post
    9/11 imagery to make the monster truly scary. While it might
    not have lived up to everyone's expectations, it nonetheless
    helped to redefine the monster movie genre.

    * District 9
    Of all the sci-fi movies that have been released since the
    turn of the millennium, this one feels the most real. Taking
    place in the slums of Johannesburg, District 9's take on
    immigration and refugees is remarkably heartfelt in the
    middle of its alien story.

    * Children of Men
    This is hands down one of the best movies of the last 25
    years. Beautifully shot, amazingly acted and scarily real,
    Children of Men is the kind of cerebral science fiction that
    doesn't seem to get enough press.

    <http://www.comingsoon.net/article/features/881795-sci-fi-movies>

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  • From Bill Anderson@1:229/2 to Your Name on Friday, August 25, 2017 19:46:30
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    From: billanderson601@yahoo.com

    On 8/25/2017 5:29 PM, Your Name wrote:

    A bunch of mostly-crap movies from ComingSoon.net. The only one that is
    even remotely close to being watchable is Wall-E. At least they had the
    brain to leave off JJ Abrams' crappy Star Trek reboots and lazy-ass Star
    Wars reboot.



    <http://www.comingsoon.net/article/features/881795-sci-fi-movies>

    I think ATTACK THE BLOCK and MOON are topnotch. DISTRICT 9 and EDGE OF TOMORROW (in spite of you know who) are good too. Didn't care much for
    WALL-E. The rest -- meh.

    --
    Bill Anderson

    I am the Mighty Favog

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  • From alvey@1:229/2 to Your Name on Saturday, August 26, 2017 15:30:44
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    From: alvey@play.com

    On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 10:29:55 +1200, Your Name wrote:

    A bunch of mostly-crap movies from ComingSoon.net. The only one that is
    even remotely close to being watchable is Wall-E. At least they had the
    brain to leave off JJ Abrams' crappy Star Trek reboots and lazy-ass
    Star Wars reboot.

    Best Sci Fi Movies of the 21st Century
    --------------------------------------
    The 21st Century has been a great time for sci-fi movies. New
    sci-fi movies seem to come out every month, with new ways of
    re-envisioning classic tropes in each film. The ten below are
    the best of a very competitive bunch, helping to redefine
    sci-fi for a new generation.

    * Attack the Block
    There are plenty of good sci fi movies that involve alien
    invasions. Attack the Block takes the usual plot and
    upends it by putting the invasion on the wrong side of
    the tracks. There have been a few attempts to replicate
    the success of this British film, but nothing's quite
    matched the combination of this movie's great script and
    wonderful actors.

    * Edge of Tomorrow
    Edge of Tomorrow looked like a forgettable Tom Cruise
    vehicle in its trailers, but those who actually showed up
    to the movie found a remarkable sci-fi masterpiece. Cruise
    is at his best in this movie, which involves a number of
    time travel tropes. This movie perhaps best described as
    an alien war meets Groundhog Day.

    * Wall-E
    The best sci-fi always has a message at its heart. Wall-E
    might be a cartoon, but it's one with a beautiful message
    about taking care of the planet and working to make one's
    life better instead of just being complacent. Beautifully
    animated and incredibly detailed, Wall-E is a favorite
    among adults and children alike.

    * Inception
    Christopher Nolan makes great movies. It should be no
    surprise, then, that his forays into sci-fi have been
    exceptional. Inception, like all the best sci-fi movies,
    has provoked a great deal of discussion since its release
    and has become a byword for mind-bending plots.

    * Moon
    One of the purest sci fi movies released in the last 20
    years, Moon is at once ominous and charming. Sam Rockwell
    ably carries a movie that really can't be discussed due to
    the major twist. It's worth seeing for fans of science
    fiction or those who just want to watch a
    tightly-constructed thriller.

    * Mad Max: Fury Road
    After decades of absence, Mad Max came back in a big way
    with Fury Road. An adrenaline-filled, post-apocalyptic
    tale, Fury Road managed to do the impossible by making a
    real Mad Max movie while still making the titular character
    something of a sidekick.

    * Sunshine
    Beautiful and haunting, Sunshine takes place entirely
    aboard a spaceship on its way to reignite the sun. Is the
    science great? Not really. The acting, though, is perfect.
    With a tight script and a great cast, Sunshine calls back
    to the best of old-school sci-fi.

    * Cloverfield
    Cloverfield is a loving homage to some of the best sci fi
    movies. It takes the giant monster genre and puts it in an
    entirely American context, leveraging a great deal of post
    9/11 imagery to make the monster truly scary. While it might
    not have lived up to everyone's expectations, it nonetheless
    helped to redefine the monster movie genre.

    * District 9
    Of all the sci-fi movies that have been released since the
    turn of the millennium, this one feels the most real. Taking
    place in the slums of Johannesburg, District 9's take on
    immigration and refugees is remarkably heartfelt in the
    middle of its alien story.

    * Children of Men
    This is hands down one of the best movies of the last 25
    years. Beautifully shot, amazingly acted and scarily real,
    Children of Men is the kind of cerebral science fiction that
    doesn't seem to get enough press.

    <http://www.comingsoon.net/article/features/881795-sci-fi-movies>

    'The Martian' didn't get a nod. Odd.


    alvey

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  • From moviePig@1:229/2 to Bill Anderson on Saturday, August 26, 2017 08:55:08
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    From: pwallace@moviepig.com

    On 8/25/2017 8:46 PM, Bill Anderson wrote:
    On 8/25/2017 5:29 PM, Your Name wrote:

    A bunch of mostly-crap movies from ComingSoon.net. The only one that
    is even remotely close to being watchable is Wall-E. At least they had
    the brain to leave off JJ Abrams' crappy Star Trek reboots and
    lazy-ass Star Wars reboot.

    <http://www.comingsoon.net/article/features/881795-sci-fi-movies>

    I think ATTACK THE BLOCK and MOON are topnotch. DISTRICT 9 and EDGE OF TOMORROW (in spite of you know who) are good too. Didn't care much for WALL-E. The rest -- meh.

    CHILDREN OF MEN is sheer poetry -- which lies at the peak of great
    sci-fi, imo. ATTACK THE BLOCK, otoh, is so well liked by so many that I
    feel certain I must have missed something...

    --

    - - - - - - - -
    YOUR taste at work...
    http://www.moviepig.com

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  • From Your Name@1:229/2 to Ted Nolan on Saturday, August 26, 2017 18:31:19
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    From: YourName@YourISP.com

    On 2017-08-26 04:50:58 +0000, ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan said:
    In article <slrnoq1v5h.22qh.g.kreme@snow.local>,
    Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
    In message <3oOdnaVKifp7WT3EnZ2dnUU7-R_NnZ2d@giganews.com> Bill Anderson
    <billanderson601@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 8/25/2017 5:29 PM, Your Name wrote:

    A bunch of mostly-crap movies from ComingSoon.net. The only one that is >>>> even remotely close to being watchable is Wall-E. At least they had the >>>> brain to leave off JJ Abrams' crappy Star Trek reboots and lazy-ass Star >>>> Wars reboot.

    <http://www.comingsoon.net/article/features/881795-sci-fi-movies>

    I think ATTACK THE BLOCK and MOON are topnotch. DISTRICT 9 and EDGE OF
    TOMORROW (in spite of you know who) are good too.

    I agree.

    Didn't care much for WALL-E.

    Somehow I wouldn't have thought of if as Sci-Fi, but I do love it.

    Wall-E is very much in the vein of Frederik Pohl & Cyril Kornbluth's
    "if this goes on" SF satires of the 1950s like _The Space Merchants_ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Space_Merchants) but with more heart.

    Wall-E: A robot alone on an future-set Earth which has been abandoned
    by humans, and later goes to a starship cruise liner ... yep, defnitely
    science fiction.

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  • From moviePig@1:229/2 to trotsky on Saturday, August 26, 2017 12:33:02
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    From: pwallace@moviepig.com

    On 8/26/2017 11:16 AM, trotsky wrote:
    On 8/26/17 7:55 AM, moviePig wrote:
    On 8/25/2017 8:46 PM, Bill Anderson wrote:
    On 8/25/2017 5:29 PM, Your Name wrote:

    A bunch of mostly-crap movies from ComingSoon.net. The only one that
    is even remotely close to being watchable is Wall-E. At least they had >>>> the brain to leave off JJ Abrams' crappy Star Trek reboots and
    lazy-ass Star Wars reboot.

    <http://www.comingsoon.net/article/features/881795-sci-fi-movies>

    I think ATTACK THE BLOCK and MOON are topnotch. DISTRICT 9 and EDGE OF
    TOMORROW (in spite of you know who) are good too. Didn't care much for
    WALL-E. The rest -- meh.

    CHILDREN OF MEN is sheer poetry -- which lies at the peak of great
    sci-fi, imo.

    Great movie, with almost zero sci fi content. It's a dystopian future
    just like Mad Max is. Is that sci fi too?

    I'd agree it was so good that it's hard to think of as sci-fi. But
    "sci-fi" is about people's reaction to developments in science, in this instance an unexplained precipitous drop in humans' birth rate. It's as
    much sci-fi as, say, WHEN WORLDS COLLIDE.

    --

    - - - - - - - -
    YOUR taste at work...
    http://www.moviepig.com

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  • From Bill Anderson@1:229/2 to moviePig on Saturday, August 26, 2017 10:20:49
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    From: billanderson601@yahoo.com

    On 8/26/2017 7:55 AM, moviePig wrote:
    On 8/25/2017 8:46 PM, Bill Anderson wrote:
    On 8/25/2017 5:29 PM, Your Name wrote:

    A bunch of mostly-crap movies from ComingSoon.net. The only one that
    is even remotely close to being watchable is Wall-E. At least they had
    the brain to leave off JJ Abrams' crappy Star Trek reboots and
    lazy-ass Star Wars reboot.

    <http://www.comingsoon.net/article/features/881795-sci-fi-movies>

    I think ATTACK THE BLOCK and MOON are topnotch.  DISTRICT 9 and EDGE OF
    TOMORROW (in spite of you know who) are good too.  Didn't care much for
    WALL-E.  The rest -- meh.

    CHILDREN OF MEN is sheer poetry -- which lies at the peak of great
    sci-fi, imo.  ATTACK THE BLOCK, otoh, is so well liked by so many that I feel certain I must have missed something...


    I enjoyed WEEKEND AT BERNIE'S but I didn't enjoy LAWRENCE OF ARABIA.
    Clearly there's no accounting for taste, so don't worry about it.
    Embrace your predilections.

    --
    Bill Anderson

    I am the Mighty sure you're wrong, though, about ATTACK THE BLOCK Favog

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  • From moviePig@1:229/2 to Bill Anderson on Saturday, August 26, 2017 12:35:21
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    From: pwallace@moviepig.com

    On 8/26/2017 11:20 AM, Bill Anderson wrote:
    On 8/26/2017 7:55 AM, moviePig wrote:
    On 8/25/2017 8:46 PM, Bill Anderson wrote:
    On 8/25/2017 5:29 PM, Your Name wrote:

    A bunch of mostly-crap movies from ComingSoon.net. The only one that
    is even remotely close to being watchable is Wall-E. At least they had >>>> the brain to leave off JJ Abrams' crappy Star Trek reboots and
    lazy-ass Star Wars reboot.

    <http://www.comingsoon.net/article/features/881795-sci-fi-movies>

    I think ATTACK THE BLOCK and MOON are topnotch. DISTRICT 9 and EDGE OF
    TOMORROW (in spite of you know who) are good too. Didn't care much for
    WALL-E. The rest -- meh.

    CHILDREN OF MEN is sheer poetry -- which lies at the peak of great
    sci-fi, imo. ATTACK THE BLOCK, otoh, is so well liked by so many that
    I feel certain I must have missed something...


    I enjoyed WEEKEND AT BERNIE'S but I didn't enjoy LAWRENCE OF ARABIA.
    Clearly there's no accounting for taste, so don't worry about it.
    Embrace your predilections.

    It's good to know you won't attack the blockhead...

    --

    - - - - - - - -
    YOUR taste at work...
    http://www.moviepig.com

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  • From Your Name@1:229/2 to trotsky on Sunday, August 27, 2017 10:03:54
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    From: YourName@YourISP.com

    On 2017-08-26 15:16:16 +0000, trotsky said:
    On 8/26/17 7:55 AM, moviePig wrote:
    On 8/25/2017 8:46 PM, Bill Anderson wrote:
    On 8/25/2017 5:29 PM, Your Name wrote:

    A bunch of mostly-crap movies from ComingSoon.net. The only one that
    is even remotely close to being watchable is Wall-E. At least they had >>>> the brain to leave off JJ Abrams' crappy Star Trek reboots and
    lazy-ass Star Wars reboot.

    <http://www.comingsoon.net/article/features/881795-sci-fi-movies>

    I think ATTACK THE BLOCK and MOON are topnotch.  DISTRICT 9 and EDGE OF
    TOMORROW (in spite of you know who) are good too.  Didn't care much for
    WALL-E.  The rest -- meh.

    CHILDREN OF MEN is sheer poetry -- which lies at the peak of great sci-fi, imo.

    Great movie, with almost zero sci fi content. It's a dystopian future
    just like Mad Max is. Is that sci fi too?

    Yes, it is.

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  • From Your Name@1:229/2 to Bill Anderson on Sunday, August 27, 2017 10:11:27
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    From: YourName@YourISP.com

    On 2017-08-26 15:20:49 +0000, Bill Anderson said:
    On 8/26/2017 7:55 AM, moviePig wrote:
    On 8/25/2017 8:46 PM, Bill Anderson wrote:
    On 8/25/2017 5:29 PM, Your Name wrote:

    A bunch of mostly-crap movies from ComingSoon.net. The only one that
    is even remotely close to being watchable is Wall-E. At least they had >>>> the brain to leave off JJ Abrams' crappy Star Trek reboots and
    lazy-ass Star Wars reboot.

    <http://www.comingsoon.net/article/features/881795-sci-fi-movies>

    I think ATTACK THE BLOCK and MOON are topnotch.  DISTRICT 9 and EDGE OF
    TOMORROW (in spite of you know who) are good too.  Didn't care much for
    WALL-E.  The rest -- meh.

    CHILDREN OF MEN is sheer poetry -- which lies at the peak of great
    sci-fi, imo.  ATTACK THE BLOCK, otoh, is so well liked by so many that
    I feel certain I must have missed something...

    I enjoyed WEEKEND AT BERNIE'S but I didn't enjoy LAWRENCE OF ARABIA.
    Clearly there's no accounting for taste, so don't worry about it.
    Embrace your predilections.

    Now, those two are definietly not sci-fi movies. ;-)

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  • From moviePig@1:229/2 to trotsky on Sunday, August 27, 2017 12:10:42
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    From: pwallace@moviepig.com

    On 8/27/2017 11:29 AM, trotsky wrote:
    On 8/26/17 11:33 AM, moviePig wrote:
    On 8/26/2017 11:16 AM, trotsky wrote:
    On 8/26/17 7:55 AM, moviePig wrote:
    On 8/25/2017 8:46 PM, Bill Anderson wrote:
    On 8/25/2017 5:29 PM, Your Name wrote:

    A bunch of mostly-crap movies from ComingSoon.net. The only one that >>>>>> is even remotely close to being watchable is Wall-E. At least they >>>>>> had
    the brain to leave off JJ Abrams' crappy Star Trek reboots and
    lazy-ass Star Wars reboot.

    <http://www.comingsoon.net/article/features/881795-sci-fi-movies>

    I think ATTACK THE BLOCK and MOON are topnotch. DISTRICT 9 and
    EDGE OF
    TOMORROW (in spite of you know who) are good too. Didn't care much
    for
    WALL-E. The rest -- meh.

    CHILDREN OF MEN is sheer poetry -- which lies at the peak of great
    sci-fi, imo.

    Great movie, with almost zero sci fi content. It's a dystopian future
    just like Mad Max is. Is that sci fi too?

    I'd agree it was so good that it's hard to think of as sci-fi. But
    "sci-fi" is about people's reaction to developments in science, in
    this instance an unexplained precipitous drop in humans' birth rate.
    It's as much sci-fi as, say, WHEN WORLDS COLLIDE.


    Supposedly. There is no good definition if you ask me, but Science
    Fiction generally has some amount of fictional science in it and I don't remember any in CoM. I think the dystopian future movie should be a
    genre unto itself.

    I've heard also the definition that it's about reaction to *advances* in science, which I think is coherent. But, of course, that rules out a
    lot of what we've long classified as sci-fi movies.

    (Science is present in COM as our first line of defense, normally quite powerful, rendered inexplicably impotent. It's part of the despair.)

    --

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  • From Ted Nolan @1:229/2 to gmsingh@email.com on Sunday, August 27, 2017 17:39:52
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    From: ted@loft.tnolan.com

    In article <DzBoB.10080$Ek2.2976@fx08.iad>, trotsky <gmsingh@email.com> wrote: >On 8/26/17 11:33 AM, moviePig wrote:
    On 8/26/2017 11:16 AM, trotsky wrote:
    On 8/26/17 7:55 AM, moviePig wrote:
    On 8/25/2017 8:46 PM, Bill Anderson wrote:
    On 8/25/2017 5:29 PM, Your Name wrote:

    A bunch of mostly-crap movies from ComingSoon.net. The only one that >>>>>> is even remotely close to being watchable is Wall-E. At least they had >>>>>> the brain to leave off JJ Abrams' crappy Star Trek reboots and
    lazy-ass Star Wars reboot.

    <http://www.comingsoon.net/article/features/881795-sci-fi-movies>

    I think ATTACK THE BLOCK and MOON are topnotch.  DISTRICT 9 and EDGE OF >>>>> TOMORROW (in spite of you know who) are good too.  Didn't care much for >>>>> WALL-E.  The rest -- meh.

    CHILDREN OF MEN is sheer poetry -- which lies at the peak of great
    sci-fi, imo.

    Great movie, with almost zero sci fi content.  It's a dystopian future
    just like Mad Max is.  Is that sci fi too?

    I'd agree it was so good that it's hard to think of as sci-fi.  But
    "sci-fi" is about people's reaction to developments in science, in this
    instance an unexplained precipitous drop in humans' birth rate.  It's as
    much sci-fi as, say, WHEN WORLDS COLLIDE.


    Supposedly. There is no good definition if you ask me, but Science
    Fiction generally has some amount of fictional science in it and I don't >remember any in CoM. I think the dystopian future movie should be a
    genre unto itself.


    Post nucular war stories were a staple of 50s & 60s written SF. Sturgeon's "Thunder & Roses" for instance:

    http://tinyurl.com/ybjj5web
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  • From moviePig@1:229/2 to trotsky on Sunday, August 27, 2017 15:51:48
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    From: pwallace@moviepig.com

    On 8/27/2017 2:59 PM, trotsky wrote:
    On 8/27/17 11:10 AM, moviePig wrote:
    On 8/27/2017 11:29 AM, trotsky wrote:
    On 8/26/17 11:33 AM, moviePig wrote:
    On 8/26/2017 11:16 AM, trotsky wrote:
    On 8/26/17 7:55 AM, moviePig wrote:
    On 8/25/2017 8:46 PM, Bill Anderson wrote:
    On 8/25/2017 5:29 PM, Your Name wrote:

    A bunch of mostly-crap movies from ComingSoon.net. The only one >>>>>>>> that
    is even remotely close to being watchable is Wall-E. At least they >>>>>>>> had
    the brain to leave off JJ Abrams' crappy Star Trek reboots and >>>>>>>> lazy-ass Star Wars reboot.

    <http://www.comingsoon.net/article/features/881795-sci-fi-movies> >>>>>>>
    I think ATTACK THE BLOCK and MOON are topnotch. DISTRICT 9 and
    EDGE OF
    TOMORROW (in spite of you know who) are good too. Didn't care much >>>>>>> for
    WALL-E. The rest -- meh.

    CHILDREN OF MEN is sheer poetry -- which lies at the peak of great >>>>>> sci-fi, imo.

    Great movie, with almost zero sci fi content. It's a dystopian future >>>>> just like Mad Max is. Is that sci fi too?

    I'd agree it was so good that it's hard to think of as sci-fi. But
    "sci-fi" is about people's reaction to developments in science, in
    this instance an unexplained precipitous drop in humans' birth rate.
    It's as much sci-fi as, say, WHEN WORLDS COLLIDE.


    Supposedly. There is no good definition if you ask me, but Science
    Fiction generally has some amount of fictional science in it and I don't >>> remember any in CoM. I think the dystopian future movie should be a
    genre unto itself.

    I've heard also the definition that it's about reaction to *advances*
    in science, which I think is coherent. But, of course, that rules out
    a lot of what we've long classified as sci-fi movies.

    (Science is present in COM as our first line of defense, normally
    quite powerful, rendered inexplicably impotent. It's part of the
    despair.)


    You can go down that road all you want, but a science fiction story
    can't be a character study unless there is some amount of science in it.
    "Blade Runner" is a good example. Dystopian, check. Character driven, check. Significant storyline about replicants, check.

    Is 'Fahrenheit 451' sci-fi? How about 'Carrie'? Or the aforementioned
    'When Worlds Collide'? All "serious" stories, and non-fantasy...

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  • From TT@1:229/2 to All on Monday, August 28, 2017 22:31:43
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    From: ascii@dprk.kp

    moviePig kirjoitti 28.8.2017 klo 14:52:
    What science is in 'Fahrenheit 451', besides whatever drives
    totalitarianism?

    It happens in future, on technically advanced society. Big brother is
    watching and communicates with you using screens in your room etc.

    Carrie happens in current time and relies on superpowers, not advanced
    science.

    When Worlds Collide (1951) has rockets and spaceships.

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  • From moviePig@1:229/2 to trotsky on Monday, August 28, 2017 07:52:22
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    From: pwallace@moviepig.com

    On 8/28/2017 7:25 AM, trotsky wrote:
    On 8/27/17 2:51 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 8/27/2017 2:59 PM, trotsky wrote:

    You can go down that road all you want, but a science fiction story
    can't be a character study unless there is some amount of science in it. >>> "Blade Runner" is a good example. Dystopian, check. Character driven, >>> check. Significant storyline about replicants, check.

    Is 'Fahrenheit 451' sci-fi?


    Yes.


    How about 'Carrie'?


    No.


    Or the aforementioned
    'When Worlds Collide'?


    Haven't seen it, but probably.


    All "serious" stories, and non-fantasy...



    What science is there in "Carrie"?

    She has an ability that science can't explain. 'When Worlds Collide' is
    about a disaster that, like most disasters, science can't fix. What
    science is in 'Fahrenheit 451', besides whatever drives totalitarianism?

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  • From moviePig@1:229/2 to All on Monday, August 28, 2017 16:17:10
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    From: pwallace@moviepig.com

    On 8/28/2017 3:31 PM, TT wrote:
    moviePig kirjoitti 28.8.2017 klo 14:52:
    What science is in 'Fahrenheit 451', besides whatever drives
    totalitarianism?

    It happens in future, on technically advanced society. Big brother is watching and communicates with you using screens in your room etc.

    Carrie happens in current time and relies on superpowers, not advanced science.

    When Worlds Collide (1951) has rockets and spaceships.

    Iirc, F451 is only "future" enough to make its events seem to loom
    menacingly. But the relevant events themselves entail very little in
    the way of scientific advancement. Quite the opposite, in fact.

    Meanwhile, I'd argue that CARRIE presents its extra-normal phenomena as
    of implicitly biological origin, i.e., 'factual' as opposed to derived
    from magic or spandex underwear. She's as sci-fi as the Creature From
    the Black Lagoon.

    And, I think it's fair to say that WWC is deemed sci-fi as soon as the celestial cue-ball looms in the heavens, long before the rocket sled.

    My point might be that, if we abandon "serious" attempts to delimit
    sci-fi as a genre with a reliable content, and instead settle for
    mapping the known (i.e., widely accepted) sci-fi universe, we get an agglomeration that really just a uselessly fluid consensus -- where STAR
    WARS stands alongside THE SHAPE OF THINGS TO COME.

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  • From TT@1:229/2 to All on Monday, August 28, 2017 23:22:15
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    From: ascii@dprk.kp

    Your Name kirjoitti 26.8.2017 klo 1:29:

    A bunch of mostly-crap movies from ComingSoon.net.

    I wouldn't call them crap and in fact I liked many of those.
    They're not the best scifi films ever made (or even 21st century) but
    there are some entertaining ones.

    This is how I rated them. (I probably overrate scifi films slightly,
    being a big scifi film fan)



       Best Sci Fi Movies of the 21st Century

       * Attack the Block

    4/10
    If I recall correctly this is one of those shakycam found footage
    teenage crap films...


       * Edge of Tomorrow

    8/10

    It's not a masterpiece by any stretch of imagination but I found it very entertaining. Also time travel is always a positive...



       * Wall-E

    8/10

    Have seen it only once but the robot was really likeable and very nice
    film overall with great cgi.



       * Inception

    6/10

    Decent scifi but not even close to Interstellar.
    The problem is too much action/shooting and somewhat questionable
    (despite being over-explained) science logic at times.


       * Moon

    7/10

    Pretty good scifi. Man alone in space is always interesting. Goes a bit overboard towards the end.



       * Mad Max: Fury Road

    6/10

    Visually great action fest but I felt the script was lacking big time. Borderline scifi.



       * Sunshine

    6/10

    Average scifi. Don't remember much.



       * Cloverfield

    7/10

    Attack the Block done right. Shakycam found footage teen crap but on
    this occasion it makes it seem authentic. A matter of good direction?

       * District 9

    8/10

    Very good Alien Nation (1988) ripoff. I think I may have overrated it a
    bit though, probably a 7 would be more fitting.


       * Children of Men

    5/10

    Unimpressed.

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  • From TT@1:229/2 to All on Monday, August 28, 2017 23:42:03
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    From: ascii@dprk.kp

    moviePig kirjoitti 28.8.2017 klo 23:17:
    On 8/28/2017 3:31 PM, TT wrote:
    moviePig kirjoitti 28.8.2017 klo 14:52:
    What science is in 'Fahrenheit 451', besides whatever drives
    totalitarianism?

    It happens in future, on technically advanced society. Big brother is
    watching and communicates with you using screens in your room etc.

    Carrie happens in current time and relies on superpowers, not advanced
    science.

    When Worlds Collide (1951) has rockets and spaceships.

    Iirc, F451 is only "future" enough to make its events seem to loom menacingly.  But the relevant events themselves entail very little in
    the way of scientific advancement.  Quite the opposite, in fact.


    There was some technology not in use at the time I think.

    Meanwhile, I'd argue that CARRIE presents its extra-normal phenomena as
    of implicitly biological origin, i.e., 'factual' as opposed to derived
    from magic or spandex underwear.  She's as sci-fi as the Creature From
    the Black Lagoon.


    Carrie has supernatural abilities, not scientifically explained (or
    tried to explain). That makes it more fantasy than scifi. (Although its
    most accurate genre is probably 'horror')

    Although the thin red line seems a bit thin sometimes... Take for
    example Firestarter (1984)... basically Carrie but with 'scientific' explanation.

    Speaking of which, here's a really fun Carrie prank video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlOxlSOr3_M

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  • From Your Name@1:229/2 to moviePig on Tuesday, August 29, 2017 09:18:13
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    From: YourName@YourISP.com

    On 2017-08-28 20:17:10 +0000, moviePig said:
    On 8/28/2017 3:31 PM, TT wrote:
    moviePig kirjoitti 28.8.2017 klo 14:52:

    What science is in 'Fahrenheit 451', besides whatever drives
    totalitarianism?

    It happens in future, on technically advanced society. Big brother is
    watching and communicates with you using screens in your room etc.

    Carrie happens in current time and relies on superpowers, not advanced
    science.

    When Worlds Collide (1951) has rockets and spaceships.

    Iirc, F451 is only "future" enough to make its events seem to loom menacingly. But the relevant events themselves entail very little in
    the way of scientific advancement. Quite the opposite, in fact.

    Meanwhile, I'd argue that CARRIE presents its extra-normal phenomena as
    of implicitly biological origin, i.e., 'factual' as opposed to derived
    from magic or spandex underwear. She's as sci-fi as the Creature From
    the Black Lagoon.

    And, I think it's fair to say that WWC is deemed sci-fi as soon as the celestial cue-ball looms in the heavens, long before the rocket sled.

    My point might be that, if we abandon "serious" attempts to delimit
    sci-fi as a genre with a reliable content, and instead settle for
    mapping the known (i.e., widely accepted) sci-fi universe, we get an agglomeration that really just a uselessly fluid consensus -- where
    STAR WARS stands alongside THE SHAPE OF THINGS TO COME.

    "Science fiction" is a large umbrella genre of various sub-genres ...
    the "distopian future" being one of them.

    Trying to restrict "science fiction" to, for example, only containing
    things we can only do now or where there are long-winded mumbo-jumbo explanations of science being used is where it gets ridiculously silly.

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  • From Bill Anderson@1:229/2 to All on Monday, August 28, 2017 18:26:05
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    From: billanderson601@yahoo.com

    On 8/28/2017 3:22 PM, TT wrote:




        Best Sci Fi Movies of the 21st Century

        * Attack the Block

    4/10
    If I recall correctly this is one of those shakycam found footage
    teenage crap films...



    You do not recall correctly.

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    I am the Mighty Favog

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