• Re: [Article] The Dark Tower: biggest letdown in years

    From Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy@1:229/2 to Your Name on Saturday, August 12, 2017 16:42:20
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    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in news:omo12i$ab6$1
    @gioia.aioe.org:

    John Joseph Adams on representation:
    "I think we all agree that Idris Elba was great, and I've
    seen some commentary about how diverse the movie is in
    general, which I did appreciate. ... But I fear that
    Hollywood will take the wrong lessons from this. There's
    this critical failure, and they're going to blame it on
    that - much in the way we've seen in other industries. You
    see Marvel struggling with sales, and you hear this
    commentary from insiders saying 'people don't want
    diversity in their comics, and that must be why we have
    declining sales.' I just feel like Hollywood always learns
    the wrong lessons from failures, and I'm afraid that that's
    the lesson they're going to learn from this, even though it
    doesn't have anything to do with why the movie's terrible."

    That is because the people responsible - the decision makers -
    *cannot* *possibly* be at fault for simply making a shitty movie.
    (Just ask them.) So they pick the most obvious characteristic, and
    says "that's why!" because it's important that the public understand
    that "IT'S NOT OUR FAULT!!!," because otherwise, they might not go
    see the *next* shitty movie the same people make.

    --
    Terry Austin

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  • From Your Name@1:229/2 to All on Sunday, August 13, 2017 10:56:20
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    From: YourName@YourISP.com

    Admit it, The Dark Tower is film's biggest letdown in years
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    The new Dark Tower movie starring Idris Elba and Matthew
    McConaughey is something that Stephen King fans like Maya
    Prohovnik have been looking forward to for years.
    Unfortunately, the movie falls far short of expectations.

    "I just felt so disappointed," Prohovnik says in Episode 268
    of the Geek's Guide to the Galaxy podcast. "I was so ready
    to have that magical moment of watching The Dark Tower
    happen on the big screen, and it just felt like some other
    bad movie."

    King's series is dark and wildly imaginative, but the film
    adaptation seems designed to be as safe and familiar as
    possible. "If you took every sci-fi adventure movie
    starring a kid and put them in a blender, and blended it up
    and poured it out into a cup, this is what it would be,"
    says Geek's Guide to the Galaxy host David Barr Kirtley.
    "It's the most average movie of this type I've ever seen."

    Fantasy author Rajan Khanna is a big fan of the novels'
    Weird West elements, and was disappointed that those
    elements barely made it into the film. "I think they were
    afraid to go into that post-apocalyptic Western mode," he
    says. "But if they'd done it with care - and drawn from the
    source material - people would have responded to it."

    Science fiction editor John Joseph Adams also hated the
    movie, but he's a big enough fan of the books that he's
    willing to give the upcoming TV series one last shot.
    "I have zero expectations," he says. "But I'd watch the
    first episode. Grudgingly."

    Listen to our complete interview with Maya Prohovnik,
    Rajan Khanna, and John Joseph Adams in Episode 268 of
    Geek's Guide to the Galaxy (above). And check out some
    highlights from the discussion below.


    Rajan Khanna on characterization:
    "There's no character development for anyone. Even if you
    can admit that Jake could be the main character of this
    movie, we get introduced to him, and I felt like I didn't
    have any idea who this kid was. ... There's nothing about
    Jake in the beginning that makes him likeable at all, or
    interesting - except for his dreams. I feel like it's all
    plot devices throughout. There's nothing about Roland that
    seems compelling. Unlike in the books, he's not interested
    in The Dark Tower at all, he doesn't even want to go there,
    he's out for revenge. And why does the Man in Black want to
    destroy The Dark Tower? Why does he just like screwing with
    people? Sure, he's like the devil, he's a force of evil.
    But there's nothing to any of these characters that makes
    them interesting to me."

    David Barr Kirtley on familiarity:
    "A lot of the commentary I've seen has said you wouldn't be
    able to understand this if you haven't read the books, but
    I thought it was incredibly, stupidly obvious what was
    happening. ... Every scene in the movie is something that
    you've seen in fifty other movies before, including the one
    where the character wakes up and hears his dad's voice.
    It's like, 'I'm in a scary forest on another world and I
    hear my dad's voice, and rather than waking up the guy next
    to me and asking him what's going on, I'm just going to
    wander by myself off into the woods.' There's a scene
    almost exactly like this in Spaceballs, of all things, and
    if you're regurgitating Spaceballs, isn't that a warning
    sign to you that maybe you should rewrite your scenes?"

    John Joseph Adams on representation:
    "I think we all agree that Idris Elba was great, and I've
    seen some commentary about how diverse the movie is in
    general, which I did appreciate. ... But I fear that
    Hollywood will take the wrong lessons from this. There's
    this critical failure, and they're going to blame it on
    that - much in the way we've seen in other industries. You
    see Marvel struggling with sales, and you hear this
    commentary from insiders saying 'people don't want
    diversity in their comics, and that must be why we have
    declining sales.' I just feel like Hollywood always learns
    the wrong lessons from failures, and I'm afraid that that's
    the lesson they're going to learn from this, even though it
    doesn't have anything to do with why the movie's terrible."

    Maya Prohovnik on the Dark Tower books:
    "You can find news articles that are referenced in the books
    that actually exist, so it's this really cool real world
    crossover, and I started looking up all the places that it
    mentioned in the books in New York City, and I found the
    Hammarskjöld Plaza, which actually exists. ... It's right
    across from the building where my parents got married, and I
    was like, 'Whoa.' It's such a stretch, but just the fact that
    the real world was written into the books, and then that I
    had some tiny connection to it - you know, it was right after I
    read the books, and I was all emotional, and I think that
    happens for a lot of people when they read it, because
    Keystone Earth is our Earth, there's all these opportunities
    to feel like you're really part of the story."

    <https://www.wired.com/2017/08/geeks-guide-the-dark-tower>

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  • From The Starmaker@1:229/2 to Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy on Sunday, August 13, 2017 13:21:07
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    From: starmaker@ix.netcom.com

    Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:

    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in news:omo12i$ab6$1
    @gioia.aioe.org:

    John Joseph Adams on representation:
    "I think we all agree that Idris Elba was great, and I've
    seen some commentary about how diverse the movie is in
    general, which I did appreciate. ... But I fear that
    Hollywood will take the wrong lessons from this. There's
    this critical failure, and they're going to blame it on
    that - much in the way we've seen in other industries. You
    see Marvel struggling with sales, and you hear this
    commentary from insiders saying 'people don't want
    diversity in their comics, and that must be why we have
    declining sales.' I just feel like Hollywood always learns
    the wrong lessons from failures, and I'm afraid that that's
    the lesson they're going to learn from this, even though it
    doesn't have anything to do with why the movie's terrible."

    That is because the people responsible - the decision makers -
    *cannot* *possibly* be at fault for simply making a shitty movie.
    (Just ask them.) So they pick the most obvious characteristic, and
    says "that's why!" because it's important that the public understand
    that "IT'S NOT OUR FAULT!!!," because otherwise, they might not go
    see the *next* shitty movie the same people make.

    --
    Terry Austin



    It simply cost less to make a bad movie than a good movie.

    It takes less time
    it takes less money
    it takes less energy..

    and the public watches it
    and they don't get their money back.

    How many percentages HBO movies are junk movies???

    You have the junk movie channels..

    you know, one hour commercials and 5 minutes of movie inbetween...

    you forget you were even watching a movie...

    "Hey Honey, what movie was I watching?"

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