From:
slider@anashram.com
On Fri, 02 Jul 2021 02:41:31 +0100, o'Mahoney <
libertidad@south.south.com> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Jul 2021 14:29:06 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 01 Jul 2021 12:15:49 +0100, o'Mahoney
<libertidad@south.south.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jun 2021 12:54:42 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:
"I have made it my life's work to see the world the way it actually
is,
to
learn whatever it is the universe had to teach me about itself, not
what I
believed I should be taught about it. Through the process of being
torn
completely down, spiritually broken and emotionally laid bare over and >>>> over again, through having my most sincere spiritual idealities toyed
with
and annihilated in the most bizarre, twisted fashion, my world view
was
stripped down to nothing. I was left with the task of rebuilding, not
only
my life, but who I understand myself to be, from scratch."
--From: 'Imagination and our world of Make-Believe'. By Vincent
Sargenti
### - sounds about right doesn't it heh... methinks vinny's nailed it
there! ;)
i.e., by dint of being 'born' into wallyworld, and knowing nothing
else
to
the contrary, it thus takes a ferocious struggle for someone/anyone to >>>> break-away from their moorings enough to begin to become aware of some >>>> of
the things existing 'outside' of wallyworld and the cheap & cruddy
'image'
of life, the universe & everything wallyworld thus typically
makes/paints
(and installs) of it all by default via it's strictly
reductionist-type
view...
vinny's book therefore being 'one' description of a successful escape
from
its clutches (only one because there's as many examples as there are
people albeit some of them are typically grouped into almost
traditional-looking paths...)
vinny's particular path being absolutely typical of many making the
same
journey: of someone first having to lose everything in order to
discover a
completely different approach/way when that 'old' way fails altogether >>>> and
one thus begins (or is forced, rather) to see everything via newly
opened
eyes... (the christians would say he'd been 'born again', for example
;)
one can thus accordingly only conclude, that, in writing it all from
the
pov of hindsight, vinny obviously made it all the way to higher
ground,
shall we say?
that he, for one, 'survived' the horrendous process of being stripped
to
the bone and laid bare, a process integral to him then
finding/discovering
himself anew...
nice story, smile, quite warm, very human... ;)
his story being/standing testament mainly to the fact that it CAN be
done!
and is thus: Valid!
or, as in many instances these days: 'needs' to be done
double-quick-time
or we're all goin' down the fuckin' drain haha ;)
(slider cracks the whip: MUSH! you lazy fuckin' mofo's! MUSH! MUSH!!!
hehe...)
I think I'd trust someone with a recent Ph.D treatise on quantum
mechanics and astrophysics thanks. No need to "tear yourself down and
rebuilld yourself".
### - smile, fyi: that's actually the standard/traditional route for the
vast majority when it comes to reaching 'enlightenment' :)
I don't know so much that the "standard/traditional" route for the
masses is to listen attentively to an intellect who is eminently
qualified to discuss the nature of reality at quantum scale and at astrophysical scale.
Most of the droobs wouldn't know nature(reality) if it hit them in the
arse :)
### - it 'should' be for the masses only it's not... very few actually
reaching the 'enlightened' state under discussion... the vast majority
instead going for reason, even though most of them don't quite make it and
end up being neither fish nor fowl... (i.e., these are then yer' typical sheeps)
that only when the life one was living previously (i.e., one's previous
whole world view) collapses entirely, does something that was being kept
hidden in the background all that time get a chance to come forward...
So, Einstein, Bohr, Feynmann, Hawking etc needed to have their lives "collapsed entirely" in order to make the massive world-changing
discoveries which led to the techologies we all enjoy today and the understanding of reality and nature (one and the same actually) some
of us who are priveliged to have reasonable IQ's enjoy today?
Must have been a fucking early "collapse" for these giants seeing as
most of these discoveries were made in their early 20's!
Lol
### - 'rational' geniuses are something else; they're the epitome of
reason per se, the pioneers and front-runners of it...
'irrational' geniuses more usually being artists of one kind or another; writers, poets, philosophers, painters & sculptors for example...
there can also be an element of overlapping between the two; Oppenheimer,
for example, liked poetry and other religious texts such as the bhagavad gita... one of his friends (can't remember which) saying to him at one
point: why do you bother with all that poetry nonsense, we're scientists
for christsakes! and i can't remember his reply either, but it was
definitely along the lines of 'oh fuck-off you rational moron!" and/or
very elegant words to that effect lol :)))
one's 'grip' on that previous world view being sooo ultimately tenacious
and fixed that, subjectively, the experience of altering it is perforce
devastating as, for a little while at least, and until one puts the new
view together, one is seemingly without any view whatsoever and thus one
experiences the so called 'dark night of the soul' in which one seems to
have nada at all except one's life-force ;)
Yadayadayada. The problem with people like you who deny science and
want to trip out of all the difficulties which merely living and
surviving in reality brings is that your lulu "worldviews" are just
personal figments, hallucinations, soap bubbles in the wind.
### - am not 'denying' science, not at all, science has a definite place
in the grand scheme of things... rationalism, however, isn't ALL that
exists in the universe, there's another complete side to our nature, one
that remains relatively unexplored, i.e., 'inner space'
Fuck the dark night of the soul. Those who have the luxury of
contemplating such rubbish need to spend a few nights amongst the
beggars of Calcutta or the slums of Rio or the refugees camps of Syria
and so on. No time there and then for such imaginings. Just the
perpetual hard-scrabble for survival.
Jaysus.
### - but buddha himself spent 60 years living as a beggar on the streets
of india; no one could have been more grounded than that!? he being yet
another example of that self same process, in that he started out as a
prince with absolutely everything only to then forsake all that to go live
as a beggar on the streets of india for 60 years! (can ya just imagine
what that must have been like 2600 years ago?? jaysus for real lol)
'the dark night of the soul' thus poetically refers/alludes to an
intermediate stage; the point at which the caterpillar actually turns into
a butterfly and hatches out, it's no longer a caterpillar but isn't a
fully fledged butterfly either! - it's formless - a very dark moment in
the life of any man who encounters it, usually one of ultimate despair & hopelessness!
and then, just when it's at it's absolute worst and all is lost, the dawn
comes up, the night is over, a new day dawns ;)
(and that's poetry, see?)
e.g...
"The Soul comes to the end of its long journey and, naked and alone,
draws
near to the divine light."
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/377809856209817868/
The Ascent into the Empyrean, by Hieonymus Bosch (1450-1516).
Bosch was a painter and a sick guy by the looks of his canvasses.
Needed help.
### - ahahaha you made me belly-laugh lol... (slider falling about laffing
@ "needed help" ahaha)
and because van gogh obviously needed help too heh but never got it, and
yet is now paradoxically recognised as being probably the best artist that
ever lived??
i.e., it's been said that there's no such thing as genius that isn't touched/tinged by madness ;)
Little help in the dark ages though, just short
lifespans full of misery and sickness and ignorance.
### - oh don't talk such rot lol, only in certain places in the middle
ages was it like that, the Kalahari bushmen (for example) have been living
into their 70's for 1000's of years completely unaffected by western civilisation: yes if you cram people into filthy dirty cities, half starve
them and work them like mules from dawn till dusk till they drop they'll
only live into their 40's, but then that was a situation entirely of our
own making, under more natural conditions 3-score and 10 is more average
for a human life (even in the bible it says this pertaining to 1000's of
years ago that 3-score & 10 is/was the average... thus every village had
its wise old 'elders' etc etc...)
iow: you know very well that the universe is MORE than just a simple
bucket of nuts & bolts, yes?
the nuts & bolts side of it all is actually the 'easy' + simple side heh
(coz it always has to add up or it doesn't exist) - it's the 'other' side that's the 'real' challenge, that isn't simple nor straightforward, it's
not something that can be just totaled up and/or 'made-sense' of!
the 'irrational' perforce being 'outside' of the limitations of the
rational is actually inclusive OF the rational and never the other way
around! (i.e., the rational is totally incapable of including the
irrational other than to reject it...)
see? ;)
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