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On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 08:40:02 +0100, slider <
slider@nanashram.com>
wrote:
In Seoul US defence secretary said Pyongyang engages in ‘outlaw’ behaviour >and that the US will never accept a nuclear North Korea.
US defence secretary Jim Mattis has said the threat of nuclear missile
attack by North Korea is accelerating.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/28/james-mattis-threat-of-north-korea-nuclear-attack-is-accelerating
In remarks in Seoul with South Korean defence minister Song Young-moo at
his side, Mattis accused the North of illegal and unnecessary missile and >nuclear programs – and vowed to defeat any attack.
Democrats push bill to stop a Trump pre-emptive strike on North Korea
Mattis said the North engages in “outlaw” behaviour and that the US will >never accept a nuclear North.
He added that regardless of what the North might try, it is overmatched by >the firepower and cohesiveness of the decades-old US-South Korean alliance.
“North Korea has accelerated the threat that it poses to its neighbors and >the world through its illegal and unnecessary missile and nuclear weapons >programs,” he said, adding that US-South Korean military and diplomatic >collaboration thus has taken on “a new urgency.”
“I cannot imagine a condition under which the United States would accept >North Korea as a nuclear power,” he said
As he emphasized throughout his weeklong Asia trip, which included stops
in Thailand and the Philippines, Mattis said diplomacy remains the
preferred way to deal with the North.
“With that said,” he added, “make no mistake – any attack on the United
States or our allies will be defeated, and any use of nuclear weapons by
the North will be met with a massive military response that is effective
and overwhelming.”
Mattis’s comments in Seoul did not go beyond his recent statements of >concern about North Korea, although he appeared to inject a stronger note >about the urgency of resolving the crisis.
### - “I cannot imagine a condition under which the United States would >accept North Korea as a nuclear power,” he said...
this sounds about right to moi thang? as they're NEVER gonna let this
twerp into the nuclear club, ever! - 'especially' after all the things
he's threatened the US with?? (ya can't say such things to them and expect >'nothing' to ever come of it???) nah, they's gonna make an example of him, >create an object lesson in 'just what to expect' (to the rest of the
world) if/when ya start fuckin' with the big dude... and 'coz NK certainly >ain't no 'cool hand luke'!
bend over kim; quite soon they's gonna explain it to ya's son, very
clearly indeed okaaay?
'right up' the dirtbox! :D
A couple of observations:
1. DPRK is *already* a member of the nuclear club and it will not
voluntarily or spontaneously disarm. The minimum count of
warheads/gravity bombs is 20 but by some accounts up to 60, some of
which are up to 250kt yield (about the yield of a MIRV'd warhead on a
Trident III carried by Ohio class subs - city busters, in other
words).
"The analysis, completed last month by the Defense Intelligence
Agency, comes on the heels of another intelligence assessment that
sharply raises the official estimate for the total number of bombs in
the communist country’s atomic arsenal. The United States calculated
last month that up to 60 nuclear weapons are now controlled by North
Korean leader Kim Jong Un. Some independent experts think the number
is much smaller."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/north-korea-now-making-missile-ready-nuclear-weapons-us-analysts-say/2017/08/08/e14b882a-7b6b-11e7-9d08-b79f191668ed_story.html?utm_term=.f3a0d9f07087
2. DPRK will not disarm because Iraq (Saddam) and Libya (Ghaddafi)
both ceased efforts to develop nuclear weapons on request and then
were destroyed overtly and covertly by the USA. This is the primary
reason why DPRK will not, ever, disarm. The USA is not to be trusted.
3. Mattis's words should be read like this:
“I cannot imagine a condition under which the United States would
accept North Korea as a nuclear power - with the capacity to now hit
the USA mainland".
So long as DPRK had the capacity to hit only regional cities such as
Seoul and perhaps Tokyo, Yokohama and so on, the USA would never have
uttered these words. But, you see, now DPRK is able to deliver a
hydrogen (fusion) bomb right on Seattle or LA or perhaps even Chicago,
thus rendering those cities uninhabitable for the next 200 years and
destroying the US economy and social fabric.
*This* is what Mattis now voices as being "unacceptable". The USA
never cared whether a regional war would go nuclear so long as its
prized cities remained intact. That is no longer the case.
4. There isn't a lot which the USA can do about DPRK having attained
this ability. DPRK has above all been successful in stifling
intelligence gathering by the US (or by any other power for that
matter including China and Russia). The USA can only guess at what
capability DPRK has right now let alone what capability it may have in
the near future. It possibly can take out a mainland city in the USA
right now and this gives the USA reason to pause. If Trump were to
rain nuclear weapons even down on DPRK there is no guarantee that such
would take out DPRK's ability to hit back and take out Seattle or LA
with a 250kt burst or an EMP airburst over southern Canada for
instance which would take out power supplies across the northern half
of the USA - for good. DPRK has teeth now and the "can" can no longer
be kicked down the road.
5. USA is on the horns of a dilemma, between a rock and a hard place.
Does it hit DPRK and chance the loss of a major city (along with Tokyo
and Seoul) and the possibility of fallout drifting into China and
Russia and a major war with either or both of those powers - and the possibliity that Iran closes the Straits of Hormuz simultaneously by
sinking a few ships in the channel? Or does it accept reality and
permit DPRK to continue to develop means to punish USA with losses of
full cities even NY and Boston down to Miami and development of fine
tuned delivery systems which put the entire western world at risk?
6. This, above, at (5) is the question. There is no other possiblity
or option. I think all DPRK and Mattis bombast aside, cooler heads
will prevail and DPRK will survive under the same sort of threat that
other powers are surviving, which is the threat of
counter-annihilation if DPRK attacks anyone. Except, in this case,
there is much more hatred of the USA by DPRK than by Russia or China
so the tinderbox is not only dry, it is primed.
The above is a potted summary of exactly where the world stands right
now a la DPRK -v- USA. All you need for your mind to work the odds is contained above.
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