• Re: Ukraine's Zelenskiy to Putin: Meet me for peace talks in Donbass co

    From slider@1:229/2 to All on Thursday, April 22, 2021 13:31:08
    From: slider@anashram.com

    ### - more clues in this developing situation?


    ‘No easy walk’: Stronger Ukrainian army confident of checking Russian aggression

    Kyiv has upgraded its military since Moscow’s annexation of Crimea in 2014

    When Yuliy Mamchur, a Ukrainian air force colonel, tried to fend off a
    Russian attack on his base on the Crimean peninsula in 2014, his troops
    were hardly equipped for their mission.

    https://www.ft.com/content/3e02ac52-1582-470e-8c05-52549ae5429e

    “We stood for a month surrounded by well-armed elite troops. We had only pistols and three machine guns to defend the air base,” Mamchur recalled.

    The pitiful state of Ukraine’s military was exposed seven years ago when Russia seized the peninsula and later stirred up a separatist war in
    Donbas, eastern Ukraine.

    Troops lacked flak jackets and wore old Soviet helmets incapable of
    stopping bullets. Tanks and many armoured vehicles failed to operate due
    to missing parts and shortages of fuel.

    With Russia once again threatening war, having amassed about 110,000
    personnel along the eastern border of Ukraine and on the occupied Crimean peninsula, Kyiv now has a larger, more professional military with battle experience to offer resistance to, if not defeat, Russian forces.

    “We have been preparing for the enemy’s offensive since 2014,” Arsen Avakov, Ukraine’s interior minister, said this week as he inspected the well-funded National Guard.

    “And I want the aggressor to understand that the attack on Ukraine will
    not be an easy walk, it will be a huge loss for anyone who decides to
    enter our land without our consent.”

    Russia’s military intentions are hard to fathom. But analysts, Ukrainian
    and western officials say Kyiv’s stronger armed forces would increase the military cost to Russia of an incursion or invasion, which President
    Vladimir Putin would have to factor in when weighing any escalation.

    Public support for a Russian offensive would be a concern for the Kremlin,
    a European diplomat said, pointing out that while Russians backed the annexation of Crimea they feel less attached to the Donbas.

    In the years leading up to Moscow’s 2014 aggression, Ukraine’s armed
    forces had been starved of resources by a pro-Kremlin president, Viktor Yanukovich. But defence spending doubled to 3.4 per cent of gross domestic product in 2019, from 1.6 per cent in 2013, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute. Troop numbers have expanded.

    Oleksandr Danylyuk, former adviser to Ukraine’s defence minister in 2014
    and now at the Kyiv-based Center for Defense Reform, estimates Ukraine has about 250,000 active servicemen (the International Institute for Strategic Studies estimates 209,000) and 1m reservists, 250,000 of which have combat experience, compared with just 60,000 battle-ready soldiers in 2014.

    Ukraine’s army has evolved from a core of trained soldiers supplemented by volunteer battalions to a more professional corps, hardened by years of fighting.

    Oana Lungescu, Nato’s spokesperson, said Ukraine’s security and defence sector had “come a long way” over the past seven years, and emphasised progress in areas such as defence planning and military education.

    Allies including the US, Canada, UK, and Lithuania have provided training
    for Ukrainian forces, while Nato has focused on strengthening command and control capabilities and improving communications.

    “In 2014 Ukraine was caught off-guard, the military was poorly trained, poorly equipped, and there was a high level of corruption,” said Yohann Michel, a defence analyst at the IISS. “One of the most important effects
    [of training] is on morale. Anything you can do to make troops feel more professional will result in them operating more professionally.”

    These efforts fit Kyiv’s wider plan to meet Nato standards, with the aim
    of eventually joining the alliance.

    “The improvements are about modernisation and professionalisation of the armed forces, but it’s also about their objective of becoming closer to Nato,” said Sarah Lain, a Ukraine researcher at the Royal United Services Institute.

    Kyiv has also invested in hardware. Soviet-era tanks and artillery have
    been refurbished. New precision weapons have been developed or obtained
    from the west, including more than 300 Javelin anti-tank missiles from the
    US. Rocket systems have been upgraded.

    Two years ago, Ukraine acquired six Bayraktar TB2 drones from Turkey, as
    used by Azerbaijan to secure victory against Armenia in last year’s Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. Ukraine is in talks with Turkey on purchasing
    an additional 48.

    Using drones for reconnaissance and in a limited strike capability is one
    way for Kyiv to overcome its ageing aircraft fleet’s deficiencies, but
    Michel of the IISS warned that the Russians will be ready with jamming technology and anti-drone defences.

    “Like the Javelin, those drones will not change the overall balance of the conflict and will probably not overwhelm Russia,” he said.

    Kyiv also lacks comprehensive anti-drone and anti-aircraft capabilities,
    and has not so far persuaded the US to help fill this gap by providing
    Patriot missile systems.

    Dmytro Kuleba, Ukrainian foreign minister, said he had relayed “some
    specific needs” for the Ukrainian military to Washington but the US
    response would depend on Russia’s actions.

    However, western allies including the US and UK provide vital surveillance functions and, since Moscow’s troop build-up last month, have intensified
    spy plane deployments over the areas occupied by Russian forces.

    “It provides reassurance and intelligence to the Ukrainians, and also
    sends a signal to Moscow, that we know where you are and what you’re doing,” said one western defence official.

    James Sherr, a senior fellow of the Estonian Foreign Policy Institute at
    the International Centre for Defence and Security, cautioned that even obtaining state of the art equipment would not address the main weaknesses
    of Ukraine’s defence as it confronts “one of the world’s masters in modern, highly mobile combined arms-and-manoeuvre warfare.”

    “Ukraine’s forces are neither trained for that and have not been given the resources for that,” he said.

    Danylyuk said Russia has the military might to “unleash massive
    aggression” and could capture territory to allow it to re-establish water supplies to the Crimean peninsula — thought to be one of Moscow’s possible objectives. “But are they ready to pay the price for it?”

    “This will not be an easy stroll for Russia this time . . . There will be
    tens of thousands of casualties,” said Mamchur, who is in Ukraine’s
    reserve forces — and stands ready to serve again.

    ### - so the ukraine army's been, erm, 'upgraded' then has it?

    so who's been doin' THAT for 'em i wonder??

    riiiiiight...

    the way it 'looks' now being that of a ukraine aggression rather than a
    russian one?

    i.e., ukraine wants its lands and ports back and is all tooled-up ready to
    go and get 'em...

    and russia is preparing to repel that offensive!

    either way, we're looking at a clash in the southern regions and/or for
    crimea, maybe both?

    the ukraine army hasn't got a hope in hell though compared to the
    russians...

    so are they expecting some kinda help from 'outside' sources maybe??

    can't see russia ever giving up anything via a military conflict though,
    maybe through talks but never this way?

    i mean, if that's what's goin' down there then it's really bad news!

    the backup resources russia has being almost unlimited??

    that 'whatever' happens (if anything happens) it wont be small!

    fuck me, we're totally insane on this planet lol :)))

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Thursday, April 22, 2021 02:14:11
    From: slider@anashram.com

    ### - another clue, this time coming from russia...

    Putin vows ‘quick and tough’ response if foes interfere with Russian interests

    Moscow — President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday sternly warned the West against encroaching further on Russia’s security interests, saying
    Moscow’s response will be “quick and tough” and make the culprits bitterly
    sorry for their action.

    https://www.syracuse.com/us-news/2021/04/putin-vows-quick-and-tough-response-if-foes-interfere-with-russian-interests.html

    The warning during Putin’s annual state-of-the-nation address came amid a massive Russian military buildup near Ukraine, where cease-fire violations
    in the seven-year conflict between Russia-backed separatists and Ukrainian forces have escalated in recent weeks. The United States and its allies
    have urged the Kremlin to pull the troops back.

    “I hope that no one dares to cross the red line in respect to Russia, and
    we will determine where it is in each specific case,” Putin said. “Those who organize any provocations threatening our core security interests will regret their deeds more than they regretted anything for a long time.”

    Moscow has rejected Ukrainian and Western concerns about the troop
    buildup, saying it doesn’t threaten anyone and that Russia is free to
    deploy its forces on its territory. But the Kremlin also has warned
    Ukraine against trying to use force to retake control of the rebel-held
    east, saying Russia could be forced to intervene to protect civilians in
    the region.

    “We really don’t want to burn the bridges,” Putin said. “But if some mistake our good intentions for indifference or weakness and intend to
    burn or even blow up those bridges themselves, Russia’s response will be asymmetrical, quick and tough.”

    In an apparent reference to the U.S. and its allies, the Russian leader denounced those who impose “unlawful, politically motivated economic sanctions and crude attempts to enforce its will on others.” He said
    Russia has shown restraint and often refrained from responding to “openly boorish” actions by others.

    The Biden administration last week imposed new sanctions on Russia for interfering in the 2020 U.S. presidential election and for involvement in
    the SolarWind hack of federal agencies — activities Moscow has denied. The U.S. ordered 10 Russian diplomats expelled, targeted dozens of companies
    and individuals, and imposed new curbs on Russia’s ability to borrow money.

    Russia retaliated by ordering 10 U.S. diplomats to leave, blacklisting
    eight current and former U.S. officials, and tightening requirements for
    U.S. Embassy operations.

    “Russia has its own interests, which we will defend in line with the international law,” Putin said during Wednesday’s address. “If somebody refuses to understand this obvious thing, is reluctant to conduct a
    dialogue and chooses a selfish and arrogant tone, Russia will always find
    a way to defend its position.”

    In an emotional outburst, Putin chastised the West for acquiring a defiant stance toward Russia.

    “Some countries have developed a nasty habit of bullying Russia for any reason or without any reason at all. It has become a new sport,” he said.

    In an apparent reference to the U.S. allies, he compared them to Tabaqui,
    a cowardly golden jackal kowtowing to Shere Khan, the tiger in Rudyard Kipling’s “Jungle Book.” “They howl to please their lord,” he said.

    ### - interesting how russia sees things? the russian pov hehe...

    in the 'clue' dept., however, them preparing to repel an attempt to
    'retake' the southern regions, could indeed be what it's really all about
    (is utterly plausible)

    so is that what we're perhaps planning/moving towards then?

    if so it's doomed to failure imho... that would take a LOT of force to
    actually accomplish!

    just how MUCH force is applied being fairly topical at this point in
    history no?

    would inevitably escalate i mean... neither side would wanna back down!

    and then where would it stop?? (IF it stopped!?)

    so is the virus shit driving us all insane or wot??

    damn maybe it is!

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  • From o'Mahoney@1:229/2 to All on Friday, April 23, 2021 06:41:07
    From: libertidad@south.south.com

    Putin is a piece of shit. You know it, I know it, and the entire FREE
    world knows it. A petty dictator who kills at whim and assasinates
    his opposition. Hitler would be proud.

    Please, Slider, don't worship this dog. He is hated throughout most
    of the civlised world and no right (as in morally right) human being
    would have anything to do with this scumbag.

    I feel that his nemesis is coming, his karma train about to pull in at
    his station and all the shit he has done since Boris' time is about to
    land on his doorstep.

    His pull back from Ukraine (fear) is only the first step on his road
    to hell. If he lets Navalny die, he won't know what hit him.

    Joe was right. The man has no soul.



    On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 02:14:11 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
    wrote:

    ### - another clue, this time coming from russia...

    Putin vows ‘quick and tough’ response if foes interfere with Russian >interests

    Moscow — President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday sternly warned the West >against encroaching further on Russia’s security interests, saying >Moscow’s response will be “quick and tough” and make the culprits bitterly
    sorry for their action.

    https://www.syracuse.com/us-news/2021/04/putin-vows-quick-and-tough-response-if-foes-interfere-with-russian-interests.html

    The warning during Putin’s annual state-of-the-nation address came amid a >massive Russian military buildup near Ukraine, where cease-fire violations
    in the seven-year conflict between Russia-backed separatists and Ukrainian >forces have escalated in recent weeks. The United States and its allies
    have urged the Kremlin to pull the troops back.

    “I hope that no one dares to cross the red line in respect to Russia, and >we will determine where it is in each specific case,” Putin said. “Those >who organize any provocations threatening our core security interests will >regret their deeds more than they regretted anything for a long time.”

    Moscow has rejected Ukrainian and Western concerns about the troop
    buildup, saying it doesn’t threaten anyone and that Russia is free to >deploy its forces on its territory. But the Kremlin also has warned
    Ukraine against trying to use force to retake control of the rebel-held
    east, saying Russia could be forced to intervene to protect civilians in
    the region.

    “We really don’t want to burn the bridges,” Putin said. “But if some >mistake our good intentions for indifference or weakness and intend to
    burn or even blow up those bridges themselves, Russia’s response will be >asymmetrical, quick and tough.”

    In an apparent reference to the U.S. and its allies, the Russian leader >denounced those who impose “unlawful, politically motivated economic >sanctions and crude attempts to enforce its will on others.” He said
    Russia has shown restraint and often refrained from responding to “openly >boorish” actions by others.

    The Biden administration last week imposed new sanctions on Russia for >interfering in the 2020 U.S. presidential election and for involvement in
    the SolarWind hack of federal agencies — activities Moscow has denied. The >U.S. ordered 10 Russian diplomats expelled, targeted dozens of companies
    and individuals, and imposed new curbs on Russia’s ability to borrow money.

    Russia retaliated by ordering 10 U.S. diplomats to leave, blacklisting
    eight current and former U.S. officials, and tightening requirements for
    U.S. Embassy operations.

    “Russia has its own interests, which we will defend in line with the >international law,” Putin said during Wednesday’s address. “If somebody >refuses to understand this obvious thing, is reluctant to conduct a
    dialogue and chooses a selfish and arrogant tone, Russia will always find
    a way to defend its position.”

    In an emotional outburst, Putin chastised the West for acquiring a defiant >stance toward Russia.

    “Some countries have developed a nasty habit of bullying Russia for any >reason or without any reason at all. It has become a new sport,” he said.

    In an apparent reference to the U.S. allies, he compared them to Tabaqui,
    a cowardly golden jackal kowtowing to Shere Khan, the tiger in Rudyard >Kipling’s “Jungle Book.” “They howl to please their lord,” he said.

    ### - interesting how russia sees things? the russian pov hehe...

    in the 'clue' dept., however, them preparing to repel an attempt to
    'retake' the southern regions, could indeed be what it's really all about
    (is utterly plausible)

    so is that what we're perhaps planning/moving towards then?

    if so it's doomed to failure imho... that would take a LOT of force to >actually accomplish!

    just how MUCH force is applied being fairly topical at this point in
    history no?

    would inevitably escalate i mean... neither side would wanna back down!

    and then where would it stop?? (IF it stopped!?)

    so is the virus shit driving us all insane or wot??

    damn maybe it is!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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