From sticking a magnet on a fridge door to throwing a ball into a"If the quark masses,or the basic forces, or the cosmological constant
basketball hoop, the forces of physics are at play in every moment of our >lives.
All of the forces we experience every day can be reduced to just four >categories: gravity, electromagnetism, the strong force and the weak force.
Now, physicists say they have found possible signs of a fifth fundamental >force of nature.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/56643677
The findings come from research carried out at a laboratory near Chicago.
The four fundamental forces govern how all the objects and particles in
the Universe interact with each other.
For example, gravity makes objects fall to the ground, and heavy objects >behave as if they are glued to the floor.
The UK's Science and Technology Facilities Council (STFC) said the result >"provides strong evidence for the existence of an undiscovered sub-atomic >particle or new force".
But the results from the Muon g-2 experiment don't add up to a conclusive >discovery yet.
There is currently a one in a 40,000 chance that the result could be a >statistical fluke - equating to a statistical level of confidence
described as 4.1 sigma.
A level of 5 sigma, or a one in 3.5 million chance of the observation
being a coincidence, is needed to claim a discovery.
Prof Mark Lancaster, who is the UK lead for the experiment, told BBC News: >"We have found the interaction of muons are not in agreement with the >Standard Model [the current widely-accepted theory to explain how the >building blocks of the Universe behave]."
The University of Manchester researcher added: "Clearly, this is very >exciting because it potentially points to a future with new laws of
physics, new particles and a new force which we have not seen to date."
The finding is the latest in a string of promising results from particle >physics experiments in the US, Japan, and most recently from the Large
Hadron Collider on the Swiss-French border.
Prof Ben Allanach, from Cambridge University, who was not involved with
the latest effort, said: "My Spidey sense is tingling and telling me that >this is going to be real.
"I have been looking all my career for forces and particles beyond what we >know already, and this is it. This is the moment that I have been waiting
for and I'm not getting a lot of sleep because I'm too excited."
The experiment, based at the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
(Fermilab) in Batavia, Illinois, searches for signs of new phenomena in >physics by studying the behaviour of sub-atomic particles called muons.
There are building blocks of our world that are even smaller than the
atom. Some of these sub-atomic particles are made up of even smaller >constituents, while others can't be broken down into anything else >(fundamental particles).
The muon is one of these fundamental particles; it's similar to the
electron, but more than 200 times heavier.
The Muon g-2 experiment involves sending the particles around a 14-metre
ring and then applying a magnetic field. Under the current laws of
physics, encoded in the Standard Model, this should make the muons wobble
at a certain rate.
Instead, the scientists found that muons wobbled at a faster rate than >expected. This might be caused by a force of nature that's completely new
to science.
No one yet knows what this potential new force does, other than influence >muon particles.
Theoretical physicists believe that it might also be associated with an >as-yet undiscovered sub-atomic particle. There is more than one concept
for what this hypothetical particle might be. One is called a leptoquark, >another is the Z' boson (Z-prime boson).
Last month, physicists working at the LHCb experiment at the Large Hadron >Collider described results that could point to a new particle and force.
Dr Mitesh Patel, from Imperial College London, who was involved with that >project, said: "The race is really on now to try and get one of these >experiments to really get the proof that this really is something new.
That will take more data and more measurements and hopefully show evidence >that these effects are real."
Prof Allanach has given the possible fifth force various names in his >theoretical models. Among them are the "flavour force", the "third family >hyperforce" and - most prosaic of all - "B minus L2".
In addition to the more familiar forces of gravity and electromagnetism >(which is responsible for electricity and magnetism), the strong and weak >forces govern the behaviour of sub-atomic particles.
A fifth fundamental force might help explain some of the big puzzles about >the Universe that have exercised scientists in recent decades.
For example, the observation that the expansion of the Universe was
speeding up was attributed to a mysterious phenomenon known as dark
energy. But some researchers have previously suggested it could be
evidence of a fifth force.
Dr Maggie Aderin-Pocock, co-presenter of the BBC's Sky at Night programme, >told BBC News: "It is quite mind boggling. It has the potential to turn >physics on its head. We have a number of mysteries that remain unsolved.
And this could give us the key answers to solve these mysteries."
### - so much for dark matter then huh lol :)))
a 5th force in nature certainly makes way more sense than the existence
some kind of (cough-cough) nebulous 'dark matter' anyway heh, and even
this is, in all likelihood, not all of it either!
perhaps matie's 'spidey-sense' is yet another force in nature too then eh? >just not one ya could measure tho'
i mean, summat's gotta also account for 'dark' energy and 'dark' flow as
well innit...
not to mention the other 95% of the universe?? (95 fuckin' percent! which
is basically near enough ALL of it lol - that's how little we know!)
the piddly little 4 or 5% we've so far managed to get hold of being
naff-all by comparison to the whole! so we really have no right whatsoever
to be arrogant!
is still interesting though to see just what they make of their new
discovery huh...
have always been interested in such things, just not to the point of >arrogance is all ;)
Pardon me for top posting, I didn't want to be rude enought to snip
the below.
Here's a better exposition of what they have found, including
necessary reference to the quantum foam and virtual particles...
https://news.umich.edu/u-m-physics-group-joins-in-announcement-of-stronger-evidence-of-new-physics-revealed-by-fermilabs-muon-g-2-experiment/
On Thu, 08 Apr 2021 00:36:57 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:
From sticking a magnet on a fridge door to throwing a ball into a >>basketball hoop, the forces of physics are at play in every moment of our >>lives."If the quark masses,or the basic forces, or the cosmological constant
All of the forces we experience every day can be reduced to just four >>categories: gravity, electromagnetism, the strong force and the weak force. >>
Now, physicists say they have found possible signs of a fifth fundamental >>force of nature.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/56643677
The findings come from research carried out at a laboratory near Chicago.
The four fundamental forces govern how all the objects and particles in
the Universe interact with each other.
For example, gravity makes objects fall to the ground, and heavy objects >>behave as if they are glued to the floor.
The UK's Science and Technology Facilities Council (STFC) said the result >>"provides strong evidence for the existence of an undiscovered sub-atomic >>particle or new force".
But the results from the Muon g-2 experiment don't add up to a conclusive >>discovery yet.
There is currently a one in a 40,000 chance that the result could be a >>statistical fluke - equating to a statistical level of confidence
described as 4.1 sigma.
A level of 5 sigma, or a one in 3.5 million chance of the observation
being a coincidence, is needed to claim a discovery.
Prof Mark Lancaster, who is the UK lead for the experiment, told BBC News: >>"We have found the interaction of muons are not in agreement with the >>Standard Model [the current widely-accepted theory to explain how the >>building blocks of the Universe behave]."
The University of Manchester researcher added: "Clearly, this is very >>exciting because it potentially points to a future with new laws of >>physics, new particles and a new force which we have not seen to date."
The finding is the latest in a string of promising results from particle >>physics experiments in the US, Japan, and most recently from the Large >>Hadron Collider on the Swiss-French border.
Prof Ben Allanach, from Cambridge University, who was not involved with
the latest effort, said: "My Spidey sense is tingling and telling me that >>this is going to be real.
"I have been looking all my career for forces and particles beyond what we >>know already, and this is it. This is the moment that I have been waiting >>for and I'm not getting a lot of sleep because I'm too excited."
The experiment, based at the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory >>(Fermilab) in Batavia, Illinois, searches for signs of new phenomena in >>physics by studying the behaviour of sub-atomic particles called muons.
There are building blocks of our world that are even smaller than the
atom. Some of these sub-atomic particles are made up of even smaller >>constituents, while others can't be broken down into anything else >>(fundamental particles).
The muon is one of these fundamental particles; it's similar to the >>electron, but more than 200 times heavier.
The Muon g-2 experiment involves sending the particles around a 14-metre >>ring and then applying a magnetic field. Under the current laws of
physics, encoded in the Standard Model, this should make the muons wobble >>at a certain rate.
Instead, the scientists found that muons wobbled at a faster rate than >>expected. This might be caused by a force of nature that's completely new >>to science.
No one yet knows what this potential new force does, other than influence >>muon particles.
Theoretical physicists believe that it might also be associated with an >>as-yet undiscovered sub-atomic particle. There is more than one concept
for what this hypothetical particle might be. One is called a leptoquark, >>another is the Z' boson (Z-prime boson).
Last month, physicists working at the LHCb experiment at the Large Hadron >>Collider described results that could point to a new particle and force.
Dr Mitesh Patel, from Imperial College London, who was involved with that >>project, said: "The race is really on now to try and get one of these >>experiments to really get the proof that this really is something new.
That will take more data and more measurements and hopefully show evidence >>that these effects are real."
Prof Allanach has given the possible fifth force various names in his >>theoretical models. Among them are the "flavour force", the "third family >>hyperforce" and - most prosaic of all - "B minus L2".
In addition to the more familiar forces of gravity and electromagnetism >>(which is responsible for electricity and magnetism), the strong and weak >>forces govern the behaviour of sub-atomic particles.
A fifth fundamental force might help explain some of the big puzzles about >>the Universe that have exercised scientists in recent decades.
For example, the observation that the expansion of the Universe was >>speeding up was attributed to a mysterious phenomenon known as dark
energy. But some researchers have previously suggested it could be
evidence of a fifth force.
Dr Maggie Aderin-Pocock, co-presenter of the BBC's Sky at Night programme, >>told BBC News: "It is quite mind boggling. It has the potential to turn >>physics on its head. We have a number of mysteries that remain unsolved. >>And this could give us the key answers to solve these mysteries."
### - so much for dark matter then huh lol :)))
a 5th force in nature certainly makes way more sense than the existence >>some kind of (cough-cough) nebulous 'dark matter' anyway heh, and even
this is, in all likelihood, not all of it either!
perhaps matie's 'spidey-sense' is yet another force in nature too then eh? >>just not one ya could measure tho'
i mean, summat's gotta also account for 'dark' energy and 'dark' flow as >>well innit...
not to mention the other 95% of the universe?? (95 fuckin' percent! which >>is basically near enough ALL of it lol - that's how little we know!)
the piddly little 4 or 5% we've so far managed to get hold of being >>naff-all by comparison to the whole! so we really have no right whatsoever >>to be arrogant!
is still interesting though to see just what they make of their new >>discovery huh...
have always been interested in such things, just not to the point of >>arrogance is all ;)
had been much different, the Universe would have been a sterile wasteland.
It seems that the only reactions are either to embrace a multiverse
or a designer."
Tim Maudlin, New York University
Pardon me for top posting, I didn't want to be rude enought to snip
the below.
Here's a better exposition of what they have found, including
necessary reference to the quantum foam and virtual particles...
https://news.umich.edu/u-m-physics-group-joins-in-announcement-of-stronger-evidence-of-new-physics-revealed-by-fermilabs-muon-g-2-experiment/
On Thu, 08 Apr 2021 00:36:57 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:
From sticking a magnet on a fridge door to throwing a ball into a"If the quark masses,or the basic forces, or the cosmological constant
basketball hoop, the forces of physics are at play in every moment of
our
lives.
All of the forces we experience every day can be reduced to just four
categories: gravity, electromagnetism, the strong force and the weak
force.
Now, physicists say they have found possible signs of a fifth
fundamental
force of nature.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/56643677
The findings come from research carried out at a laboratory near
Chicago.
The four fundamental forces govern how all the objects and particles in
the Universe interact with each other.
For example, gravity makes objects fall to the ground, and heavy objects
behave as if they are glued to the floor.
The UK's Science and Technology Facilities Council (STFC) said the
result
"provides strong evidence for the existence of an undiscovered
sub-atomic
particle or new force".
But the results from the Muon g-2 experiment don't add up to a
conclusive
discovery yet.
There is currently a one in a 40,000 chance that the result could be a
statistical fluke - equating to a statistical level of confidence
described as 4.1 sigma.
A level of 5 sigma, or a one in 3.5 million chance of the observation
being a coincidence, is needed to claim a discovery.
Prof Mark Lancaster, who is the UK lead for the experiment, told BBC
News:
"We have found the interaction of muons are not in agreement with the
Standard Model [the current widely-accepted theory to explain how the
building blocks of the Universe behave]."
The University of Manchester researcher added: "Clearly, this is very
exciting because it potentially points to a future with new laws of
physics, new particles and a new force which we have not seen to date."
The finding is the latest in a string of promising results from particle
physics experiments in the US, Japan, and most recently from the Large
Hadron Collider on the Swiss-French border.
Prof Ben Allanach, from Cambridge University, who was not involved with
the latest effort, said: "My Spidey sense is tingling and telling me
that
this is going to be real.
"I have been looking all my career for forces and particles beyond what
we
know already, and this is it. This is the moment that I have been
waiting
for and I'm not getting a lot of sleep because I'm too excited."
The experiment, based at the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
(Fermilab) in Batavia, Illinois, searches for signs of new phenomena in
physics by studying the behaviour of sub-atomic particles called muons.
There are building blocks of our world that are even smaller than the
atom. Some of these sub-atomic particles are made up of even smaller
constituents, while others can't be broken down into anything else
(fundamental particles).
The muon is one of these fundamental particles; it's similar to the
electron, but more than 200 times heavier.
The Muon g-2 experiment involves sending the particles around a 14-metre
ring and then applying a magnetic field. Under the current laws of
physics, encoded in the Standard Model, this should make the muons
wobble
at a certain rate.
Instead, the scientists found that muons wobbled at a faster rate than
expected. This might be caused by a force of nature that's completely
new
to science.
No one yet knows what this potential new force does, other than
influence
muon particles.
Theoretical physicists believe that it might also be associated with an
as-yet undiscovered sub-atomic particle. There is more than one concept
for what this hypothetical particle might be. One is called a
leptoquark,
another is the Z' boson (Z-prime boson).
Last month, physicists working at the LHCb experiment at the Large
Hadron
Collider described results that could point to a new particle and force.
Dr Mitesh Patel, from Imperial College London, who was involved with
that
project, said: "The race is really on now to try and get one of these
experiments to really get the proof that this really is something new.
That will take more data and more measurements and hopefully show
evidence
that these effects are real."
Prof Allanach has given the possible fifth force various names in his
theoretical models. Among them are the "flavour force", the "third
family
hyperforce" and - most prosaic of all - "B minus L2".
In addition to the more familiar forces of gravity and electromagnetism
(which is responsible for electricity and magnetism), the strong and
weak
forces govern the behaviour of sub-atomic particles.
A fifth fundamental force might help explain some of the big puzzles
about
the Universe that have exercised scientists in recent decades.
For example, the observation that the expansion of the Universe was
speeding up was attributed to a mysterious phenomenon known as dark
energy. But some researchers have previously suggested it could be
evidence of a fifth force.
Dr Maggie Aderin-Pocock, co-presenter of the BBC's Sky at Night
programme,
told BBC News: "It is quite mind boggling. It has the potential to turn
physics on its head. We have a number of mysteries that remain unsolved.
And this could give us the key answers to solve these mysteries."
### - so much for dark matter then huh lol :)))
a 5th force in nature certainly makes way more sense than the existence
some kind of (cough-cough) nebulous 'dark matter' anyway heh, and even
this is, in all likelihood, not all of it either!
perhaps matie's 'spidey-sense' is yet another force in nature too then
eh?
just not one ya could measure tho'
i mean, summat's gotta also account for 'dark' energy and 'dark' flow as
well innit...
not to mention the other 95% of the universe?? (95 fuckin' percent!
which
is basically near enough ALL of it lol - that's how little we know!)
the piddly little 4 or 5% we've so far managed to get hold of being
naff-all by comparison to the whole! so we really have no right
whatsoever
to be arrogant!
is still interesting though to see just what they make of their new
discovery huh...
have always been interested in such things, just not to the point of
arrogance is all ;)
had been much different, the Universe would have been a sterile
wasteland.
It seems that the only reactions are either to embrace a multiverse
or a designer."
Tim Maudlin, New York University
On Thu, 08 Apr 2021 04:03:25 +0100, o'Mahoney <libertidad@south.south.com> >wrote:
Pardon me for top posting, I didn't want to be rude enought to snip
the below.
Here's a better exposition of what they have found, including
necessary reference to the quantum foam and virtual particles...
https://news.umich.edu/u-m-physics-group-joins-in-announcement-of-stronger-evidence-of-new-physics-revealed-by-fermilabs-muon-g-2-experiment/
On Thu, 08 Apr 2021 00:36:57 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:
From sticking a magnet on a fridge door to throwing a ball into a"If the quark masses,or the basic forces, or the cosmological constant
basketball hoop, the forces of physics are at play in every moment of
our
lives.
All of the forces we experience every day can be reduced to just four
categories: gravity, electromagnetism, the strong force and the weak
force.
Now, physicists say they have found possible signs of a fifth
fundamental
force of nature.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/56643677
The findings come from research carried out at a laboratory near
Chicago.
The four fundamental forces govern how all the objects and particles in
the Universe interact with each other.
For example, gravity makes objects fall to the ground, and heavy objects >>> behave as if they are glued to the floor.
The UK's Science and Technology Facilities Council (STFC) said the
result
"provides strong evidence for the existence of an undiscovered
sub-atomic
particle or new force".
But the results from the Muon g-2 experiment don't add up to a
conclusive
discovery yet.
There is currently a one in a 40,000 chance that the result could be a
statistical fluke - equating to a statistical level of confidence
described as 4.1 sigma.
A level of 5 sigma, or a one in 3.5 million chance of the observation
being a coincidence, is needed to claim a discovery.
Prof Mark Lancaster, who is the UK lead for the experiment, told BBC
News:
"We have found the interaction of muons are not in agreement with the
Standard Model [the current widely-accepted theory to explain how the
building blocks of the Universe behave]."
The University of Manchester researcher added: "Clearly, this is very
exciting because it potentially points to a future with new laws of
physics, new particles and a new force which we have not seen to date."
The finding is the latest in a string of promising results from particle >>> physics experiments in the US, Japan, and most recently from the Large
Hadron Collider on the Swiss-French border.
Prof Ben Allanach, from Cambridge University, who was not involved with
the latest effort, said: "My Spidey sense is tingling and telling me
that
this is going to be real.
"I have been looking all my career for forces and particles beyond what
we
know already, and this is it. This is the moment that I have been
waiting
for and I'm not getting a lot of sleep because I'm too excited."
The experiment, based at the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
(Fermilab) in Batavia, Illinois, searches for signs of new phenomena in
physics by studying the behaviour of sub-atomic particles called muons.
There are building blocks of our world that are even smaller than the
atom. Some of these sub-atomic particles are made up of even smaller
constituents, while others can't be broken down into anything else
(fundamental particles).
The muon is one of these fundamental particles; it's similar to the
electron, but more than 200 times heavier.
The Muon g-2 experiment involves sending the particles around a 14-metre >>> ring and then applying a magnetic field. Under the current laws of
physics, encoded in the Standard Model, this should make the muons
wobble
at a certain rate.
Instead, the scientists found that muons wobbled at a faster rate than
expected. This might be caused by a force of nature that's completely
new
to science.
No one yet knows what this potential new force does, other than
influence
muon particles.
Theoretical physicists believe that it might also be associated with an
as-yet undiscovered sub-atomic particle. There is more than one concept
for what this hypothetical particle might be. One is called a
leptoquark,
another is the Z' boson (Z-prime boson).
Last month, physicists working at the LHCb experiment at the Large
Hadron
Collider described results that could point to a new particle and force. >>>
Dr Mitesh Patel, from Imperial College London, who was involved with
that
project, said: "The race is really on now to try and get one of these
experiments to really get the proof that this really is something new.
That will take more data and more measurements and hopefully show
evidence
that these effects are real."
Prof Allanach has given the possible fifth force various names in his
theoretical models. Among them are the "flavour force", the "third
family
hyperforce" and - most prosaic of all - "B minus L2".
In addition to the more familiar forces of gravity and electromagnetism
(which is responsible for electricity and magnetism), the strong and
weak
forces govern the behaviour of sub-atomic particles.
A fifth fundamental force might help explain some of the big puzzles
about
the Universe that have exercised scientists in recent decades.
For example, the observation that the expansion of the Universe was
speeding up was attributed to a mysterious phenomenon known as dark
energy. But some researchers have previously suggested it could be
evidence of a fifth force.
Dr Maggie Aderin-Pocock, co-presenter of the BBC's Sky at Night
programme,
told BBC News: "It is quite mind boggling. It has the potential to turn
physics on its head. We have a number of mysteries that remain unsolved. >>> And this could give us the key answers to solve these mysteries."
### - so much for dark matter then huh lol :)))
a 5th force in nature certainly makes way more sense than the existence
some kind of (cough-cough) nebulous 'dark matter' anyway heh, and even
this is, in all likelihood, not all of it either!
perhaps matie's 'spidey-sense' is yet another force in nature too then
eh?
just not one ya could measure tho'
i mean, summat's gotta also account for 'dark' energy and 'dark' flow as >>> well innit...
not to mention the other 95% of the universe?? (95 fuckin' percent!
which
is basically near enough ALL of it lol - that's how little we know!)
the piddly little 4 or 5% we've so far managed to get hold of being
naff-all by comparison to the whole! so we really have no right
whatsoever
to be arrogant!
is still interesting though to see just what they make of their new
discovery huh...
have always been interested in such things, just not to the point of
arrogance is all ;)
had been much different, the Universe would have been a sterile
wasteland.
It seems that the only reactions are either to embrace a multiverse
or a designer."
Tim Maudlin, New York University
### - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvIL3PeFIFA
"shit just happens"
haha ;)
On Thu, 08 Apr 2021 12:54:12 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 08 Apr 2021 04:03:25 +0100, o'Mahoney
<libertidad@south.south.com>
wrote:
Pardon me for top posting, I didn't want to be rude enought to snip
the below.
Here's a better exposition of what they have found, including
necessary reference to the quantum foam and virtual particles...
https://news.umich.edu/u-m-physics-group-joins-in-announcement-of-stronger-evidence-of-new-physics-revealed-by-fermilabs-muon-g-2-experiment/
On Thu, 08 Apr 2021 00:36:57 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:
From sticking a magnet on a fridge door to throwing a ball into a"If the quark masses,or the basic forces, or the cosmological constant
basketball hoop, the forces of physics are at play in every moment of
our
lives.
All of the forces we experience every day can be reduced to just four
categories: gravity, electromagnetism, the strong force and the weak
force.
Now, physicists say they have found possible signs of a fifth
fundamental
force of nature.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/56643677
The findings come from research carried out at a laboratory near
Chicago.
The four fundamental forces govern how all the objects and particles
in
the Universe interact with each other.
For example, gravity makes objects fall to the ground, and heavy
objects
behave as if they are glued to the floor.
The UK's Science and Technology Facilities Council (STFC) said the
result
"provides strong evidence for the existence of an undiscovered
sub-atomic
particle or new force".
But the results from the Muon g-2 experiment don't add up to a
conclusive
discovery yet.
There is currently a one in a 40,000 chance that the result could be a >>>> statistical fluke - equating to a statistical level of confidence
described as 4.1 sigma.
A level of 5 sigma, or a one in 3.5 million chance of the observation
being a coincidence, is needed to claim a discovery.
Prof Mark Lancaster, who is the UK lead for the experiment, told BBC
News:
"We have found the interaction of muons are not in agreement with the
Standard Model [the current widely-accepted theory to explain how the
building blocks of the Universe behave]."
The University of Manchester researcher added: "Clearly, this is very
exciting because it potentially points to a future with new laws of
physics, new particles and a new force which we have not seen to
date."
The finding is the latest in a string of promising results from
particle
physics experiments in the US, Japan, and most recently from the Large >>>> Hadron Collider on the Swiss-French border.
Prof Ben Allanach, from Cambridge University, who was not involved
with
the latest effort, said: "My Spidey sense is tingling and telling me
that
this is going to be real.
"I have been looking all my career for forces and particles beyond
what
we
know already, and this is it. This is the moment that I have been
waiting
for and I'm not getting a lot of sleep because I'm too excited."
The experiment, based at the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
(Fermilab) in Batavia, Illinois, searches for signs of new phenomena
in
physics by studying the behaviour of sub-atomic particles called
muons.
There are building blocks of our world that are even smaller than the
atom. Some of these sub-atomic particles are made up of even smaller
constituents, while others can't be broken down into anything else
(fundamental particles).
The muon is one of these fundamental particles; it's similar to the
electron, but more than 200 times heavier.
The Muon g-2 experiment involves sending the particles around a
14-metre
ring and then applying a magnetic field. Under the current laws of
physics, encoded in the Standard Model, this should make the muons
wobble
at a certain rate.
Instead, the scientists found that muons wobbled at a faster rate than >>>> expected. This might be caused by a force of nature that's completely
new
to science.
No one yet knows what this potential new force does, other than
influence
muon particles.
Theoretical physicists believe that it might also be associated with
an
as-yet undiscovered sub-atomic particle. There is more than one
concept
for what this hypothetical particle might be. One is called a
leptoquark,
another is the Z' boson (Z-prime boson).
Last month, physicists working at the LHCb experiment at the Large
Hadron
Collider described results that could point to a new particle and
force.
Dr Mitesh Patel, from Imperial College London, who was involved with
that
project, said: "The race is really on now to try and get one of these
experiments to really get the proof that this really is something new. >>>> That will take more data and more measurements and hopefully show
evidence
that these effects are real."
Prof Allanach has given the possible fifth force various names in his
theoretical models. Among them are the "flavour force", the "third
family
hyperforce" and - most prosaic of all - "B minus L2".
In addition to the more familiar forces of gravity and
electromagnetism
(which is responsible for electricity and magnetism), the strong and
weak
forces govern the behaviour of sub-atomic particles.
A fifth fundamental force might help explain some of the big puzzles
about
the Universe that have exercised scientists in recent decades.
For example, the observation that the expansion of the Universe was
speeding up was attributed to a mysterious phenomenon known as dark
energy. But some researchers have previously suggested it could be
evidence of a fifth force.
Dr Maggie Aderin-Pocock, co-presenter of the BBC's Sky at Night
programme,
told BBC News: "It is quite mind boggling. It has the potential to
turn
physics on its head. We have a number of mysteries that remain
unsolved.
And this could give us the key answers to solve these mysteries."
### - so much for dark matter then huh lol :)))
a 5th force in nature certainly makes way more sense than the
existence
some kind of (cough-cough) nebulous 'dark matter' anyway heh, and even >>>> this is, in all likelihood, not all of it either!
perhaps matie's 'spidey-sense' is yet another force in nature too then >>>> eh?
just not one ya could measure tho'
i mean, summat's gotta also account for 'dark' energy and 'dark' flow
as
well innit...
not to mention the other 95% of the universe?? (95 fuckin' percent!
which
is basically near enough ALL of it lol - that's how little we know!)
the piddly little 4 or 5% we've so far managed to get hold of being
naff-all by comparison to the whole! so we really have no right
whatsoever
to be arrogant!
is still interesting though to see just what they make of their new
discovery huh...
have always been interested in such things, just not to the point of
arrogance is all ;)
had been much different, the Universe would have been a sterile
wasteland.
It seems that the only reactions are either to embrace a multiverse
or a designer."
Tim Maudlin, New York University
### - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvIL3PeFIFA
"shit just happens"
haha ;)
Sez Slider, tapping on his keyboard, opening the fridge to take out
his pasteurized milk, in the house architecturally constructed, eating
food grown somewhere in a specialised farm with 21st century
techniques.
If "shit just happened" you wouldn't have access to all this - we
would either be extinct or so close to it we'd prefer extinction over grubbing in the dirt for worms to eat.
On Sat, 10 Apr 2021 02:04:39 +0100, o'Mahoney <libertidad@south.south.com> >wrote:
On Thu, 08 Apr 2021 12:54:12 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 08 Apr 2021 04:03:25 +0100, o'Mahoney
<libertidad@south.south.com>
wrote:
Pardon me for top posting, I didn't want to be rude enought to snip
the below.
Here's a better exposition of what they have found, including
necessary reference to the quantum foam and virtual particles...
https://news.umich.edu/u-m-physics-group-joins-in-announcement-of-stronger-evidence-of-new-physics-revealed-by-fermilabs-muon-g-2-experiment/
On Thu, 08 Apr 2021 00:36:57 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:
From sticking a magnet on a fridge door to throwing a ball into a"If the quark masses,or the basic forces, or the cosmological constant >>>> had been much different, the Universe would have been a sterile
basketball hoop, the forces of physics are at play in every moment of >>>>> our
lives.
All of the forces we experience every day can be reduced to just four >>>>> categories: gravity, electromagnetism, the strong force and the weak >>>>> force.
Now, physicists say they have found possible signs of a fifth
fundamental
force of nature.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/56643677
The findings come from research carried out at a laboratory near
Chicago.
The four fundamental forces govern how all the objects and particles >>>>> in
the Universe interact with each other.
For example, gravity makes objects fall to the ground, and heavy
objects
behave as if they are glued to the floor.
The UK's Science and Technology Facilities Council (STFC) said the
result
"provides strong evidence for the existence of an undiscovered
sub-atomic
particle or new force".
But the results from the Muon g-2 experiment don't add up to a
conclusive
discovery yet.
There is currently a one in a 40,000 chance that the result could be a >>>>> statistical fluke - equating to a statistical level of confidence
described as 4.1 sigma.
A level of 5 sigma, or a one in 3.5 million chance of the observation >>>>> being a coincidence, is needed to claim a discovery.
Prof Mark Lancaster, who is the UK lead for the experiment, told BBC >>>>> News:
"We have found the interaction of muons are not in agreement with the >>>>> Standard Model [the current widely-accepted theory to explain how the >>>>> building blocks of the Universe behave]."
The University of Manchester researcher added: "Clearly, this is very >>>>> exciting because it potentially points to a future with new laws of
physics, new particles and a new force which we have not seen to
date."
The finding is the latest in a string of promising results from
particle
physics experiments in the US, Japan, and most recently from the Large >>>>> Hadron Collider on the Swiss-French border.
Prof Ben Allanach, from Cambridge University, who was not involved
with
the latest effort, said: "My Spidey sense is tingling and telling me >>>>> that
this is going to be real.
"I have been looking all my career for forces and particles beyond
what
we
know already, and this is it. This is the moment that I have been
waiting
for and I'm not getting a lot of sleep because I'm too excited."
The experiment, based at the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
(Fermilab) in Batavia, Illinois, searches for signs of new phenomena >>>>> in
physics by studying the behaviour of sub-atomic particles called
muons.
There are building blocks of our world that are even smaller than the >>>>> atom. Some of these sub-atomic particles are made up of even smaller >>>>> constituents, while others can't be broken down into anything else
(fundamental particles).
The muon is one of these fundamental particles; it's similar to the
electron, but more than 200 times heavier.
The Muon g-2 experiment involves sending the particles around a
14-metre
ring and then applying a magnetic field. Under the current laws of
physics, encoded in the Standard Model, this should make the muons
wobble
at a certain rate.
Instead, the scientists found that muons wobbled at a faster rate than >>>>> expected. This might be caused by a force of nature that's completely >>>>> new
to science.
No one yet knows what this potential new force does, other than
influence
muon particles.
Theoretical physicists believe that it might also be associated with >>>>> an
as-yet undiscovered sub-atomic particle. There is more than one
concept
for what this hypothetical particle might be. One is called a
leptoquark,
another is the Z' boson (Z-prime boson).
Last month, physicists working at the LHCb experiment at the Large
Hadron
Collider described results that could point to a new particle and
force.
Dr Mitesh Patel, from Imperial College London, who was involved with >>>>> that
project, said: "The race is really on now to try and get one of these >>>>> experiments to really get the proof that this really is something new. >>>>> That will take more data and more measurements and hopefully show
evidence
that these effects are real."
Prof Allanach has given the possible fifth force various names in his >>>>> theoretical models. Among them are the "flavour force", the "third
family
hyperforce" and - most prosaic of all - "B minus L2".
In addition to the more familiar forces of gravity and
electromagnetism
(which is responsible for electricity and magnetism), the strong and >>>>> weak
forces govern the behaviour of sub-atomic particles.
A fifth fundamental force might help explain some of the big puzzles >>>>> about
the Universe that have exercised scientists in recent decades.
For example, the observation that the expansion of the Universe was
speeding up was attributed to a mysterious phenomenon known as dark
energy. But some researchers have previously suggested it could be
evidence of a fifth force.
Dr Maggie Aderin-Pocock, co-presenter of the BBC's Sky at Night
programme,
told BBC News: "It is quite mind boggling. It has the potential to
turn
physics on its head. We have a number of mysteries that remain
unsolved.
And this could give us the key answers to solve these mysteries."
### - so much for dark matter then huh lol :)))
a 5th force in nature certainly makes way more sense than the
existence
some kind of (cough-cough) nebulous 'dark matter' anyway heh, and even >>>>> this is, in all likelihood, not all of it either!
perhaps matie's 'spidey-sense' is yet another force in nature too then >>>>> eh?
just not one ya could measure tho'
i mean, summat's gotta also account for 'dark' energy and 'dark' flow >>>>> as
well innit...
not to mention the other 95% of the universe?? (95 fuckin' percent!
which
is basically near enough ALL of it lol - that's how little we know!) >>>>>
the piddly little 4 or 5% we've so far managed to get hold of being
naff-all by comparison to the whole! so we really have no right
whatsoever
to be arrogant!
is still interesting though to see just what they make of their new
discovery huh...
have always been interested in such things, just not to the point of >>>>> arrogance is all ;)
wasteland.
It seems that the only reactions are either to embrace a multiverse
or a designer."
Tim Maudlin, New York University
### - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvIL3PeFIFA
"shit just happens"
haha ;)
Sez Slider, tapping on his keyboard, opening the fridge to take out
his pasteurized milk, in the house architecturally constructed, eating
food grown somewhere in a specialised farm with 21st century
techniques.
If "shit just happened" you wouldn't have access to all this - we
would either be extinct or so close to it we'd prefer extinction over
grubbing in the dirt for worms to eat.
### - did you watch that clip? (from the movie 'Knowing')
that's the context i meant it in anyway: determinism versus randomness
On Sat, 10 Apr 2021 14:50:28 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 10 Apr 2021 02:04:39 +0100, o'Mahoney
<libertidad@south.south.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 08 Apr 2021 12:54:12 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 08 Apr 2021 04:03:25 +0100, o'Mahoney
<libertidad@south.south.com>
wrote:
Pardon me for top posting, I didn't want to be rude enought to snip
the below.
Here's a better exposition of what they have found, including
necessary reference to the quantum foam and virtual particles...
https://news.umich.edu/u-m-physics-group-joins-in-announcement-of-stronger-evidence-of-new-physics-revealed-by-fermilabs-muon-g-2-experiment/
On Thu, 08 Apr 2021 00:36:57 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:
From sticking a magnet on a fridge door to throwing a ball into a"If the quark masses,or the basic forces, or the cosmological
basketball hoop, the forces of physics are at play in every moment >>>>>> of
our
lives.
All of the forces we experience every day can be reduced to just
four
categories: gravity, electromagnetism, the strong force and the weak >>>>>> force.
Now, physicists say they have found possible signs of a fifth
fundamental
force of nature.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/56643677
The findings come from research carried out at a laboratory near
Chicago.
The four fundamental forces govern how all the objects and particles >>>>>> in
the Universe interact with each other.
For example, gravity makes objects fall to the ground, and heavy
objects
behave as if they are glued to the floor.
The UK's Science and Technology Facilities Council (STFC) said the >>>>>> result
"provides strong evidence for the existence of an undiscovered
sub-atomic
particle or new force".
But the results from the Muon g-2 experiment don't add up to a
conclusive
discovery yet.
There is currently a one in a 40,000 chance that the result could
be a
statistical fluke - equating to a statistical level of confidence
described as 4.1 sigma.
A level of 5 sigma, or a one in 3.5 million chance of the
observation
being a coincidence, is needed to claim a discovery.
Prof Mark Lancaster, who is the UK lead for the experiment, told BBC >>>>>> News:
"We have found the interaction of muons are not in agreement with
the
Standard Model [the current widely-accepted theory to explain how
the
building blocks of the Universe behave]."
The University of Manchester researcher added: "Clearly, this is
very
exciting because it potentially points to a future with new laws of >>>>>> physics, new particles and a new force which we have not seen to
date."
The finding is the latest in a string of promising results from
particle
physics experiments in the US, Japan, and most recently from the
Large
Hadron Collider on the Swiss-French border.
Prof Ben Allanach, from Cambridge University, who was not involved >>>>>> with
the latest effort, said: "My Spidey sense is tingling and telling me >>>>>> that
this is going to be real.
"I have been looking all my career for forces and particles beyond >>>>>> what
we
know already, and this is it. This is the moment that I have been
waiting
for and I'm not getting a lot of sleep because I'm too excited."
The experiment, based at the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory >>>>>> (Fermilab) in Batavia, Illinois, searches for signs of new phenomena >>>>>> in
physics by studying the behaviour of sub-atomic particles called
muons.
There are building blocks of our world that are even smaller than
the
atom. Some of these sub-atomic particles are made up of even smaller >>>>>> constituents, while others can't be broken down into anything else >>>>>> (fundamental particles).
The muon is one of these fundamental particles; it's similar to the >>>>>> electron, but more than 200 times heavier.
The Muon g-2 experiment involves sending the particles around a
14-metre
ring and then applying a magnetic field. Under the current laws of >>>>>> physics, encoded in the Standard Model, this should make the muons >>>>>> wobble
at a certain rate.
Instead, the scientists found that muons wobbled at a faster rate
than
expected. This might be caused by a force of nature that's
completely
new
to science.
No one yet knows what this potential new force does, other than
influence
muon particles.
Theoretical physicists believe that it might also be associated with >>>>>> an
as-yet undiscovered sub-atomic particle. There is more than one
concept
for what this hypothetical particle might be. One is called a
leptoquark,
another is the Z' boson (Z-prime boson).
Last month, physicists working at the LHCb experiment at the Large >>>>>> Hadron
Collider described results that could point to a new particle and
force.
Dr Mitesh Patel, from Imperial College London, who was involved with >>>>>> that
project, said: "The race is really on now to try and get one of
these
experiments to really get the proof that this really is something
new.
That will take more data and more measurements and hopefully show
evidence
that these effects are real."
Prof Allanach has given the possible fifth force various names in
his
theoretical models. Among them are the "flavour force", the "third >>>>>> family
hyperforce" and - most prosaic of all - "B minus L2".
In addition to the more familiar forces of gravity and
electromagnetism
(which is responsible for electricity and magnetism), the strong and >>>>>> weak
forces govern the behaviour of sub-atomic particles.
A fifth fundamental force might help explain some of the big puzzles >>>>>> about
the Universe that have exercised scientists in recent decades.
For example, the observation that the expansion of the Universe was >>>>>> speeding up was attributed to a mysterious phenomenon known as dark >>>>>> energy. But some researchers have previously suggested it could be >>>>>> evidence of a fifth force.
Dr Maggie Aderin-Pocock, co-presenter of the BBC's Sky at Night
programme,
told BBC News: "It is quite mind boggling. It has the potential to >>>>>> turn
physics on its head. We have a number of mysteries that remain
unsolved.
And this could give us the key answers to solve these mysteries."
### - so much for dark matter then huh lol :)))
a 5th force in nature certainly makes way more sense than the
existence
some kind of (cough-cough) nebulous 'dark matter' anyway heh, and
even
this is, in all likelihood, not all of it either!
perhaps matie's 'spidey-sense' is yet another force in nature too
then
eh?
just not one ya could measure tho'
i mean, summat's gotta also account for 'dark' energy and 'dark'
flow
as
well innit...
not to mention the other 95% of the universe?? (95 fuckin' percent! >>>>>> which
is basically near enough ALL of it lol - that's how little we know!) >>>>>>
the piddly little 4 or 5% we've so far managed to get hold of being >>>>>> naff-all by comparison to the whole! so we really have no right
whatsoever
to be arrogant!
is still interesting though to see just what they make of their new >>>>>> discovery huh...
have always been interested in such things, just not to the point of >>>>>> arrogance is all ;)
constant
had been much different, the Universe would have been a sterile
wasteland.
It seems that the only reactions are either to embrace a multiverse
or a designer."
Tim Maudlin, New York University
### - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvIL3PeFIFA
"shit just happens"
haha ;)
Sez Slider, tapping on his keyboard, opening the fridge to take out
his pasteurized milk, in the house architecturally constructed, eating
food grown somewhere in a specialised farm with 21st century
techniques.
If "shit just happened" you wouldn't have access to all this - we
would either be extinct or so close to it we'd prefer extinction over
grubbing in the dirt for worms to eat.
### - did you watch that clip? (from the movie 'Knowing')
that's the context i meant it in anyway: determinism versus randomness
I've watched Knowing several times because I watch anything with Nik
Cage in it. He is a force of nature. The cataclysimic events in
Knowing were very well done. Good movie actually.
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