• US preparing for North Korea's 'final step'

    From slider@1:229/2 to All on Friday, October 20, 2017 02:01:51
    From: slider@nanashram.com

    Washington (CNN)CIA Director Mike Pompeo said the United States has to act
    as if North Korea is on the verge of being able to strike it with a
    missile and act accordingly -- and that President Donald Trump is ready to
    do so.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/19/politics/north-korea-officials-mash-up/index.html

    "From a US policy perspective, we ought to behave as if we are on the cusp
    of them achieving that objective," Pompeo said Thursday at a security
    forum held by the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. "They are so far
    along in that, it's now a matter of thinking about how do you stop the
    final step."

    "Whether it happens on Tuesday or a month from Tuesday, we're in a time
    where the President has concluded that we have a global effort to ensure
    that [North Korean leader] Kim Jong Un does not obtain that capacity,"
    Pompeo continued.

    Pompeo is among a number of former officials who have been signaling the increased possibility of a slide into military confrontation with North
    Korea over its refusal to back down from its nuclear program.

    The CIA chief spoke at the forum shortly before national security adviser
    H.R. McMaster, who also said the President wasn't prepared to accept a
    nuclear Pyongyang.

    The Trump administration comments came a day after former CIA Director
    John Brennan put the chances of military conflict with North Korea as high
    as 20% to 25%.

    The isolated Asian nation conducted its sixth and most powerful nuclear
    test in September, claiming it had detonated a miniaturized hydrogen bomb
    that could be mounted on a missile. It's also been steadily working on its missile capabilities, firing 22 missiles during 15 tests from February to mid-September.

    Even as other countries have urged caution, dialogue and reciprocal confidence-building measures, Trump has belittled the North Korean leader
    as "rocket man," dismissed Secretary of State Rex Tillerson's efforts to
    broker a diplomatic solution, and hinted that he is ready to take military action.

    Asked at Thursday's event about the threat posed by North Korea, McMaster
    said that Trump will not accept a nuclear North Korea that threatens the
    US, putting the administration in a "race" to resolve the increasingly
    tense standoff before it devolves into a military confrontation.

    "He's not going to accept this regime threatening the United States with nuclear weapons," McMaster said. "There are those who would say, well, why
    not accept and deter. Well, accept and deter is unacceptable."

    "So this puts us in a situation where we are in a race to resolve this
    short of military action," McMaster said. "Everybody knows it. We all know
    it. ... Our allies and partners know it. China knows it. Russia knows it."

    Brennan, speaking Wednesday night at Fordham University School of Law,
    stressed that, "there really is no good military solution to this issue."

    "The prospects for military conflict on the Korean Peninsula are greater
    than they have been in several decades," he said. "I don't think it's
    likely or probable, but if it's a one in four, one in five chance, that's
    too high." Asked if that's the rating he'd give for the chances of
    conflict, he said, "Yeah, I guess I would."

    Brennan sketched out a scenario in which, "some kind of limited military engagement that would result in some deaths, that could then quickly
    trigger some retaliatory strikes that could escalate." On top of that "conventional scenario of escalation," he reminded the crowd that North
    Korea has finely honed cyber capabilities.

    "So I think we have to be mindful here that there are a number of
    scenarios here that could lead to an escalation that we really need to be trying to avoid," Brennan said. Trump isn't helping on that score, he said.

    "You have two leaders of the two major protagonist countries that are
    hurling these broadsides back and forth, and they have a lot of personal political face involved in it," he said.

    "I don't agree that the tack that Mr. Trump has taken is a constructive
    and productive one," Brennan said, calling the references to "Rocket Man"
    and other insults "irresponsible."

    McMaster praised Trump's handling of the crisis, saying that the
    President's leadership had created the possibility of an "unprecedented
    level of international cooperation on the issue."

    He also praised Tillerson's efforts to increase international pressure on
    North Korea, which has moved some countries to cut diplomatic relations
    with Pyongyang, expel its ambassadors and in some cases, ban North Korean
    guest workers. North Korea, meanwhile, has said it won't be willing to
    talk to the US until it ensures it has missile and nuclear capabilities.

    ### - quote:

    "He's not going to accept this regime threatening the United States with nuclear weapons," McMaster said. "There are those who would say, well, why
    not accept and deter. Well, accept and deter is unacceptable."

    ***

    there ya have it: "unacceptable..." + there is a 'global effort'
    in-progress...

    so then: either starve him out or take him out?

    either way, can't really see this ending too well thang...

    (my money's on them taking him out 'before' he does any real damage...)

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  • From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to All on Friday, October 20, 2017 10:16:33
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    I'm gonna top post on this bullshit rant of yours Brian. You can chop
    and change your post below, I don't care.

    You are the original black-and-white man. No imagination, not a lot
    of nouse, less even reasoning power or abilities.

    You think there is only a binary option here? Nuke 'em, or don't nuke
    em? Thank Christ you aren't near Trump's football.

    Here an article today about DPRK **reaching out** most probably
    because the embargo is having a lot of effect.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11935096

    "The screed appears to be a heavy-handed plea to various parliaments
    to pull out of the harsh United Nations Security Council sanctions
    levelled against North Korea over its weapons program. The sanctions
    have struck a significant blow to the nation's economy, with one
    former high-ranking North Korea official saying this week that the
    country "will not survive a year" under them"

    And:

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/julie-bishop-reveals-unprecedented-letter-from-north-korea-says-pressure-is-working-20171019-gz485l.html

    ""This is the first letter that we can find that any Australian
    foreign minister has received from North Korea...it's an open letter,
    this is not how they usually send messages around the world," she
    said."

    "Lowy Institute director of International Security Euan Graham said it
    was reasonable to assume that, with the letter, "they are trying to
    pick off allies, that's why Australia would be on the list" of
    parliaments that had received the letter.

    "This is effectively an invitation to have high level access, to send
    an [Australian] delegation from Seoul," he said.

    "Now would be a good time for Australia to exercise its still
    existing, even if on-off, diplomatic relations with the North."


    See, Slider, there are many options available, not just the war you're
    drooling over you slavering war mongering depressive fool :)












    On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 02:01:51 +0100, slider <slider@nanashram.com>
    wrote:

    Washington (CNN)CIA Director Mike Pompeo said the United States has to act
    as if North Korea is on the verge of being able to strike it with a
    missile and act accordingly -- and that President Donald Trump is ready to
    do so.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/19/politics/north-korea-officials-mash-up/index.html

    "From a US policy perspective, we ought to behave as if we are on the cusp
    of them achieving that objective," Pompeo said Thursday at a security
    forum held by the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. "They are so far >along in that, it's now a matter of thinking about how do you stop the
    final step."

    "Whether it happens on Tuesday or a month from Tuesday, we're in a time
    where the President has concluded that we have a global effort to ensure
    that [North Korean leader] Kim Jong Un does not obtain that capacity,"
    Pompeo continued.

    Pompeo is among a number of former officials who have been signaling the >increased possibility of a slide into military confrontation with North
    Korea over its refusal to back down from its nuclear program.

    The CIA chief spoke at the forum shortly before national security adviser >H.R. McMaster, who also said the President wasn't prepared to accept a >nuclear Pyongyang.

    The Trump administration comments came a day after former CIA Director
    John Brennan put the chances of military conflict with North Korea as high
    as 20% to 25%.

    The isolated Asian nation conducted its sixth and most powerful nuclear
    test in September, claiming it had detonated a miniaturized hydrogen bomb >that could be mounted on a missile. It's also been steadily working on its >missile capabilities, firing 22 missiles during 15 tests from February to >mid-September.

    Even as other countries have urged caution, dialogue and reciprocal >confidence-building measures, Trump has belittled the North Korean leader
    as "rocket man," dismissed Secretary of State Rex Tillerson's efforts to >broker a diplomatic solution, and hinted that he is ready to take military >action.

    Asked at Thursday's event about the threat posed by North Korea, McMaster >said that Trump will not accept a nuclear North Korea that threatens the
    US, putting the administration in a "race" to resolve the increasingly
    tense standoff before it devolves into a military confrontation.

    "He's not going to accept this regime threatening the United States with >nuclear weapons," McMaster said. "There are those who would say, well, why >not accept and deter. Well, accept and deter is unacceptable."

    "So this puts us in a situation where we are in a race to resolve this
    short of military action," McMaster said. "Everybody knows it. We all know >it. ... Our allies and partners know it. China knows it. Russia knows it."

    Brennan, speaking Wednesday night at Fordham University School of Law, >stressed that, "there really is no good military solution to this issue."

    "The prospects for military conflict on the Korean Peninsula are greater
    than they have been in several decades," he said. "I don't think it's
    likely or probable, but if it's a one in four, one in five chance, that's
    too high." Asked if that's the rating he'd give for the chances of
    conflict, he said, "Yeah, I guess I would."

    Brennan sketched out a scenario in which, "some kind of limited military >engagement that would result in some deaths, that could then quickly
    trigger some retaliatory strikes that could escalate." On top of that >"conventional scenario of escalation," he reminded the crowd that North
    Korea has finely honed cyber capabilities.

    "So I think we have to be mindful here that there are a number of
    scenarios here that could lead to an escalation that we really need to be >trying to avoid," Brennan said. Trump isn't helping on that score, he said.

    "You have two leaders of the two major protagonist countries that are
    hurling these broadsides back and forth, and they have a lot of personal >political face involved in it," he said.

    "I don't agree that the tack that Mr. Trump has taken is a constructive
    and productive one," Brennan said, calling the references to "Rocket Man"
    and other insults "irresponsible."

    McMaster praised Trump's handling of the crisis, saying that the
    President's leadership had created the possibility of an "unprecedented
    level of international cooperation on the issue."

    He also praised Tillerson's efforts to increase international pressure on >North Korea, which has moved some countries to cut diplomatic relations
    with Pyongyang, expel its ambassadors and in some cases, ban North Korean >guest workers. North Korea, meanwhile, has said it won't be willing to
    talk to the US until it ensures it has missile and nuclear capabilities.

    ### - quote:

    "He's not going to accept this regime threatening the United States with >nuclear weapons," McMaster said. "There are those who would say, well, why >not accept and deter. Well, accept and deter is unacceptable."

    ***

    there ya have it: "unacceptable..." + there is a 'global effort' >in-progress...

    so then: either starve him out or take him out?

    either way, can't really see this ending too well thang...

    (my money's on them taking him out 'before' he does any real damage...)
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  • From slider@1:229/2 to thangolossus@gmail.com on Friday, October 20, 2017 12:36:28
    From: slider@nanashram.com

    ### - what i actually SAID was: STARVE 'em out (obviously via sanctions/embargoes whatever...) or TAKE 'em out! (i.e., via some kinda military solution...)

    either way, it's not gonna be good for NK!

    how you could misinterpret such a 'simple' choice is beyond me hah...

    oh, you're doing it... deliberately!

    immature much? :)





    On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 03:16:33 +0100, thang ornerythinchus <thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:

    I'm gonna top post on this bullshit rant of yours Brian. You can chop
    and change your post below, I don't care.

    You are the original black-and-white man. No imagination, not a lot
    of nouse, less even reasoning power or abilities.

    You think there is only a binary option here? Nuke 'em, or don't nuke
    em? Thank Christ you aren't near Trump's football.

    Here an article today about DPRK **reaching out** most probably
    because the embargo is having a lot of effect.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11935096

    "The screed appears to be a heavy-handed plea to various parliaments
    to pull out of the harsh United Nations Security Council sanctions
    levelled against North Korea over its weapons program. The sanctions
    have struck a significant blow to the nation's economy, with one
    former high-ranking North Korea official saying this week that the
    country "will not survive a year" under them"

    And:

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/julie-bishop-reveals-unprecedented-letter-from-north-korea-says-pressure-is-working-20171019-gz485l.html

    ""This is the first letter that we can find that any Australian
    foreign minister has received from North Korea...it's an open letter,
    this is not how they usually send messages around the world," she
    said."

    "Lowy Institute director of International Security Euan Graham said it
    was reasonable to assume that, with the letter, "they are trying to
    pick off allies, that's why Australia would be on the list" of
    parliaments that had received the letter.

    "This is effectively an invitation to have high level access, to send
    an [Australian] delegation from Seoul," he said.

    "Now would be a good time for Australia to exercise its still
    existing, even if on-off, diplomatic relations with the North."


    See, Slider, there are many options available, not just the war you're drooling over you slavering war mongering depressive fool :)












    On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 02:01:51 +0100, slider <slider@nanashram.com>
    wrote:

    Washington (CNN)CIA Director Mike Pompeo said the United States has to
    act
    as if North Korea is on the verge of being able to strike it with a
    missile and act accordingly -- and that President Donald Trump is ready
    to
    do so.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/19/politics/north-korea-officials-mash-up/index.html

    "From a US policy perspective, we ought to behave as if we are on the
    cusp
    of them achieving that objective," Pompeo said Thursday at a security
    forum held by the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. "They are so
    far
    along in that, it's now a matter of thinking about how do you stop the
    final step."

    "Whether it happens on Tuesday or a month from Tuesday, we're in a time
    where the President has concluded that we have a global effort to ensure
    that [North Korean leader] Kim Jong Un does not obtain that capacity,"
    Pompeo continued.

    Pompeo is among a number of former officials who have been signaling the
    increased possibility of a slide into military confrontation with North
    Korea over its refusal to back down from its nuclear program.

    The CIA chief spoke at the forum shortly before national security
    adviser
    H.R. McMaster, who also said the President wasn't prepared to accept a
    nuclear Pyongyang.

    The Trump administration comments came a day after former CIA Director
    John Brennan put the chances of military conflict with North Korea as
    high
    as 20% to 25%.

    The isolated Asian nation conducted its sixth and most powerful nuclear
    test in September, claiming it had detonated a miniaturized hydrogen
    bomb
    that could be mounted on a missile. It's also been steadily working on
    its
    missile capabilities, firing 22 missiles during 15 tests from February
    to
    mid-September.

    Even as other countries have urged caution, dialogue and reciprocal
    confidence-building measures, Trump has belittled the North Korean
    leader
    as "rocket man," dismissed Secretary of State Rex Tillerson's efforts to
    broker a diplomatic solution, and hinted that he is ready to take
    military
    action.

    Asked at Thursday's event about the threat posed by North Korea,
    McMaster
    said that Trump will not accept a nuclear North Korea that threatens the
    US, putting the administration in a "race" to resolve the increasingly
    tense standoff before it devolves into a military confrontation.

    "He's not going to accept this regime threatening the United States with
    nuclear weapons," McMaster said. "There are those who would say, well,
    why
    not accept and deter. Well, accept and deter is unacceptable."

    "So this puts us in a situation where we are in a race to resolve this
    short of military action," McMaster said. "Everybody knows it. We all
    know
    it. ... Our allies and partners know it. China knows it. Russia knows
    it."

    Brennan, speaking Wednesday night at Fordham University School of Law,
    stressed that, "there really is no good military solution to this
    issue."

    "The prospects for military conflict on the Korean Peninsula are greater
    than they have been in several decades," he said. "I don't think it's
    likely or probable, but if it's a one in four, one in five chance,
    that's
    too high." Asked if that's the rating he'd give for the chances of
    conflict, he said, "Yeah, I guess I would."

    Brennan sketched out a scenario in which, "some kind of limited military
    engagement that would result in some deaths, that could then quickly
    trigger some retaliatory strikes that could escalate." On top of that
    "conventional scenario of escalation," he reminded the crowd that North
    Korea has finely honed cyber capabilities.

    "So I think we have to be mindful here that there are a number of
    scenarios here that could lead to an escalation that we really need to
    be
    trying to avoid," Brennan said. Trump isn't helping on that score, he
    said.

    "You have two leaders of the two major protagonist countries that are
    hurling these broadsides back and forth, and they have a lot of personal
    political face involved in it," he said.

    "I don't agree that the tack that Mr. Trump has taken is a constructive
    and productive one," Brennan said, calling the references to "Rocket
    Man"
    and other insults "irresponsible."

    McMaster praised Trump's handling of the crisis, saying that the
    President's leadership had created the possibility of an "unprecedented
    level of international cooperation on the issue."

    He also praised Tillerson's efforts to increase international pressure
    on
    North Korea, which has moved some countries to cut diplomatic relations
    with Pyongyang, expel its ambassadors and in some cases, ban North
    Korean
    guest workers. North Korea, meanwhile, has said it won't be willing to
    talk to the US until it ensures it has missile and nuclear capabilities.

    ### - quote:

    "He's not going to accept this regime threatening the United States with
    nuclear weapons," McMaster said. "There are those who would say, well,
    why
    not accept and deter. Well, accept and deter is unacceptable."

    ***

    there ya have it: "unacceptable..." + there is a 'global effort'
    in-progress...

    so then: either starve him out or take him out?

    either way, can't really see this ending too well thang...

    (my money's on them taking him out 'before' he does any real damage...)
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